Who hates Nascar

[josh_moore1]

If you hate nascar say I.




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[seansean]

Non Athletic Sport Centered Around Rednecks
NASCAR

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[Mr. Heskey]

I don't HATE it, i just dont really watch it.

[one-way]

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How can anybody pay $100+ to sit in the heat for 300 laps and watch cars turn left?!

[CrouchingT21]

well being a southern redneck from south carolina... i luv nascar. :)

[Wu-tang]

I...I hate pretty much everything in the winter olympics too except for Hockey.

[Joey Orion]

I wouldn't say I "HATE" Nascar, but I'm not a fan at all. I'd say maybe I'm interested in the last few laps. It seems incredibly tedious to me is all. But hate? Nah, just not very interested is all. :)

[KakUMei]

You have to have a reason to watch. I.E. favorite driver.

They aren't just turning left... They are racing.. And racing a hell of a lot closer than those F1 road courses.

[CommandoTravis]

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NASCAR SUCKS! Who wants to watch someone go around a track in a car more than 2 or 3 times??? AND PAY FOR IT!

[one-way]

My Post...(see above)
How can anybody pay $100+ to sit in the heat for 300 laps and watch cars turn left?!

Your Post...
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NASCAR SUCKS! Who wants to watch someone go around a track in a car more than 2 or 3 times??? AND PAY FOR IT!

Eather you ripped my post off, or we think a-like.

[Nick is cool]

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Its the gayest 'sport' ever.. You would have to pay me to watch 500 laps

[Perro]

The only reason rednecks like it is becuase it is the only sport without blacks. :lol:

[skizz0r]

If NASCAR isn't a sport, than Curling sure as hell shouldn't be an Olympic sport. Even though I am not a fan of Nascar, I am tired of everyone who says it isn't a sport, when it takes a lot more skill and talent than several other sports.

[hipocritical]

It is kind of weird that I am defending curling in my previous 2 posts but to skizz0r, saying NASCAR takes more skill is somewhat debateable. I am not saying Nascard doesn't require skill, completly the opposite, but to do anything whether it is driving or shooting or skiing or surgery at a proffesional level is very difficult.

[The_Canadian]

I do, atleast intill they crash!

[liquid jesus]

if you have just watched it on tv then yes your going to think it sucks. But Its accutally really fun to go to a race and watch it live. Its like the same thing for me with hockey. I can't stand to watch it on tv but when im at a game its a fuckin blast.

so no i don't hate nascar.

[AngelLucifer]

I've been to a Nascar event and it was still boring. The cars go around so many times that after a few laps it becomes boring.

[GNR Fan]

I love NASCAR probably my favorite sport to watch on TV.

[one-way]

Why dont all you nascar fans save some money and just set up some lawn chairs beside the interstate highway?

[Jim Colyer]

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Gas prices are high. All race car drivers do is burn up expensive fuel for the hell of it. OUTLAW RACING!

[USB]

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII at least they dont do it over here in England

[Burningnun]

I don't know how it is different to F1 racing, but I went to Silverstone and that was shit, so 'I.'

Obviously it is debateable as to whether it takes more skill than curling, since the skills used are completely different in the two sports. Personally, I would say racing takes more skill than curling, since the worst case scenario is a lot more stressful, and to win you need to apply those skills in a highly stressful situation, unlike in curling.

[Pat The Baker]

If NASCAR isn't a sport, than Curling sure as hell shouldn't be an Olympic sport. Even though I am not a fan of Nascar, I am tired of everyone who says it isn't a sport, when it takes a lot more skill and talent than several other sports.
Yes, pulling that steering wheel left sure is tough. Chances are those stupid rednecks couldn't get a decent time at Nurnbergring.

[Meio]

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No we have SCSA which is even shitter, we only have 1 banked oval at Rockingham, and the other circuits are flat like Mallory. How shite is that? Still boring though. You might say it's exciting live, but have you stood looking down a chicane at an F1 meet? On TV you have no idea how fast they change direction, how fast they accelerate, and how loud they are. Much more exciting.

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[pumkinphil13]

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i think nascar was the most boring sport ever created i mean who would want to pay to watch cars drive around laps the only reason i would ever go to a nascar race is to the the crashes

[Kommercial]

I just thought I would tell you that Sports Illustrated did a poll last year, and about 70% of the people that watch/participate in NASCAR make $60K+ yearly.

Not to mention, I would love to see you jump in a car, at 180+ MPH, 300 laps, and say it doesn't take a toll on your body.

I don't watch it, but it's very exhausting.

[OPP]

I takes more of a toll sitting infront of a TV for 3 hours watching it.


Nascar sucks!

[Sketcher]

If NASCAR isn't a sport, than Curling sure as hell shouldn't be an Olympic sport. Even though I am not a fan of Nascar, I am tired of everyone who says it isn't a sport, when it takes a lot more skill and talent than several other sports.

I agree. I'm not a NASCAR fan, but at least I'm not stupid enough to say it's not a sport. NASCAR racing doesn't look like it, but it's actually a really hard sport.

How many of you can say that you can drive at 180mph just three inches away from two or three other cars for 30 laps and not crash?

[K9Feces]

I like Nascar and everything, but I do fall asleep during races. It is a sport, but drivers are not athletes, ask Tony Stewart.

[Theforumtroll]

This is the sports page...

[bobtheflob]

Nascar takes skill and energy, I'll give them that. But it's still boring as hell to watch. Plus I heard they piss their pants during races.

[AsHopeDies]

well, they just announced that we got the nascar hall of fame here in charlotte. Whoopity fuckin doo!! It'll be a fucking beacon for rednecks...i can't wait

[atreyu_2020]

I dont hate it, but I dont watch it, and I also think it's a greatly underrated skill what those men do, their redneck image is what overlooks everyone who has nothing to say about racing except they are hicks.

[Sketcher]

And keep in mind that "redneck" does not necesarily mean dumbass. People too often get mixed up between the definition of redneck and hillbilly.

http://www.wordorigins.org/

Nothing there about being uneducated.

[Big_Jake]

Nascar sucks, bunch of drunk prick wannabe rednecks driving really fast in a circle, wow, its like a dumbed down version of ring around the rosies.

[AsHopeDies]

Nascar sucks, bunch of drunk prick wannabe rednecks driving really fast in a circle, wow, its like a dumbed down version of ring around the rosies.

Quoted for Ignorance

[atreyu_2020]

Quoted for Ignorance

Without intelligence as well, the same "anyone can drive in a circle" sort of deal, I feel sorry for Nascar fans that have to deal with ignorant stereotypes.

[MinOs]

My dad likes nascar, I don't know why...I don't really care for it. You guys make it sound like it's easy to race 200 laps in a car capable of 200mph in 90 degree heat with no AC. hmmm. You have to have skill to race these cars its not anywhere close to easy..

It's just really boring for me to watch unless I'm drunk :P but then everythings fun when your drunk

[Burningnun]

NASCAR is stupid... I can't believe how ridiculously simplistic the tracks are! It must be ssooooooo difficult to drive around in a circle for however many laps...pfffft


You absolute asshat. This has been said and refuted several times. Read the fucking thread.

Since NASCAR drivers are paid a lot (it is hard to say exactly how much since the salaries tend to be kept secret (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/thatsracin/11853117.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp)), and it is incredibly easy (according to you), why the fuck are you on here annoying me instead of making a killing "drivin round in surkles rofl?"

From the article:
Even when NASCAR driver contracts become public, the figures can still be unclear. The copy of Earnhardt's contract with Richard Childress Racing in the Lexington courthouse has been heavily edited, to protect confidential details. The contract appears to show that Childress would have paid Earnhardt $7.2 million in salary from 2001-03; the racing icon died in a 2001 wreck. (Another form in the file indicates his self-employment income was $7.2 million.) Another life insurance application estimates his total income at more than $10 million a year.


Look at the bold bit. First, this guy was an icon. That means he was good at the sport. If the sport is so fucking easy, how did this guy manage to die doing it?

You suck. Go away.

[blackeyedpoops]

i dont watch nascar at all and i never will. watching it on tv is the most boring thing ever

[pat99872]

Wow. watching a bunch of cars go around in circles is really entertaining *sarcasm*

[Errant Spittle]

I went to a nascar race in Michigan once....

I have never in my life witnessed so many rednecks in one square mile. we stayed across the street in a "camp gound". I use that word loosely because it was just a very big feild for the dirt farmers to park their RVs bigger than their houses. we slept in tents and were probably the only people there with a vehicle consisting of less than 5 wheels. they had these huge redneck parties, and all got naked (i was 12 at the time)....wow. and as for the race itself...it set a record for the most people at a single event with half a million or somthing huge like that. the race was okay i suppose (again...12 at the time...i was easy to entertain). so iam not going to say I hate nascar, there are worse sports.

[firepiss]

I don't like Nascar. I just like watching it when they wreck.

I really can't consider it a actually sport. Their really isn't anything physical about it, just the car itself and your arms turning the wheel just a wee little bit.

5 more months until football season beings again...

[atreyu_2020]

I don't like Nascar. I just like watching it when they wreck.

I really can't consider it a actually sport. Their really isn't anything physical about it, just the car itself and your arms turning the wheel just a wee little bit.

5 more months until football season beings again...

Turning a wheel just a wee bit? Do you have any idea how tight that thing is?

Hey I'm with everyone when you say it's boring, I agree...but dont take the talent away from them, there is skill involved in this sport.

piss, read everyone elses post, there is more than turning a wheel and driving in a circle.

[SmokeMonkey]

i dont think anyone comprehends how much time money and knowledge has to go into making a race car and driving it.

each track is different so the suspension has to be tweaked, tire pressure has to be adjusted. the cages are made by hand, custom jobs every one of them. the bodys are tested over and over to meet the specs of nascar. you have to adjust your strategy to how the car is acting and more specifically how the track is acting. taking the high side on the curves or the low on curves. you have to adjust for weather, whether its cool or hot, it effects how the car handles and drives. there's this thing called the groove and it changes from track to track and even on the same track. its fucking hot in the cars and its cramped. you actually have to fight the steering wheel, its not simply nudging it, you have to wrestle it with both hands. of course none you numbnuts bashing nascar would understand that since you've never fucking done. you've never watched it and given it a chance to understand at least what goes on and how much work really goes into it. ever driven at 180 MPH for 3 hours before? no? hmmm then how the fuck can any of you legitimately scoff at how "easy" it is to do? its not uncommon for a driver to lose 10 pounds in a race. you dont lose ten pounds sitting on your ass as someone else in this thtread alluded to as being comparable to driving in nascar.


if you can sit in an oven for 3 hours and come out feeling fresh as a daisy and not feel the least bit fagiued or wore out i'd pay 200 bucks to see you fucking doing it.


and before you bash me i want to make this clear, i dont really watch nascar, i'm not a fan of nascar but i am into motor sports and i know its not easy handling a car going that fast for that long. at least have the fucking decency to learn about nascar before you bash it, at least then you can say your comments arent based on ignorant assumptions like 3/4 of this thread is.

[BattleShip Ron]

I love NASCAR.

Any sport where a player has to wear a fireproof suit and a roll cage gets my attention anytime.

What other sport has 43 teams on the field at any given time?

What other sport is so dangerous that the fans need to be protected from it?

There is no other sport being played today where hundreds of thousands of dollars are spent just in research each week working out the bugs.

With exception of boxing, there is no sport where a contestant has the potential to loose everything in the first 2 minutes of play.

Racing is the only sport where the players must rely on each others skill and professionalism to survive.

Boring?

When football has time outs you might as well go the fridge for another beer or grab some zzzz's.

When there is a time out in racing, another race begins; testing the teams ability to make correct decisions, speed and timing.

Plus, there is no other sport where your families are your cheerleaders.

If you think NASCAR is just about driving around in circles, you're not paying attention.

If you hate NASCAR at least you still have a passion for it.

[Chewy]

You know I tried to watch it but it really did very little for me. In fact I really hate it. Watching a bunch of cars going around in circles is really dull, I do however like racing, my brothers and I used to race, we ice raced and raced open wheel but unless you are behind the steering wheel… meh....it would be like some watching some other guy fucking your girlfriend, but hey that works for some people. Me I'd rather be in the drivers seat.

[clutch-monkey]

i much prefer rallying or touring cars.

[C EVIL KILL IT]

Takes great skill, cars are amazing, but as a spectator sport ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Same for F1 although I like the cars more. Interesting looking!

Monotony in some dictionaries may have NASCAR for the definition.

lap1: WoW!
lap2: Ohhhhh!
lap3: Close!

lap15: :sleeping2

[ChadR6783]

I don't really like Nascar. Mostly because they make every race like an endurance race, and they aren't racing the whole time. I do love other kinds of racing though. Everyone who says it's just cars going around in circles, you're stupid and shut up. It is a lot more. It takes tons of skill. Since were talking about Nascar, how easy do you think it is to sit, motionless, in a racecar for hours focusing constantly, trying not to crash at speeds well over 100 mph? (And whatever that is in metric :) ) You have to know how to set the car up, you have to be able to control a vehicle at high speeds, you have to be good enough to be on a professional Nascar team, and I could continue to go on, but I don't feel like it.

[Devastation]

I fucking love NASCAR.

[silverspade14]

I like it when they crash and I like the video games but thats about it.

[Nash_61]

Nascar SUCKS, all it is is a bunch of fucking rednecks driving in a circle for 500 miles, wow where is the excitment, where is the pasion, nascar is a pussy sport for lazy fucks!!!

[porfignewton77]

If NASCAR isn't a sport, than Curling sure as hell shouldn't be an Olympic sport. Even though I am not a fan of Nascar, I am tired of everyone who says it isn't a sport, when it takes a lot more skill and talent than several other sports.

I hope you get shot by azn gangsters

[bsquared977]

god hates nascar

[Devastation]

god hates nascar
No, I do not.

[Red]

You heard it from God himself.

[USB]

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[Cee]

No, I do not.

Where is my promised land and my winning 10 million dollar lottery ticket?

[Red]

Are you mocking God? God doesn't deal with infidels, they're thrown where they belong!

[KakUMei]

I fucking love NASCAR.

Quoted for the truth.

[bsquared977]

No, I do not.
sry god! lol!

[Devastation]

sry god! lol!
Don't worry, it's in my job description to forgive you, my son.

[hillbillykiller]

I fucking love NASCAR.

Rednecks are one rung above Muslims on the ladder of humanity. Once we have finished up in the Middle East, we should turn our attention to the South, start exporting all the Cooters to Guantanemo Cuba, maybe even build some gas chambers for expedient mass extermination. Convert race tracks into Cooter camps.

[Mr. Heskey]

Rednecks are one rung above Muslims on the ladder of humanity. Once we have finished up in the Middle East, we should turn our attention to the South, start exporting all the Cooters to Guantanemo Cuba, maybe even build some gas chambers for expedient mass extermination. Convert race tracks into Cooter camps.


Jesus. Better watch out for this kid.

At least texas isn't consider the deep south...

[qazx98948]

To me racing (not just nascar) is nothing but boring...

In racing there's so much strategy and split second decision making involved. For example - 7 laps to go and under caution...everyone's pitting. Do you take 2 tires or 4 tires? You guess everyone else is taking 4 tires. You take 2 and gain lots of track position and wind up in 1st position. If you're talented enough and have the skill, you can hold off everyone who has 4 fresh tires, but if you aren't you'll be a sitting duck. You guess everyone else is taking 2 tires. You take 4 and come out of the pits 16th. When the green drops, you can battle your way through the field and pass up those who only took 2 tires. If the laps don't run down before you run the leader down, you'll take the checkers.

And there's a HELL of alot more to race car driving than just sitting there and turning left every 12 seconds -

There's drafting, for example - a skill used at restrictor plate races on superspeedways. If you want to become a master of the draft like the late Dale Earnhardt, you'll have to have a really good understanding and knowledge of how aerodynamics effect your car in a pack of 42 other cars traveling 195+. Along with that, you must form alliances with other drivers (usually team mates) out on the field that will draft with you, if you want to get to the front quickly. They're running so close together at such fast speeds that if one driver makes the smallest of smallest mistakes, he could take off in the air at 195 mph, tumble 10 times and wipe out half the field in a matter of seconds.

Anybody who hasnt watched a NASCAR race for more than 10 seconds needs to check out a restrictor plate race...its a chess match at 200mph.

And for the record, the backwater hillbilly stereotype for NASCAR is practically dead. If NASCAR is a southern trailer trash KKK racist orginization like some of you make it out to be, they wouldn't have let a black man race in their top series, let blacks work in pit teams (there are a good number of them), or decided to have a race held in Mexico.

And just to put things in perspective when comparing the talent/athletic ability of racing with other sports:

A former Red Sox player, Mike Greenwell, got signed with a NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series team not too long ago. He said himself, that going up against a 99 MPH pitcher doesnt even come CLOSE to being as intense as strapping yourself in a 3600lb. machine being at the edge of 195 mph, inches from the wall. He said it takes the meaning of a sport to a whole new level. His first race he finished in 26th.

[Wu-tang]

Did you really just bump this thread?





Why?

[navid]

fucking rednecks, so boring. even the crashes are getting less dramatic/deadly.

[Applesauce!]

IIIIIII NASCAR is gay, F1 on the oval's is gay, road tracks are totally diffrent. I could watch NASCAR all day if it was a road track. I could watch NASCAR for about 10 min on an oval before passing out. NASCAR is a sport, curling is not, baseball is a sport, tennis is not, soccer is a sport, golf is not.

[Static]

IIIIIII NASCAR is gay, F1 on the oval's is gay, road tracks are totally diffrent. I could watch NASCAR all day if it was a road track. I could watch NASCAR for about 10 min on an oval before passing out. NASCAR is a sport, curling is not, baseball is a sport, tennis is not, soccer is a sport, golf is not.

I'd agree with you 100% if it wasn't for the tennis part. What makes you think tennis sin't a sport? Even though I've never played it, there's no reason for tennis not to be a sport.

[Kazimierz]

Turning left is not a sport. (http://earnhardtbreaker.ytmnd.com/)

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[MooCowzRock]

If NASCAR isn't a sport, than Curling sure as hell shouldn't be an Olympic sport. Even though I am not a fan of Nascar, I am tired of everyone who says it isn't a sport, when it takes a lot more skill and talent than several other sports.
Its not a sport, its a race. It doesnt require any athletic ability, it required endurance and skill. A race isnt a sport, but that doesnt mean Nascar isnt fun to watch. It can be tedious in the long races, but most rednecks watch it in bursts and enjoy the wrecks.

I have a good redneck friend that is a Nascar fan...

[kledster]

I fucking love NASCAR.

Quoted for the truth.



HAHAHA. what is true about someone saying "I fucking love NASCAR."?

sorry but saying QFT to that is completely hilarious to me.


that would be like me saying "I fucking love to eat kuntucky fried chicken!" and someone responding "Quoted for the truth."

[Devastation]

I don't see your point.

It looks to me you're trying to tear apart something that makes complete sense.

There is nothing wrong with somebody saying "I love Kentucky Fried Chicken" and a fellow porch-monkey saying "Quoted for Truth".

Try again. You failed this time.

[NYG 5]

the last few laps is ok, but 500 laps of going in circles? waste of fucking gas

[subin]

Personaly I actually like to watch NASCAR. For some reason it appeals to me.

[wrathchild]

Nascar is a bit boring, but I don't hate it. I've seen both ASCAR (the European version of NASCAR) and the Champ cars at Rockingham UK, but they were a complete bore and I had no idea what was going on while they were racing.

[hipocritical]

Curling is a crunk ass sport. It's actually a lot of fun. You can't say that it oesn't require skill.

[Owned]

Yeah Curling is a good sport.

but Nascar is still a sport, doesn't matter. You try to do that, and get it on tape, it takes skill, so stfu?

[Doinitbig]

NASCAR sucks balls. It is not a sport. It is competitive and people will tell you that you should be physically fit to be mentally fit to compete, blah, blah, blah. The same can be said about poker and video games and they just don't cut it as true sports either.

[AsHopeDies]

NASCAR sucks balls. It is not a sport. It is competitive and people will tell you that you should be physically fit to be mentally fit to compete, blah, blah, blah. The same can be said about poker and video games and they just don't cut it as true sports either.

Who knew poker and video games required endurance, stamina, strength, hand-eye coordination, and strategy all at once, while moving at 200 mph?

NASCAR, regardless of whether you like it or not, mixes physical tests and ability with skill and strategy, it's a sport and that really isn't arguable.

And like all sports, the fans love it, and some people hate it. And that's fine, I don't care for it. But I can still see it as a sport and respect it as a sport. Unlike some of you apes.

[Kazimierz]

Who knew poker and video games required endurance, stamina, strength, hand-eye coordination, and strategy all at once

Outside of strength (which i wouldn't say a Nascar racer needs either), you just described poker and videogames.

Sure, maybe not your home game, or dicking around on your xbox. But there are tournaments where all this is necessary. Just like NASCAR comparing to regular driving.

while moving at 200 mph?

That's just concentration. Also important in poker and videogames.

[navid]

if they dont crash/people die/earndhearts all get pwned/chicks get naked its gay. nascar is GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

[Devastation]

NASCAR kicks ass.

[proton]

If NASCAR sucks so bad, why is it attacting the likes of F1 racer Juan Montoya (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/racing/07/11/montoya.leaving/index.html) and teh hawtness of cart racer Danica Patrick (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/tim_tuttle/07/11/inside.nascar/index.html)?

[navid]

NASCAR sucks so bad

quoted for truth

[proton]

Nascar Kicks ass on so many levels. I mean, who cares if Jeff Gordan is gay. Hell i'd do him!

/Quoted for the real truth
//Bring it.

[AsHopeDies]

Outside of strength (which i wouldn't say a Nascar racer needs either), you just described poker and videogames.

Sure, maybe not your home game, or dicking around on your xbox. But there are tournaments where all this is necessary. Just like NASCAR comparing to regular driving.

That's just concentration. Also important in poker and videogames.

You try continuously steering a heavy ass stock car travelling at 200 mph for hours and tell me that doesn't take strength. You're really starting to prove that you are just uninformed here.

These poker and videogame tourneys that you speak of require mental stamina and endurance sure, but not physical. And that's the differentiator.

Maybe taking laps at 90 just requires concentration, but at 200, it requires brute physical strength. That isn't even arguable. If you don't think it does, then you simply don't know what you're talking about. It's not a matter of opinion.

I mentioned endurance, stamina, strength, hand-eye coordination, and strategy; sorry to say but poker and video games require 2 outta 5, and that just doesn't warrant a comparison. There's a difference between being able to concentrate for a few hours (mental stamina and endurance) and being able to complete the Ironman (physical stamina and endurance). And racing in Nascar is much closer to the Ironman then it is to the World Series of Poker.

[wrathchild]

^ agreed, but NASCAR has nothing on F1 though. The guys who do that have to be much fitter and mentally trained for the job. They probably also need to know more about racing and the little details of setup and stuff than NASCAR guys. I'm not entirely sure about NASCAR though, I don't watch it that much.

[Gnagflow]

I HATE IT

P.S. do they ever make right turns in nascar? like a reverse track?

[AsHopeDies]

^ agreed, but NASCAR has nothing on F1 though. The guys who do that have to be much fitter and mentally trained for the job. They probably also need to know more about racing and the little details of setup and stuff than NASCAR guys. I'm not entirely sure about NASCAR though, I don't watch it that much.

Yeah, I'm with you there, I think F1 drivers are more athletic then NASCAR drivers, and more knowledgable about the workings of their cars.

I HATE IT

P.S. do they ever make right turns in nascar? like a reverse track?

They don't ever go the opposite way that I know of, not on purpose at least ;) But they do have a couple road races every year.

And this may sound odd, but I also HATE Nascar, I just can't watch it, I think it's boring. But when people come on and say some of the cliche things they have in this thread, I can't help but argue with them.

[Mahalo]

Amazing sport.

Let's see who can burn the most gasoline while driving in an oval!

[blackeyedpoops]

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it wastes valuable SportsCenter time that could be used for more impotant sports

[Kazimierz]

Maybe taking laps at 90 just requires concentration, but at 200, it requires brute physical strength. That isn't even arguable. If you don't think it does, then you simply don't know what you're talking about. It's not a matter of opinion.

Well, on my motorcycle i've pulled speeds north of 160, and believe me, physical strength is not the determining factor. It's precision, skill, and concentration.

I mentioned endurance, stamina, strength, hand-eye coordination, and strategy; sorry to say but poker and video games require 2 outta 5, and that just doesn't warrant a comparison. There's a difference between being able to concentrate for a few hours (mental stamina and endurance) and being able to complete the Ironman (physical stamina and endurance). And racing in Nascar is much closer to the Ironman then it is to the World Series of Poker.

Poker

Endurance: many hours a day, for days at a time
Strength: I beg to differ with NASCAR as well
Hand-Eye Coordination: You gotta keep track of your tells, and whether you're going to bluff one, what you're giving away. You need to keep track of everything you're doing
Strategy: Yep.

I would say both NASCAR and Poker are in absolutely no way close to Ironman.

I have no trouble saying that NASCAR requires skill, and it's for a very elite few. But you cannot consider it a sport, in league with soccer, football, etc. Not a snowball's chance in hell.

[Devastation]

NASCAR kicks ass.

[AsHopeDies]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I think steering a really heavy car that you can't control by leaning etc makes it very different and much more physically demanding. But we obviously don't see eye to eye on that one.

I'll make one new point, and leave it at that.

Joe Schmoe anybody could "practice" and get better at games. Poker, video games, pool, darts, etc. But he would have to "train" and practice to be able to compete in NASCAR, because of the physical demands as well as the skill demands. That is why I think it is a sport and not a game, and can easily be grouped in with football, baseball, soccer, etc.

[Chewy]

How anyone can be memorized by cars traveling around in circles 200 times or more is beyond me.

[arsenalfan]

F1 FTW bitch

[inrecop]

i can pretty much watch any sport...but NASCAR IS NOT A SPORT

[Devastation]

How anyone can be memorized by cars traveling around in circles 200 times or more is beyond me.
When you come from where I come from, you'd be surprised at what can entertain us.

[ypsidan04]

Danica Patrick (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/5772590?FSO1&ATT=HCP&GT1=8393) is thinking about going into NASCAR. That would be great. It would help NASCAR by getting new fans, and changing people's opinions about it. I'm definitely a fan of hers. :cool:

[proton]

Danica Patrick (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/5772590?FSO1&ATT=HCP&GT1=8393) is thinking about going into NASCAR. That would be great. It would help NASCAR by getting new fans, and changing people's opinions about it. I'm definitely a fan of hers. :cool:

If NASCAR sucks so bad, why is it attacting the likes of F1 racer Juan Montoya (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/racing/07/11/montoya.leaving/index.html) and teh hawtness of cart racer Danica Patrick (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/tim_tuttle/07/11/inside.nascar/index.html)?

Ditto ypsidan04. :wave:

[Kazimierz]

Ditto ypsidan04. :wave:

A champion shit-eater could make a lot of money if enough people were to pay to watch people eat shit.

[Devastation]

A champion shit-eater could make a lot of money if enough people were to pay to watch people eat shit.
NASCAR kicks ass.

Hawaii has volcanoes.

[proton]

A champion shit-eater could make a lot of money if enough people were to pay to watch people eat shit.

Am I gonna have to give my buddy Kim Jon Il a call to slow down production on the Taepo Dong 2 upgrades? I'd hate to see Hawaii in his sites.

Juan Montoya confirmed, will probably see a Nextell cup race this season.
Danica Patrick still undecided.

[ftbllplr]

I
I can't stand it. My dad watches every lap and it pisses me off. Except for the crashes.

[issac]

How in the hell are they gonna count car racing as a sport, and not count professional wrestling? It pisses me off so much that people never count wrestling as a sport, it's not on the sports page in the newspaper, what is wrong with people?