Hip-Hop Thread

[KEALYBOY]

I created this thread as, personally, I'm pretty sick of the constant rock/metal/rock/metal format of topics on here and would like to discuss other genres, starting with rap. Additionally, I'll personally give 5 pounds to the rap-hating poster who can author the funniest 'lol rap sux lisun 2 real music like slipknot' type troll/sabotage response.

What are everyone's favourite hip hop artists and albums? Got any recommendations? Discovered anything noteworthy of late? News. Views. Interviews. Rumours. Etcetera. Also, anyone knew to the genre looking to get into it?

My personal favourite rap albums (everyone should find plenty to enjoy)

Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Nas - Illmatic
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers
Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die
Binary Star - Masters Of The Universe
Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back
Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle
K-Otix - Legendary
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
Black Star - Black Star

If this thread dies a slow death, well, at least I tried.

[AsHopeDies]

I'm with you dude, those are pretty good. I'll add some others but a few of yours are on my list also, Nas - Illmatic, Biggie - Ready to Die, and Wu-Tang, (I'm pretty much a sucker for NYC rap, if you can't already tell.)

Camp Lo - Uptown Saturday Night
Pharcyde - Bizare Ride II the Pharcyde
Atmosphere - Seven's Travels
Ohmega Watts - The Find
Gravediggaz and Flatlinaz stuff
Outkast - ATLiens
Dizzee Rascal - Boy in Da Corner
The Streets - Original Pirate Material

so yeah, Hip-Hop is amazing, but the commercial side of it reminds me of mall-punk and other pop genres. You've got talented artists rapping about intellectual things over some amazing beats that were actually produced and not sampled...and you really don't hear much about them. But you have guys like Jay-Z and 50 Cent that are on MTV more then anyone else, and people accept that as Hip Hop's finest. It makes no sense. Imagine if Linkin Park and fucking Fall Out Boy were perceived as Rock's finest, that would be prettly lame right? Then why is Hip Hop different? I don't get it.

[DrFrasierCrane]

The 10 best hip-hop albums

1) Nas - Illmatic
2) Madvillain - Madvillainy
3) Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
4) Dr. Dre - The Chronic
5) El-P - Fantastic Damage
6) De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
7) Mobb Deep - The Infamous
8) MF Doom - Vaudeville Villain
9) Mos Def and Talib Kweli - Black Star
10) Digable Planets - Blowout Comb

[Swiss-Men]

my favourite artists and albums are:

Three 6 Mafia (every Album ;-))
Gucci Mane (Trap House)
Xzibit (man vs. machine)
Dr.Dre (2001)
and much more, but there are only some good songs on the albums

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[reggie jax]

Favorite rap albums? I would say "too many to name" but there's never too many to name.

Great rap albums of the 80's:

1.) Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
2.) Public Enemy - Fear Of A Black Planet
3.) Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full
4.) De La Soul - 3 Feet High & Rising
5.) Slick Rick - Great Adventures Of Slick Rick
6.) NWA - Straight Outta Compton
7.) Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown
8.) Run DMC - Raisin Hell
9.) Kool G Rap - Road To Riches
10.) Big Daddy Kane - Long Live The Kane

Great rap albums of the 90's:

1.) Wu - 36 Chambers
2.) Raekwon - OB4CL
3.) Nas - Illmatic
4.) Mobb Deep - The Infamous
5.) GZA - Liquid Swords
6.) Common Sense - Ressurection
7.) Gang Starr - Hard To Earn
8.) ATCQ - Midnight Marauders
9.) Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda
10.) Dre - The Chronic
11.) Black Star - Black Star
12.) Biggie - Ready 2 Die
13.) Company Flow - Funcrusher Plus
14.) Redman - Dare Iz A Darkside
15.) Method Man - Tical
16.) Big L - Lifestyles Ov Da Poor & Dangerous
17.) Ol Dirty Bastard - Return To The 36 Chambers
18.) Fugees - The Score
19.) Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle
20.) Ice Cube - The Predator
21.) Mos Def - BOBS
22.) De La Soul - Stakes Is High
23.) Eminem - SSLP
24.) ATCQ - The Low End Theory
25.) Dr Octagon - Dr Octagonecologyst

Great rap albums of the 00's:

1.) Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
2.) Viktor Vaughn - Vaudeville Villain
3.) Talib Kweli & DJ Hi Tek - Reflection Eternal
4.) MF Doom - Operation: Doomsday
5.) Del - Deltron3030
6.) John Smith - Pinky's Laundromat
7.) Common - Like Water For Chocolate
8.) Eminem - MMLP
9.) Ghostface - Supreme Clientele
10.) Madvillain - Madvillainy

Not in order, just used the numbers to make it neat.

Seeing that you mostly like 90's rap, I'd reccomend you check out Organized Konfusion's album Stress: The Extinction Agenda and Redman - Dare Iz A Darkside. Strange shit, but good shit. Also for some westcoast goodness look into any pre-Lethal Injection Ice Cube. If you prefer the whole G-Funk thing then I guess try Too $hort.. never been my thing but anyone I know who is into G-Funk refers to Too $hort as a god among men.

[KEALYBOY]

I'm with you dude, those are pretty good. I'll add some others but a few of yours are on my list also, Nas - Illmatic, Biggie - Ready to Die, and Wu-Tang, (I'm pretty much a sucker for NYC rap, if you can't already tell.)

Camp Lo - Uptown Saturday Night
Pharcyde - Bizare Ride II the Pharcyde
Atmosphere - Seven's Travels
Ohmega Watts - The Find
Gravediggaz and Flatlinaz stuff
Outkast - ATLiens
Dizzee Rascal - Boy in Da Corner
The Streets - Original Pirate Material

so yeah, Hip-Hop is amazing, but the commercial side of it reminds me of mall-punk and other pop genres. You've got talented artists rapping about intellectual things over some amazing beats that were actually produced and not sampled...and you really don't hear much about them. But you have guys like Jay-Z and 50 Cent that are on MTV more then anyone else, and people accept that as Hip Hop's finest. It makes no sense. Imagine if Linkin Park and fucking Fall Out Boy were perceived as Rock's finest, that would be prettly lame right? Then why is Hip Hop different? I don't get it.


Good to see some UK rap on yer list, Dizze's awesome, I love the fucked up, distorted beats and witty social commentary, I grew up on a very similar area to him so I relate to a lot of what he talks about. I liked the Streets' concept album too, 'A Grand Don't Come For Free', though I've not heard 'Original Pirate Material'. Into any other British artists?

As for commercial rap, I can see your point, 50 Cent in particular pisses me off in that he lacks any kind of technique or flair or swagger or depth or intelligence at all and yet he seems to be hyped endlessly, I share the general sense of dissatisfaction.

Mind you, I'd say the situation in all modern music, not just rap, is like that; perceptions of 'the best' in all mainstream genres are pretty warped and unjust, largely due to idiotic music channels and bullshit magazines like NME and The Source playing to the mob and peddling small-minded, 'fasion' orientated agendas of art. I reckon though if you talk to someone that knows their shit, on either the rock or the rap camp, you get proper recoginition of talent, but such people are few and far between, I mean someone at college called Arctic Monkeys 'genius' today.

I think sampling is a modern artform with interesting possibilities when it's employed to create something provokative and original, but over-reliance on samples can be is repetitive and stale. Anyway, I'll check out the albums on your list I've not heard. :)

Seeing that you mostly like 90's rap, I'd reccomend you check out Organized Konfusion's album Stress: The Extinction Agenda and Redman - Dare Iz A Darkside. Strange shit, but good shit. Also for some westcoast goodness look into any pre-Lethal Injection Ice Cube. If you prefer the whole G-Funk thing then I guess try Too $hort.. never been my thing but anyone I know who is into G-Funk refers to Too $hort as a god among men.

Consider it done. Often for me, 'strange shit' = 'good shit' anyway. I have AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted on CD, and I do like G-Funk, especially Warren G.

[KEALYBOY]

Living Legends, Zion I, Heiro, and One Block Radius. If you're interested in hearin anything, tell me and I'll post some stuff up.

Any of that lot sounds good to me.

[el_real_madrazo]

does anyone like the roots? i also like most of what has been mentioned in the previous posts, though i haven't heard of some of the artists. i like the usual rap and hiphop you'll hear on the radio but i've become interested in prograssive rap and all that, i love it, dizzee rascal is cool too. i'm surprised no one has mentioned tupac, maybe i missed it, i don't know. i'd say he's one of the fav rapeprs of all time.

[AsHopeDies]

To me, and it's just an opinion, Tupac is like the Kurt Cobain of rap. In so many ways it's uncanny. Widely liked while alive, but after death, claimed to be genius, thousands of kids wearing t-shirts with just their faces and books of their poetry making best seller lists. Does this mean they are bad musicians? No, I own Nirvana and Tupac stuff. But it does leave a bit of a sour taste in my mouth concerning them. How people ohh and ahh over them and claim they are the best musicians to ever walk the earth kind of turns me off.

[Darkman57]

Hip Hop USED to be awesome however now it seems to be way to showey and overated....now i love rap and hip hop dont get me wrong but now i rarely hear a any good ones.

[KEALYBOY]

To me, and it's just an opinion, Tupac is like the Kurt Cobain of rap.

Wow, that is pretty amazing, I was gonna type the exact same thing in my previous post as an example of overhype but edited it out.

[el_real_madrazo]

To me, and it's just an opinion, Tupac is like the Kurt Cobain of rap. In so many ways it's uncanny. Widely liked while alive, but after death, claimed to be genius, thousands of kids wearing t-shirts with just their faces and books of their poetry making best seller lists. Does this mean they are bad musicians? No, I own Nirvana and Tupac stuff. But it does leave a bit of a sour taste in my mouth concerning them. How people ohh and ahh over them and claim they are the best musicians to ever walk the earth kind of turns me off.

but i was a huge fan when he was alive too, though i was very young, and was for a short period of time, i still loved his music. i was very sad when i found out he had recently gotten killed, so the fact that he died didn't cause me to idolize him, i was pretty much into him already, but i'm sure you're right about some other people.

[reggie jax]

The first I ever heard of 2pac was in the late 90's when "Changes" was a big hit.. I was just then getting into rap and I really liked the song and a couple weeks later someone told me he was dead. So I liked him after he was already dead but before I knew he was dead. I never really went back and listened to his old albums until recently thanks to the internet.. I'm no huge fan but I show respect where respect is due.

@ el real, I love The Roots. One of my favorite groups that I must've forgot when listing albums.

[el_real_madrazo]

cool, one of my all time favorite songs by them is 'what they do' its so smooth, do you have any favorite songs by them in particular?

[YouEnjoyMyself]

Blazing Arrow - Blackalicious
Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030 (Del The Funky Homosapien)
Chronic 2001 - Dr. Dre
Revolutionary Vol. I - Immortal Technique
College Dropout / Late Registration - Kanye West
Illmatic - Nas
Phrenology - The Roots
Revolutionary But Gangsta - Dead Prez

To name a few....

[AsHopeDies]

oh yeah guys, don't get me wrong. Like I said, I enjoy Tupac, own some of his records. I basically was just responding to you being surprised nobody had listed him yet, pretty much saying why I think they might not be listing him. And I'm not sure that he has the one standout album like some of these others, more of a steady strong body of work.

[el_real_madrazo]

i believe its on Illadephia Half Life, its awesome, when i hear it i picture myself going on a long bus ride through a large busy city, looking at the cars go and people walking, it has a great jazzy beat and great flow, in my opinion. you should hear it if you haven't already.

[Joey Orion]

Beanie Sigel - The B. Coming
Bone Thugs n Harmony - East1999Eternal
DJ Quik - Safe+Sound
DJ Quik - Quik is Tha Name
Luniz - Operation Stackola
Krayzie Bone - Thug Mentality 1999
Notorious B.I.G. - Life After Death
Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle
Warren G - Regulate... G Funk Era
Westside Connection - Bow Down
DJ Quik - Rhythmalism
Busta Rhymes - Extinction Level Event
Busta Rhymes - When Disaster Strikes
RZA - Bobby Digital
Ice T - Power

[reggie jax]

I don't whether it's my abosolute favorite but I'm inclined to say The Lesson Pt 1. off Do You Want More?!!!??!

[Ebark69]

Very easy anything wu tang clan went to see them a few weeks ago in ft lauderdale and orlando by far the best rap group with the best cd. few others. Dont even put 3 6 mafia in the same list as wu tang not even on the same level. Or any of the same laffy taffy grillz garbage.

Wu tang clan- by far the best
NWA
Dre
Mos Def
Talib Kwali
Beastie Boys
Busta
Old Snoop

[KEALYBOY]

Yo, Only Built 4 Cuban Links by Raekwon, motherfucking dope record...

[reggie jax]

I rank it as the best Wu "solo" album to date..

And that's saying a lot cause as cliche and dated as it may sound, Wu Tang is a whole other realm of rap music.. it's like they're their own sub-genre. I have favorite west coast records, favorite east coast records... favorite old school records, favorite new school records.. favorite gangsta records, favorite conscious records... and then I have favorite Wu Tang records. Anyone not familiar with thier shit is like a hip hop virgin.

[Goatman]

I love hip-hop... I'll list my favorite emcees and albums...

MF Doom - Operation: Doomsday
- (as Viktor Vaughn) Vaudeville Villain

Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx

Method Man - Tical

Ol' Dirty Bastard (R.I.P.) - Return to the 36 Chambers

Ghostface Killah - Ironman
- Supreme Clientele

Atmosphere - Lucy Ford
- At Overcast!

Big L (R.I.P.) - Lifestylez ov Da Poor and Dangerous

Notorious B.I.G. (R.I.P.) - Ready To Die

Company Flow - Funcrusher Plus

De La Soul - Stakes is High

The Roots - Home Grown (2 Disc greatest hits, don't have any of their albums)

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - The Art Of War
- E 1999 Eternal

These are just some of my favorite albums... as you can tell I am a HUGE fan of Wu-Tang... I'm also into lots of underground.

[Just Spurplin]

I also like Tupac, but I often wonder if Biggie died before Tupac, would he be considered the greatest rapper of all time the way Tupac is? When ya look at their albums as a whole, Biggies were better, but he often takes the number two spot to Tupac. Or if someone like Rakim died after a couple albums, would EVERYONE know who he is, not just real rap fans. Im a fan of Tupac and think he had some very poetic songs, but his death really pushed his status up a lot.

Some of the albums i like

Mos Def- Black and Blue on Both Sides (my favorite)
Nas- Illmatic
The Roots- Illadelph Halflife
Rakim- Paid in Full
N.W.A.- Straight Outta Compton
Eminem- Marshal Mathers LP
Tupac- Dont really care for his albums, i listen to individual songs on a burned cd
Talib Kweli- Reflection Eternal
Black Star

[Goatman]

I also like Tupac, but I often wonder if Biggie died before Tupac, would he be considered the greatest rapper of all time the way Tupac is? When ya look at their albums as a whole, Biggies were better, but he often takes the number two spot to Tupac. Or if someone like Rakim died after a couple albums, would EVERYONE know who he is, not just real rap fans. Im a fan of Tupac and think he had some very poetic songs, but his death really pushed his status up a lot.

Some of the albums i like

Mos Def- Black and Blue on Both Sides (my favorite)
Nas- Illmatic
The Roots- Illadelph Halflife
Rakim- Paid in Full
N.W.A.- Straight Outta Compton
Eminem- Marshal Mathers LP
Tupac- Dont really care for his albums, i listen to individual songs on a burned cd
Talib Kweli- Reflection Eternal
Black Star

Don't you mean Black On Both Sides? :rolleyes:

[reggie jax]

I also like Tupac, but I often wonder if Biggie died before Tupac, would he be considered the greatest rapper of all time the way Tupac is? When ya look at their albums as a whole, Biggies were better, but he often takes the number two spot to Tupac. Or if someone like Rakim died after a couple albums, would EVERYONE know who he is, not just real rap fans. Im a fan of Tupac and think he had some very poetic songs, but his death really pushed his status up a lot.Well to be fair Biggie has like 2 albums to Tupac's 7 that he released before death (he might even have more, right now I can only think of 7 official studio albums). Biggie's debut is by far better than any Tupac album.. but at the same time look at how much shit Pac wrote... he obviously took less time to make music and consenquentially payed less attention to fine tuning and small details.. that's why when your listening to pac's shit you'll hear a lot of repetition of certain rhymes and phrases throughout different songs. Usually it deteriorates the quality of his music but once in a while his "I don't give a fuck" approach really payed off. I heard somehwere that he wrote Hail Mary in like 30 minutes.. and if you ask me that's actually one of his best songs.

[IsItLiquidOrICE]

I also like Tupac, but I often wonder if Biggie died before Tupac, would he be considered the greatest rapper of all time the way Tupac is? When ya look at their albums as a whole, Biggies were better, but he often takes the number two spot to Tupac. Or if someone like Rakim died after a couple albums, would EVERYONE know who he is, not just real rap fans. Im a fan of Tupac and think he had some very poetic songs, but his death really pushed his status up a lot.



Keep in mind that Biggie released two albums. An the deat of Tupac and Biggie pushed BOTH of their status up while bringing it down at the same time. TUpac could've made another couple of classic records if he hadn't of been murdered, and so could've Biggie.

Favorite ALbums:

Reasonable DOubt0 Jay Z (Not to many people mention this album, I think its great)
Illmatic-Nas
COllege Dropout/Late Registration- Kanye West (Huge Kanye mark, I'll admit it)
Eneter the 36 CHambers- Wu Tang Clan
Reflection Eternal- Talib Kweli

[YouEnjoyMyself]

Ah yes, I keep forgeting about 36 chambers.

[reggie jax]

Keep in mind that Biggie released two albums. An the deat of Tupac and Biggie pushed BOTH of their status up while bringing it down at the same time. TUpac could've made another couple of classic records if he hadn't of been murdered, and so could've Biggie.

Favorite ALbums:

Reasonable DOubt0 Jay Z (Not to many people mention this album, I think its great)
Illmatic-Nas
COllege Dropout/Late Registration- Kanye West (Huge Kanye mark, I'll admit it)
Eneter the 36 CHambers- Wu Tang Clan
Reflection Eternal- Talib KweliReasonable Doubt is great.. people are just scared to like a commercial rapper.

[KEALYBOY]

Reasonable Doubt is great.. people are just scared to like a commercial rapper.

I downloaded The Blueprint, thought it was fucking rubbish.

Went to the museum today; they have an 'urban' zone now, all about how black people live and with supposed examples of black music provided (in the the shape of 50 Cent, Bob Marley and Ludacris). Patronising, politically correct tosh, but kinda funny.

[reggie jax]

Download RD...

I'm used to shit like that. Like black history month.. every year we get to read about the nigga that invented peanut butter.

[KEALYBOY]

Download RD...

I'm used to shit like that. Like black history month.. every year we get to read about the nigga that invented peanut butter.

I'll download RD once I get listening to all the (20) unheard albums I've got on hard drive and CD...

I was irritated because of the politically correct absurdity of it, but I'd have thought black folks would find it kind of patronising, showroom dummy kitted out in FUBU, 50 Cent blasting, they even had a Nokia mobile phone in a glass case as an example of 'urban' tool. 'Urban' is the new politically correct word for 'nigga', seemingly.

[bluesheep]

I've been listening to alot of Wu-Tang lately, I find their newer shit is a bit better than the older stuff. My prefered member is GZA.

[reggie jax]

they even had a Nokia mobile phone in a glass case as an example of 'urban' tool. 'Urban' is the new politically correct word for 'nigga', seemingly.You ever watch The Boondocks on Adult Swim? It's not as god as the comic strip but still pretty funny. That reminds me of this quote from one of the episodes:


Gin Rummy: Let's go, Ed.

Wuncler III: Hold up, my nigga. Hold up.

Gin Rummy: Go time, nigga! Let's go!

Wuncler III: I sent that bitch a smiley face. Bitches love smiley faces.

Gin Rummy: Man, I don't get that.

Wuncler III: What?

Gin Rummy: That "texting" shit.

Wuncler III: What's wrong with texting?

Gin Rummy: Oh, you mean other than the fact that it's the stupidest fucking thing in the world? Who in their right mind would spend fifteen minutes trying to type some shit they could have called and said in five seconds? Plus, it involves typing with your thumbs, which I just don't approve of. I don't know about you, but I don't have time to read something that a motherfucker typed with his thumbs. Fun Fact: Nothing typed by somebody's thumbs has ever been important. It's all just nigga technology, anyway.

Wuncler III: What'd you call it?

Gin Rummy: Nigga Technology. Technology for niggas, and don't start trippin' and shit, calling me a racist, because I don't mean "nigga" in a disrespectful way. I mean it as a general term for an ignorant motherfucker. Anybody, of any race, can be an ignorant motherfucker.

Wuncler III: Shit, I be texting my ass of. Shit, bitches like texting. I be texting 'em all the time. Matter of fact, I also be texting my weed man, too, cause, you know, he don't like to be on the phone, so I text him.

Gin Rummy: ...Case in point.What makes it really funny when you're watching the show is that it's two rich white kids.

[reggie jax]

Here's some rap videos I found on google:

Madvillain - Rhinestone Cowboy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1087091140382396844&q=mf+doom

Cannibal Ox - Painkillers
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3253506514633354068&q=cannibal+ox

GZA & DJ Muggs - General Principals
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8092572268246627172&q=gza

Atmosphere - Trying To Find A Balance
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7102997885437166178&q=atmosphere

Blackstar - Respiration
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2583409432274041137&q=blackstar

Eminem ft. Dr. Dre - Guilty Conscience
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6263147247522729502&q=eminem

[Just Spurplin]

Well, for all rap fans, i highly recommend Dave Chappelles Block Part. Had some great performances there. Its mostly just them performing too. Id say like 80%-20%, music to comedy. The Roots and Dead Prez gave awesome performances.

[reggie jax]

I can't stand Dead Prez. Sorry just had to mention that. I'm definitely gonna check out Dave's shit though.

[IsItLiquidOrICE]

I can't stand Dead Prez. Sorry just had to mention that. I'm definitely gonna check out Dave's shit though.

Haha I really like Dead Prez but I do get sick of their "anti-establishment/fuck mainstream" type attitude. It's almost as if theyre trying to use reverse physcology and get the radio to play their songs by saying "FUck radio."


Anyone looking forward to Busta's new album? I'm really craving that becdause he seems to be on top of his game and going back to that feirce Busta that we see on his guest spots.

[YouEnjoyMyself]

Oh yeah, seeing that you're online LOI, just wanted to say you're not alone for being a Kanye fan.

I know it's become quite popular to bash him lately.

[reggie jax]

Haha I really like Dead Prez but I do get sick of their "anti-establishment/fuck mainstream" type attitude. It's almost as if theyre trying to use reverse physcology and get the radio to play their songs by saying "FUck radio."


Anyone looking forward to Busta's new album? I'm really craving that becdause he seems to be on top of his game and going back to that feirce Busta that we see on his guest spots.To me, Dead Prez are the types of rappers who get hyped for being revolutionaries and that's how they gain their fanbase.. but their music always tends to become an afterthought. I too got sucked into their image at one point and time..

Plus you know they are really racist. I always wonder how I can see so many white people bumpin Dead Prez while Dead Prez talks about how much they can't stand white people.

[Mad Rad]

Metal head or not 2Pac was the shit.

[Tha_Dynasty]

my favorite rapper and albumz are:
2Pac- All Albumz(except for part of tha Loyal To The Game album becuz I found out that some of tha songz were not even made by 2pac.....Eminem jsut pasted his voice over the song to make it sound like him.......I thought that was WHACK.........

Lil Wayne- All Albumz

[Mad Rad]

Im pretty much a metal lover but I have to say 2Pac was not some power rapper like some others I know. His music had soul.

[Watusa]

The reason why 2pac is so heavily idolized is because of the man he was when you put his music aside. No rapper ever amounted to half the man he was. Every rapper sticks to their rap, making money and getting women. 2pac was a poet, a rapper, an actor, civil rights speaker, children community helper and much much more. Yeah of course there are rappers more talented than him like Rakim for example, but a lot of Pac's shit came straight from the heart and he held his ground and died for his beliefs. All Rakim used to rap about was how good he was on the mic. And whoever said Biggie outsold 2pac in his debut, wrong... Ready to Die is 4x platinum up to date while All Eyez On Me is Diamond. Ready to Die was out for about a year before All Eyez on Me was dropped and 2pac had already outsold it within months. What many people didn't know about Pac was he had plans of only dropping a deep record once every 5 years and opening up a Children's School of Arts while in prison but Suge Knight came and messed it all up.


With that said, my favorite rap albums...

2pac: All Eyez On Me, Me Against the World, 7 Day Theory
BIG: Life After Death, Ready to Die
Nas: Stillmatic
Rakim: The 18th Letter, Follow the Leader
Bone Thugs: E. 1999 Eternal, Art of War
Dre: The Chronic
Big Pun: Capital Punishment

[reggie jax]

I don't remember anyone saying R2D outsold any of Pac's albums.. but I personally said that R2D is BETTER than any Pac album.

[Borg 2]

I don't remember anyone saying R2D outsold any of Pac's albums.. but I personally said that R2D is BETTER than any Pac album.

listen to some real music for a change

[reggie jax]

In other news: Borg 2 still has a boner for reggie jax. Experts are unsure the cause of the mysterious online hard-on, but they say it's quite the long lasting and persistant spectacle. Borg 2 shows no signs of wising up nor taking this rejection in stride.

[Marchosias]

Im pretty much a metal lover but I have to say 2Pac was not some power rapper like some others I know. His music had soul.

I'm the same. I'm into metal, but I like some hip hop. I listen to 2pac all the time but then some crazy shit like Dillinger Escape Plan. People think its odd that I listen to music that's so different but I get bored listening to the same thing all the time

[KEALYBOY]

I don't remember anyone saying R2D outsold any of Pac's albums.. but I personally said that R2D is BETTER than any Pac album.

Yeah, but the scum equates the two, silly boy that he is. As for 'Adult Swim', I've no fucking clue what it is...

I'm the same. I'm into metal, but I like some hip hop. I listen to 2pac all the time but then some crazy shit like Dillinger Escape Plan. People think its odd that I listen to music that's so different but I get bored listening to the same thing all the time

Try blasting some Tudor choral music, really sombre and haunting, then follow it with some motherfucking G shit or death metal, I do it often and it gets a great response.

[Ebark69]

Wu tang Clan
Dre
Roots
Talib and Mos def
The streets

[KEALYBOY]

AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted - what a fuckin' album...

[Takeoff]

Tech N9ne...the only name you need to hear in hip hop

[reggie jax]

Really don't get all the hype surrounding tech.. can you reccomend an album?

[KEALYBOY]

Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II on the way, should be fun...

[DrFrasierCrane]

The first one was overrated..

[reggie jax]

Your mother...

[KEALYBOY]

What a beacon of development for the negro race - still resorts to 'your mom' jokes. I love how the one time that Jax debated with another black guy on this forum the other one's instant reaction (after being proved logically wrong) was to question whether he was white, as though intelligence is a non-black trait - stereotypes are reinforced - the prisoners hug their chains...

[KEALYBOY]

Some serious debate for y'all....

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16309

[reggie jax]

What a beacon of development for the negro race - still resorts to 'your mom' jokes. I love how the one time that Jax debated with another black guy on this forum the other one's instant reaction (after being proved logically wrong) was to question whether he was white, as though intelligence is a non-black trait - stereotypes are reinforced - the prisoners hug their chains...The "negro race" is an illusion... invented by white europeans to justify hate and social darwinism..

[Takeoff]

Really don't get all the hype surrounding tech.. can you reccomend an album?

Absolute Power

if you're into piracy check out the song Industry is Punks...many great ones

http://www.therealtechn9ne.com/Pages/Video.html

^has a couple video clips

but really, what's the hype? I like his music because he takes his influences from all kinds of music...and no, he doesn't rap over rock or anything but, it gives him a versatility that I think is missing in most hip hop artists. Versatility isn't everything but it does break away a lot of acts from the mainstream because they in fact don't drone in the same voice or same speed for 6 albums...or even on a single track for that matter...

[reggie jax]

I just heard his named dropped alot but every time I heard him he's been so-so.. I dunno i'll probably check out the album you reccomended eventually.

As for hip hop... at the moment i'm bumpin 2pac's "Strictly 4 My NIGGAZ" album. Last Wordz!

[Pig]

Wow...


Tupac is the greatest rapper of all time. Only a few can even be compared but not on realist level.

Everyones saying shit about how his death pushed his status, he didn't give a fuck about sales, he came on and wrote songs in 7 minutes in the studio, his shit came from his head not like Biggies which was basically Puffy taking anything he wrote and mixing it with a bunch of gay beats.

His death was a shame, he planned on so much shit, I agree with the Suge Knight comment, that fat bastard brainwashed him. Tupac's lyrics really go deep and give you a true view on his life and many others.

Now, as for albums

Tupac- Just about everyone except Loyal 2 the Game-

[KEALYBOY]

The "negro race" is an illusion... invented by white europeans to justify hate and social darwinism..

Invented by our social conditioners, and reinforced and instilled by the ignorant that hug their shackles. 95% of black people that I went to school with really did unkowingly view ignorance and a negative attitude towards success as 'black' traits: to them it was all about who had the best phone, the best trainers, who conformed best to ideals of appearance, who best reflected the default negro belief template, who listened to the 'latest', not the best music, in essence who had the narrowest world view.

They were all either wouldbe gangsters or brainwashed fundamentalist Christians, and any clever black dude that evaluated his opinions, who thought in any depth about the world, that formed his own views on God outside of mainstream religion, that listened to music outside of G Unit, who didn't watch MTV Base, who had a 'brick phone', was 'trying to be white', that's what I mean by blacks reinforcing stereotypes and accepting roles, and that's why I found it funny that your fellow kaffir on this forum so brilliantly demonstrated my point.

My man Crane was called a 'traitor' by his thick honkey pals for listening to Nas - he cried for weeks.

The Matrix is a nice metaphor for reality - people are lost in the haze of delusion, ignorance really is bliss; I mean look at Santa Claus, a blatant lie (invented by Coca-Cola) that parents are happy to pass on to their own flesh and blood, just because the big corporations tell them to through the media. The 'magic of Christmas' is nothing more than a clever scheme that uses people's misguided religious convictions and innate sense of traditionalism to give sanctity to materialism and increase profits, a pawn in the game of those that wish to enslave us, but people enforce it, they really fucking buy into that crap, even scorning parents as 'miserly' that don't go to ridiculous excesses in bestowing disposable bullshit upon their children.

I love the way they misconstrue and rework old myths (The Bible) and literature (A Christmas Carol) to suit their cause and give it that sense of firmly established foundation, of comfortable tradition that people want to keep. 'Negro race' is far from the only lie peddled in our culture, it's the tip of the iceberg sonny.

Why do rappers endorse designer labels in songs? Do they not see they are giving free advertising to the corporations whose practices they supposedly oppose, endorsing a lifestyle and attitude that keeps society in the dark ages and oppresses us?

Little of this is on topic (as usual), blame it on 'irony', but you seemed to request the red pill. :ohnoes: :ohnoes: :boink: :raiseeyeb :ahhh: :preachon: :dunce:

[reggie jax]

Since you had a nice little rant I'll have one of my own..

That "black folks are ignorant" speech is old news to me.. people in general have a group-think mentality.. black people aren't an exception. Right now it's cool to be a gangsta.. it's cool to be materialistic.. it's cool to degrade women and be a pimp. It's pure trendiness.. some just confuse it as a race issue but it's not.. blacks aren't represented by this stereotype because our skins black.. it's cause to justify that kinda behavior you have to be viewed as the underdog. Nobody think's it's cool for some white kid at harvard to brag about his money.. it's only cool when it's some grimey rapper who, by making himself rich and his corperate sponsors richer, is somehow "sticking it to the man." People want to believe that "the white man" DOESN'T want us to buy that throwback jersey or that cellphone.. cause it gives them the illusion that they are rebelling while maintaining a hedonistic lifestyle. The hippies had it right I think.. fuck rewarding yourself with fancy clothes, reward yourself with the most basic of human pleasures and for the icing on the cake, make sure to not care or feel any guilt for letting yourself feel good. Too bad disease has ruined promiscuity and money has ruined drugs..

What I don't get is, why is it such a bad thing that Christmas is a corporate holiday? People act like for a holiday to be special it has to carry some deep meaning and shit.. fuck that as long as everyone's having a good time it's serving it's purpose. I like Christmas cause I like giving and getting presents.. I like everyone acting all cheerful.. I like going up to my folks house and seeing my family. Do people get rich off christmas? Hell yeah, but who cares? Why is someone elses prosperity such a negative thing? I mean unless you're a christian and think modern day christmas is an abomination to your savior.. then ok yeah I see why you're pissed.. but if not then what's the problem?

It's just like thanksgiving. Why do I have to cry for the indians? Why do we even have to drag the whole "pilgrim vs indian" mess into this holiday? Can't we just eat turkey and have a good time? Shit. Why must the 4th of July be tainted by corny ass pro-American cliches and shitty country songs? Just light the fireworks and shut the fuck up already. Why is halloween feared by ultra-christians? Since when is free candy immoral and devilish? Only major holiday I don't give a shit about is Easter. Honestly can't find any bright side to that one.

[bones II]

hey guys.. check this out.. really cheap...

http://www.tightrope.cc/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_www-lynch-a-nigger-com1.jpg

[supermanthony]

1)dizzee rascal - showtime
2)dizzee rascal - boy in da corner
3)bubba sparxxx - deliverance
4)bubba sparxxx- dark days bright nights
5)kanye west - college dropout
6)kanye west - late registration
7)D12 - D12 world
8)Memphis Bleek - 534
9)chamillionaire - the sound of revenge
10)Stat quo - statlanta

(not in order)

so glad noone has put 50 cent anywhere!! hes horrible. the diplomats too. except for cam'ron, i guess hes cool... with the pink n purple n all...paul wall too... but not nelly!

[KEALYBOY]

Since you had a nice little rant I'll have one of my own..

That "black folks are ignorant" speech is old news to me.. people in general have a group-think mentality.. black people aren't an exception. Right now it's cool to be a gangsta.. it's cool to be materialistic.. it's cool to degrade women and be a pimp. It's pure trendiness.. some just confuse it as a race issue but it's not.. blacks aren't represented by this stereotype because our skins black.. it's cause to justify that kinda behavior you have to be viewed as the underdog. Nobody think's it's cool for some white kid at harvard to brag about his money.. it's only cool when it's some grimey rapper who, by making himself rich and his corperate sponsors richer, is somehow "sticking it to the man." People want to believe that "the white man" DOESN'T want us to buy that throwback jersey or that cellphone.. cause it gives them the illusion that they are rebelling while maintaining a hedonistic lifestyle. The hippies had it right I think.. fuck rewarding yourself with fancy clothes, reward yourself with the most basic of human pleasures and for the icing on the cake, make sure to not care or feel any guilt for letting yourself feel good. Too bad disease has ruined promiscuity and money has ruined drugs..

What I don't get is, why is it such a bad thing that Christmas is a corporate holiday? People act like for a holiday to be special it has to carry some deep meaning and shit.. fuck that as long as everyone's having a good time it's serving it's purpose. I like Christmas cause I like giving and getting presents.. I like everyone acting all cheerful.. I like going up to my folks house and seeing my family. Do people get rich off christmas? Hell yeah, but who cares? Why is someone elses prosperity such a negative thing? I mean unless you're a christian and think modern day christmas is an abomination to your savior.. then ok yeah I see why you're pissed.. but if not then what's the problem?

It's just like thanksgiving. Why do I have to cry for the indians? Why do we even have to drag the whole "pilgrim vs indian" mess into this holiday? Can't we just eat turkey and have a good time? Shit. Why must the 4th of July be tainted by corny ass pro-American cliches and shitty country songs? Just light the fireworks and shut the fuck up already. Why is halloween feared by ultra-christians? Since when is free candy immoral and devilish? Only major holiday I don't give a shit about is Easter. Honestly can't find any bright side to that one.

Regarding your latest racial slur (reported), I know people have gang mentality anyway, but seeing as you raised the issue of 'negro race' it was a good example of people being indoctrinated - it reminds me of a Rage Against The Machine line 'what you need is what they selling, trying to make you think that buying's rebelling'. Hardly Shakespeare, but, apt.

With folks at my gaffe, 'white' meant challenging what they were told, being open minded, questioning, analysing, anything other than passively accepting shit, they either lapped up the church bullshit or the gangsta mentality, I remember one friend not talking to me for weeks because I questioned him about how he knew their was a God, that's the shit I'm talking about. Go on the black chat forums, WuTang message board, see for yourself, there is a definite culture of ignorance.

Christmas being a corporate holiday is a bad thing because it instils in little kids that the way to happiness is materialism, at the expense of creativity, emotional expression, human kindness, fulfillment of potential or art, it says that you show how you feel for someone by buying them disposable material goods, which you know is bullshit, and it encourages unsustainable 'throwaway' culture. It spoils children, it moulds kids into greedy, money-centred, conformist, conceited, arrogant louts, it acts as a social conditioning agent, presents reflect the child's supposed role in the world. In the long run it causes littering, pollution, spitefulness, greed, stupidity and breeds the generation of scum that we all went to/go to school with.

Case in point - a little kid I know got one present last year, made by his father, a shitty wooden soldier's fort, now, my sisters got about 20, all revolving around fashion and fucking 'girl things' - who do you think was more grateful, and will grow into a better person? The females, being conditioned as shallow sex objects (another stereotype that's reinforced) or the lad whose father showed him he really cared for him by taking the time and effort to make his present? Well the 20 presents were soon forgotten, lost in the background, but the lad still treasures that fort.

Anyway, the utter hypocrysy of religion and your festivals is astounding. Take The Ten Commandments, everyone that didn't accept Moses's demands, issued with no evidence at all, was fucking slain. Thanksgiving - the Indian's country was raped and stolen. They are given this higher plateau so folks can delude themselves that there is some sort of greater meaning at play, which comes from the Protestant/Quaker worth ethic, the austere lifestyle, pleasure is bad, that's seaped into culture where folks feel they have to justify holidays. Halloween is hated by Christian extremists because they are ignorant fucking scum - simple as - they don't understand that the devil and God would be different aspects of the same entity that created us all, heavens no, if he created us in his own image and there is evil and good in us then surely... When we appeal to God we appeal to the goodness in us all. But can they grasp this? No. They believe in fucking devils and ghosties. They hate Halloween as it revels in the side they like to keep locked away, the beast inside them that they run from, fucking scones.

Dwelling on females, so much bullshit is sold as being 'feminine', and they accept it, we as a society accept it, it sickens me. Apparently a 'typical girl' judges herself by popularity, appearance (the ideal look that's fed to them) and hates 'wyrd people lol' and, increasingly, men, basically everything that prevents women's social development is 'appropriate' for them, and they allow it. In China, they used to break the bones in women's feet as it was 'feminine' - metaphorically applicable to our culture. Also, what's with this backlash towards men in the media - if a woman hits a man on TV it's 'funny', if a man hits a woman it's domestic violence.

A paedophile might think it 'fun' to rape little kids, just cause it's fun it's not right, pleasure is not everything, there are higher pleasures and lower pleasures - I'd take the joy of completing a symphony or of exposing the flaw in someone's argument over an orgasm with a Romanian crack whore any day. You remind me of a fucking utilitarian; seriously think it over, if life was unending pleasure it would cease to be pleasure, there'd be no 'good times', it would be unending hellish mediocrity, no room for expression or achievement or individuality, it's the bad times and the bastards that make us feel superior that make life worth living - is that all you want from life - instant gratification? Have you no ambition, no love for knowledge, no desire to express yourself? Analysis, my friend, is the most beautiful gift to humanity. I suggest you read Alduous Huxley's 'Brave New World', very very thought-provoking.

[reggie jax]

Hold the phone.. what racial slur?

As for your latter point.. I'm not arguing for complete instant gratification lifestyle.. I'm arguing that holidays about instant gratification aren't necessarily bad. Holidays are supposed to be about "getting away from it all," in my mind, and that could mean different things to different people. To get away from it all for me.. I prefer to get to be with my family and not really give a fuck about the history of a holiday or the sacredness of the holiday.. just enjoy the ritual or don't participate. If someone else wants to paint a portrait instead of hanging with their folks and exchanging presents.. good for them.. but personally I find senseless fun and pleasure refreshing as long as it's used in moderation. It's not about the gift.. you aren't supposed to look back in fondness at that sweater you got that one christmas..you're supposed to look back in fondness at the fact that you had someone to give you a sweater.

As for "higher pleasures and lower pleasures," that's incredibly elitist to tell the truth. There are things that people shouldn't take pleasure in ideally, like making others suffer, but still, our human "morals" aside, joy is joy no matter what the means. What things bring more joy is subjective and only measurable on an individual level. To me.. music brings me a lot of joy. As for clothes.. I couldn't care less. But flip the script and ask a teenage girl the same thing and she might reply with the opposite, that clothes make her feel good and that music doesn't do much for her. Neither of these are a higher form of pleasure, art and expression can be found in practically ANYTHING.

[pacaveli]

1)dizzee rascal - showtime
2)dizzee rascal - boy in da corner
3)bubba sparxxx - deliverance
4)bubba sparxxx- dark days bright nights
5)kanye west - college dropout
6)kanye west - late registration
7)D12 - D12 world
8)Memphis Bleek - 534
9)chamillionaire - the sound of revenge
10)Stat quo - statlanta

(not in order)

so glad noone has put 50 cent anywhere!! hes horrible. the diplomats too. except for cam'ron, i guess hes cool... with the pink n purple n all...paul wall too... but not nelly!

i dunno where to begin, first off, im not a fan of dizzee rascal, just because his voice and beats generally bother me. bubba sparxx doesn't impress me very much either, Kanye's first album was good, but his new one isn't nearly as good as the first, chamillionaire i haven't heard so no comment, and stat quo is overhyped and not that great.

anyone hear listen to guru(and gangstarr), mack 10, tonedeff, cunnilyquist(deffinatly spelled that wrong), red cafe, .40 cal, DJ quik, warren G. I love all that kinda g funk era rap, and then anything thats good i like in general.


edit(just gonna rant for a second) i hate people who steal peoples opiinon, like Nelly sucks, 50 cent sucks, commons overrated, ect... although 50 and nelly do suck, most people who say that like some of their songs, and common is underrated if anything.

Kanye West is over rated, most of what u heard on the radio is overrated, im not saying underground is better than radio, im saying fuck if it's udnerground or radio, but god damnit, if u listen to "pop rap" and tink you have a valid opinon on rap or hip hop, please please don't respond to me

[reggie jax]

Anyone got a retail copy of fishscale yet? Came out like a week ago but we still haven't got it down here.

[KEALYBOY]

As for "higher pleasures and lower pleasures," that's incredibly elitist to tell the truth. There are things that people shouldn't take pleasure in ideally, like making others suffer, but still, our human "morals" aside, joy is joy no matter what the means. What things bring more joy is subjective and only measurable on an individual level. To me.. music brings me a lot of joy. As for clothes.. I couldn't care less. But flip the script and ask a teenage girl the same thing and she might reply with the opposite, that clothes make her feel good and that music doesn't do much for her. Neither of these are a higher form of pleasure, art and expression can be found in practically ANYTHING.

I have collected evidence regarding your racial slur Jax, don't act all innocent...

It's not elitist at all, it's the truth: pleasures have different qualities, sustainable, creative pleasures are, logically, higher - this doesn't mean lower pleasures are immoral or intrinsically bad or any shit like that, just that higher pleasures are more beneficial in themselves regardless of how much actual pleasure they hold.

As for clothes, it's those that make a point of wearing designer labels and view those that don't as inferior that piss me off, those that will judge people largely on how they look, that I refer to, same as those that regard music as fashion. Fashion generally is a bullshit concept designed to control us.

Anyway, Prodigy from Mobb Deep has a G Unit tatoo. What a cunt.

[DrFrasierCrane]

Anyone got a retail copy of fishscale yet? Came out like a week ago but we still haven't got it down here.

Yes, I've got a copy of Fishscale. And by 'got a copy', I mean I illegaly downloaded it from Soulseek. It's pretty good but it's spoiled by weak production in parts..

[KEALYBOY]

Yes, I've got a copy of Fishscale. And by 'got a copy', I mean I illegaly downloaded it from Soulseek...

The only fucking way my brother, the only way...

[god-dammit]

here are some great underground cats

jedi mind tricks- i like everything they have done butviolent by design is def the best album of theres

apathy- eastern philosphy or its the bootleg mother fuckers, both good albums

styles of beyond- great hip hop group that many people have heard but never paid attetion to ( featured on fort minor, various video games and commercials)

demigodz- this is apathy and styles and other great mcs

army of the pharoes- if you like any of the above you will love this demigodz plus jedi mind and others form this supergroup

k-os - anything this guy does turns to gold 9plays guitar sings raps- all around talented musician)

cant go wrong with some tribe called quest

if you like a more reggae feel check out roots manuva- he has the reggae voice but good beats not that cheesy dub music though

mf doom is great but i dont think he is for everyone

also i know some people hate on them but jurassic 5 is awesome

non phixion is preety good but they havent released anything great lately

sean price is preety good as well- not awesome but i always seem to listen to every song that comes up on my ipod

check it out and keep real music alive
peace

[KEALYBOY]

Roots Manuva is a good UK artist...

[Pig]

Fort Minor is blowing up pretty big.

I think Ryu is a pretty decent rapper.

[reggie jax]

I have collected evidence regarding your racial slur Jax, don't act all innocent...
Just point out the racial slur or quit bitching about it.. I don't even know which one you're referring to. I bet if I was a mod you'd tell me.


Yes, I've got a copy of Fishscale. And by 'got a copy', I mean I illegaly downloaded it from Soulseek. It's pretty good but it's spoiled by weak production in parts..What I asked was has anyone got a retail copy of Fishscale yet. Everyone's already downloaded that shit... lol.

[KEALYBOY]

I see you've included an insult directed at me in your signature - for crying out loud Jax, I never stooped that low, there were boundaries dude, boundaries! Signatures were one avenue I'd never use to defame you.

P.S. Do you really think I reported you for your supposed 'racial slur' you paranoid fuck? Was there even a racial slur? Gotta keep you guessing, keep you looking in the rear view. Ironic of course.

[reggie jax]

Yes I do think you reported me for my racial slurs, probably on multiple accounts. Just seems like something you'd do. Anything to keep the black man down.

Plus, only a true scone would report someone in the MUSIC section.

[KEALYBOY]

Paranoid as well as racist. Interesting. Oooh, scone is a racial slur. Now I really can report you. As for multiple accounts, this is one of the few forums I've never ever trolled...

Yeah, The Fields

[reggie jax]

So.. moving onto things more rappish.. what do you consider to be the essential british hip hop album? I don't really like or listen to any brit stuff.. so if I wanted to expland my horizons to include all the MC Nigels out there.. what would be UK's "Illmatic?"

[KEALYBOY]

Illmatic is an overrated album...

Jehst - Return Of The Drifter
Dizzee Rascal - Boy In Da Corner
The Streets - A Grand Don't Come For Free
Kano - Home Sweet Home

MC Nigel?

[DrFrasierCrane]

Illmatic is an overrated album...

Jehst - Return Of The Drifter
Dizzee Rascal - Boy In Da Corner
The Streets - A Grand Don't Come For Free
Kano - Home Sweet Home

MC Nigel?
+

Wiley - Tredin' On Thin Ice
Braintax - Biro Funk
Lewis Parker - It's All Happening Now
Klashnekoff - The Sagas Of
Roots Manuva - Run Come Save Me

[KEALYBOY]

+

Wiley - Tredin' On Thin Ice
Braintax - Biro Funk
Lewis Parker - It's All Happening Now
Klashnekoff - The Sagas Of
Roots Manuva - Run Come Save Me

+

Brand X - reBRANDed At The Forum: Xtra Live, Xtra Large, Xtra Loud...The 25th Anniversary Bash

Gill Scott-Heron = G

[KEALYBOY]

RZA Speaks on Cuban Linx II - 2006-04-06 11:56:42
© The Wu-Tang Corp.- 2006-04-06

RZA released some exclusive information on Cuban Linx II to Wu-Tang Corp today. RZA promises the fans it will be a real classic, Raekwon is said to be in his most murderous vibe of writing and the songs are coming along lovely. The whole Clan (minus the late ODB) is confirmed to appear on the album. The next street single after the well accepted "State Of Grace" will probably be the RZA produced "Secret Inditement". Although RZA is sceptical about outside producers making the final cut, there are a few that have a good chance of getting on there.

With respect to the late J.Dilla, the song "House Of The Flying Daggers" is a candidate for the album. Scram Jones has also shopped his beats to Raekwon and RZA. The one producer everyone is wondering about however is Dr.Dre. RZA and Dre were in the studio last week together going through a mass amount of beats. So far, according to RZA there are 3 songs produced by Dre that both Raekwon and RZA are feeling heavily. These three songs are recorded, mixed and done!

One of the songs features Raekwon, Busta Rhymes and RZA together over a booming Dre beat! Whether this song will make the album is still uncertain. Raekwon however is confirmed for the Busta Rhymes album and RZA says the new Busta album is absolutely crazy. The song featuring Stevie Wonder is his absolute favorite and he urges all Wu fans to cop that album and support Busta who is also a very close and loved brother to the Clan. Furthermore RZA said hes very happy for Ghost to get the respect and first week sales he received for "Fishscale". He added that "if people liked the Ghostface album, they are gonna LOVE the Cuban Linx part II album."

The Wu-Tang is getting ready to strike again!

Cambodia.

[reggie jax]

British rappers sound like reggae singers.

Still.. Swords In The Dirt = dopeness.

[KEALYBOY]

British rappers sound like reggae singers.

Still.. Swords In The Dirt = dopeness.

You're full of shit. Listen to Dizzee Rascal.

[reggie jax]

Lol at that scone saying "I fink."

[KEALYBOY]

Just download 'Beyond There' by Jehst, nigger. As ill as it gets. Yeah, The Fields (Reading Squash Courts 1977)...

[reggie jax]

I tried looking for jehst on soulseek.. nothing. Anyway I haven't heard enough to really judge overall but from what I can tell I at least like some of the beats on Dizzee and Root's albums.

[KEALYBOY]

Soulseek's shit - Limewire delivers pwnage over that tosh. Know any good female rap? I'm yet to find it...

[reggie jax]

Personally I don't realy listen to any girl rappers besides Lauryn Hill.. but I've heard good things about Jean Grae.

[DrFrasierCrane]

How about that female rapper in Digable Planets? She's OK

[Deltron3030]

Who has heard that song Whoop that trck by actor terrance howard? he did it for the hustle and flow soundtrack.

Good club banger right there.

[drag-on]

Lauryn Hill I think is the dopest female rapper.
Jean Grae
Rah Digga

Those are the only ones I know that I would consider good.

[KEALYBOY]

I don't really listen to much female music generally - and Lord knows I've tried to get into it - but I'll check 'em out...

[NastyNas99]

Jurassic 5 is pretty good although there first EP was their best work. I want to hear that collabo with the Dave Matthews BAnd.

J5's best emcee, Charli 2na, has an amazing song called "Join The DOts" with Roots Manuva

[britishbulldog]

Good to see some UK rap on yer list, Dizze's awesome, I love the fucked up, distorted beats and witty social commentary, I grew up on a very similar area to him so I relate to a lot of what he talks about. I liked the Streets' concept album too, 'A Grand Don't Come For Free', though I've not heard 'Original Pirate Material'. Into any other British artists?


Dude go out and buy 'Original Pirate Material'. Ask anyone from the UK into HipHop, it devours 'A Grand Don't Come For Free' in one fuckin bite. Also check out Roll Deep Crew, Roots Manuva and Dizzy's 1st Album 'Boy in the Corner' if your American you've probably only got to hear 'Showtime' which is shit.

[reggie jax]

Kealyboy is dead.

[britishbulldog]

Kealyboy is dead.

Probably told a drunken Streets fan that he liked their second album better. Ouch! That could get nasty!

[DrFrasierCrane]

Kealyboy is dead.
Nah, he's planning on trolling this forum soon as revenge for banning him.

;)

[reggie jax]

Meanwhile, the populace awaits in terror..