Black Metal

[GrymNekroElf]

The name of the thread says it all.. Anyone?

[osama_ben_hur]

VENOM kicked ass!!

but all that new scandinavian b.m. bands are shite. though very amusing with that stupid paint in their faces. and their crappy singers.

[GrymNekroElf]

Originally posted by osama_ben_hur
VENOM kicked ass!!

but all that new scandinavian b.m. bands are shite. though very amusing with that stupid paint in their faces. and their crappy singers.

Venom were amusing, and noteworthy as a rather important influence, but otherwise somewhat mediocre. The Scandinavians were good, or some of them (Gorgoroth, Burzum, some Mayhem, Darkthrone, old Satyricon, old Dimmu Borgir, SOME Ildjarn, some Emperor, Taake, VERY old Carpathian Forest, etc etc). You don't seem to know what you're talking about.

[AssClown]

He doesn't. For me, Dissection are the gods of Black Metal. Jon's getting out at the end of the Summer and the album'll be out soon after. I wonder how much a difference it's gona be from SotLB.
Venom was a cool band, but aren't true Black Metal, it's just a phrase they made up, would you call Steppenwolf (sp?) Heavy Metal because they were the first to use the name in a song? The Scandinavian scene was a very important thing in my eyes. The bands involved made a great antiChristian statement.

[lepratweek]

Black Metal...First thang that comes to mind is cradle of filth...they have a song title black metal...damn good band...time good

[AssClown]

They're just radio-friendly Black Metal for mall metal kids who shop at Hot Topic. They don't deserve to be called Baclk Metal, much less the "reigning kings of Black Metal" as GuitarWorld labeled them. And that song they did, "Black Metal", was probably a cover of the Venom original, they've covered Iron Maiden, Slayer and Blind Guardian songs for their CDs.

[lepratweek]

its unfortunate that cradle of filth is the first thang that comes to mind...Id choose Slayer, Pantera, or Motorhead...or any of the "classics" pver anything 1999 plus...btw...Kane posted a thread called "proton"...which should be Probot...its a band that any metal fan should really look into...Its absolutely amazing...Grohl's best work yet

[TheRadPotato]

The Scandinavian scene was a very important thing in my eyes. The bands involved made a great antiChristian statement.
the funny thing is how many christian black metal bands there now are. i've only listened to one or two of them, but they're still some pretty decent music at times... ever heard of "crimson moonlight"?

[AssClown]

the funny thing is how many christian black metal bands there now are. i've only listened to one or two of them, but they're still some pretty decent music at times... ever heard of "crimson moonlight"?
I've heard about some of those Christian Black Metal outfits, but if they're Christian they're not Black Metal.

[TheRadPotato]

well, sure, if a requirement of black metal is that it has anti-christian lyrics. but if you're only defining black metal by its musical qualities, i don't see why they wouldn't qualify...

[AssClown]

well, sure, if a requirement of black metal is that it has anti-christian lyrics. but if you're only defining black metal by its musical qualities, i don't see why they wouldn't qualify...
Black Metal is all about being against Christianity. I don't care if a band has a vocalist that shrieks, blast beats and so much treble that it hurts to listen to, if it's Christian or supportive of Christianity in any way then it's not Black Metal. Atleast that's the way I see it.

[TheRadPotato]

so you are a supporter of "black metal must have anti-christian lyrics." personally i believe it started that way but has changed to its own genre which could be defined solely by its musical qualities.
but that's cool. i know people who agree with you

[GrymNekroElf]

Black Metal is all about being against Christianity. I don't care if a band has a vocalist that shrieks, blast beats and so much treble that it hurts to listen to, if it's Christian or supportive of Christianity in any way then it's not Black Metal. Atleast that's the way I see it.

You are correct. Any Judeo-Christian religion has no place/being in black metal and is totally unassociated with the genre.

[Hatchetman321]

i kno of one band (forgot the name) who is against all religions..they stay stuff like..christians killed the indians (which is true) and talk about judiasm and paganism..they do have good points and teach some things..i could care less about religion

[TheRadPotato]

You are correct. Any Judeo-Christian religion has no place/being in black metal and is totally unassociated with the genre.
the main reason i disagree is because when i can't understand any of the lyrics without reading them anyway, why does it make any difference what they're about as to musical style? what do you define music that sounds like black metal with christian lyrics as, then?

if it's really all about the lyrics, it's practically more like punk in the sense that it's more of a community/set of beliefs than a genre of music defined by what it sounds like. the anti-christian requirement is fine in the history of it but i don't see how it applies now.

but i don't really know what i'm talking about, and don't particularily care about classifications of black metal. :)


did christians kill the indians? i don't know. it doesn't say anything about my beliefs because those "christians" would have happened to be wrong and acting contrary to what the bible says. same with the crusades, and any other terrible things that happened because of christians. the legitimacy of my faith is not founded in other christians, because they're not perfect, but in my god.

[F50]

I listen to a lot of Children of Bodom, they have some Black Metal in them...the singing mostly.

[the_fly]

If black metal is mention den Emperor should be...other great black metal bands are stormlord, thyrane,immortal,satyricon, old mayhem (De Mysteriis Com Sathanas the best album) and i prefer old mans child over dimmu. But Emperor tops all of them all by far because of their technicality. Ihsahn and trym are proberly the most talented and best composers ever! Emperor has definatly made a mark in black metal

[Jordan]

I liked Antestor, I think there black Metal, or Sorrow Metal. . . . or . . .meh

[GrymNekroElf]

If black metal is mention den Emperor should be...other great black metal bands are stormlord, thyrane,immortal,satyricon, old mayhem (De Mysteriis Com Sathanas the best album) and i prefer old mans child over dimmu. But Emperor tops all of them all by far because of their technicality. Ihsahn and trym are proberly the most talented and best composers ever! Emperor has definatly made a mark in black metal
You're a fucking idiot.

- Emperor are mediocre.
- Satyricon, Stormlord, Thyrane, ANY Mayhem (and by the way, De Mysteriis DOM Sathanas is not their best, Wolf's Lair Abyss is..), Old Man's Child, and Dimmu Borgor (with the exception of Stormblast) are all hardly great Black Metal bands.
- Technicality does not = musical quality.
- Ihsahn has probably, 2 good albums in his entire discography. Trym, whatever.


I guess it's my fault for looking for people who know music on an Ebaums world forum.

[MegaTherion]

You're a fucking idiot.

- Emperor are mediocre.
- Satyricon, Stormlord, Thyrane, ANY Mayhem (and by the way, De Mysteriis DOM Sathanas is not their best, Wolf's Lair Abyss is..), Old Man's Child, and Dimmu Borgor (with the exception of Stormblast) are all hardly great Black Metal bands.
- Technicality does not = musical quality.
- Ihsahn has probably, 2 good albums in his entire discography. Trym, whatever.


I guess it's my fault for looking for people who know music on an Ebaums world forum.

No dude, you are an idiot. Saying Emperor is a mediocre black metal band is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard about black metal. Go back and listen to "In the Nightside Eclipse." This was one of THE defining black metal albums (Along with Darkthrone's "A Blaze in the Northern Sky," Mayhem's "Deathcrush," Burzum's "Hviss Lysett Tar Oss," and many others). You have only listed bands that are fairly well known too. Do you listen to anything like Deathspell Omega or even Nargaroth?

[the_fly]

Well it must mean i prefer more technicality in metal more than you, you elf piece of shit. Now stop calling people idiots just cause they don't like the same bands as you, 2 or 3 of the bands i mentioned were said by you as being 'good, or some of them (Gorgoroth, Burzum, some Mayhem, Darkthrone, old Satyricon, old Dimmu Borgir, SOME Ildjarn, some Emperor, Taake, VERY old Carpathian Forest, etc etc).' . I've started to listen to black metal half a year ago, before that i only listen to death metal so give everybody a chance you fuckin necro elf, go put ur hair behind your ear so you look more like a elf and stop acting like you know everything about black metal.
I'm still discovering new black metal bands to my taste. But Emperor is my favourite BM band right now and proberly will be forever.
BTW, i wanted to start listening to Gorgoroth ages ago but i don't know where to start! Got any suggestions? :)

[MegaTherion]

Gogoroth's "Antichrist" and "Under the Sign of Hell" are both really good albums. "Pentagram" is alright as well but the first two I mentioned are the albums where they really wrote some interesting stuff. Anything after and including "Destroyer" is not very good, as it just relies on hyper-speed tempos and too much chaos in the chords/riffs. Basically it justs sounds like they are trying way too hard to write 'extreme' black metal and the results are less than stellar.

[the_fly]

ok cool thanks therion, has anyone heard anything from the new mayhem - Chimera? i havent but i like to hear some suggestions

[NME]

Im into metal but Im not a huge fan of the black metal scene. For all you fucking posers: Slayer is NOT balck metal, Cradle of Shit is NOT black metal, and Hatebreed is definetley NOT black metal. Get it straight, you idiots.

[Sezril]

ok cool thanks therion, has anyone heard anything from the new mayhem - Chimera? i havent but i like to hear some suggestions
It's actually pretty good.

[BiZaLL]

anti christ bands are really gay, they just waste their time trying to prove a point that will never be proven, and they know when they diethere is no after life, which most likely fills their life with no hope

[Demilich]

anti christ bands are really gay, they just waste their time trying to prove a point that will never be proven, and they know when they diethere is no after life, which most likely fills their life with no hope
You cant grasp the concept of black metal can you? Ill have to enlighten you.

If they dont speak out against Christianity, then they are basicly going along with whatever they dont speak out against and feel stringly about. I fail to realize how thats gay.

The point is that the idea of afterlife is created by christians and is therefore wronng. The messege is "have fun now!".

Black metal isnt supposed to be "happy" and "hopefull".