War Protestors

[swabee]

Does any one else, besides me, have a shit ton of hippie war protestors in their town. I think their irritating. Stinky fuckin' hippies.

[Kanism]

here is how I stand on this issue right now...i don't give a damn if you support war or are against war...the cold, hard fact (not poll result) is that we are currently in one right now...maybe not tomorrow...maybe not next week...but, right now...we have men and women (someone's child/husband/wife/father/mother) over there risking their very life to preserve what we have taken for granted...whatever your opinion is...ball the bitch up inside you and fucking support our troops cause how you feel and what you say isn't gonna change the fact that anyone of them may not even live to see the end of this thing.

yeah, I'm pro war...I also happen to not overlook that the very freedom in which you mother fuckers use to protest war was given to you courtesy of war...so, stick that in your fucking pipe and smoke it

[greenlee]

Originally posted by Kanism
here is how I stand on this issue right now...i don't give a damn if you support war or are against war...the cold, hard fact (not poll result) is that we are currently in one right now...maybe not tomorrow...maybe not next week...but, right now...we have men and women (someone's child/husband/wife/father/mother) over there risking their very life to preserve what we have taken for granted...whatever your opinion is...ball the bitch up inside you and fucking support our troops cause how you feel and what you say isn't gonna change the fact that anyone of them may not even live to see the end of this thing.

yeah, I'm pro war...I also happen to not overlook that the very freedom in which you mother fuckers use to protest war was given to you courtesy of war...so, stick that in your fucking pipe and smoke it

AMEN brotha!!!

[chris_78660]

there were 100 protesters arrested in austin 2 nights ago because they wanted to lay in the middle of our congress bridge...

let me break this down, they wanted to lay in the middle of a street where they have the chances of getting maimed by a passing car/truck/freight truck, just to let other austinites know that they opposed the war. they wanted to put their confused, ignorant lifes at risk of a fatal accident because they were against the deaths of iraqis and americans..........fine. i'll run over your bitch ass if you want to lay in the street. it's not like you are standing so people CAN SEE YOU, and maybe avoid hitting you and tramatizing themselves for the rest of their life! these half-educated protesters are really starting to piss me off. i saw a news cast in chicago that had to deal with thousands of people walking the wrong way into traffic just to get their point across.......you better fucking hope that none of these dim witts try to pull that shit in austin, because we will hit you....we wont hit you because we want to kill you, but we will hit you because there is nothing but crazy drivers in texas...,,,but thats a different story

[passionpanda23]

Originally posted by chris_78660
...you better fucking hope that none of these dim witts try to pull that shit in austin, because we will hit you....we wont hit you because we want to kill you, but we will hit you because there is nothing but crazy drivers in texas...,,,but thats a different story

Damn straight there is!! Me and Eva had to take down a few old ladies in the way once. ;)

But on the topic, I am with all the pple that said they should stop protesting once the war starts......and since it has already started, they need to get their asses out da damn way. :mad:

[Unregistered]

You damn war protestors need to get your fucking asses off the streets! **Newsflash** The war has already started! You didn't stop it and you're not going to. So I suggest you get your anti war hippie liberal freak asses off the streets. You might as well go marry Suddam, since you love him so much.

**And I agree, there are some crazy drivers in Texas! ;)

[Unregistered]

I agree with you all these protesters are idiots. congrats you didnt change shit now go home and take care of your fucking children and quit bitching.

[chris_78660]

Originally posted by Unregistered

**And I agree, there are some crazy drivers in Texas! ;)

the under statement of the year


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i just don't understand the logic of these COLLEGE students who should have some what of an education. one student was qutoed saying "We don't even know who the evil power is any more, us or them..." now this angers me (:mad: <---- thats me angry)
well i promise you that when he was arrested for endangering his life as well as others, that he was not tortured in jail...and none of his rights were violated. thats more than he could say if he was over in saddams neck of the desert....
"We don't even know who the evil power is any more, us or them..." what a crock of shit...what the hell are they teaching these kids in college now-a-days?????:confused: :confused:

[robw720]

If the protestors put half as much effort into feeding the poor or into cherity type things the world would be a better place. you want do make a difference you hippie bastards? try something productive

[Unregistered]

Maybe you guys forgot about something called "the boston tea party". The people were angered by the governement so they acted on it. people saw this and joined with them. remember? it was called the american revolution (not to imply we're starting a revolution). As far as us not being able to stop this, what about us stopping the war in vietnam? maybe you're right, we can't stop this war, but do you want us to lay down our signs? in a society like that, we become just as bad as a society run by Saddam (who i hate as much as you). When people are afraid and to intimidated to protest we begin to live in a dictatorship of
un-opinated wastes of ectoplasm. Also, we can't let the whole world think we are the same war mongering, gun toting
ass- holes they think we are. Can the Bush be right and the rest of the world be wrong? The answer is no.

shocked but not awed

[Kamayari]

Hey Anti-War Dipshits,

Stop your bitching and support out men and women in the middle east. I want to see one of you pussies strap on an m16 and set foot off of American soil. You are all trying to do the right thing, but that's just because your shallow and ignorant. Wake up, we're at war. Your either with us or against us. If your anti-war, as far as I'm concerned, your as much an enemy as Saddam. Support the US Troops!

The reason we got fucked in nam was because of low troop morale, and that was because of you dipshits protesting the war!

Get your head out of your ass and be an American.

[Unregistered]

Did anybody hear the Iraqi immagrant talking to the girl over the radio. Its rather plain to see that Saddam is a murdering, cowardistic, ball sucking, mother fucker. Like the guy said he killed 2 million people and he is still in office because everybody is afraid to confront except for the allies who thank god actually took some initiative and are going to kick his pathetic, shit stained, little ass. Better a little bit of death than a fucking nation full of death like Saddam commited during the 90's.
Thank you very much,
Jason

[chris_78660]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Maybe you guys forgot about something called "the boston tea party". The people were angered by the governement so they acted on it. people saw this and joined with them. remember? it was called the american revolution (not to imply we're starting a revolution). As far as us not being able to stop this, what about us stopping the war in vietnam? maybe you're right, we can't stop this war, but do you want us to lay down our signs? in a society like that, we become just as bad as a society run by Saddam (who i hate as much as you). When people are afraid and to intimidated to protest we begin to live in a dictatorship of
un-opinated wastes of ectoplasm. Also, we can't let the whole world think we are the same war mongering, gun toting
ass- holes they think we are. Can the Bush be right and the rest of the world be wrong? The answer is no.

shocked but not awed

i would like to debate you...there arent that many people i know that would actually oppose the war so it's nice to hear why you justify protesting your government.
now you bring up that we stopped the war in vietnam, but you do not say anything about it being the worst post-war period we have ever had.

here is my point, and i hope we can stay on it...
Saddam is evil - he tortures his people and poses a threat to the surrounding countrys. why would we let a man who idolizes stalin stay in office? why would we let a man who bears a striking resemblence to hitler stay in office?
you say that you hate saddam as much as we do, but you are protesting us attempting to over throw him....that does not make sense. are you opposed to the war just so that you have a cause to fight? or are you opposed to the war becase "we can't let the whole world think we are the same war mongering, gun toting ass- holes they think we are"???

[zingos]

Let's send all these lovable anti-war protesters to Iraq, let them see how 'peace' can change the regime.
:confused:
Do they REALLY think Saddam knows how to talk in anything other than war? Do they REALLY think that this man, who has killed thousands upon thousands of people to remain in power, will simply disarm upon request?

[Unregistered]

I'm tired of gettin' shot at

[Unregistered]

i completely agree with what almost everyone has said. I hate these fucking anti- war pussies. They haven''t stoppped the war so shut the fuck up!

[Unregistered]

For people who claims the protests are for peace, I really don't see how peaceful it was when you are causing as much violence and fights as a bunch of drunk college students roaming the streets. If you want peace, you have to think about what brings peace. Peace does not come for granted, everything comes with a cost. There might be many people dying or wounded, but at least we know that cost is for a greater good. It is unfair to say who should suffer in order to bring peace to others. But the world is unjust, if everything is fair and just, we wouldn't be discussing this problem at all. War will never even exist. I am not saying that war is right, I don't agree with many wars, but there comes a time when you know you got to stop something or someone by force. Simply sitting down and protesting by yelling and disrepecting your own country and president does not help the situation. Tell me how you can stop a man like Hitler or Saddam by sitting down and talk to them about saving humanity, helping the human kind or destroy all weapons. When people with great evil ambitions and a wicked mind possesses powers like them, I don't see there are any other ways to stop them other than by force. I mean if we did not create a war to stop Hitler, do you think all of a sudden he will just stop killing people and regrets his mistakes and try to bring peace to the world? For anyone who believes that Saddam does not possess weapons of mass destruction, I think that's naive to think that a man like him will actucally try to bring peace. If we don't stop him now, then when is the right time to stop him? When he actually releases chemical warfare into the world, then we stop him? Humanity can never achieve true salvation, but we can only try our best to do something that is right for the world, and in my personal opinion, I think this war is for a good cost. To stop evil before it gets out of hand.

[fred]

chris_78660 i'm glad you could reply with some civility, let me get to my argument. please do not think i support saddam, but some of the living conditions in iraq are due to us. in gulf war 1, public works suchs as water treatment facilities were bombed. now with sanctions, we arent allowed to give them parts to fix these. mind you, this is just one of many examples. basic medical equipment like blood bags, vaccinations, and other things taken for granted in america are not even allowed into iraq. already, 500,000 children alone have died due to these restrictions(amnesty). we already are punishing an entire nation for the actions of a few ass holes with our economic sanctions. now with this war we are further punishing an already crippled nation by dropping bombs on them when we dont need to, when there are other solutions. these people have been punished enough, we dont need to rain explosives on them. you mention saddams similaritys to hitler. i agree, but let me tell you about bush, he is starting wars of aggression, ignoring the majority of the international community, and is highly militaristic. sound familiar? although he hasnt quite turned to ethnic cleansing, he is detaining muslims and stripping us of our civil libirties
({un-}patriot act). i would support a special operations take down of saddam, a US sponsored coup, or other methods of getting rid of him with out killing of the iraqi people. i also beleive that if bush would have waited untill he had the majority of nations backing him, saddam would have stepped down. but because he rushed in and didnt gather the majority of nations support saddam felt less threatened. another note, over 50 percent of all iraquis are under 18. in dropping bombs on them we are indoctrinating anti US thoughts into their impressionable young minds. also, most of the arab world fears the US backed militaristic israel more than iraq, a crippled nation. about the radio converstion posted, that girl was a moron and dont think her representative of our movement. thats what conservative radio wants you to think.

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[Kanism]

thanks for id'ing yourself fred...it's good to be able to differentiate between all these "unregistered" and "guests"

but, do you really think that we have exhausted all possible means of diplomacy and alternative actions the 12 years since the gulf war? our stance right now is not whether the war is right or not...our stance right now should be to show unity for our troops over there to let them know that their tour of duty is not in vain.

personally, I'd hire some bad ass mercs...but, then again...maybe I watch too much tv ;)

[bane]

I FUCKING HATE PROTESTORS!

cant stand those bastards

[zingos]

Some day we wont have to go to war. Everyone will be happy. Until then, we can't let crazy-ass dictators stay in power.

[tvguy]

i just saw on cnn where a soldier in Iraq told the protesters back home to do something valuable with their time like pick up trash

[Unregistered]

I am an iraqi imigrant that had to escape saddams rule becuase he killed my entire family because I tried protest his regime. He killed my parents,kids,wife,cousins,grandparents, and uncles and aunts. He would have killed me too if I had not fled. Now to all you fucking dirty protesting bastards. You say you want to protest the killing of iraqi people then protest against iraq because they kill more people. Fuck all of you and if you lay down in the street when I am on my way to work to help the us economy I will run you over. The funny thing is I am a police officer. If I get called in to the riot zone I will beat all of you until your bloody and then throw you in a west compton jailed to be butt raped by nasty nate

[Unregistered]

I've seen good points and I've seen bad points, first off comparing President Bush to a dictator is way out of league, our government is set up to prevent such an action like that, Bush is just finishing where his father left off. I would almost consider it treason to talk about Bush like that. Saddam has had 12 years to give up his weapons and step down. And just taking him out wouldn't be enough, think about it, family(his sons) and you would have to take out the whole government, we aren't just bombing innocent civilians either. The attacks have been made on specific buildings in which no "innocent" civilian should be. Sorry this might seem random in order but whatever comes to mind is getting typed. Now we are sending in ground forces to take over what ever force still remains, we are even sending pamphlets telling the military of Iraq how to surrender. But I still can't get over teh fact that you would even think about comparing Bush to Hilter or Stalin or any dictator. You know they are filming the whole war just so Saddam wouldn't use it against us and to think that is just what you are you doing. You need to seriously think before you speak next time.
-Kirby

[zingos]

I'll just be glad when this is all over, and everyone isn't burning American flags anymore. This war means additional attempted terror attacks, as you may have guessed.

[Living in China]

I dont know to much about the protests back at hime but I can tell you what I heard from a fireman who lives and works in Berkly California. In the days after the Sept. 11th attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon firemen in his district were not allowed to put even a small sticker of the American flag on the firetruck because the people that were protesting about us going to war in Afgh. might turn violent. Now isn't that the stupid fucking thing you have ever heard? To all you protesters: COME OVER HERE WHERE I LIVE AND TRY AND PROTEST AND SEE HOW MANY TANKS WILL ROLL OUT AND RUN OVER YOUR WORTHLESS ASS'S. I'm American proud to be American and the hell with anybody else! Let the bombs fall for the better of humanity and if we can help the poor Iraqi's at the same time well then god bless. you all should try and get a job, stop smoking pot, cut your hair, shave once a month, use deodarant, stop listening to the greatful dead, buy anything but a volkswagon van, sleep with the American flag, support our troops, because this is the greatest country on the face of the earth! I know because I've been to many places all over the world and there is no greater feeling than walking through customs at the San Francisco airport and hearing the fat lady say "Welcome back to America"

[Unregistered]

Protesters should be shot.

[Mr.J]

Its sad to see that there are so many people that cannot see the entire picture of what this war is. I'm not sure how many of these anti-war protestors have stopped running around the streets and causing trouble and turned on the TV to see the images of the Iraqi man hitting the picture of Saddam with the bottom of his shoe. To see the people dancing in the streets as our heroic troops make their way through their village reinforces the fact that the Iraqi people are for the removal of Saddam. To continue to allow a man as evil as he is to stay in power is just pure stupidity.
I cannot understand why these anti-war protesters do not see the things that he is doing, just as France, Germany and China cannot see it. I feel that the president did all that he could to gain as much support as he could but when France said that they would veto ANY resolution that was presented ended the diplomatic process. France is the one that caused this war, had they been a little more open minded about holding this evil dictator accountable for all the atrosities he has done, and actually inforced the resolutions that the UN had made, this war could have been prevented. When France got stuck on the diplomatic fence Saddom saw that he could play the game, and that is exactly what he did. He played the game for 12 long years, and how many of his own people died at his hands in those 12 years?
For those who say that we are going in alone with the Brits... This coalation is the 2nd or 3rd largest coalation to ever wage war on another country, around 40 nations support us in what we are undertaking.
So for those who think that war is not the way, then you go and live in Iraq and live in constant fear of death. I wonder how long you "kids" could last without your MTV, Mc Donalds and and the shelter of your parents spoiling you at every moment. A majority of these protestors are nothing but spoilt little brats that do not under stand the real world.

[Unregistered]

To the Iraqi man...if that story is true I'm really sorry. Kind of impressive how your grammar was perfect.

"Protestors are pussies." Man...you guys must've thought this argument out through and through; your points are so amazing. There is nothing un-American about voicing your opinion. Think of something you strongly believe in, then imagine it being the dissenting opinion of the public. Would you oppose it? You probably would. Somewhere along the line you'd probably get called a pussy, too.

I'm all for getting Saddam Hussein out of power, but wasn't that the objective of the Gulf War? He's still in power. I'm sure there was some guy voicing his opinion on a public talk show then. Is the purpose of this war to remove Saddam Hussein from office or to liberate Iraq. Does anyone even know the fucking objectives? How many successful liberations has the United States been apart of? The initial one in Normandy was really successful, then all the other ones kind of went to shit. Look at Central America. More like colonization then liberation.

"I wish protestors would put their time into something useful like charities blah blah blah..."
You're kind of merging everything into one. Humanity ethics is way different then political belief. I wish pro-war people would put their time into something useful like charities. Whoa weird how it works both ways.

So go ahead and the hate the very ideals that created this country you claim to love. And hate the French while you're at it, they only sent troops to help America win its freedom from the British. I support the troops, just not the reason they're there. They have 1000X more guts then the people calling other people pussies from their computer.

-alex

[fred]

again, i support the troops in iraq, i dont however support bush who is sending them in there to die when they dont need to. They dont need to? Right, at the time of the start of the war, Hans Blix was pleading for more time, as the iraquis were cooperating. taking apart missiles while 200,000 troops are amassed at your border, yep id call that cooperation. at many rallys that i've been to, a common chant is "we support our troops- bring them home". if we shut up and dont exercise our freedom of speech, we again become a society like that of those run by dictators. and honestly, i dont see how protesting makes us "pussies" and other expletives. isnt the right to disagree what this country was formed upon? in vietnam, people thought we were fighting for some noble cause. looking back on it, it seems a foolish loss of life. this is how i feel this war will seem down the road. and to MR. J, im not a big fan of mcdonalds or MTV, and I think i could get a long without my parents spoiling me. i dont see how being a protester puts me into that category. most of the people on this board dont know anything, do you want to start a seperate board for people actually concerned about arguing the issue?

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[chris_78660]

fred, i'm glad that you responded...
i see where you think that bush is a cowboy who is hot headed for war, but you must understand that he is solving this issue before it becomes a much stornger threat. when you say that the iraqis were taking apart their missiles and cooperating, thats because they surrendered to us, they have been disarmed and sent home to their familys. we did not kill any iraqis that showed a white flag, we are there for liberation, not domination. keep in mind fred, that the iraqis are praising us as we come through because we will give them a new government that will rebuild all of the health facilitys that they have lost. the gulf war was a war with a nation, not a government...that is why certain medical facilitys were hit. i gaurantee you that when this is all over, the people of iraq will be in heaven compared to where they were a month ago before we went to war. if your concern is with americans getting killed, rest safe that they are fighting to prevent many more deaths that might occur if we let saddam stay in power. if your concern is with the iraqi people, have peace of mind that they will no longer be tortured by a tyranistic dictator. if your concern is with unity of a nation to oppose bush, that cannot happen in a time of war. if we pull out now what do you think that will show the world?
tell me what other opportunitys we could try, and i will tell you why they have not worked for the past 12 years...

[Mr.J]

Not sure if any of the protestors have heard the news that we found a bio/chemical plant. The chemicals inside are being analyzed at this time. If you can still sit back and support Saddam and his WMD. How long does Saddom need? 12 years wasnt long enough? We had to put 200,000 troops on his door step before he started to say "oh lookie what I found" and destroy 40 missles. And now that "shit hit the fan" he started to laucnch scud missiles, (missiles he swore he did not have) at Kuwait.
Another example of his atrositeis is the POW's that his army cought. If you look hard enough you can find the video on the net, and I had the oppertunity to see this video. The deceased troops clearly looked tortured and each with a bullet in the head. If he is willing to violate the treaties of the world by torturing and exicuting them, then he has no problem in deceaving the world about his WMD.
C'mon people wake up and face the truth, not matter how hard you fuss about it, the way is still going on. The way started in spite of your cries. And the majority of the worlds people support action in Iraq, and the only reason your cries ever get heard on TV is because of the violence that the protestors cause. If they held peacful demonstrations it would never make the news.
I dont see how you could still support Saddam, and dont tell me that you hate him, because you dont want to support the world in holding him accountable for his actions, instead you will strill cry "give him more time" and keep him in power longer, let him build more WMD and guarentee the death of his people for years to come, just so that there isnt any war. Maybe you should find something else to protest. Maybe you should protest about Saddoms humat rights violations? You cannot sit and say that you want him out of power but then not support the actions our country has taken. You need to get off the fence and pick a side, because if things go bad then you will be there to say "see I told you so" and if things turn out to for the better, then you will say "see I knew we could do it" So make up your mind.

[Unregistered]

to MR.J
IM glad u told them bout them finding those chemical facilities... WEREN'T THEY SUPPOSEDLY DESTROYED. GUESS NOT. U STUPID PROTESTORS THINK THAT YOU ARE PROTECTING PEOPLE FROM DYING. UR NOT! if u let saddam stay there people will die. yes people will obviously die in this war but that sacrifice will in turn hopefully lead to a free and dictatorless nation of Iraq. The amount of opression they go through with that man alone is greater than what we have done as a nation. there is no other way of solving this matter than going to war. YOU can't trust anyone anymore, so why trust a bunch of people who say they are doing one thing when they really are doing another. If Iraq said they got rid of their Chemical weapons how come Saddam authorized the use of Chemical Warfare on our own troops. Many of the people that we have seen greet us like we're saviors so that makes u protestors the SADDAM HUSSEIN's of our nation

[Unregistered]

Hippies need to be crucified and burned.

[Unregistered]

I don't really mind the protestors that much. What concerns me is that they protest by spouting lies for there reasons for being against war. One of the big lies is that we are doing it for oil. How stupid can they be? They can draw a line from the war to the oil fields and at the same time believe SH when he says he has no wmd. If we simply wanted the oil, wouldn't it be cheaper for us to buy it or have gone after it the first time we were their?

To really understand the protestors, I think we have to realize that most of them are anti-Bush or truly anti-American. There may be a few who are pacificists, but I can guarantee you that there are only a handful of them. Here in Austin the other night, we had a "march" where they blocked a bridge. After some time, almost 2 hrs, the police decided to move them off the bridge. These so called anti-war/peace supporting protestors thought nothing of throwing rocks at the police and hitting them with their signs. Talk about hypocrisy.

For those that are simply anti-American/capitalism, they are the true hypocrites. They protest the very tools/beliefs that have given them their right to speak. Let them go to Iraq and protest the government there and see what happens.

[chris_78660]

i am not a protestor, but it is really getting annoying when they are refered to as "hippies", because they are not......

[Unregistered]

If America sucks so bad why don't these people leave and make the rest of us happy?

[Unregistered]

I just saw a report that there were anti-war protests in Afghanistan. The kicker is, demonstrations were BANNED there before WE liberated the people from the Taliban regime. I hate the world.

[Mr.J]

I think that calling the protestors hippies is just a stereotype, if youl isten to the girl that Ebaum has she sounds so ignorant, and all she can do is laugh when she is cornerd. I found that recording to be very disrespectful to the Iraqi man that was telling her what he has been through.
Its sad that people will die, its sad that there could not have been a peaceful resolution to this problem. But then again Saddom brought this on himself. And now to know that arms dealers in Russia were supplying then with night vision goggles, surface to air missles, and other things to use against us. I think thats why Russia may be so aginst the war. With France we shall soon see why they are opposed to the war.
It saddens me to watch the video of our brave troops who were exicuted, its clearly an exicution each soldier with one bullet hole in the forehead. Now tell me if they cannot even abide by the Ganevia Convention rules, what makes you belive they wont lie to the UN?
Like I said you can choose to be like France and choose not to see it, or you can join the rest of us and support our brave service men and women who will risk their lives to free a cnountry that they will never even live in. May God bless them, and the United State as well as the innocent Iraqi people who will soon be free.

[fred]

yeah, quit calling me a fucking hippie its gotten really annoying. to chris, one thing we havent let work is the weapons inspectors. we cant expect to find everything right away after they've been out of iraq for years. even hans blix says the iraquis were cooperating. at the time when we were closest to war, even blair commented that the inspectors needed more time. about this being a war for oil... it is. n. korea openly has nukes and bio weapons, and has kicked out weapons inspectors, and has threatened to shoot our airplanes down. in contrast, we THINK iraq might be just starting a program for these weapons, and was cooperating with inspectors. now why are we going after iraq, maybe oil fields are more valuable than rice paddies i dont know. and if you want to argue the humanitarian issue, n. koreans live under conditions comprable to those of iraquis. clearly if bush was doing this to liberate the people and rid the world of tyranical threats he would have targeted n. korea. (however i think he should have targeted himself) about protests turning violent, most of that occurs after bullying from the cops. trust me ive been to a few when the cops got a little rowdy on us "long hairs". maybe you already heard of a village of people who are already starving. some even rushed the government buildings to pick berrys of the trees in the back yard. this is a mere glimpse of the humanitarian issue we will be facing in the near future.


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[Kanism]

they've taken over a camouflaged chemical plant...all signs point to its use was for biological weapons...hmmmm...when would the weapons inspectors have found this?!!?!?

[chris_78660]

n. korea is next
the way i see it, our plate is full at the moment. iraq was our first target and we should make sure we have delt with them before we move on to korea.
i was shocked when korea surfaced with their nuclear weapons and kicked out the inspectors, but we were already in heated disscusions with iraq.
as far as inspectors go, let me remind you fred, that saddam had his republican guard standing behind every scientist that was working at the inspected facilitys....further more, he was REMOVING evidence before the inspectors arrived at every facility, and it was widely speculated that he was placing the evidence in the homes of civilians. lets also not forget that we found a camouflaged building that is being tested as a possible chemical weapons plant.....what is there to say to that? why is it so hard to accept what must be done. you should know that it is impossible to make everyone happy, but for god sakes at least understand that this must be done? what message would you like to send to the rest of the world if we were to pull out now?

[minia]

The fact is that Hussein has had 12 freakin' years, North Korea just started their bs last October. Which would you go after first?? Hussein is publicly and brutally killing his own people, and though North Korea may be Communist I have not heard anything that even compares to Sadam's shit. He tried to take over a neighboring country not more than 15 years ago........ North Korea has shown very little, if any, aggression. Yes, they are breaking an agreement, and I am sure the UN as well as the US will talk with them.

[chris_78660]

not only than, but n. korea calmed down after all that shit.
they let the inspectors back in and they dropped threats of war with us...saddam hasn't showed that much productivity in the past 20 years

[Mr.J]

To say that this war is about oil is nonesense. First off its to expensive for us to ship the oil to the US mainland. If this was about oil we would be staging our troops in Canada not Iraq. The US gets the majority of its oil from Canada and South America. Also if this was about war I think we would have taken the Iraqi oil fields 12 years ago when we were kickin his ass back then.
Yes N. Korea is next, we just started with them and the course of action is much different than with Iraq. Soddam had 12 years to cooperate with the world. 12 long years, that for some people isnt enough time. Soddam is like a spoilt child, he disobeys his "parents" (the world) and then when its his time for his punishment his "grandparents" (France, Germany) step in and tell the "parents" not to punish him. Well Soddam is getting spanked now. If any of you have kids think of it that way, or think of it as if you could not discipline your child because someone else was trying to keep you from doing your job.
Soddam is getting what he deserves, he brought this all upon himself. He played the game and unfortunetly he lost. Just wait untill something happens here on the US, wait untill one of these protestors gets killed by an attack launched by Soddam, then your tune will change, I guarentee.

[Kanism]

it's gonna be awhile...in case most have forgotten, we're still waging a war in Afghanistan...let's hope that we're not spreading ourselves out too thin...many an "empire" (not that I'm calling the U.S. one) have fallen due to having their military powers spread out over too much terrain

[chris_78660]

that is why i say we aren't dealing with n.korea yet...
and the oil is obviously not the reason for the war...it is however one of the reasons that france will not fight. they have millions of dollars coming from their oil contracts in iraq. bush and blair both proposed a bill to the UN that would allow the money made from the iraqi oil, to help rebuild the country post war...but the UN declined. "why?", you ask...because they all have money coming from that oil, and they don't want to lose it for anything...that's why they aren't fighting after all

[minia]

It makes me fucking sick that these people woul dlet this shit go on just because they have interest in it. Then they act like we are the ones in the wrong....

[fred]

the reason we are going into take the oil now is because bush can go in under the smoke screen of 9-11. and no, n. korea isnt next. bush just said that he wants to resolve the conflict with them peacfully. the reason we arent invading canada is because there arent restrictions on how much oil we can take out of canada. under previous restrictions we could only take a set number of oil out of iraq, canada however we take out as much as we want. and i beleive that if we would have let our inspectors stay for more than 5 or 6 months we may have found this "chem lab". as of now, we dont even know if it was for bio weapons. but given time i think they would have found whatever they may or may not have. and im just curious, i dont doubt your credibility but where did you hear he was hiding evidence? and no, it wouldnt be to expensive to ship oil to the US, thats just nonsense.

[Kanism]

5 or 6 months?!?! like the 12 years since the gulf war did any good?!?!? we've given diplomacy a chance the time for action is now.

what grounds do you have for your stance, "fred"...why are you so opposed to this war?

oil..it has been cited that it is not economically feasible for the Americas to get oil from the middle east...

please enlighten us...I've cited my reasons to support war as have others...yet the anti-war faction continues to spin the same lines over and over in different formats.

[chris_78660]

Originally posted by fred
and no, n. korea isnt next. bush just said that he wants to resolve the conflict with them peacfully.

excuse me fred, but isn't that what we have been trying to do with iraq???
when i say n.korea is next, i do not mean that we will go to war with them...i mean that we will attempt to disarm them diplomatically. once again, iraq had its chance and now time is up....whether you think he would have surrendered or not with the UN against him, is ridiculous. saddam would only have had more time to buy supplies from russia and prepare further for war. my only wish is that we would have gone in sooner....or that bush's daddy would have finished the coup in the first place...

[Mr.J]

You know sometimes its just not worth arguing with a person who has the mind of a brick wall. They just dont want to see what the rest of the world can see. They choose to live in this "peace and flowers" world where you can kindly ask an evil dictator to "please lay down your weapons, pretty please" and expect that they will. Well this is the real world, and people will die, and innocent people will die, and that is the fact of it. It is very unfortuneate that that people will die, I didnt want to see it come to war either, but it did and now we must support our men and women who are fighint for a cause that you protestors take for granted.

The diplomacy portion is over and your crying and pouting and running the streets causing touble didnt stop this war. If you guys have so much destructive energy, put on a military uniform and go destory something that your supposed to destory. Stop causing more trouble than there needs to be. Like Kanism said you keep going over the same lines over and over again, nothing new. The oil excuse is so lame, and again it would cost way to much to export the oil way the hell over to the US. So like I said open your eyes and face the truth, then you will see what the rest of the world sees. If you cannot then go to those countries where they hate Americans because in my eyes you are just as they are.

[NOXIOUS]

those rat bastards in Sanfran firckn' Cisco are wasting their time, and the time of the police and fire departments. If the citizens of Iraq don't won't the US to liberate them, the how come there are no peace rallies there?
As this conflict plays out, I bet saddam will start organizing peace protests.
We need to send the fags from CA into Iraq with a draft, if I were drafted , I wouldn't think twice about going, I go for my country and for their's.

[Unregistered]

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the U.S. were going in there for oil. So what? What's your anti-protestin' point? Who cares if we are going in there for oil? How do you think we're going to get this oil in the first place? By liberating a country that has been run by a ruthless dictator for many decades, that's how. By getting rid of a man who has killed thousands, even millions of his own people, through the use of chemical and biological weapons and of course, through conventional means. You protestors say that the Iraqi people should realize there dilemma and stand up against the regime. You have absolutely NO idea what it feels like to live in a ruthless dictatorship, none whatsoever. You even TRY to speak your own throughts that betray the country, you or your family will DISAPPEAR in the darkness of the night, and will have your tongue cut out or be executed. You live in constant fear, wondering when you will die if you slip up. THAT is what the Iraqis have to handle every day of their lives, every day that you have come home, switched on the TV, sat on a cushy sofa, and drank a coke or a beer. If you lived in that regime, you would be afraid to stand up to it too. Which is why they cannot stand up to such a bastard dictator, for they will all be executed by SH and his royal guards. It's as simple as that. So as I said, it doesn't matter if this is about oil or not. It could be part of the reason, or not at all. But the fact remains that the U.S. will be saving countless lives by liberating the people from a dictatorship that should have been removed from power 12 years ago. Yes, people will die in this war, but just think of all the deaths that have been happening all this time when the news wasn't focused on Iraq, deaths that we will never even hear about, under Saddamn Hussein himself. And can you really blame us for killing civilians (unintentionally) when SH himself places schools and homes near military facilities that we need to hit. As terrible as that is, it is not our fault.

And don't forget that we have made an agreement that we will be building up Iraq afterwards, which is why we're not bombing the place willy-nilly.

I don't mind you protesting wars, but review all your facts first, review history, and you will see that this is beneficial for everyone.

-A dictatorial regime is removed, thereby saving lives (just look at the news to see how happy the Iraqis are that we're freeing them)
-We get oil (whether through obtaining, or through trade because the Iraqis want to show their appreciation) if any.

I don't mind you protesting wars, but this is not the right war to do it in.

Other side notes: Why aren't we fighting N. Korea? Because the U.S. is smart enough not to fight on two fronts. Because negotiations and, if necessary, sanctions come next and then, if all else fails, war. Because N. Korea are far more dangerous since they alerady have nucleur weapons, and we need to plan accordingly. That's all I have to say... for now.

-Tristar

[Mr.J]

Good point Tristar!!!!

[Mr.J]

wow... looks like this place died....

[DrNaste]

holy shit, how obvious it is that you yourself have never lived under an oppressive regime either, much less one installed by the United States.

I am Chilean. For those of you who need a history lesson, the United States enabled a ruthless general name Augusto Pinochet to start a coup and overthrow the democratically elected Chilean leader, Allende, who was (extremely) incorrectly labelled a communist by the United States. Augusto Pinochet was (not so arguably) the most ruthless of all South American dictators in these modern times. I had to live in this world all too long, and had to eventually go into exile from my HOMELAND for fear of death. Although there are some HUGE differences between Chile and Iraq, the situation is not much different.

And I'll tell you what the point of this little story is: If the United States came to 'liberate' Chile from Pinochet... I would have taken up arms and shot at every marine that showed up at my door. the US is THE MAJOR REASON FOR SADDAM'S REIGN OF TERROR, and I'll be damned if I let them 'liberate' me. Of course, this is only one person's opinion, but I am quite sure many Iraqis feel the same way.

The US is not wanted in Iraq byt the iraqis and the world, and needs to learn its place as PART of a global community, and not keep striving to be the one and only superpower. These tactics will not help you, they will only help to alienate you.

"There are only two remaining superpowers in the world... The USA and the rest of the world"
-New York Times article

[Hell No]

US Foreign Policy bites the big one.
As DrNaste was saying, the US government basically called for the overthrow of Salvador Allende after he made the decision to nationalize the copper mines in Chile. These mines were very important to American Investors. As soon as Pinochet took power, one of his first orders of business was to return the Copper mines to their "rightful" owners.
Then why couldn't the whole motivation for this war be oil?
And even when Saddam is taken out of power how do we know that we'll do the right thing?
How do we know that the next party to take power tries to nationalize the oil fields? King George II wouldn't very much appreciate that now would he.
By the way all you gun-toting cowboy fuckheads....
I support the troops, bring them back home to their families and loved ones, don't send them to die for big business...

[Texagurl]

[but we will hit you because there is nothing but crazy drivers in texas

It really all boils down to point of view. Because if I see you in my rear view mirror. I will hold my middle finger up high, give you some carefully chosen words and then run over you.
Now If you have the fucking nerve to get in FRONT of my car, I won't waste time flicking or cursing you out.

Watch out hippies.

Yes there are crazy drivers in Texas, but their crazy because fucking war protestors are ruining their beautiful state.

Well I'm DAMN proud of my state AND George W. so all I have to say to you war protestors is...bring it on...let my Chevy truck's bumper haul yo' ass around town for a few days!!!

Texas RULEZ

[Texagurl]

That's all I got ta say 'bout that. -Forrest Gump

[william]

Originally posted by Hell No
Then why couldn't the whole motivation for this war be oil?


ah yes i do not think you are well aquainted with the oil business. first of all...the U.S. company Exxon Mobil has a huge deal with Qatar on one of the largest oil fields in the middle east. Exxon Mobil is allowed to drill for oil while paying giant royalties to the government of Qatar. also the other interesting thing is this - most of oil that exxonmobil produces in qatar is not destined for the U.S. most of the U.S.'s oil is from domestic sources onshore, domestic sources off shore, and from south america.

also did any of you know that the largest subsea oil field has recently been located? and it is not anywhere near iraq. it is off of the west coast of africa, near cameroon and angola. oh yes and to encourage production of domestic subsea wells, the U.S. is considering lifting all royalties on very deep subsea wells in the Gulf of Mexico