Atheists celebrating Christmas?

[HardLuckKid01]

Well, I got into an argument with a coworker today, and long story short, he thinks there's nothing wrong with being atheist and celebrating Christmas. I, on the other hand, find it extremely hypocritical since they're celebrating something they dont believe in.

So I say to myself later, "Hey, there are plenty of atheists on this forum, or at least little kids rebelling against their parents by saying they dont believe in God just to skip out of church, what would they say?"

So, what do you think about the issue?

[redstrobelight]

I dont really think holidays have the same values as before now christmas is just a way to be with family and get gifts so you dont have to buy stuff for yourself and not the old way it was.

[Bastard Fish]

Christmas is becoming more of a non religious holiday than ever before. I'm not saying it lost all religious values, but I agree with redstrobelight, it's mostly becoming to just to bring the family together. If I saw someone celebrating christmas when they are athiest, I wouldn't give a fuck because it isn't my life to live, it's theirs.

[Lachrymose]

Well, since Christmas is so commericalized anyway, I celebrate it as a gift-giving, family-get-together holiday...thing.

I'm agnostic...

[sk0rch]

A lot of non christian families celebrate christmas, including mine, mostly cause their kids nag them for gifts. So I don't see how this is any different, just because they don't believe in no God.

[HardLuckKid01]

yeah, I get your point, but my coworker is one of those "God doesnt exist, retard!" kinda atheists, and he still celebrates Christmas. I mean, Christ is in the name of the god damned holiday. It just struck me as absurd.

[Bastard Fish]

I guess if he is an extreme athiest then it would be a little bizarre. Perhaps he is lonely and he buys himself presents to put under his tree in the corner of his kitchen.

[redstrobelight]

Christ is in my name and I don't belive in god AND I celebrate christmas along with all them other holidays I just view them how I want.

[HardLuckKid01]

Christ is in my name and I don't belive in god AND I celebrate christmas along with all them other holidays I just view them how I want.

...you just want the presents, you selfish bastard.

[redstrobelight]

Sooo.... I'm sure you want them to. Who wants to wake up to an empty house on Christmas knowing the general population is celebrating with their family. Besides I see my family a lot but i enjoy seeing them on holidays too.

[HardLuckKid01]

Sooo.... I'm sure you want them to. Who wants to wake up to an empty house on Christmas knowing the general population is celebrating with their family. Besides I see my family a lot but i enjoy seeing them on holidays too.

Actually, I hate presents.

And as long as you're not an exteme atheist who then goes to church before Christmas, I dont see that much of a problem with it, as Christmas has been commercialized so damn much.

[1iNcHWoNDeR]

I think they should be able to celebrate it.

[redstrobelight]

actually I am not truely an athiest because I belive in religion just not organized religion we have now. I've only been in church 2 times for stuff other then weddings and I can say I will not go again its against what I belive. As for you hating presents thats bull and besides for you people to feel better its the season of GIVING.

[LeFromage]

1000 years from now it will be pronounced X-Mas anyway...

And don' go aksin' me how I know that...

[redstrobelight]

1000 years from now it will be pronounced X-Mas anyway...

And don' go aksin' me how I know that...

Can you predict what Halloween will be called in 1000 years too?

[LeFromage]

Can you predict what Halloween will be called in 1000 years too?

I dunno, I can't remember that episode...:motz_6:

[mr.wow]

Can you predict what Halloween will be called in 1000 years too?
ween ten characters

[Ulic]

While it doesnt matter to me...I do think it's pretty hypicritical, mainly because most athiests I've ment are pretty strong in their beliefs, to the point of removing an reference of God from there lives...to the point that even a Holiday that has had its religious meaning removed would not be celebrated because its true meaning is that of a belief in God.

[Spank666]

Well, you really have to consider current traditions. At this day and age, the traditions behind Christmas are hardly even religious, they are more commercial. Companies use the name "Christmas" to advertise products and get sales, while buyers buy gifts for others merely because that is what they are used to doing. The religious values in Christmas still exist, but barely.

Summary: yes.

[Sparky_07]

Well, since Christmas is so commericalized anyway, I celebrate it as a gift-giving, family-get-together holiday...thing.

I'm agnostic...
That is pretty much me in a nutshell.

[HardLuckKid01]

As for you hating presents thats bull and besides for you people to feel better its the season of GIVING.

You fool. Who hates presents? Dont take my words too seriously, your head will explode.

[Sparky_07]

You fool. Who hates presents? Dont take my words too seriously, your head will explode.
sidenote: I noticed Dennis Leary got in the People's sexiest man alive list this year. :)

[redstrobelight]

to late my head exploded lucky someones ego so large from my siblings room contained the explosion to a minimum

[Tool_Fan]

I think this is a topic where you just say "Why not?"

[HardLuckKid01]

sidenote: I noticed Dennis Leary got in the People's sexiest man alive list this year. :)

You asshole, I actually looked it up.

Although there's always 2006... :rolleyes:

[Sparky_07]

You asshole, I actually looked it up.

Although there's always 2006... :rolleyes:
No, he really was in the list of the sexiest men of the year.

http://people.aol.com/people/galleries/0,19884,1113899_1129983_12,00.html

[HardLuckKid01]

Hey, until we get Number 1, this is meaningless. Viggo Mortonson has nothing on




<---this sexy beast.

[BigS]

I'm an athiest, and I celebrate Christmas. I don't see it as religious at all in my family. Just a time to get together, and spend time with each other. We exchange gifts as well. I've thought about the fact that some see it as being hypicritical...but I don't see it that way. I don't celebrate this holiday out of my religious beliefs, like I said, it's a time of family, and giving.

[JetsterDajet]

to late my head exploded lucky someones ego so large from my siblings room contained the explosion to a minimum

Yeah, punctuation rocks...

Anyway, Halloween will be called Satanday 1,000 years from now.

[blank_109]

I believe in a "Higher Power" and I do believe in a man called Jesus. Yet, I'm not a christian but i'm a skeptic of Christianity.

A true atheitst should not even call it Christmas. Do atheists have any holidays to celebrate? No-they just cling on to everyone elses to take advantage of the days off from work. hahaha.

[LegendaryU2K]

The fact is, Christmas has nothing to do with the bible and Jesus christ wasnt born on the 25th, and santa aint real. So either way, i'm all for a non believer to celebrate whatever the hell he or she wants to do.

I'm a believer of GOD and Christ, and i dont celebrate anything, so that should tell you something right there.

[Wu-tang]

"Hey, there are plenty of atheists on this forum, or at least little kids rebelling against their parents by saying they dont believe in God just to skip out of church, what would they say?"

That was probally the best way I've ever heard some one put it.

It IS extremely hypocritical. Atheists on this board specifically always bash other religions and then they celebrate a holiday that was made by the people who they are bashing. I don't mind it, but if you're going to celebrate it I don't really want to hear you bashing religions.

[blank_109]

That was probally the best way I've ever heard some one put it.

It IS extremely hypocritical. Atheists on this board specifically always bash other religions and then they celebrate a holiday that was made by the people who they are bashing. I don't mind it, but if you're going to celebrate it I don't really want to hear you bashing religions.
Atheists are wrong when it comes to respecting people's religion in this forum. Thanks for putting that into context.:D

[rayfightspigs]

christmas hasnt had anything to do with the birth of christ since the birth of christ. and jesus's birthday wasnt really on the 25th of december cause jews didnt have december back then.. i think there calender only went to october

[Emperer]

Why the hell shouldn't they celebrate it? You don't think atheists believe in the sun? :rolleyes:

[Spank666]

It IS extremely hypocritical. Atheists on this board specifically always bash other religions and then they celebrate a holiday that was made by the people who they are bashing. I don't mind it, but if you're going to celebrate it I don't really want to hear you bashing religions.

Some atheists bash other religions, so it makes celebrating Christmas hypocritical for ALL atheists? I think not. Dont make generalizations, they are almost always wrong.

[Sketcher]

Just a thought, but maybe it's because of the huge crowd of aethiests celebrating Christmas that resulted in it becomming commercialized in the first place.

Some atheists bash other religions, so it makes celebrating Christmas hypocritical for ALL atheists? I think not. Dont make generalizations, they are almost always wrong.
It's hypocritical because they do not believe in God, yet they celebrate the birth of Christ.

[whocares]

And why is celebrating that hypocritical? They believe someone named Christ lived on those times. They just don't believe Christ was the son of god.

There, I solved one more question in here. That shows that I know everything and hence I'm god.

LOLZ! :D

[Emperer]

Just a thought, but maybe it's because of the huge crowd of aethiests celebrating Christmas that resulted in it becomming commercialized in the first place.


It's hypocritical because they do not believe in God, yet they celebrate the birth of Christ.
Christmas isn't about celebrating the birth of christ last time I checked :rolleyes:

[deballedtomcat]

someone posted (soryy,I disremember who now,and I'm too lazy to flip back to page one),but anyways they posted this gem

I mean, Christ is in the name of the god damned holiday.
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I find it quite ironic to say CHRIST is the name of the GOD DAMNED holiday,but I also agree with that poster.the name of the Holiday is CHRISTmas,not X-mas,and surely not some made up "holiday" like Kwaanza.

As for athiests and non Christians celebrating Christmas,to put it simple,they are not celebrating Christmas per se as much as they are celebrating the holiday season,and the distinction should be made:are you celebrating the birth of Christ,the holiday tradition of charity and gift giving and family get togethers,or both?? Because there is a difference between the 2. And for my opinion,athiest or anybody else,there is nothing wrong with the latter choice.One doesn't have to be Christian to celebrate the holiday season.

Having said that,I personally celebrate Christmas in BOTH ways.

[Emperer]

So.. Only because it has christ in it's name automatically makes it a celebration of jesus' birth? Right... :rolleyes: By that logic, a fishing boat is a fish :rolleyes:
And besides, that's only the english name for it, they still call it Jul many places in Europe.

[whocares]

Christians do not believe in Santa Claus. Yet, they celebrate it.

Fucking hypocrites.

[a_brainless_guy]

1000 years from now it will be pronounced X-Mas anyway...

And don' go aksin' me how I know that...

Futurama? Y'all knew that anyways but I thought i'd point it out to be smart.

I was having a similar argument the other day, I don't beleve in Jesus so why the hell would I celebrate his birthday?

[Kommercial]

The problem is that most Atheists are Atheists, until Christmas. Then, all the sudden they believe that Jesus was the Son of God.

It's not about getting together with your family, it's the fact you're recieving a present, although you don't believe in the holiday meaning, at all.

Now, that's hypocrisy at best.

Well, you really have to consider current traditions. At this day and age, the traditions behind Christmas are hardly even religious, they are more commercial. Companies use the name "Christmas" to advertise products and get sales, while buyers buy gifts for others merely because that is what they are used to doing. The religious values in Christmas still exist, but barely.

Summary: yes.

They use "Holiday", because most people would sue for using the term "Christmas". It's fine if you celebrate your own holiday, but celebrating a Christian holiday, and saying you're not a Christian, is just ridiculous.

[ThaiTanium22]

Does anyone celebrate Christmas religiously anymore? I bet that if you do a survey of children aged below ten the majority will say Christmas is about giving gifts.

[Kommercial]

Does anyone celebrate Christmas religiously anymore? I bet that if you do a survey of children aged below ten the majority will say Christmas is about giving gifts.

What child doesn't think about a gift? For God sakes, use better judgement. If you ask them what Christmas is, I'm sure they'll tell you it's about the birth of Jesus, but they're also going to say "About getting a present," because they're kids.

Your posts just get worse by the day. First it's in CE, now it's here. :banghead:

My family still celebrates Christmas religiously. Infact, my mother will write "From: Jesus", instead of "From: Santa", just to keep the true meaning of Christmas in Christmas.

[ThaiTanium22]

What child doesn't think about a gift? For God sakes, use better judgement. If you ask them what Christmas is, I'm sure they'll tell you it's about the birth of Jesus, but they're also going to say "About getting a present," because they're kids.

Your posts just get worse by the day. First it's in CE, now it's here. :banghead:
You just don't want to understand anything do you? I'm sure God wanted Christmas sales and everyone rushing to buy new things for their family. I'm not saying no one celebrates Christmas religiously, but it's become sort of a Valentine's Day kind of thing.

[Spank666]

It's fine if you celebrate your own holiday, but celebrating a Christian holiday, and saying you're not a Christian, is just ridiculous.

What if Atheists give gifts on the 25th of December for no apparent reason and decide to call it Christmas? Maybe the Christians saw us doing it first and copied off of us. They just made up this whole "Jesus is the son of God" deal to make it look like it's their hoiday, when in all reality, it is an Atheist holiday.

I might be on to something here....

[godwhyme?]

First thing I hate Emperer's posts. :rolleyes:

Now to the topic I don't see anything wrong with atheists celebrating the holiday season. I do see a problem with them celebrating Christmas. Jesus wasn't born in December. Christmas used to be a pagan holiday. They overlapped the celebration of Jesus' birthday with a previous pagan holiday to make conversion easier. I believe it was originally a sun god holiday. Now if the atheist is celebrating the birth of Christ that would be hypocritical. I mean my father is Jehovah's Witness and he'll come over for Christmas dinner. It's just a dinner to him and a chance to get with the family.

[droogsteve]

The problem is that most Atheists are Atheists, until Christmas. Then, all the sudden they believe that Jesus was the Son of God.

First of all, that's completely untrue. I defy you to find an atheist that all of a sudden believes that Jesus is the son of God just to celebrate Christmas.


It's not about getting together with your family, it's the fact you're recieving a present, although you don't believe in the holiday meaning, at all.

Now, that's hypocrisy at best.

It is no more hypocritical than a Christian going trick or treating. Just as Christians don't celebrate the undeniably Pagan aspects of Halloween and just enjoy the costumes and candy, non Christians enjoy giving presents and drinking egg nog. It doesn't mean that they swear to worship Christ anymore than going to a Halloween party makes you embrace Paganism.

And speaking of Pagans, Christmas was originally a Pagan holiday. Yep, December 25 was the first day of the Feast of Saturn. Romans took off from work, feasted, drank, and exchanged gifts. Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate Jesus's birthday. The Christian Roman emperor Constantine declared December 25 to be Christmas because it was already a Pagan holiday. It was an attempt to covert the Pagan masses by making the day of Christ's birth a day that they were already used to celebrating. It was a brilliant idea and was quite successful, but make no mistake, YOU PEOPLE stole the holiday, not us. Ever have a Christmas tree? BLASPHEMY!!! The evergreen is a ancient Pagan symbol that was incorporated by the Christians into their new holiday. Or did you really think that there were pine trees in Bethlehem? Does that make you a hypocrite? Of course not.

You need to lighten up a bit, my friend. My niece's Catholic school has Santa give presents to the little ones every year during the Christmas party, yet I can find no mention of a fat guy in a red suit or 8 tiny reindeer anywhere in the bible. Does that make them hypocrites? No, of course it doesn't. Christmas is indeed a sacred holiday for Christians, but it has become much more than that. Those are the things that non-Christians participate in, and there's nothing hypocritical about it. I would think a Christian like yourself would want non Christians to celebrate some of the things Christmas has come to symbolize, like family and Peace on Earth, Good Will Toward Men, whether they believe in God or not, instead of whining like a selfish child about how hypocrites have stolen YOUR holiday.



As I said earlier, you need to lighten up. Celebrate with all the solemnity that your beliefs call for, but I'm certain that you also embrace the non Christian aspects of the holiday as well. So drink some eggnog, put a few gifts under the tree and allow others to do the same, whether they believe in Christ or not. It is not hypocritical. After all, I enjoy wearing a silly sombrero and drinking Margaritas at Cinco de Mayo parties, but that doesn't mean that I pledge allegiance to Mexico, does it? :bigwink:


And who knows, maybe in all of the celebrating, a few of those non-Christians will come to see, understand, and perhaps even embrace your belief in Christ for themselves. As a Christian, wouldn't that alone make the entire Christmas juggernaut worth it?

[Kommercial]

First of all, that's completely untrue. I defy you to find an atheist that all of a sudden believes that Jesus is the son of God just to celebrate Christmas.

It is no more hypocritical than a Christian going trick or treating. Just as Christians don't celebrate the undeniably Pagan aspects of Halloween and just enjoy the costumes and candy, non Christians enjoy giving presents and drinking egg nog. It doesn't mean that they swear to worship Christ anymore than going to a Halloween party makes you embrace Paganism.

And speaking of Pagans, Christmas was originally a Pagan holiday. Yep, December 25 was the first day of the Feast of Saturn. Romans took off from work, feasted, drank, and exchanged gifts. Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate Jesus's birthday. The Christian Roman emperor Constantine declared December 25 to be Christmas because it was already a Pagan holiday. It was an attempt to covert the Pagan masses by making the day of Christ's birth a day that they were already used to celebrating. It was a brilliant idea and was quite successful, but make no mistake, YOU PEOPLE stole the holiday, not us. Ever have a Christmas tree? BLASPHEMY!!! The evergreen is a ancient Pagan symbol that was incorporated by the Christians into their new holiday. Does that make you a hypocrite? Of course not.

You need to lighten up a bit, my friend. My niece's Catholic school has Santa give presents to the little ones every year during the Christmas party, yet I can find no mention of a fat guy in a red suit or 8 tiny reindeer anywhere in the bible. Does that make them hypocrites? No, of course it doesn't. Christmas is indeed a sacred holiday for Christians, but it has become much more than that. Those are the things that non-Christians participate in, and there's nothing hypocritical about it. I would think a Christian like yourself would want non Christians to celebrate some of the things Christmas has come to symbolize, like family and Peace on Earth, Good Will Toward Men, whether they believe in God or not, instead of whining like a selfish child about how hypocrites have stolen YOUR holiday.



As I said earlier, you need to lighten up. Celebrate with all the solemnity that your beliefs call for, but I'm certain that you also embrace the non Christian aspects of the holiday as well. So drink some eggnog, put a few gifts under the tree and allow others to do the same, whether they believe in Christ or not. It is not hypocritical. After all, I enjoy wearing a silly sombrero and drinking Margaritas at Cinco de Mayo parties, but that doesn't mean that I pledge allegiance to Mexico, does it? :bigwink:


And who knows, maybe in all of the celebrating, a few of those non-Christians will come to see, understand, and perhaps even embrace your belief in Christ for themselves. As a Christian, wouldn't that alone make the entire Christmas juggernaut worth it?

You're right, Christians stole the holiday, we've been using it for years to celebrate a Christian event, and now I guess it's time for Atheists to take it as their own holiday.

Fine, go ahead and use that day as a day "To get together with your family," but I'm sure, somewhere in that festivity, Jesus and the Bible come to mind, just like it should.

It's not about lightening up, it's the fact that some Atheists are using a Christian holiday, as a time to use to be with their family. Use another day, not the most important day to any Christian. It's amazing, "I don't believe in the Bible, I don't believe in the Bible, I don't believe in the Bible," only on Christmas, to buy a present for your kids because it's December 25. If you don't believe in it, how about you don't get your kids a present for the holiday? We're recognizing that day, as a day as to where we give a gift, showing that we do recognize and we're doing what Jesus always wanted, to love one another.

But, again, Atheists feel left out, so they do their own thing, on that same day. Yeah, I call that bullshit.

[Spank666]

But, again, Atheists feel left out, so they do their own thing, on that same day. Yeah, I call that bullshit.

Ah, the beauty of hypocrisy. Seriously, re-read your post. Yes, Christians "stole" December 25th and marked it as their own. Thats perfectly alright, apparently. But, when atheists decide they want to use that same day for their own thing, it suddenly makes up hypocrites.

And to droogsteve, I love you.

[Kommercial]

Ah, the beauty of hypocrisy. Seriously, re-read your post. Yes, Christians "stole" December 25th and marked it as their own. Thats perfectly alright, apparently. But, when atheists decide they want to use that same day for their own thing, it suddenly makes up hypocrites.

And to droogsteve, I love you.

I'm a hypocrite because an Atheist decided to use my religious holiday as their own to make their kids happy? If that's so, then let it be. :rolleyes: December 25th has been used for many, many years to celebrate this same meaning.

This is like saying "America was stolen from the Indians back in 1776!" Either way, who cares? I mean, you're going to use something that happened in history over 300 years ago as an argument? Seriously, get with the times, and get an argument that is actually viable now. :rolleyes:

[Spank666]

who cares?

That sums up my thoughts on the subject.

And yes, it is perfectly appropriate to reference an event that took place so long ago, as it relates very accurately to what is happening now. If you think what happened back then doesnt matter, then look a couple hundred years into the future, when this will no longer matter.

My question to you is, do you really care?

[droogsteve]

You're right, Christians stole the holiday, we've been using it for years to celebrate a Christian event, and now I guess it's time for Atheists to take it as their own holiday.

No, just a shared holiday. We're not selfish.

Fine, go ahead and use that day as a day "To get together with your family," but I'm sure, somewhere in that festivity, Jesus and the Bible come to mind, just like it should.

You obviously haven't been to any of my family's Christmases.

It's not about lightening up, it's the fact that some Atheists are using a Christian holiday, as a time to use to be with their family. Use another day, not the most important day to any Christian.

Well, I was taught that Good Friday/Easter were the most important days to Christians, because Christ died for our sins and opened the kingdom of Heaven to mankind.

Are you sure you're a Christian? I figured you'd know that.

Christmas, on the other hand, was invented by a Roman emperor hundreds of years later to more or less trick Pagans into converting to Christianity. December 25 has a much longer tradition as a secular holiday than as a Christian one.

It's amazing, "I don't believe in the Bible, I don't believe in the Bible, I don't believe in the Bible," only on Christmas, to buy a present for your kids because it's December 25. If you don't believe in it, how about you don't get your kids a present for the holiday?

Fine. Show me the part in the Bible that mentions December 25. Then show me the part about giving gifts on Jesus' birthday. Once you show me those passages, I'll immediately stop celebrating Christmas....What? It's not there??!! Then what the hell does not believing in the bible have to do with anything? The bible never even mentions it!


We're recognizing that day, as a day as to where we give a gift, showing that we do recognize and we're doing what Jesus always wanted, to love one another.

We also recognize that day to give gifts and love one another. Believe it or not, Jesus isn't necessary for people to love one another.

But, again, Atheists feel left out, so they do their own thing, on that same day. Yeah, I call that bullshit.

How can you call bullshit when THAT'S HOW CHRISTMAS GOT STARTED??!! Why did Constantine pick December 25? BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY BEING CELEBRATED!! If you call bullshit on that, you call bullshit on Christmas.

Calling bullshit on Christmas. And you call yourself a Christian....

This is like saying "America was stolen from the Indians back in 1776!" Either way, who cares? I mean, you're going to use something that happened in history over 300 years ago as an argument? Seriously, get with the times, and get an argument that is actually viable now.

You're terrible at analogies. A day cannot be "owned" by someone like a piece of land, which can only be occupied by a finite number of people. Other people celebrating something different on Christmas in no way takes away your ability to celebrate in what you feel is an appropriate manner, does it? If the KKK has a rally on Martin Luther King Day, that in no way minimizes MLKs contributions, does it? I attend the NYPD/FDNY memorial every September 11. If an anti-American group holds a rally on that day, is that going to effect how I choose to remember my fallen friends? Hell no. And those are both examples MEANT to offend. Secular Christmas celebrations are completely innocuous. How the hell does someone who doesn't believe in Jesus giving an IPOD to his kid impact you celebrating the birth of your Lord in any way?

It doesn't, of course. You simply sound like a petty, bitter person, more of the Pat Robertson ilk than the "love thy neighbor" Christian that Jesus is supposed to represent.

[ahh splooge]

True Athiests don't celebrate Christmas. People that don't go to church are not Athiests, they are Once A Year Christians.

[Kommercial]

Well, I was taught that Good Friday/Easter were the most important days to Christians, because Christ died for our sins and opened the kingdom of Heaven to mankind.

Are you sure you're a Christian? I figured you'd know that.

That's controversial simply because Jesus wouldn't have ever died if he was never born. :rolleyes:

Look, I'm not looking at getting into some personal debate over whether this is right or wrong. As a person, I'm telling you, whether I'm being "hypocritical" or not, I believe any Atheists celebrating the Christmas holiday is just a smack in the face.

"We don't have to believe, except for that one day during the year, because I really need that power drill."

Seriously, we both know what exactly Christmas is celebrated for, and as much as you want to argue the fact, it's still just for that, the celebration of the life of Jesus.

Now, why you're arguing for the sake of an Atheist, I don't know, but we both know exactly what Christmas is all about.

[Spank666]

Now, why you're arguing for the sake of an Atheist, I don't know, but we both know exactly what Christmas is all about.

Celebrating the first day of the Feast of Saturn?

[Emperer]

Kommercial: Christmas isn't a christian holiday at all :rolleyes: Can you provide me any quotes about christmas in the new testament? No? Because it has no fucking thing to do with it, it's an old european celebration of the winter solstice, and guess what? Giving presents has always been part of it :rolleyes:

[PsiRedEye22]

First of all, that's completely untrue. I defy you to find an atheist that all of a sudden believes that Jesus is the son of God just to celebrate Christmas.




It is no more hypocritical than a Christian going trick or treating. Just as Christians don't celebrate the undeniably Pagan aspects of Halloween and just enjoy the costumes and candy, non Christians enjoy giving presents and drinking egg nog. It doesn't mean that they swear to worship Christ anymore than going to a Halloween party makes you embrace Paganism.

And speaking of Pagans, Christmas was originally a Pagan holiday. Yep, December 25 was the first day of the Feast of Saturn. Romans took off from work, feasted, drank, and exchanged gifts. Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate Jesus's birthday. The Christian Roman emperor Constantine declared December 25 to be Christmas because it was already a Pagan holiday. It was an attempt to covert the Pagan masses by making the day of Christ's birth a day that they were already used to celebrating. It was a brilliant idea and was quite successful, but make no mistake, YOU PEOPLE stole the holiday, not us. Ever have a Christmas tree? BLASPHEMY!!! The evergreen is a ancient Pagan symbol that was incorporated by the Christians into their new holiday. Or did you really think that there were pine trees in Bethlehem? Does that make you a hypocrite? Of course not.

You need to lighten up a bit, my friend. My niece's Catholic school has Santa give presents to the little ones every year during the Christmas party, yet I can find no mention of a fat guy in a red suit or 8 tiny reindeer anywhere in the bible. Does that make them hypocrites? No, of course it doesn't. Christmas is indeed a sacred holiday for Christians, but it has become much more than that. Those are the things that non-Christians participate in, and there's nothing hypocritical about it. I would think a Christian like yourself would want non Christians to celebrate some of the things Christmas has come to symbolize, like family and Peace on Earth, Good Will Toward Men, whether they believe in God or not, instead of whining like a selfish child about how hypocrites have stolen YOUR holiday.



As I said earlier, you need to lighten up. Celebrate with all the solemnity that your beliefs call for, but I'm certain that you also embrace the non Christian aspects of the holiday as well. So drink some eggnog, put a few gifts under the tree and allow others to do the same, whether they believe in Christ or not. It is not hypocritical. After all, I enjoy wearing a silly sombrero and drinking Margaritas at Cinco de Mayo parties, but that doesn't mean that I pledge allegiance to Mexico, does it? :bigwink:


And who knows, maybe in all of the celebrating, a few of those non-Christians will come to see, understand, and perhaps even embrace your belief in Christ for themselves. As a Christian, wouldn't that alone make the entire Christmas juggernaut worth it?


My mother is Pagan, and while she celebrates it as Christmas, what you are saying is absolute fact. I'll even cite sources to back you up on this one.

[Suicida1Poptart]

Atheist want to take christmas? Those bastards... get your own holiday and stop trying to kidnapp Jesus for your own sick needs...

[drexel]

i'm an atheist and i celebrate christmas. like many others in this thread, christmas for me is a time for family to get together and exchange gifts with one another. there are members of my family who pray and sing religious songs and stuff, i enjoy seeing them have a good time.

i also say "goddamn". i also eat candy at easter. i also go to churchs for funerals and weddings. i also spend u.s. currency.

just because i am an atheist doesnt mean i boycott every thing in modern life that involves religion or a mention of god.

[Kommercial]

Kommercial: Christmas isn't a christian holiday at all :rolleyes: Can you provide me any quotes about christmas in the new testament? No? Because it has no fucking thing to do with it, it's an old european celebration of the winter solstice, and guess what? Giving presents has always been part of it :rolleyes:

You know what, you're right, go ahead and try and prove that to all the millions of Christians around the world. :lmao: It may not have been a Christian holiday back in the day, but it is now.

Welcome to the 21st century, buddy.

[ThaiTanium22]

You know what, you're right, go ahead and try and prove that to all the millions of Christians around the world. :lmao: It may not have been a Christian holiday back in the day, but it is now.

Welcome to the 21st century, buddy.
Are you implying that old traditions should be abandoned?

[Devastation]

Kommercial: Christmas isn't a christian holiday at all :rolleyes: Can you provide me any quotes about christmas in the new testament? No? Because it has no fucking thing to do with it, it's an old european celebration of the winter solstice, and guess what? Giving presents has always been part of it :rolleyes:
It is a Christian holiday.

It is celebrated in Christian churches, but not Jewish synagogues or Muslim mosques, or Hindu whatevers...

It's not exclusively Christian, but is a Christian holiday.

[Kommercial]

Are you implying that old traditions should be abandoned?

I never once said that, but I did say that Christmas may have been started from another religion, but the truth of the matter is, it's celebrated as a Christian holiday, none-the-less.

We may have "stolen" the holiday, but it's been used as a Christian holiday for years now.

[Emperer]

Just because some christians celebrate it ass Jesus' birth doesn't take make it "their" tradition smart ass :rolleyes: If christmas was really dead and the original celebration is lost, why do people still give each other presents then? And where does Santa Claus, the christmas tree, the star, all those things come from? :rolleyes:
Just fucking deal with it, it's not your holiday, you can't steal an ancient tradition and say it's yours when most people celebrate it as they've always done, unchanged :rolleyes:

[ThaiTanium22]

I never once said that, but I did say that Christmas may have been started from another religion, but the truth of the matter is, it's celebrated as a Christian holiday, none-the-less.

We may have "stolen" the holiday, but it's been used as a Christian holiday for years now.
That's why I said implying.

It may be known as a Christian holiday but almost all of my family, a majority of which is Buddhist, "celebrate" it. To me it's more of a day to be nice to everyone and buy gifts and have a huge dinner than a day to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

[Wu-tang]

Some atheists bash other religions, so it makes celebrating Christmas hypocritical for ALL atheists? I think not. Dont make generalizations, they are almost always wrong.

Read it again.

It IS extremely hypocritical. Atheists on this board specifically always bash other religions and then they celebrate a holiday that was made by the people who they are bashing. I don't mind it, but if you're going to celebrate it I don't really want to hear you bashing religions.

Now I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that damn near almost every atheist on this board always bash religions. Especially since over half of this board is atheist.

Christmas isn't about celebrating the birth of christ last time I checked :rolleyes:
Check again.


Does anyone celebrate Christmas religiously anymore? I bet that if you do a survey of children aged below ten the majority will say Christmas is about giving gifts.

And if you survery children aged below ten they'd say the sun revolves around the Earth. What the fuck does that prove?



My question to you is, do you really care?

No I don't care. They can celbrate it if they want, but Atheists need to shut the fuck up and stop trying to push their beliefs on others. (especially on this board.) And By this I mean not all atheists do...But it seems to be a trend to be atheists here.

And if Christmas isn't a Christian holiday, why the fuck don't muslims and buddhist celebrate it?

And btw, the wise men gave gifts to Jesus when he was born. So don't say that we jsut randomly made present givings out of no where.

[Devastation]

And btw, the wise men gave gifts to Jesus when he was born. So don't say that we jsut randomly made present givings out of no where.
Well, actually, that part of the Nativity is celebrated as "The Epiphany", usually on Jan. 6.

The giving of gifts is believed to have originated from the feast day of St. Nick, which is Dec. 8.

[ThaiTanium22]

And if you survery children aged below ten they'd say the sun revolves around the Earth. What the fuck does that prove?
That they were taught that the sun is the center of our solar system. Similarly to how all of the non-religious parts of Christmas could lead children to believe whatever.

And if Christmas isn't a Christian holiday, why the fuck don't muslims and buddhist celebrate it?
Every year I get a little red envelope from my Buddhist grand parents in Thailand. Christmas isn't a strictly Christian thing any more.

[Emperer]

And if Christmas isn't a Christian holiday, why the fuck don't muslims and buddhist celebrate it?
I know both muslims and buddhist who celebrate it, honestly. Owned.

[Kommercial]

That's why I said implying.

It may be known as a Christian holiday but almost all of my family, a majority of which is Buddhist, "celebrate" it. To me it's more of a day to be nice to everyone and buy gifts and have a huge dinner than a day to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

So, basically, your family recognizes December 25th as a holiday?

I know both muslims and buddhist who celebrate it, honestly. Owned.

We could say that you're a liar, because you have no proof, honestly. Owned. :rolleyes:

[ahh splooge]

And if you survery children aged below ten they'd say the sun revolves around the Earth. What the fuck does that prove?


What the fuck does the sun have to do with christmas?

[Emperer]

What the fuck does the sun have to do with christmas?
Uhmm.. everything? :rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

[Kommercial]

What the fuck does the sun have to do with christmas?

He's just stating the children really don't have a say on anything intelligent, because they're just that, children. :rolleyes:

[void]

I'm an athiest, and although I don't celebrate Christmas, I do give gifts to my Christian friends.

as for myself and my girlfriend? We celebrate the New Years, not christmas. Plus, gifts are cheaper after the Christmas rush.

Bitching about non-christian celebrating christmas? Well I say get the broomstick out of you ass and mind your own business. who gives a fuck? faith is a personal thing last I heard.

[ahh splooge]

He's just stating the children really don't have a say on anything intelligent, because they're just that, children. :rolleyes:

I always thought christmas was about children?

[Henkie]

True point, Christmas isn't just the celebration of Jesus' birth anymore, it's a holiday about family and giving and getting, which are things that are important to non-christians aswell.

[Sparky_07]

You're right, Christians stole the holiday, we've been using it for years to celebrate a Christian event, and now I guess it's time for Atheists to take it as their own holiday.


I bet you're a lot of fun at parties.

[Kommercial]

I always thought christmas was about children?

Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Jesus, giving, and loving one another, which in turn, doesn't have an age specification. :rolleyes:

I bet you're a lot of fun at parties.

What does partying have to do with my religion? No one said you couldn't party if you were a Christian. Not to mention, I'm over that stage. I'm actually married, and I have a kid supposed to be here on Friday.

Life is great!

[Enjoi]

Athiests should celebrate festivus.

[whocares]

I wonder if Christians are going to make Halloween a christian holiday. I mean, they could celebrate Satan's birthday on that one. LOLZ!! :lol:

[Devastation]

I did not know that Christmas was originally a pegan holiday until a few posts above Droogsteve's.

You didn't know that?

[Kommercial]

I wonder if Christians are going to make Halloween a christian holiday. I mean, they could celebrate Satan's birthday on that one. LOLZ!! :lol:

Halloween is a controversial holiday. Some believe it, some don't.

Many Christians believe that participating in Halloween is a form of involvement in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness. However, many consider the modern-day Halloween activities of most to be harmless fun.

Many different churches in my area actually hold a "lock-in", as to where Christian children can come and watch movies all night, and have fun in a Christian setting.

Personally, I think Halloween is just harmless fun.

[Sketcher]

Uhmm.. everything? :rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

Yeah, because I trust a source that everyone can edit.:rolleyes:

That's what you told me when I used wikipedia as a source to prove you wrong.

[Enjoi]

Personally, I think Halloween is just harmless fun.
Except when I go out and beat up 8 year olds.

[whocares]

Yeah, because I trust a source that everyone can edit.:rolleyes:

That's what you told me when I used wikipedia as a source to prove you wrong.
:lmao: Haha, that was a good one, dude.

How hypocrite from him, don't you think?

[Sketcher]

:lmao: Haha, that was a good one, dude.

How hypocrite from him, don't you think?

Nah, he's not a hypocrite. That source is only right when it agrees with his opinions.:lmao:

[redstrobelight]

I wonder if Christians are going to make Halloween a christian holiday. I mean, they could celebrate Satan's birthday on that one. LOLZ!! :lol:
Actually Halloween isn't about Satan. It's stands for Hallow's eve or All saints day eve. What I don't get is beggars night for trick or treating in my town is on the eve of Halloween so it's the eve of the eve of All Saint's day.

[Ray]

Christmas isn't about jesus anymore, at least not where I come from. It's more about celebrating being with your family. That's why I enjoy christmas.

[Wurby Tictoc]

My family still celebrates Christmas religiously. Infact, my mother will write "From: Jesus", instead of "From: Santa", just to keep the true meaning of Christmas in Christmas.
There you have it: The true meaning of Christmas is that Jesus originally rode a sled guided by reindeer and delivered presents, but Santa killed him and took over the business. Kind of like Scarface only with less Cubans.

And by the way, celebrating the birth of Christ in the first place is a little weird considering the whole selling point of Christianity is that Jesus proved his divinity by rising from the grave on Good Friday.*

*actually Easter Sunday, but I'm an atheist so who cares, plus my argument kicks ass anyway because I mentioned Scarface

[DouchebagBoy]

A lot of non christian families celebrate christmas, including mine, mostly cause their kids nag them for gifts. So I don't see how this is any different, just because they don't believe in no God.

Well you are celebrating someone's birthday that you don't believe even exists (assuming you are an atheist, pardon me if not) but doesn't that strike you as...fucking odd? I mean if kwanza went commercial or hannukah, would you pick it up? Doubt it.

[Devastation]

And by the way, celebrating the birth of Christ in the first place is a little weird considering the whole selling point of Christianity is that Jesus proved his divinity by rising from the grave on Good Friday.
Ah ha!

He rose from the grave on Easter Sunday.

Ah ha!

[doorknobopener]

I like how in the Christmas episode in South Park, Red Sleigh Down (I think it's name was) how when they get back Santa tells them that Jesus died, and that Christmas should be about how Jesus died for us, and not just commericalism.

[Sparky_07]

Well you are celebrating someone's birthday that you don't believe even exists (assuming you are an atheist, pardon me if not) but doesn't that strike you as...fucking odd? I mean if kwanza went commercial or hannukah, would you pick it up? Doubt it.
People do it every day. No, it isn't odd, it is tradtional, and everyone does it.

I don't light a cake to Abraham Lincoln, but I still take his birthday off and sit on my ass all day like all the rest of the people that get that HOLIDAY off.

[Wurby Tictoc]

Ah ha!

He rose from the grave on Easter Sunday.

Ah ha!
I stand corrected. Good Speed Racer impersonation. :D

[Remiss]

Well, so many different cultures celebrate "christmas" different ways, including many other religions. Before christianity adopted it as a main holiday, pagans were celebrating a similar form. The only main difference really was that, instead of lighting the tree up with candles and the such (as they had no electricity), they litterally burnt it down.

My main point is, wether or not you call it christmas, the birth of Jesus, or Christmas, the day you get / give gifts, it's still a celebrated day all around the world, holy or not.

I as a Satanist celebrate christmas (don't worry, Satanism has nothing to do with the Catholic view of Satan the fallen radical angle, we are actually very nice people :) ), and Pagan's do, and Wiccans (The anti-christ according to many conservitives)

You must also realise, that Jesus couldn't have been born on so called "Christmas" or "Christ's Mass", so really, the date is not based on the day he was born, just a day of celebration of his past existance, that falls right on top of everyone else day of celebrating. Everyone has the right to celebrate.

Here's a resource for you people to read up on.
http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/western/bldef_christmas.htm

[SheBear]

I celebrate chirstmas becasue I have forever, I did when I was a little kid and I believed in god becasue I read the kids bible story things and as I got older and stopped believing in god I just stuck with it.
Yeah, sure, we like getting presents.
It's fun.
We like having the week off school and getting to visit the family.
And I for one, when christmas comes don't start believing in christianity just so that I can be part of the holiday.
I celebrate it if I believe or I don't, period.

Also, if you want to be technical I could say I celebrate 'Atheist children get presents day' instead of christmas, and what difference would it make to you, to the rest of the world?
none at all.

[Ark13]

Well, athiests usually don't celebrate anything, but I'm an athiest and I celebrate Christmas, mostly because I celebrate whatever my parents do, and I like presents :) I voted no.

[Chubi Chan]

techanically they shouldn't,what with them saying god doesn't exist and christmas being about god and jesus and whatnot.

but then again,it's like halloween.Techanically the whole candy thing only happened because little willed it as so,and originally it was a christian thing about the devils and spririts comeing out...but hell,my jewish neighbor gave out candy last halloween...

so truthfully,I see not problem with anyone celebrateing it,but techanically some shouldn't...if ya buddist,I don't mind...just say that budda is giving the gifts.

christmas has become such a freaking widespread thing in the media it's not funny...hell,ron jeremy has done several porn movies about christmas time,and he's freaking jewish.

[Emperer]

...And still, people celebrate it, singing Happy Birthday to Jesus, when the educated few KNOW that it wasn't originally their's.
Actually, it's common knowledge that christmas is a pagan holiday.

[BurkeWorld]

Sure, atheists will say they don't believe in that religion shit.

But when someone asks, "Oh, will you be working for the whole holiday's then since you don't believe?"

They say, "Fuck no, I'm taking advantage of your holiday even though I don't believe in it."

Fuckin' retards.

They'll put up a tree, get gifts but say they don't believe.

Shoot all atheists. Then fuck their skulls.

Yeah.

Burkey

[Nocturnal]

How do Christians treat christmas?

As a chance to decorate an evergreen tree (pagan tradition), wait for a guy in a red suit to give out gifts (Santa was adopted from a pagan God), and generally use it as an excuse to take off work and spend time with their families.

Or do they spend the time worshiping Jesus on his birthday?

I think that most Americans fall under the first category. Why can't atheists use the holiday as an excuse to be with their families?

[Remiss]

Sure, atheists will say they don't believe in that religion shit.

But when someone asks, "Oh, will you be working for the whole holiday's then since you don't believe?"

They say, "Fuck no, I'm taking advantage of your holiday even though I don't believe in it."

Fuckin' retards.

They'll put up a tree, get gifts but say they don't believe.

Shoot all atheists. Then fuck their skulls.

Yeah.

Burkey

I hope you don't mean "your holiday" litterally, because if you are Christan, you are also celebrating someone elses holiday. Christmas is exclusive to no one religion or culture, it is just a day / week / month of celebrating. In case you didn't catch my last post, it is impossible for December 25'th to be Jesus' birthday. Here's a quote:

"There is no hint in the Gospels about the time of the year when Jesus is supposed to have been born - except that it couldn't have been midwinter, because in that part of the world this is the rainy season and shepherds would not be out at night. This means that early Christianity found itself in the odd position of trying to tell everyone about what they claimed was the most tremendous birth ever without being able to say when it happened."

[VF Logbreed]

Even though Christmas is celebrated in the Pagan tradition, most people observe it as a Christian celebration. Therefore, I would say it's wrong fro an atheist to celebrate it. Though, I think the root of the problem is that they're atheist to begin with.

[Emperer]

Even though Christmas is celebrated in the Pagan tradition, most people observe it as a Christian celebration. Therefore, I would say it's wrong fro an atheist to celebrate it. Though, I think the root of the problem is that they're atheist to begin with.
Reliable survey please :rolleyes:

[VF Logbreed]

Reliable survey please :rolleyes:

What? :confused:

[BroughtToYou]

I am Jewish, but does my family and i believe in it? nah, we just get together and trade gifits. If you think athiests shouldn't celebrate it, fuck you. It's us who aren't completely influenced by our religion on important political topics.. but i am not saying ever religious person is like that.

Happy Holidays

[Emperer]

What? :confused:
You say most people view christmas as a christian holiday, which is a very wild and unlikely claim. I bet you have a link to a broad and reliable survey that supports this?

[VF Logbreed]

You say most people view christmas as a christian holiday, which is a very wild and unlikely claim. I bet you have a link to a broad and reliable survey that supports this?

They have the same fucking root. You're a fucking dumbass if you deny that Christmas came from the name Christ.

[Spank666]

Even though Christmas is celebrated in the Pagan tradition, most people observe it as a Christian celebration. Therefore, I would say it's wrong fro an atheist to celebrate it. Though, I think the root of the problem is that they're atheist to begin with.

Obviously, such a close-minded point of view should have no say in such a thread. People like you are the reason I am an atheist.

[VF Logbreed]

Obviously, such a close-minded point of view should have no say in such a thread. People like you are the reason I am an atheist. Oh yeah, and I'm a faggot

It's so convenient to blame someone else when you put your eternal life into jeopardy isn't it? Well it won't matter when you're burning in Hell. I'll send you a message later. I would encourage you to read it.

[whocares]

It's so convenient to blame someone else when you put your eternal life into jeopardy isn't it? Well it won't matter when you're burning in Hell. I'll send you a message later. I would encourage you to read it.
Tell me, why is being atheist something wrong?

How can you be so sure that there is really a god?

[Spank666]

It's so convenient to blame someone else when you put your eternal life into jeopardy isn't it? Well it won't matter when you're burning in Hell. I'll send you a message later. I would encourage you to read it.

I love it. More fools trying to push their beliefs on me. Now all you need is to go door to door handing out fucking bibles, asshole.

[VF Logbreed]

Tell me, why is being atheist something wrong?

How can you be so sure that there is really a god?

Well, we'll all be sure of it one day. Haven't you heard of the Monty Hall problem? Anyway, if you aren't saved, I would like to send you a message, too.

[Emperer]

They have the same fucking root. You're a fucking dumbass if you deny that Christmas came from the name Christ.
Please answer the actual question :rolleyes:

VF: what are these messages you're talking about?

[Kommercial]

Are you implying that old traditions should be abandoned?

Every year I get a little red envelope from my Buddhist grand parents in Thailand. Christmas isn't a strictly Christian thing any more.

No, I'm not, but you are.

[HardLuckKid01]

Just pay no attention to people like VF over there, there are some people that are so close minded that you cant convince them of anything other than their views on life. He's just one of those whose parents had crammed Christianity into his head so hard that there's no turning back, so instead of flaming him we should pity him.

I'm going to light a candle for VF's social life. If anyone would care to join me, go right ahead.

[VF Logbreed]

Please answer the actual question :rolleyes:

VF: what are these messages you're talking about?

I answered it. You're a fucking idiot if you believe otherwise (that means you). I'll send the message now since you are online. You might not be on later for all I know. I would prefer you speak nothing of it, and not bring it up except with me, but do as you will. The blood will be on your hands.

Just pay no attention to people like VF over there, there are some people that are so close minded that you cant convince them of anything other than their views on life. He's just one of those whose parents had crammed Christianity into his head so hard that there's no turning back, so instead of flaming him we should pity him.

I'm going to light a candle for VF's social life. If anyone would care to join me, go right ahead.

Go to Hell. I find it very hypocritical when one refers to a Christian as closeminded because they won't denounce their God. But when an atheist downright blasphemes His Holy name, he's pronounced reasonable, openminded. By His Executive Order, you have no place in His Kingdom. God through me condemns you.

[whocares]

Well, we'll all be sure of it one day.
And do you any undisputable evidence for this? How do you know that you are not mistaken when claiming this?

Haven't you heard of the Monty Hall problem?
And what does a probability problem has to do with this?

Anyway, if you aren't saved, I would like to send you a message, too.
No thanks, I'm catholic. I just want to know how can you be so sure that there's a god.

[Wu-tang]

Actually, it's common knowledge that christmas is a pagan holiday.

Christmas itself is not a pagan holiday. Contantine made the holiday for christans, calling the day Christmas. Celebrating the birth of Jesus. So Christmas itself has been a Christian holiday since around the 4th century. Christmas IS a Christian holiday for it means Mass of Christ.

Sure, atheists will say they don't believe in that religion shit.

But when someone asks, "Oh, will you be working for the whole holiday's then since you don't believe?"

They say, "Fuck no, I'm taking advantage of your holiday even though I don't believe in it."

Fuckin' retards.

They'll put up a tree, get gifts but say they don't believe.

Shoot all atheists. Then fuck their skulls.

Yeah.

Burkey

Damn straight. Amen.

You say most people view christmas as a christian holiday, which is a very wild and unlikely claim. I bet you have a link to a broad and reliable survey that supports this?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

[Spank666]

The blood will be on your hands.

God through me condemns you.

Boy, what the fuck are you babbling about?

Lets look at it this way: atheists believe God does not exist. Most atheists (contrary to popular belief) would say something along the lines of "There might be a god for all we know, but for now, I have no reason to believe there is one." Not all people are as close-minded as you, whether they believe in a god or not. It is the extreme of each side that gives either a bad name. You, on one hand arent exactly helping the name of Christianity.

[Emperer]

I answered it. You're a fucking idiot if you believe otherwise (that means you).
No, I'd actually go as far as reversing that, you're a fucking idiot if you believe so. Most people means the majority of people, right? It may be the case where you live, as it seems like you've grown up in a fundamentalistic religious environment, but generally speaking, most people don't celebrate christmas because of christ, or believe that's what it's about. I'm reading those messages afterwards..

[CheeseMonkeys]

Atheists are morons if they are going to say " i don't believe in god " But then they go celebrate our religious holiday. But then again, most people don't celebrate it for religion. They are only in it for the gifts.

[ThaiTanium22]

No, I'm not, but you are.
I never said I was against it, I'm all for abandoning old traditions.

I've said this before, I'll say it again.

Atheists and many other groups of people, if they celebrate Christmas, they do so in a non-religious matter.

[Avo]

Well, I got into an argument with a coworker today, and long story short, he thinks there's nothing wrong with being atheist and celebrating Christmas. I, on the other hand, find it extremely hypocritical since they're celebrating something they dont believe in.

So I say to myself later, "Hey, there are plenty of atheists on this forum, or at least little kids rebelling against their parents by saying they dont believe in God just to skip out of church, what would they say?"

So, what do you think about the issue?

*sigh*
You try to fucking hard

[MattyB]

Atheists are morons if they are going to say " i don't believe in god " But then they go celebrate our religious holiday. But then again, most people don't celebrate it for religion. They are only in it for the gifts.

It really doesn't seem like a holiday based on the birth of Christ anyway. Rather, the coming of Santa Clause. So it doesn't really matter who celebrates it anyway.

[Kommercial]

How do Christians treat christmas?

As a chance to decorate an evergreen tree (pagan tradition), wait for a guy in a red suit to give out gifts (Santa was adopted from a pagan God), and generally use it as an excuse to take off work and spend time with their families.

Or do they spend the time worshiping Jesus on his birthday?

I think that most Americans fall under the first category. Why can't atheists use the holiday as an excuse to be with their families?

This comparison just ruined your complete argument. First off, this is dealing with a religion, not an origin of people, like "Americans." Secondly, to stereotype a complete religion because of some family using "Santa Clause" and an Evergreen tree, is like saying every Black person is a thief. It's just not true, and I don't appreciate it.

[ThaiTanium22]

This comparison just ruined your complete argument. First off, this is dealing with a religion, not an origin of people, like "Americans." Secondly, to stereotype a complete religion because of some family using "Santa Clause" and an Evergreen Tree, is like saying every Black person is a thief. It's just not true, and I don't appreciate it.
I think he means that Christians, or people in general, celebrate Christmas with non-Christian traditions. Jesus' birthday is kind of on the side.

[Kommercial]

Go to Hell. I find it very hypocritical when one refers to a Christian as closeminded because they won't denounce their God. But when an atheist downright blasphemes His Holy name, he's pronounced reasonable, openminded. By His Executive Order, you have no place in His Kingdom. God through me condemns you.

Would you leave already? You're making my religion look bad. :rolleyes:

God doesn't condemn through anyone, except the Priest, moron. (That's according to the Catholic religion, which I'm not.)

[Davros]

Go to Hell. I find it very hypocritical when one refers to a Christian as closeminded because they won't denounce their God. But when an atheist downright blasphemes His Holy name, he's pronounced reasonable, openminded. By His Executive Order, you have no place in His Kingdom. God through me condemns you.

In that case the thunder mighty thunder god Thor, through me condems you to a spend eternity in Helgardh the viking hell. Does that sound crazy to you ? Well think for a second how stupid you sound when your ranting about sending some people to a place that they think is as real as Neverland.

[HardLuckKid01]

*sigh*
You try to fucking hard

I try too hard? Whatever do you mean?

Go to Hell. I find it very hypocritical when one refers to a Christian as closeminded because they won't denounce their God. But when an atheist downright blasphemes His Holy name, he's pronounced reasonable, openminded. By His Executive Order, you have no place in His Kingdom. God through me condemns you.

Atheists can be closeminded too, when they dont take it in moderation. Its assholes like you that make Christians look bad. Its because you wont even consider the possibity that God doesnt exist, despite the complete absense of any hard evidence that makes you close minded.

Ass...

[Avo]

I try too hard? Whatever do you mean?

I mean its just a one day celebration, just learn to embrace the damn holiday. I bet anything that has anything to do with God you gotta whin like a little bitch. ughh. :rolleyes:

[HardLuckKid01]

I mean its just a one day celebration, just learn to embrace the damn holiday. I bet anything that has anything to do with God you gotta whin like a little bitch. ughh. :rolleyes:

You know what? You're right. Why are we complaining about what others want to do? Its just plain wrong. You know, I've learned something today. Christmas isnt about religion at all, its about being with the ones you love. So this Christmas, lets all get together, hold hands and sing Christmas carols for the entire neighborhood. It doesnt really matter if you're Christian, atheist, Jewish, Muslim or Russian, we can all celebrate Christmas as long as we have our family and friends by our side.

You've taught me a very valuable lesson today Avo, and for that I will never forget you.

[whocares]

I didn't know that being mexican was a religious belief. :ahhh:

:D

[Avo]

You know what? You're right. Why are we complaining about what others want to do? Its just plain wrong. You know, I've learned something today. Christmas isnt about religion at all, its about being with the ones you love. So this Christmas, lets all get together, hold hands and sing Christmas carols for the entire neighborhood. It doesnt really matter if you're Christian, atheist, Jewish, Muslim or Russian, we can all celebrate Christmas as long as we have our family and friends by our side.

You've taught me a very valuable lesson today Avo, and for that I will never forget you.

And also Christmas isnt Jesus CHrist birthday, so if anybody tells you this, laugh at them in his face.

source (http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn08/whenwaschristborn.htm)

[VF Logbreed]

Would you leave already? You're making my religion look bad. :rolleyes:

God doesn't condemn through anyone, except the Priest, moron. (That's according to the Catholic religion, which I'm not.)

I'm a child of the Lord Christ. It would be better him be bound by the feet with pillars and cast into the river than him to offend me.