Corvette Vs. GT500

[L4NC3R]

There was no official thread/poll, so I thought I'd spark one up. I thought this would be a pretty interesting debat. I'm interested in predictions mainly. Mine is pretty much said in my signature. Since the last thread went three different directions, it's dead to me. However, I'd like to quote some good points by BigS:

Are both the BASE Corvette, and the GT500 using the Tremec T56 6-speed manual transmission? I know the GT500 is.
The Corvette will be using the Tremec T65, and the GT500 will be using the Tremec TR6060, a mere upgrade from the T65. The Corvette will have just as much of a 1st gear as the GT500, with the ratio rated at 2.97.

Gear Ratios: Corvette vs. GT500

1st: 2.97/2.97
2nd: 2.07/1.78
3rd: 1.43/1.30
4th: 1.00/1.00
5th: .071/.80
6th: .57/.063
Final: 3.42/3.31

but i don't know what they weigh
The base Corvette is rated at 3,245lbs, and the GT500 was rated at 3,920lbs. There is almost a 700lb difference between the two, pretty much voiding out what horsepower advantage the GT500 has over the much lighter Corvette.

This would mean that the Corvette will have a slightly better power/weight ratio (8.1 vs. 8.2), as I stated in the other thread.

The GT500 WILL beat a base Corvette no problem on the strip, and likely on the track as well.
On the strip... well... I'll say that the Corvette has minimally bigger rear tires and traction control. And looking at those ratios, I think the edge belongs to the Corvette.

And like I said... the Corvette has German engineered suspenions built for percision handling, allowing it to achieve track times comparable to premium sports cars with up to 100hp advantages. The perfect example would be Nurburgring, in which it achieved a 7'56.

Dave Hill clocked in better times than the F360 Modena, Caterham 7 Superlight R (Robert Nearn), Honda NSX-R , and Porsche 911 Carrera S (Walter Rohl). It also beat out cars like the SRT-10, Lamborghini Diablo SV, and Lamborghini Diablo GT - cars which come with a 100hp+ advantage. It also beat the GTS, SL 55AMG, F550 Maranello, and F575M Maranello.

Thats just my opinion. So throw down who you think will be the better of the two...

[EeekiE]

The 'vette really have German engineered suspension?

[CroDalMatinac]

The Corvette can actually turn so, yea, the Corvette. *points to his avatar*

GO CORVETTE GO!

:boink:

[pat99872]

I'd rather vote for a supercar, which is intedned to kill ferraris and porsches. Unlike some supercharged mustang.

My vote goes for the vette :)

[EeekiE]

I like the newer 'vettes

[Steeda]

im a mustang fan but i see the numbers pointing to the vette

[pat99872]

im a mustang fan but i see the numbers pointing to the vette
aww you should of just gave ford a vote.. its kinda sad that no one voted for it

someone just pick gt500 so it looks fair

[NewfZ]

10 votes for Vette, 0 for Stang. I actually feel bad for the ole Pony.

[L4NC3R]

I don't. It's a product of Ford's attempt to rape the legacy Shelby worked hard for. I don't much like it at all.

[HappyKillmore]

I voted for the GT500. Only because I don't like the C6 Vettes, don't ask me why. I just love the C5 and would take one over a C6 anyday. Even if somebody were to say, " I have a C6 Z06 and a C5 black Z06 and you can have one of them, which one will it be?" I would start to hump the C5. I used to work for a guy that had a 50th Aniversary Z06 and I would wash it for him and that would include just backing it out of the garage and out on to the street, maybe a total trip of 300 feet, but I fell in love with his car.
Anyway back to the poll. If the new GT500 is as easy to mod and has as good as an aftermarket following as the Terminator then it will be a 1/4 monster. The weight is going to play a factor in braking and handling. It will not compete with the Corvette on the track, but that isn't going to be why people buy it in the first place. Now that I think about it I would take a Terminator over a GT500.
I think when I grow up I am going to look back at the LS1 F-bodies, Terminator Cobra, and C5 Z06 and think, "Man they just don't make cars like they use too." Jut like people say about cars when they were young. But in 30 more years we will all probably be driving around electric pieces of shit. That are lucky to make 100hp and are FWD.

[Smoked86]

i shoulda seen this thread a mile away
hey how come wsu hasn't posted his usual 2 cents
anyway my vote is to the vette

edit:
nvr mind this thread just started oops

[L4NC3R]

I think when I grow up I am going to look back at the LS1 F-bodies, Terminator Cobra, and C5 Z06 and think, "Man they just don't make cars like they use too." Jut like people say about cars when they were young. But in 30 more years we will all probably be driving around electric pieces of shit. That are lucky to make 100hp and are FWD.
Quoted for truth.

Hopefully I'll be able to say that same thing. But I agree, I'm not much into the C6 Corvette, and I would definitely take a C5 Corvette over one any day of the week. I especially love the Commemorative Edition Z06. I've never seen one in person, but my god... the numbers they've gotten are incredible. And I just like the overall style of it. Even the regular C5 Corvettes are superb. I rode in one back in Texas. It was my best friend's mom's Corvette. 2004, Black, hard top. She took us on 140mph test drives down an empty road. The sound, the acceleration, the sheer power being dealt with... It was incredible. Definintely one of the quickest cars I have ever been in. And that was a base Corvette! So yeah, I'm all hung up on those.

[wsuwarrior]

GT500 > corvette
GT500 < Z06

[Smoked86]

nice post wsu
can't shake his devotion can ya

[Muzak4shawn]

what's a GT500???



:rolleyes:

[NPF]

I'm giving it to the GT500. Just the boost it would produce would scare the shit out of the 'vette.

[Spank666]

Im gonna skip voting in the poll, as I have mixed opinions. I like the GT500 over the Corvette, and would take it over the Vette any day of the week. On the other hand, the Corvette would obviously beat it on a track, yet the GT500 would win on the strip.

Thats just my $.02.

[wsuwarrior]

http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=42774&st=0

we may have a Z06 killer on our hands....

[watchthevette]

http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=42774&st=0

we may have a Z06 killer on our hands....

umm 638 WHEEL horsepower off a pulley, exhaust and tune, umm i highly doubt
that. Say it has 450 wheel horsepower to start, thats being fair, you are telling me it can gain 188 rwhp from those three mods?
show me the dyno chart and ill gladly eat crow

[HappyKillmore]

Shit, I will only believe that when I see it.

[wsuwarrior]

umm 638 WHEEL horsepower off a pulley, exhaust and tune, umm i highly doubt
that. Say it has 450 wheel horsepower to start, thats being fair, you are telling me it can gain 188 rwhp from those three mods?
show me the dyno chart and ill gladly eat crow

im not telling you anything...brad barnett is, and hes one of the most trusted names out there.

[BigS]

The Corvette will be using the Tremec T65, and the GT500 will be using the Tremec TR6060, a mere upgrade from the T65. The Corvette will have just as much of a 1st gear as the GT500, with the ratio rated at 2.97.

Gear Ratios: Corvette vs. GT500

1st: 2.97/2.97
2nd: 2.07/1.78
3rd: 1.43/1.30
4th: 1.00/1.00
5th: .071/.80
6th: .57/.063
Final: 3.42/3.31

The base C6 Corvette is using the Tremec T-56 6-speed transmission. The GT500 will be using the TR6060.
Here's the actual transmission gear ratings.

Corvette/GT500
1st: 2.66/2.97
2nd: 1.78/1.78
3rd: 1.30/1.30
4th: 1.00/1.00
5th: 0.74/0.80
6th: 0.50/0.63

Final Drive: 3.42/3.31

...so, the Mustang definately has the edge in first. After the initial start off, both are quite even. In this case, the GT500 will pull better on the strip...I can't argue anymore that the Corvette wouldn't trounce all over the GT500 on the track, simply due to weight, and suspension.
There are many different versions of the Tremec T-56, but the GT500 uses the Tremec TR6060, which has a better, deeper first gear ratio. Main difference between the two.


The base Corvette is rated at 3,245lbs, and the GT500 was rated at 3,920lbs. There is almost a 700lb difference between the two, pretty much voiding out what horsepower advantage the GT500 has over the much lighter Corvette.

This would mean that the Corvette will have a slightly better power/weight ratio (8.1 vs. 8.2), as I stated in the other thread.
I'm sure the amount of electronics this GT500 will have is what's adding that much total weight. I came across a site that was dedicated to building a 7-sec '05 Mustang GT. The guys pulled over 100 lbs of wiring from the dash alone. I think Ford should make this a basic Muscle car, more GT oriented, but more affordable.


On the strip... well... I'll say that the Corvette has minimally bigger rear tires and traction control. And looking at those ratios, I think the edge belongs to the Corvette.
This will be important as well. I have no idea what size, or type of tire the GT500 will be useing. This will be key.
EDIT: Just found this....
"18-inch rear wheels that are 9.5 inches wide and are wrapped with 285/40ZR18 high-performance tires. Front tires are 255/45ZR18s."

And like I said... the Corvette has German engineered suspenions built for percision handling, allowing it to achieve track times comparable to premium sports cars with up to 100hp advantages. The perfect example would be Nurburgring, in which it achieved a 7'56.
Good point. I'd like to see the GT500 at Nurburgring.


Thats just my opinion. So throw down who you think will be the better of the two...
Valid opinion, and some strong facts. The GT500 will be the best bang for the buck, due to the S/C, and identical price to the base C6. The transmission in the GT500 is geared slightly lower...so I'll hand the GT500 the crown at the strip. The Corvette would most likely dust the GT500 on the track.

Now...let's compare power output and powerband, since we know the GT500 has the superior (slightly) transmission gearing.
C6 Corvette:
LS2 6.0 - 400 hp @ 6000 RPM
-400 ft/lbs torque @ 4400 RPM

GT500:
S/C 5.4L - 475 hp @ (around 5800-6000 RPM) -based off of detuned GT engine
-475 ft/lbs torque @ (around 3400-3600 RPM) -based off of detuned GT engine

Since the engine is detuned with almost the same amount of torque, we can already tell that this animal will be producing gobs and gobs of torque in the lower RPM range, equating to more power, sooner. This means the GT500 will be more powerfull all throughout the RPM range, and more importantly, in the lower RPM, with a lower first gear to get things moving. Weight won't even be a factor.


Both cars are beautiful in any case.









Now....you think that Ford is raping the GT500 name? What about the GTO, and the Charger? Ford is not the only company using retro names. I don't see it as raping...I see it as carrying on the heritage. This Mustang was developed with Shelby (even if he only played a minimal role) and will deliver in the end. Ford has taken the name and actually produced a car worthy of the honour bestowed to it.

[Steeda]

http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=42774&st=0

we may have a Z06 killer on our hands....
i'd have to see that first but i wouldnt doubt it. i know the ford gt was way underrated

[Boostedpimp]

I don't. It's a product of Ford's attempt to rape the legacy Shelby worked hard for. I don't much like it at all.

How can you say that? it's not just a re-badged 05 model mustang.. it's a completely refined and engineered car by Shelby himself so what's the difference between this car and the previous models he's designed and built? Nothing except the high hp and torque numbers compared to factory cars so stop talking shit on it. I do believe it's not gonna match up agains the vette too well in all catogories but at the track it'll be decent just as decent as the terminators match up against z06's so what's the problem? oh what it has solid axle rear so it won't handle like a fucking 200,000 dollar supercar big fucking deal.. Shelby's weren't ever "supercars" anyways so calm that arguement down already.

I picked the Ford since everyone hates on it but wishes they could drive it

[Smoked86]

but thats not the point of this thread if you can tune/ mod extra hp
its a stock race....... not modded!:ahhh:

[Boostedpimp]

but thats not the point of this thread if you can tune/ mod extra hp
its a stock race....... not modded!:ahhh:

what are you talking about? In my post above please point out where I mentioned "modded" because im confused your problem with my post...

[DrYeRLiNt]

since you didnt state new or old GT500



1968 Shelby GT-500 > C6 Z06

end of story.

[Da KiLlDoZeR]

i have a question about the engine in the gt 500, since its a detuned gt motor. Could you retune it to the be the same of the gt?

[Boostedpimp]

i have a question about the engine in the gt 500, since its a detuned gt motor. Could you retune it to the be the same of the gt?


I don't see why not.. I mean there's sooo much hidden hp within the ecm of the terminator cobras so I see that happening to the gt500 motor as well for emissions and insurance reasons

[L4NC3R]

Corvette/GT500
1st: 2.66/2.97
2nd: 1.78/1.78
3rd: 1.30/1.30
4th: 1.00/1.00
5th: 0.74/0.80
6th: 0.50/0.63

Final Drive: 3.42/3.31
I'm interested in knowing where you got those ratios for the Corvette. I got my stats from Conceptcarz.com. Not assuming or saying anything negative. Just wondering where you got those ratios.

[BigS]

I'm interested in knowing where you got those ratios for the Corvette. I got my stats from Conceptcarz.com. Not assuming or saying anything negative. Just wondering where you got those ratios.
No assumptions taken.
Here's a website that states the 'optional' Z51 C6 does indeed have those gears you listed...but that's not a base C6.
http://www.vetteweb.com/features/0405vet_newc6/

...and this is the quote if you don't feel like looking all the way through.

Six-speed Z51s will receive the same more aggressively geared T56 as the current Z06, and all six-speeds get improved synchros that are claimed to reduce throws by 10 percent.

...going off of that, I searched some more, and found some stats on the Z06 from this website...
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0505htp_z06/index1.html

Don't pay attention to what that C6 has on the exterior, the drivetrain is the exact same. This is where I originally got my stats from.

Now I stumbled across this site...
http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/2005/specs.shtml

...and that explains everything. So, my comparison is the correct one, since we are comparing the BASE Corvette, and the GT500. Even with the Z51 option...I think the race goes to the GT500.

[Sticky_Eecky]

Corvette! even in Europe guys say it`s great

[Vettribution87]

The 'vette really have German engineered suspension?
No.
There’s no way you catch the Germans using leaf springs. The transverse fibreglass leaf spring set-up is a uniquely Corvette (and therefore American) system. Most performance car manufacturers wont touch leaf springs theses days because they consider them fairly old tech (the Europeans especially).
Ever since they stared fitting fibreglass leaf springs to the C3 Vettes of the early 80's the car was laughed at by the performance fraternity even though there use resulted in a weight saving of 83lbs. They used to say things like: "Cesar’s got a patent on that spring! LOL".
Now that Vettes have been tearing up the circuit over the past 5 years critics are starting to shut up about it. :lol:

[Smoked86]

i can't get over the damn breaks on the z06
six piston front calipers and four piston rear calipers
and each piston has its own pad
and are you sure about the vette having leaf springs now:err:

[DarcSystems]

For the price, the Vette will HOPEFULLY be better.

I don't. It's a product of Ford's attempt to rape the legacy Shelby worked hard for. I don't much like it at all.
Shelby is still alive...and still building Fords. His Legacy isn't at all "raped" by newer Shelby mustangs, as he has his hand in all of them.

the CS6 for instance.

[Biggentplayer]

I vote vette. Ok the stang comes Supercharged out the box. well let me throw a supercharger on the vette and see some number.

[OE800]

ok let me construct a tube frame drag chassis, place the vettes body on it, and power it with an alky injected big block and see some number.:raiseeyeb

[wsuwarrior]

I vote vette. Ok the stang comes Supercharged out the box. well let me throw a supercharger on the vette and see some number.

then let me build a 7.0 liter mod motor to make it fair....

[NewfZ]

then let me build a 7.0 liter mod motor to make it fair....

You're as bad as the faggot ricers, you faggot ricer. Only someone who use that stupid excuse to prove a point.

" OM GMFMFGMFGMFG MIE ENGEENE IS SMALLUUURRR."

Fuck off wsu, you penis fucker. You've used that excuse how many times? Seriously man, go suck on Peter Filp's dick.

[wsuwarrior]

whos peter filp?

Listen Benny (Benny) Benny (Benny) ba ba ba Benny and the Jets, Im just taking things into perspective. If you can bitch that ford uses superchargers, then we can bitch that gm uses large displacement motors.

[NewfZ]

whos peter filp?

Listen Benny (Benny) Benny (Benny) ba ba ba Benny and the Jets, Im just taking things into perspective. If you can bitch that ford uses superchargers, then we can bitch that gm uses large displacement motors.

Because large displacement is simply better, alright. Lets try shoving 1.8L Turbo Diesels into large dumptrucks and see how far we get.

[wsuwarrior]

notice that 90% of new semis, dumptrucks, etc and equipped with FI...thank you very much..goodbye yellow brick road.

[NewfZ]

notice that 90% of new semis, dumptrucks, etc and equipped with FI...thank you very much..goodbye yellow brick road.

Alright then lets put in a Ford ZTEC and see how far they get. Or a 1988 Ford I-4 2.3L. kthxbye.

[wsuwarrior]

thats just ignorant...

[NewfZ]

thats just ignorant...

So saying because the engines smaller- ahhh fuck it. I can't get anywhere with you.

[wsuwarrior]

So saying because the engines smaller- ahhh fuck it. I can't get anywhere with you.

must suck to always be wrong elton.

[L4NC3R]

Wow, the GT500 jumped up quite a bit.

[BigS]

You're as bad as the faggot ricers, you faggot ricer. Only someone who use that stupid excuse to prove a point.

" OM GMFMFGMFGMFG MIE ENGEENE IS SMALLUUURRR."

Fuck off wsu, you penis fucker. You've used that excuse how many times? Seriously man, go suck on Peter Filp's dick.
Dude...is this little rant because of your feud with WSU? You know full fucking well that you guys are always ragging on the S/C. If we had a 7.0L N/A MOD engine...I'd say watch the fuck out 7.0L GM pushrod dino engine!

[DarcSystems]

Pushrod motors are pretty inefficient. I have one, but no doubt DOHC motors put me to shame. Large displacement cant be beat, but with technology, there are efficient alternatives. I actually think the vette would have benefitted more from a smaller displacement supercharged motor.

Ford could put bigger motors in, but there's no point to it really. No one is in need of 4 digit horsepower street cars (which can be achieved by inexpensive mods to a larger motor). There are enough idiots out there.

Did you know some of the Cobra's came with traction control? When you try to do a burnout, the engine would cut off the fuel to keep the RPM's down. Ha. Apparently people brought them to the dealership alot complaining of this, and when they talked to the technicians, they said "nothing's wrong with you're car, you just shouldn't be doing burnouts"

/pwnd

[Boostedpimp]

You could simply pull the fuse like say for the c5's and late fbodies

[Vettribution87]

i can't get over the damn breaks on the z06
six piston front calipers and four piston rear calipers
and each piston has its own pad
and are you sure about the vette having leaf springs now:err:
Yes. Although the C6's suspension is an all-new design with no components carried over from the C5, the C6 still uses front and rear composite leaf springs in its fully independent suspension.
Many may cringe at the thought but the track numbers speak for themselves.