Metal and Screamo

[Darkman57]

Is there any real difference between them or is screamo just some dumbass emo way of saying metal??

[Mount_Happy]

I think metal is a little more broad than screamo... you dont need to always be shrieking your lyrics in metal, while in screamo its pretty much the reason the genre exists.

[MiKe]

BIG difference. Screamo is like really bad heavy metal, but the singer is even worse then usual. Instead of the normal screams that metal should have, screamo singing is nothing but indesipherable shrieking. It's higher pitched, it's impossible to understand (even more so then real metal), and it basically gives me the same feeling as nails on a chalk board.
Screamo = gay
Metal = good.

[bones II]

BIG difference. Screamo is like really bad heavy metal, but the singer is even worse then usual. Instead of the normal screams that metal should have, screamo singing is nothing but indesipherable shrieking. It's higher pitched, it's impossible to understand (even more so then real metal), and it basically gives me the same feeling as nails on a chalk board.
Screamo = gay
Metal = good.


for further examples of really bad screamo see Andrew W.k.

[MiKe]

^Good example. Another one, although I KNOW this will be debated, is Lamb of God. The band itself is talented, they make great metal, but the singer is a prime example of screamo.
**I'm not bashing the band. Lamb of God is a good metal band, I just think their singer sucks.

*flame on*

[Ghost Mountain]

andrew wk isnt scremo at all, hes the man.

[Stupified]

Uhh, yeah..Andrew W.K isn't screamo. Modern screamo is more relative to bands like Underoath, and Senses Fail. They sing about love, and broken hearts and all that pussy emo shit. So:

is screamo just some dumbass emo way of saying metal??

No, It's the dumbass emo form of metal.

Similar to Metalcore, too.

[Metallic]

Except there can be good Metalcore.

But Bash away at LoG. I'd be more than glad to.

[Stupified]

Except there can be good Metalcore.


Yeah, but the other 95% is terrible.

Despised Icon, Nehemiah, The Haunted, and Zombie Apocalypse are worthwhile metalcore bands, but the overall genre is crap.

[AsHopeDies]

The Haunted is metalcore?

but yeah, lamb of god isn't screamo. And yes, screamo sucks.

[Stupified]

The Haunted is metalcore?

The Haunted is mostly metalcore with Gothenburg overtones, although some people like to call them thrash or melodic-death, especially their earlier stuff; But the later stuff is most definitely metalcore.

[ypsidan04]

Screamo pretty much sucks. Bleeding Through is another example.

[BrainStew]

Okay, my 2 cents here, there is a BIG difference between Screamo and Metalcore...

Screamo: Thursday, The Used, Underoath, etc.
Metalcore: As I lay Dying, Darkest Hour, Killswitch Engage, Heaven Shall Burn, etc.

[Metallic]

Yeah, but the other 95% is terrible.

Despised Icon, Nehemiah, The Haunted, and Zombie Apocalypse are worthwhile metalcore bands, but the overall genre is crap.

Well, most metalcore is aimed at scenesters.

But, I'd say for good metalcore check out Despised Icon, Ion Dissonance, Glass Casket or The End.

Avoid The Haunted.

And listen to Nehemah, a great french black metal band.

[MGselwonK]

Would Ion Dissonance be considered Metalcore? I would put them in the same catefory as dillinger escape plan... progressive or math metal(depending on how butt sex you want your genres to be...)

[jimjam5000]

i only like one screamo band but there ok i like more metal than screamo but screamo just screams their way through the whole song

[Stupified]

Would Ion Dissonance be considered Metalcore? I would put them in the same catefory as dillinger escape plan... progressive or math metal(depending on how butt sex you want your genres to be...)

I think they could fit either 'catefory'. Maybe "Mathcore".

[ypsidan04]

Okay, my 2 cents here, there is a BIG difference between Screamo and Metalcore...

Screamo: Thursday, The Used, Underoath, etc.
Metalcore: As I lay Dying, Darkest Hour, Killswitch Engage, Heaven Shall Burn, etc.

Well okay then. Not all screamo sucks. If they're only screaming for parts of the song (like The Used, and Story of the Year, and Finch) then it's okay. But if they're screaming for 90% of the song, like what I guess would be Metalcore, then that I can't stand.

[AsHopeDies]

wow some of you guys are way off. Metalcore, screamo, and most all metal genres are not determined by the style of vocals (in terms of growls, yells, screams, etc). It's not screamo because the guy 'screams' and it's not metalcore because of the percentage of screams vs. clean vocals. Pretty much all metal genres are determined by drum/riff styles, lyrical content, geographical regions in some cases, etc. That being said, Metalcore is the mixture of metal and hardcore. Basically, as BrainStew pointed out, bands like As I Lay Dying and Killswitch. And the only thing keeping these bands from being 'metal' are the breakdowns. So, for simpleminded folk, metalcore = metal with breakdowns. (oddly enough, that's why I don't count Darkest Hour as metalcore, they are just metal in my opinion, I don't care how they look ;)) And then there's screamo, which is just emo with a guy yelling. ie, Thursday, Underoath, etc. So it's really watered down music, not very heavy at all, and the lyrical content is bitching and moaning about girls and myspace. The only thing that takes it from emo to screamo is the vocal style. In that they scream instead of wail like dashboard ;)

[BrainStew]

^Much longer version of my POV. Gracias.

[Supermintyfresh]

Evergreen terrace. They are probably the biggest screamo band alive. They are terrible. I despise them with every inch of my body.

[Thefridge]

Metal you listen to when you are 21 and older
Screamo is for children under 21

[ypsidan04]

Evergreen terrace. They are probably the biggest screamo band alive. They are terrible. I despise them with every inch of my body.

Well take comfort in the fact that I don't know who the heck they are.
Metal you listen to when you are 21 and older
Screamo is for children under 21

That's an oversimplification. I'm under 21 and I listen to both. And I'm going to be listening to both when I'm 25 too.

[desensitizedbyu]

Metal all the way.

[Enjoi]

Everyone says that underoath is scremo. If you have limewire or something to download music off of, go look for their songs from the albums "act of depression" or "cries of the past". They don't make these albums anymore. It's not like underoath is now at all, it's more like the black dahlia murder.

[aronax0195]

Metal you listen to when you are 21 and older
Screamo is for children under 21

I am 16 and I listen to metal.

[SAPAiC]

I just want to get this point across, ALL METAL IS NOT SCREAMING!

LOL, I'm 15 and I've been listening to metal since I was 12, theres obviously something wrong with me!

[Sacryfice]

Underoath rocks.

[aronax0195]

Underoath sucks.

I am inclined to agree.

[ypsidan04]

I just want to get this point across, ALL METAL IS NOT SCREAMING!

Very true. Take a look at System of a Down, or Disturbed, or my sig.

[johnnycupcakes]

Evergreen terrace. They are probably the biggest screamo band alive. They are terrible. I despise them with every inch of my body.


I dont think you really know what you are talking about...

Evergreen is NOT screamo. do your research.


Everyone says that underoath is scremo. If you have limewire or something to download music off of, go look for their songs from the albums "act of depression" or "cries of the past". They don't make these albums anymore. It's not like underoath is now at all, it's more like the black dahlia murder.


old underoath is GOD. you walk into american eagle, and you hear new underoath now. Their roots are VERY metal, much like black dahlia murder as enjoi mentioned.

Yes, i would classify NEW underoath as screamo.

[ehogepr]

BIG difference. Screamo is like really bad heavy metal, but the singer is even worse then usual. Instead of the normal screams that metal should have, screamo singing is nothing but indesipherable shrieking. It's higher pitched, it's impossible to understand (even more so then real metal), and it basically gives me the same feeling as nails on a chalk board.
Screamo = gay
Metal = good.

Enough said.

Reading through your posts Mike, I tend to agree with you more and more.

[lameassdude]

Screamo, and Metal are super different. But I hardly know what Metal is around this forum anymore, so...lack of knowledge:uhoh:

[AsHopeDies]

Enough said.

Reading through your posts Mike, I tend to agree with you more and more.

enough said? that's not even an accurate definition...:rolleyes:

[Supermintyfresh]

I dont think you really know what you are talking about...

Evergreen is NOT screamo. do your research.

Okay, just to make sure I correctly understood the concept "screamo" I've downloaded a number of underoath songs (since you said they were screamo) and compared them to the likes of that horrible band...*sigh*...."evergreen terrace"....and guess what?

They both sound like shit. Oh and underoath does remind me of levergreen too, except they're not as undescribably retarded, maybe that's the difference? Otherwise I'd say both of these jack off bands are screamo.

[vrettason]

you guys are too obsessed with categorizing music... its just music enjoy it

[vrettason]

and who ever sais that trivium is screamo... youve got issues.... those guitar riffs are nothing BUT metal.... i really dont think that dimebag darells wife would hand down his guitars to a screamo band

[Kellenator]

you guys are too obsessed with categorizing music... its just music enjoy it
who ever sais that trivium is screamo... youve got issues
Don't you think that's a bit hypocritical? And don't double post; use the edit button.

[vrettason]

Don't you think that's a bit hypocritical? And don't double post; use the edit button.

yeah ur right ... but since ur on the topic of genres i might as well

[Enjoi]

Okay, just to make sure I correctly understood the concept "screamo" I've downloaded a number of underoath songs (since you said they were screamo) and compared them to the likes of that horrible band...*sigh*...."evergreen terrace"....and guess what?

They both sound like shit. Oh and underoath does remind me of levergreen too, except they're not as undescribably retarded, maybe that's the difference? Otherwise I'd say both of these jack off bands are screamo.
Go download underoath songs from the albums "cries of the past" or "act of depression". That's from when they were a metal band.

[vrettason]

Go download underoath songs from the albums "cries of the past" or "act of depression". That's from when they were a metal band.

dude i thought that the metal and emo underoath were two different bands WTF!!! talk about going with whats in

[Enjoi]

dude i thought that the metal and emo underoath were two different bands WTF!!! talk about going with whats in
Yeah, the old singer just quit and then they turned all emo and stuff.

[vrettason]

Yeah, the old singer just quit and then they turned all emo and stuff.
i like both but wow wut a change lol

[johnnycupcakes]

Okay, just to make sure I correctly understood the concept "screamo" I've downloaded a number of underoath songs (since you said they were screamo) and compared them to the likes of that horrible band...*sigh*...."evergreen terrace"....and guess what?

They both sound like shit. Oh and underoath does remind me of levergreen too, except they're not as undescribably retarded, maybe that's the difference? Otherwise I'd say both of these jack off bands are screamo.


So, basically, all you did was compare 2 bands, that are listed in 2 different categories. You did no reasearch as it appears to me. You just took your own knowledge on the subject (which is very wrong) and put it to use. And all you came to the only conclusion that you came to is the fact that they sound like shit?

I said that NEW underoath could be thrown into the categorie of screamo.



Screamo is a musical genre which evolved from emo, more specifically hardcore emo in the early 1990s. Characteristic of the genre are anguished screaming vocals and fast, harmonized guitars. Breakdowns in screamo songs are often slower and more melodic than in other genres, less of a "beatdown" and more an opportunity for introspection (and rest for the musicians). Other than that, it is fairly hard to classify (particularly since the rule about screaming vocals is bent fairly often). It is sometimes also mistakenly referred to as emo violence, which is closely related (although bands in both genres borrow ideas from each other). Lyrically, screamo topics are often times introspective, although it is not uncommon to see a screamo band with political lyrics. Most screamo songs use imagery and metaphors to communicate lost love or failed friendships.


Thats straight off of WIkipedia's site. Evergreen's breakdowns are much harder, and have more of a "beatdown" feel as the site put it. Underoath hasnt seen a breakdown for years. They use more singing than screaming. So, i still think you dont know what you are talking about.




here is a list of screamo bands that they gave. Circle Takes the Sqaure is on the list, and i dont know why...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Screamo_groups


Enjoi is one of the only guys in the music forum that i respect.

[AsHopeDies]

Saying I don't know any of the bands on that list is quite possibly the proudest moment of my life.

Oh, and there's actually a band on there called "I Hate Myself"!!!!!! fucking perfect!! wow...idiots

[NazFer]

Hawthorn Heights is so horrible. If I hear one more of their songs in my sister's room I'm going to cry. Them Fall Out Boy and Slipknot are the worst bands alive IMO

[algust]

JOHNNY CUPCAKES PEOPLE ARE RETARDED AND WILL NEVER LEARN Lol...
most people listen to nu-metal and have no damn idea of the differences =/

Metalcore IS= as I lay dying, inked in blood, falling cycle.

[spine shavings]

I think metal is a little more broad than screamo... you dont need to always be shrieking your lyrics in metal, while in screamo its pretty much the reason the genre exists.


i always thought screamo was like screaming emo music...

[Triad462]

so much of a diffrence between metal, screamo and hardcore.

The difference is this: hardcore and emo are both gay. Metal is great.

[spine shavings]

^^ Depends on what kind of metal... nu-metal sucks my left nut.. black metal and death metal both kick ass

[ehogepr]

When I'm in the mood I'm deffinately down for some hardcore Metal. I hate screamo though, can't stand the growling or how an entire song may just be plain screaming. No real substance to that type of music, I think.

[Metallic]

Everyone needs to listen to MORE THRASH!

[judge weiner]

Screamo = heavy emo with faggot screaming
Metalcore = metal + hardcore (although the term metalcore is being used more and more as an umbrella to describe any modern metal without falsetto singing..)
Metal = \m/

How can someone confuse screamo for metal or metalcore, or for that matter Lamb of fucking God for screamo? Metal screaming (especially death metal) has a burly, throaty roar to the vocals whereas screamo sounds like a 90-lb faggot screaming like Underoath. Call Lamb of God what you will, but they are not screamo, no way. You can call Randy's vocals monotonous and stupid but they are not fucking screamo. He sounds like a man, not a pre-pubescent boy.

Black metal has a high pitched scream to it but it sounds more demonic and less whiney than screamo.

Everyone needs to listen to MORE THRASH!

Yeah, fuck yeah. No ambiguous labels, just pure thrash fucking metal.

wow some of you guys are way off. Metalcore, screamo, and most all metal genres are not determined by the style of vocals (in terms of growls, yells, screams, etc). It's not screamo because the guy 'screams' and it's not metalcore because of the percentage of screams vs. clean vocals. Pretty much all metal genres are determined by drum/riff styles, lyrical content, geographical regions in some cases, etc. That being said, Metalcore is the mixture of metal and hardcore. Basically, as BrainStew pointed out, bands like As I Lay Dying and Killswitch. And the only thing keeping these bands from being 'metal' are the breakdowns. So, for simpleminded folk, metalcore = metal with breakdowns. (oddly enough, that's why I don't count Darkest Hour as metalcore, they are just metal in my opinion, I don't care how they look ;)) And then there's screamo, which is just emo with a guy yelling. ie, Thursday, Underoath, etc. So it's really watered down music, not very heavy at all, and the lyrical content is bitching and moaning about girls and myspace. The only thing that takes it from emo to screamo is the vocal style. In that they scream instead of wail like dashboard ;)

Quoted for truth.

And I think people qualify Darkest Hour as metalcore based off of their record label rather than their actual music. Fucking stupid...

[aronax0195]

http://c.myspace.com/Groups/00006/69/28/6788296_l.jpg

Despite it missing a few good bands, this picture kicks ass.

[spine shavings]

Everyone needs to listen to MORE THRASH!

does slayer fit into "thrash"?

[MiKe]

^I think so, yes. But even if they don't, they still kick ass....and so does your avatar. I saw them live WITH Slayer AND Pantera in 2001, I still have wet dreams about that concert.

[h4z4rd]

Everyone needs to listen to MORE THRASH!
Agreed. Screw this metalcore/hardcore/screamo bullshit......

[DCb4ll3r]

wow okay first off screamo is not hoawthorne heights. alot of screamo music doesnt actually have screams in it. screamo music is very raw and consists of spoken word. although screamo doesnt provide musical complexity, most sacreamo bands have great lyrics. scream band: circle takes the square, saetia, joshua fit for battle.

[spine shavings]

Is it hard to type with my cock in your eye?

[ypsidan04]

alot of screamo music doesnt actually have screams in it.

WTF? If it doesn't have screams, it's not screamo! :rollseyes Someone in my school paper a couple days ago called MCR screamo. That's just not true.

[Supermintyfresh]

So, basically, all you did was compare 2 bands, that are listed in 2 different categories. You did no reasearch as it appears to me. You just took your own knowledge on the subject (which is very wrong) and put it to use. And all you came to the only conclusion that you came to is the fact that they sound like shit?

I said that NEW underoath could be thrown into the categorie of screamo.






Thats straight off of WIkipedia's site. Evergreen's breakdowns are much harder, and have more of a "beatdown" feel as the site put it. Underoath hasnt seen a breakdown for years. They use more singing than screaming. So, i still think you dont know what you are talking about.




here is a list of screamo bands that they gave. Circle Takes the Sqaure is on the list, and i dont know why...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Screamo_groups


Enjoi is one of the only guys in the music forum that i respect.


Dude, take this into point. I don't care what the "exact" definition or chartrization of a screamo band is. If they scream excessively and uncontroallbly and look like emos then I am going to call them screamo. Because they are doing exactly what the name implies...Screaming.

And to be perfectly honest, evergreen screams way more and way louder than underoath does so, it's really fucking weird how you tell me they're most defnietly not screamo. Infact, there is not ONE single verse in any evergreen song where that little bitch isn't screaming like some bastard emo child.

[ForeverinShadow]

I dunno. i don't like screamo though. I think it's just annoying punkers screaming and trying to be punk.

[johnnycupcakes]

Dude, take this into point. I don't care what the "exact" definition or chartrization of a screamo band is. If they scream excessively and uncontroallbly and look like emos then I am going to call them screamo. Because they are doing exactly what the name implies...Screaming.

And to be perfectly honest, evergreen screams way more and way louder than underoath does so, it's really fucking weird how you tell me they're most defnietly not screamo. Infact, there is not ONE single verse in any evergreen song where that little bitch isn't screaming like some bastard emo child.


I guess ignorance is prefectly fine for some people.

[DCb4ll3r]

wow new underoath is not screamo its shit. old underoath was great metalcore.

refer to my previous post about scream for screamo bands. one of the best genres ive heard

[asdfkjhg]

depends what metal your talking about.. metal is usually better than screamo, thats how you tell the difference :)

i used to like screamoback in some grade a few years ago, after my hardcore punk phase, then after that came the black metal phase, and finally that evolved into death/ambient/doom/rawblack phase, great stuff. screamo was kind of like a stepping stone for me into metal. now i can't even listen to the shit.

[Enjoi]

wow new underoath is not screamo its shit. old underoath was great metalcore.

refer to my previous post about scream for screamo bands. one of the best genres ive heard
They were more like death metal than metalcore.

[917]

Underoath's new album has leaked, if anyone knew or cared.

Screams are a lot lower overall compared to They're Only Chasing Safety. Much less of the higher pitched ones....there's much less singing in it as well.

Closer to what they did with their old stuff, imo.

[Enjoi]

Underoath's new album has leaked, if anyone knew or cared.

Screams are a lot lower overall compared to They're Only Chasing Safety. Much less of the higher pitched ones....there's much less singing in it as well.

Closer to what they did with their old stuff, imo.
If it's half as good as their old stuff, then it will be awesome.

[algust]

Well their new stuff was recorded and produced by adam D from killswitch, pretty much anything he produces comes out brutally awesome =)

unearth, killswitch engage, new underoath, august burns red (they are 18-21 and amazing), the agony scene.

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