WWIII- USA and Allies vs China, Russia, Iran, N.Korea, and Syria

[GottaPewp]

Who would the USA's allies be if a world war were to break out? And is it almost guaranteed that Russia and China would back Iran? What about N.Korea? What do you think would happen? Would the USA still be too powerful for all of them?

[MooCowzRock]

Who would the USA's allies be if a world war were to break out? And is it almost guaranteed that Russia and China would back Iran? What about N.Korea? What do you think would happen? Would the USA still be too powerful for all of them?
Throwing out a few--Britain, Israel, Poland, Australia, etc...We could handle most of them ourselves. We barely had a hard time in Iraq, and the time we had was just because we were fighting people dressed up as civilians. Iraq had one of the top three largest armies in the world at the time of the war, and we took it over in two weeks.

[Franzman]

A large army dosen't really matter.. But I think that China and Russia togheter would be too much, even for the USA. Throw in North Korea into the mix and they would be unstoppable. China and N. Korea would serve as cannon fodder whilst Russia uses it's technology and destroys the Coalition. The Rus. China. N. Korea alliance would fight to it's doom whilst the USA wouldn't risk economic failure.

[Cancon]

Throwing out a few--Britain, Israel, Poland, Australia, etc...We could handle most of them ourselves. We barely had a hard time in Iraq, and the time we had was just because we were fighting people dressed up as civilians. Iraq had one of the top three largest armies in the world at the time of the war, and we took it over in two weeks.

Oh man...my spleen...stop...hahaha. Yeah, the US sure kicked the shit out of Iraq. When did that conflict end? With decisive military action like that I'm sure you could defeat Russia, China and Iran by yourselves....hahahaha...oh shit...there goes my bladder.

[csite]

these debates are pointless! how can anyone say who will win or who will be america's allies?

[DarkTalon]

ultimitly it goes down to who has the most effective weapons of mass destruction. if north korea or iran were to attack they certainly woulden't care about collateral damage, the US will focus more on precision and knocking out key targets. I think the US and others would lose if a conflict like this would arise.

Edit: i don't think the US's military efficiantcy can be determined by the war in iraq, it's not exactly conventional warfare

[MooCowzRock]

Oh man...my spleen...stop...hahaha. Yeah, the US sure kicked the shit out of Iraq. When did that conflict end? With decisive military action like that I'm sure you could defeat Russia, China and Iran by yourselves....hahahaha...oh shit...there goes my bladder.
Can you read? We destroyed the IRAQI army in two weeks. The terrorists and insurgents, however, that dress up as women and use children, caused problems. We do amazingly against a country that wears a uniform. Russia and China would be no problem. The cowardly terrorists in the middle east, however, would be our only problem.

[Cancon]

Can you read? We destroyed the IRAQI army in two weeks. The terrorists and insurgents, however, that dress up as women and use children, caused problems. We do amazingly against a country that wears a uniform. Russia and China would be no problem. The cowardly terrorists in the middle east, however, would be our only problem.

Hey Einstein...during the revolutionary war, the states couldn't go head to head with the Brits so they used hit and run tactics to overwhelm them. One man's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. The fact that you defeated the Iraqi army is of no consequence because that didn't finish the war. You can't expect to illegally invade another country and expect them to fold to your force.

I admire your patriotism but you need to be realistic. The standing army with militia in China alone is more than the population of the United States...and they have more than pitchforks and rocks to defend themselves.

[csite]

Can you read? We destroyed the IRAQI army in two weeks. The terrorists and insurgents, however, that dress up as women and use children, caused problems. We do amazingly against a country that wears a uniform. Russia and China would be no problem. The cowardly terrorists in the middle east, however, would be our only problem.

Yeah right russia and china would be no problem, what do you think america is? is america just going to zap all russia planes and missiles from the sky and send it's boogy men to destroy the russian and the red army?

China alone will give america a very very good fight, with russia added they will be a very strong force... you live in some dream land where america is ultra advanced and can kill people from outer space with a blink of an eye, in reality that's not the case.

WWII is over, before america even mounts 10,000 men anywhere they will be reigned on by missiles, it's not a case of D-day any more, there will simply be pre-emptive strikes (let's not talk nukes here) but america will get owned, simple as that, america can beat an invasion of the usa, but they can't invade russia and china either unless they can teleport to russian and chinese areas like star trek.

Iraq has always been crap at conducting wars, don’t look at the iraq war to take inspiration of america’s army strength! Hardly any Iraqi soldiers fought in that war and iraq had not looked after it’s army too well since the 1991 gulf war and let it rot! Iraq is nothing like Russia and china. Even iran will give America a very good fight in an invasion.

[bergshadow]

There's an outside chance that we are already fighting WWIII, and that the Chinese are winning without losing a man.

[DarkTalon]

just because russia and china have orginized militaries doesent make it any easier one thing russia and china have in common is nuclear weapons, which iraq did not have. also every occupation has had some type of rebel, wheather its iraq and it's insurgents or france in WWII and all of theese insurgents share a common goal, to get the "Liberators" out of their homeland.

[GoJags]

America, Fuck YEAH! (and allies)
UK
France
Germany
Australia
Italy
Canada
Mexico

Teh 'Bad Guys'
Russia
China
Japan
Iran
N.K.
Syria
Turkey
Venezuela

.....and we will all be dead after 5 days into the war, nukes flyin everywhere!

[Requo]

I don't believe there will be a kind of WWIII... If it were to actually occur it wouldn't be a widely broadcasted war. Merely, it would be like the Cold War, where the ideologies of 'Democracy' and Communism fought eachother through other countries. I doubt that WWIII would be too different. In fact, I bet it wouldn't be a 'World War', rather a massively large-scale covert war. For instance, if the U.S. attack Iran, and Iran is supplied, and supported by Russia with weapons and ammunitions, etc., then the Russians are indirectly fighting the U.S... And wherever the U.S. tries to attack another country, Russia will be there supplying the opposition.

I don't foresee a World War III within the near future whatsoever. It isn't unlikely, for man seems to repeat history all too often. Yet, I'm sure no man wants to completely destroy the earth. For if the earth was destroyed, the leaders wouldn't have any power anymore, and God forbid a leader doesn't get his power fix :D. Thus a nuclear war is out of the question--at least in the near future. However, if some idiot (like Bush [puppeted by Cheney] :p) does actually use nuclear weaponry on another country, I'm not so sure the international community would be so forgiving. Unless of course... they are part of the agenda! :idea:




"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

-- Albert Einstein

[Pajman]

America, Fuck YEAH! (and allies)
UK
France
Germany
Australia
Italy
Canada
Mexico

Teh 'Bad Guys'
Russia
China
Japan
Iran
N.K.
Syria
Turkey
Venezuela

.....and we will all be dead after 5 days into the war, nukes flyin everywhere!
Why the fuck would Japan fight against the US?

[jn_powell]

Why the fuck would Japan fight against the US?
An even better question is why in the world would China ally with Japan, they loathe the Japanese.

[sandy]

An even better question is why in the world would China ally with Japan, they loathe the Japanese.

An even better better question, why would china and america fight when they so badly need each other? it's not the same as america and the soviet union!

Btw, north korea hates japan even more than china, if they nuke anyone it will be south korea and japan.

[Franzman]

I think Russia would be on the side of the US, I don't see why they would back iran. And China might not, because that guy was being retarded a while ago.

Putin and Russia hates the USA. The Soviet Nostalgia is frozen into their spine.

[liquid jesus]

I'm from there, i don't remember any assholes burning flags and shit.


why did the US allie with them in WWII?

they didn't orginally but when germany attacked russia after they said they wouldn't it kinda forced them to be allies with the United States. if it wasn't for germany attacking russia and losing some many men in the process the war would have been very diffcult for the allies to win.

[Franzman]

I'm from there, i don't remember any assholes burning flags and shit.


why did the US allie with them in WWII?

They had a common enemy... But they still hated each other. Why did a cold war start after WW2? Because Germany had been removed.

[TriggerOfDemise]

Why the fuck would Japan fight against the US?

ahhaah you're always there when someone mentions something neg. about japan. so i see you abandoned the video section huh? i understand, nothing but mostly ignorant morons there.

[Cee]

And why is this in the current news board? Pure speculation besides force numbers and technology pretty much.

[Tier]

Syria? what the hell?

[MooCowzRock]

Syria? what the hell?
What? Most of the Iraqi insurgents are being supported and sent in from Syria. They are a big terrorist anti-us nation.

[MooCowzRock]

I don't see russia making alliances with any muslim countries, because there's some weird shit going on with chechneya, i don't understand the conflict.
Thats hard to say...they are pretty tight with Iran right now...

[Danimal87]

Who would the USA's allies be if a world war were to break out? And is it almost guaranteed that Russia and China would back Iran? What about N.Korea? What do you think would happen? Would the USA still be too powerful for all of them?
It is almost guaranteed that Russian and China will not back Iran besides with maybe a little bit of military intelligence and in economic ways. If we invaded Belarus, Russia might intervene. If we invaded North Korea, China might intervene. But I fail to see why Russia and China would want to make a world war out of what would be a regional conflict.

Talk like this means you've been playing too much Risk and Red Alert 2.

[Synch]

ahhaah you're always there when someone mentions something neg. about japan. so i see you abandoned the video section huh? i understand, nothing but mostly ignorant morons there.

Being patriotic is not a bad quality, also, he's right. There's no way whatsoever that Japan would allie with China.. if you think otherwise, then it must be your ignorance to history or lack of common sense.

[DarkTalon]

America, Fuck YEAH! (and allies)
UK
France
Germany
Australia
Italy
Canada
Mexico

Teh 'Bad Guys'
Russia
China
Japan
Iran
N.K.
Syria
Turkey
Venezuela

.....and we will all be dead after 5 days into the war, nukes flyin everywhere!
in the event of a 3ed world war i think south korea (if not already wiped out by N.k.) will be on our side. No doubt they have a grudge against N.K. but this is all assuming kim jong il doesent test a nuke there.

[Karajan]

Maybe I'm way off here, but why would China or Russia risk a World War with the US and other countries over Iran? It simply doesn't make sense. North Korea maybe, but I still don't think so, and unless we get another Bush in office, I doubt we'll be invading them preemptivley any time in the future, probably not even if we did get someone else like him.

Of course, trying to predict something like this is fun, but impossible. There are so many factors that have to line up, and there are always going to be unknown variables that occur. It's possible I guess, but the evidence as of right now doesn't support this at all. Unless you count that China and Russia really being the only countries that could give the US a run for it's money being a factor, which I don't.

[pacaveli]

russia and china could give the US a run for their money seperatly, together it would be hard to win for the US. That being said i doubt they would risk a global confilct over Iran.

[NSX-R]

You guys are forgetting INDIA!!!

USA
India
Canada
Mexico
Italy
Germany
France
UK
Australia
Japan

vs.

Russia
China
North Korea
Iran

[pers]

Whats with this perception that china will someday help north korea? China already knows north korea has no future and doesn’t particularly like north korea, they can criticised them many times for giving communism a bad name.

The only reason china maybe against a war with north korea is that north korea has nukes, and if they get nuked china will suffer, if north korea uses nukes against china’s neighbours the whole region will suffer.

China and Russia will not help iran by committing men, but they will sell iran weapons in a war, America has put huge pressure on Russia not to complete it’s current torm1 sale to iran which Russia has disagreed to, America is also pushing Russia not to continue it’s nuclear work in iran, again Russia is not even listening to America, I am sure America is more than willing to reimburse Russia for lost income from iran’s nuclear work and weapons sale but Russia and iran have a long relationship, iran has an even longer relationship with china.

Iran has aggressively sought allies around itself and rather successfully too, Pakistan, turkey, Azerbaijan, uae, Saudi, Egypt are ALL against any sort of military confrontation with iran. America even thinks twice before invading iran, let alone Russia or china!

You guys are forgetting INDIA!!!

USA
India
Canada
Mexico
Italy
Germany
France
UK
Australia
Japan

vs.

Russia
China
North Korea
Iran

If you are going to make a wish list make a proper one!

[NSX-R]

I just updated a previous poster's list. If you can make it proper, go right ahead!

[Namflow509]

Iran has aggressively sought allies around itself and rather successfully too, Pakistan, turkey, Azerbaijan, uae, Saudi, Egypt are ALL against any sort of military confrontation with iran. America even thinks twice before invading iran, let alone Russia or china!
In an event of an invasion against Iran, none of those countries will so much as send a single soldier to help Iran. Not a single one. What makes you think that any of those countries will give Iran anything more then money and possibley some equipment?

If you are going to make a wish list make a proper one!
OK Einstein go ahead...
You're just going to talk, why don't you come up with your own list?

[pers]

In an event of an invasion against Iran, none of those countries will so much as send a single soldier to help Iran. Not a single one. What makes you think that any of those countries will give Iran anything more then money and possibley some equipment?

did i say they will fight for iran?

Anyways, iran doesn't need man power, iran needs equipment, they already have sufficient manpower to combat in an invasion.

[break3r]

canary islands, gibralter and lithuania

[Namflow509]

Anyways, iran doesn't need man power, iran needs equipment, they already have sufficient manpower to combat in an invasion.
Hypothetically if America attacks Iran, it would not matter how much equipment Iran would get (which would probably be limited anyways).

[pers]

Hypothetically if America attacks Iran, it would not matter how much equipment Iran would get (which would probably be limited anyways).

IRan wouldn't be too over reliant on such equipments anyways, their main asset is their basij and irgc and missile force. As an iraqi general said, there is a limit you can kill till you have to reload and that's when they run all over you

[Severus]

There will probably not be such a war. If you have heard of the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD), you will know that both sides that possess nuclear weapons would be quite unwilling to risk a conflict that would result in the utter annihilation of both populations.

Now what is more likely is that terrorists could get their hands on a nuclear device... that could spark a different conflict and cause other problems altogether. Not to mention that it would make a relatively large part of the United States uninhabitable...

People may not have learned since the two World Wars that warfare is ultimately of no benefit to anyone, and is detrimental to the human race. But I do know that the current leaders of the nuclear powers are not foolish enough to start a war that could end life as we know it.

As the Dutch theologian Desidius Erasmus wrote, "War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it." (Bellum delectum est illis qui id numquam passi.) Thus let us hope and pray that mankind will never repeat the mistakes that led to the World Wars. If there is a Third World War, it will bring about an end to life as we know it.

[dslman]

There will probably not be such a war. If you have heard of the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD), you will know that both sides that possess nuclear weapons would be quite unwilling to risk a conflict that would result in the utter annihilation of both populations.


This is exactly what i was about to say. This is the only thing that would happen. How can anyone believe there woud be a war with the U.S facing Russia and China. What kind of bullshit is this. The rest of this thread is just people loving to use their stupid imagination and people being patriotic instead of thinking logically.

[csite]

Hypothetically if America attacks Iran, it would not matter how much equipment Iran would get (which would probably be limited anyways).

Well that would depend, if you want to talk hypothetically, if iran was to buy 250 SU30, Su34 and SU35 and 100 mig31's 1,000 T90's and several more kilo submarines and lots of S-400’s and 50+ advanced cruise missiles things would be different.

[Namflow509]

Well that would depend, if you want to talk hypothetically, if iran was to buy 250 SU30, Su34 and SU35 and 100 mig31's 1,000 T90's and several more kilo submarines and lots of S-400’s and 50+ advanced cruise missiles things would be different.
csite I may be talking hypothetically, but that doesn't mean I'm not being realistic. When I say it doesn't matter how much equipment Iran would get it doesn't mean you can make up a total dream world number, with a total dream world assessment of the equipment they might receive.

[TriggerOfDemise]

Being patriotic is not a bad quality, also, he's right. There's no way whatsoever that Japan would allie with China.. if you think otherwise, then it must be your ignorance to history or lack of common sense.

hey silly, i wasn't saying that it was a bad thing for him to defend his origin, since my statments can be taken both ways due to no tone of voice.

[fudgebucket]

Why hasn't anybody put Israel as an American Ally? Those guys love America and they hate Iran. Israel alone could take Iran and most of the middle eastern countries.

[pers]

Why hasn't anybody put Israel as an American Ally? Those guys love America and they hate Iran. Israel alone could take Iran and most of the middle eastern countries.

are you joking? you seriously think israel can invade iran? EVEN if iran was right next to israel?

The middle eastern countries israel can invade are:

Syria (would be a pretty costly invasion!)
Jordan
Lebanon
Oman
Yemen
Sudan
Bahrain
UAE
Qatar
Kuwait

The rest are a virtual no go zone for israel.

[Namflow509]

are you joking? you seriously think israel can invade iran? EVEN if iran was right next to israel?

The middle eastern countries israel can invade are:

Syria (would be a pretty costly invasion!)
Jordan
Lebanon
Oman
Yemen
Sudan
Bahrain
UAE
Qatar
Kuwait

The rest are a virtual no go zone for israel.
How did this become a discussion about Israel again???

Anyways Israel already has plans drawn up for an attack on Iran if it is needed (according to leaked sources, and also according to an ex-Israeli general). It is definately not an impossible thing to do. Iran is not a powerhouse. Iran has millions of soldiers who are rendered useless do to their lack of proper military equipment, and a terrible isolated military industry.

Israel would have complete air superiority, which is really all that matters-and would win them a solo war against Iran. Weapons like these (http://www.imi-israel.com/Product.aspx?FolderID=57) would ensure no advanced IAF planes are shot down (since I know you would bring that argument up).

A land invasion is not out of the question either, and the massive amount of advanced tanks Israel has could be deployed from places like Iraq and Turkey. So as you can see, a solo attack against Iran is not impossible for Israel. Again, Iran is not anything special. They are an isolated country with broken down ageing military equipment. The weapons they have produced themselves are not very advanced either (don't even bring up their torpedos or their horrible inaccurate shihab 1,2, and 3 missiles).

Israel would also have millions of soldiers at their expense. Millions of Israelis from all over the world would be obligated to immediately serve in any war (and they would be happy to do so, including me). Not only that, millions of Jews world wide would immediately volunteer for their home land as well.



Oh and Israel would probably have to attack Hezbollah as well. They would easily crush them. Hezbollah is a joke.

[pers]

How did this become a discussion about Israel again???

Anyways Israel already has plans drawn up for an attack on Iran if it is needed (according to leaked sources, and also according to an ex-Israeli general). It is definately not an impossible thing to do. Iran is not a powerhouse. Iran has millions of soldiers who are rendered useless do to their lack of proper military equipment, and a terrible isolated military industry.

Israel would have complete air superiority, which is really all that matters-and would win them a solo war against Iran. Weapons like these (http://www.imi-israel.com/Product.aspx?FolderID=57) would ensure no advanced IAF planes are shot down (since I know you would bring that argument up).

A land invasion is not out of the question either, and the massive amount of advanced tanks Israel has could be deployed from places like Iraq and Turkey. So as you can see, a solo attack against Iran is not impossible for Israel. Again, Iran is not anything special. They are an isolated country with broken down ageing military equipment. The weapons they have produced themselves are not very advanced either (don't even bring up their torpedos or their horrible inaccurate shihab 1,2, and 3 missiles).

Israel would also have millions of soldiers at their expense. Millions of Israelis from all over the world would be obligated to immediately serve in any war (and they would be happy to do so, including me). Not only that, millions of Jews world wide would immediately volunteer for their home land as well.



Oh and Israel would probably have to attack Hezbollah as well. They would easily crush them. Hezbollah is a joke.


Iran is not a powerhouse

neither is israel.

Iran has millions of soldiers who are rendered useless do to their lack of proper military equipment, and a terrible isolated military industry.


really? lack of military equipment for the troops, i would have bothered to consider your argument slightly plausible if you made it look more intelligent, iran doesn't have a lack of equipment for it's troops, it has a lack of conventional equipment to back up the troops like proper planes and tanks, not a lack of soldier equipment or training.

Iran used to have an isolated military industry, from about 1998 it stopped being so isolated and more open in asia.

Israel would have complete air superiority, which is really all that matters-and would win them a solo war against Iran. Weapons like these would ensure no advanced IAF planes are shot down (since I know you would bring that argument up).

Again you sound too excited when you talk without seriously considering much, air superiority with what? 8 planes? lol... do you honestly really think israel is going to send 50 planes to iran? even with 50 planes do you really think they would have complete air superiority? israel would need to refuel it's planes on air else thy have no chance of getting back to israel and don't dream about how america, saudi, turkey and jordan will somehow let you fly over their territory and give you air defence codes and let you land in their air ports, that's just nonsense. We are looking at reality and facts here.

A land invasion is not out of the question either, and the massive amount of advanced tanks Israel has could be deployed from places like Iraq and Turkey. So as you can see, a solo attack against Iran is not impossible for Israel. Again, Iran is not anything special. They are an isolated country with broken down ageing military equipment. The weapons they have produced themselves are not very advanced either (don't even bring up their torpedos or their horrible inaccurate shihab 1,2, and 3 missiles).

take a map, look at it carefully, you will see the area with iran and turkey is filled with mountains, i would love to see the mk4 fly like a bird. Again you are in a dream world, why would turkey let israeli tanks in their land to invade iran when they wouldn't even allow americans in turkey to invade iraq?

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/struggle_for_peace/land_maps/middle_east_region.jpg

You think israel is going to be allowed to go through jordan, to iraq to iran with a huge tank, apc and air force to invade iran, let's get real here...

They are an isolated country with broken down ageing military equipment.

isolated? in what terms? iran, china and russia conduct arms sales and military research. does'nt sound very isolated to me.

Some of iran's conventional goods are becoming aging, and iran is thinking about ordering new equipment, russia actually asked iran if they were interested in the su27, but iran's ideology after the revolution was to make it home made so not to get over reliant for parts to other countries, that's why iran isn't buying the latest tanks etc. from other countries, they rather make slightly worse ones themselves than rely other other countries.

Shahab's CEP is 90 meters, that's pretty accurate for a ballistic missile!

Israel would also have millions of soldiers at their expense. Millions of Israelis from all over the world would be obligated to immediately serve in any war (and they would be happy to do so, including me). Not only that, millions of Jews world wide would immediately volunteer for their home land as well.

You live in kookoo land? million of jews world wide? there is an estimated 20 million jews world wide (men women and children [this 20 million is including the 6 million jews already in israel]), they didn't volunteer in previous israel arab wars, they sure wouldn't volunteer for this one, you go ahead and volunteer in the idf if you want...

Israel's entire military reserve is about 600,000-800,000. Compare that with iran's army of 650,000, reserve of about 300,000, paramilitary force of about 7 million. Let's say israel does mobilize an army of 1 million men which is extremely unlikely, are they going to teleport to iran? You must have been watching too much of GI Jews.

As i said, iran's doctrine isn't made for israel, israel is a joke to think they can invade iran or actually conduct air strikes against all iran's nuclear positions. Iran's doctrine is against the only hostile power than can possibly conduct the strikes, the usa.

Oh and Israel would probably have to attack Hezbollah as well. They would easily crush them. Hezbollah is a joke

If hezbollah is a joke, why didn't israel destroy them when they had invaded lebanon? if they are a joke they would have been easy to crush! perhaps israel felt sorry for them huh? :lol:

[Mr. Heskey]

ultimitly it goes down to who has the most effective weapons of mass destruction. if north korea or iran were to attack they certainly woulden't care about collateral damage, the US will focus more on precision and knocking out key targets. I think the US and others would lose if a conflict like this would arise.

Edit: i don't think the US's military efficiantcy can be determined by the war in iraq, it's not exactly conventional warfare

Ditto. If we wanted to, we could turn the entire middle east into a wasteland within a day.

[csite]

[/B]

Ditto..

Is guerrilla warfare not a form of warfare that you agree with the poster who says just because it's not conventional warfare it isn't fair warfare? which war is fair? does the enemy wait for you to get up and hold your gun before he puts a bullet in between your eyes?

It seems that you people want to see wars like centauries ago when men used to stand in long rows and each side would fire once, wait for the other to retaliate by firing back, then they would commence to fire back, fight like "gentlemen"... well things have changed, as much as you hate the insurgency it's a great form of warfare, sure some idiots will say they are not men to use IED's and now show themselves, but is the guy who is in the F15 or F18 a man who just drops a bomb on a group of insurgents also not a man? Or the one who presses the button to launch a missile from a ship or land based system?


All i can say is america is very very lucky saddam didn't actually properly arm the insurgents (there has always been arms dumps there in iraq, saddam didn't initially intend to arm them just to fight a long battle against the usa!) else it would be far worse than it is now.

If we wanted to, we could turn the entire middle east into a wasteland within a day

Who is we exactly?

[J.T.]

Is it "fair" to hide yourself in a crowd of civillians, and dress like women to run from your enemy?

are these the tactics learned in the Al-Qaeda training camp. Or did they just learn to swing on monkey bars and shoot at pictures of American presidents?

[GottaPewp]

Well that would depend, if you want to talk hypothetically, if iran was to buy 250 SU30, Su34 and SU35 and 100 mig31's 1,000 T90's and several more kilo submarines and lots of S-400’s and 50+ advanced cruise missiles things would be different.

Who would operate them? Aren't there only 40 people in Iran total?

[csite]

Is it "fair" to hide yourself in a crowd of civillians, and dress like women to run from your enemy?

are these the tactics learned in the Al-Qaeda training camp. Or did they just learn to swing on monkey bars and shoot at pictures of American presidents?

actually these are western tactics, secret service agents use these tactics all the time, the israelis dressed up as women and went to lebanon to conduct a military operation i forgot it's name to assassinate some guys from the plo.

there is no such thing as fair in a war, it's non existent.

if there was such a thing called fair war, then americans would also use ak47's and rpg's and not wear helmets or body armour, not use tanks and planes and apc's and missiles, is america doing that? no, so why expect it from the other side?

[GottaPewp]

actually these are western tactics, secret service agents use these tactics all the time, the israelis dressed up as women and went to lebanon to conduct a military operation i forgot it's name to assassinate some guys from the plo.

there is no such thing as fair in a war, it's non existent.

if there was such a thing called fair war, then americans would also use ak47's and rpg's and not wear helmets or body armour, not use tanks and planes and apc's and missiles, is america doing that? no, so why expect it from the other side?

I think when we talk about 'fair', it's that the insurgents shouldn't blame the USA for the deaths of civilians they are using as human shields.

[J.T.]

Exactly my point poop!

Westerners value life, therefore, we do everything in our power to protect the sheep from the wolves.

If you actually lived in america, you would understand what police go through in hostage situations, high speed chases, and standoffs.

This is tough to understand coming from a culture where it is encouraged to sacrifice ones self in the middle of a crowded plaza.

[PitwrkzZ1]

"All is fair in love and war"

[csite]

I think when we talk about 'fair', it's that the insurgents shouldn't blame the USA for the deaths of civilians they are using as human shields.


It's their country! lol, you are talking as if the iraqis are in america and using americans as human shield, it's their country which was illegally invaded first based on wmd's then on human values. Ofcourse they should blame the usa for civilian casualties and deaths, the usa invaded them and they did NOTHING to provoke the invasion, 9-11 wasn't their fault.

There are so few cases of insurgents dressing as civilians to conduct some suicide bombing of some kind, that's very rare, most insurgency is in the form of some guys with a remote control who detonate a bomb in a car or under a soil which kills or injures americans or iraqis. So your argument of human shields isn't very useful here because it doesn't happen that often, IED's/road side bombs are the main problem.

[Listen]

Exactly my point poop!

Westerners value life, therefore, we do everything in our power to protect the sheep from the wolves.

If you actually lived in america, you would understand what police go through in hostage situations, high speed chases, and standoffs.

This is tough to understand coming from a culture where it is encouraged to sacrifice ones self in the middle of a crowded plaza.

are u fucking kidding me? westerners value life? and no one else does. the rest of the world are just a bunch of devil worshippers who would kill their own children for profit. but not the good ole west, here we wipe our asses with silk and everyone is happy.

[PitwrkzZ1]

There are so few cases of insurgents dressing as civilians to conduct some suicide bombing of some kind, that's very rare, most insurgency is in the form of some guys with a remote control who detonate a bomb in a car or under a soil which kills or injures americans or iraqis. So your argument of human shields isn't very useful here because it doesn't happen that often, IED's/road side bombs are the main problem.
You know this how?

[Face Plant]

And why is this in the current news board?

Too true, these are the kind of threads you get with people who understand geopolitics on the level of tag team wrestling. Pfft, Japan an ally of China, ha ha.

[Listen]

Too true, these are the kind of threads you get with people who understand geopolitics on the level of tag team wrestling. Pfft, Japan an ally of China, ha ha.

so do u feel that u have placed urself above the rest of the people because u have spotted that japan and china would be unlikely allies? and then u added the "Pffft" to add more emphasis on how ridiculous u think it sounds? and u never really addressed the issue of why this thread would be on a "current news" section, except by commenting on the general stupidity of the people in this thread, however, afterwards, u contribute to this thread by saying that japan and china wouldn't be allies. (which, by the way, people have already mentioned)

[Kyuu]

Question here is: Who would Europe side with?

westerners value life? and no one else does.

More than the rest of the world -- especially Muslims.

[GottaPewp]

It's their country! lol, you are talking as if the iraqis are in america and using americans as human shield, it's their country which was illegally invaded first based on wmd's then on human values. Ofcourse they should blame the usa for civilian casualties and deaths, the usa invaded them and they did NOTHING to provoke the invasion, 9-11 wasn't their fault.

There are so few cases of insurgents dressing as civilians to conduct some suicide bombing of some kind, that's very rare, most insurgency is in the form of some guys with a remote control who detonate a bomb in a car or under a soil which kills or injures americans or iraqis. So your argument of human shields isn't very useful here because it doesn't happen that often, IED's/road side bombs are the main problem.

I don't think we should have invaded Iraq, I was against it the whole time. I do find the tactics used by the insurgents to be quite disgusting. In this whole 'war', insurgents and terrorists have killed more Iraqis than American troops have killed. Every single day you hear about a bomb exploding at a mosque or restaraunt killing dozens or hundreds. I'm not even going to start discussing the beheadings and executions.

It's funny, I am a liberal and I dislike Bush, and yet I think your views are absoloutely ridiculous, because you love to only speak of American atrocities, yet anytime someone mentions the far worse atrocities committed by extremists, you just ignore it and move on to another thread.

You hate America, you hate American troops, and you probably cheer every time you read the news about US casualties. Do you think that our troops make the decisions to do what they do there? The majority of them don't want to be in Iraq, and don't even support the cause of the war. Yet they do their jobs, because they have to. They are human beings too, they are not ruthless and bloodthirsty. People who detonate themselves in a Mosque among people who are worshipping are ruthless and bloodthirsty. People who behead their hostages while they are still alive are ruthless and bloodthirsty. Can you get that through your skull? Do you totally ignore all of the atrocities the people YOU SUPPORT are committing? Where the hell is your logic coming from? Are you pure evil or something? LOL

[SSJNaruto]

Okay, let's not try to go talking about another World War. Soon, we're going to be hoping for one, if we're not careful. >_>

[csite]

It's funny, I am a liberal and I dislike Bush, and yet I think your views are absoloutely ridiculous, because you love to only speak of American atrocities, yet anytime someone mentions the far worse atrocities committed by extremists, you just ignore it and move on to another thread.

You hate America, you hate American troops, and you probably cheer every time you read the news about US casualties.

Wtf are you talking about, just because you are incapable of holding a discussion properly there is no need to resort in telling me what i think and my opinions because you don't even know me.

I love to speak of american atrocities? do i go around speaking of it for no reason? or do i do it when ignorant fools make ignorant posts without knowing much history.

When did i ignore atorcities committed by extremists and move on to another thread? when did i express support for those extremists who chop off people's heads?

Learn to debate instead of resorting to talking nonsense like ooh, you hate america, americans and americna soldiers. Ooh you talk against america so you must support the terrorists. Ooh, you keep bringing up america's history... this must mean I hate Americans.

You know this how?

News, it's a wonderful thing.

[Face Plant]

so do u feel that u have placed urself above the rest of the people because u have spotted that japan and china would be unlikely allies? and then u added the "Pffft" to add more emphasis on how ridiculous u think it sounds? and u never really addressed the issue of why this thread would be on a "current news" section, except by commenting on the general stupidity of the people in this thread, however, afterwards, u contribute to this thread by saying that japan and china wouldn't be allies. (which, by the way, people have already mentioned)

Well let me add some further info then. Japan is a nominal part of the Anglo/American alliance which is a marintime empire while China is part of the continental alliance/block with Russia. Japan is also part of the Trilateral Commission which is really just the NATO alliance with Japan, S Korea and Australia thrown in. SO PFFFFT why would Japan ally itself with China. There, you satisfied.

[GottaPewp]

Wtf are you talking about, just because you are incapable of holding a discussion properly there is no need to resort in telling me what i think and my opinions because you don't even know me.

I love to speak of american atrocities? do i go around speaking of it for no reason? or do i do it when ignorant fools make ignorant posts without knowing much history.

When did i ignore atorcities committed by extremists and move on to another thread? when did i express support for those extremists who chop off people's heads?

Learn to debate instead of resorting to talking nonsense like ooh, you hate america, americans and americna soldiers. Ooh you talk against america so you must support the terrorists. Ooh, you keep bringing up america's history... this must mean I hate Americans.



News, it's a wonderful thing.

Umm, YOU tell me what you think with all of your anti-american posts. You always ignore the atrocities your terrorist buddies committ. You have even defended the act of suicide bombings. Alot of people here know that. You often get attacked in every thread you post in for supporting the extremists. Maybe you get accused so often because it's so obvious you do support terrorists?

[vette79stingray]

Oh man...my spleen...stop...hahaha. Yeah, the US sure kicked the shit out of Iraq. When did that conflict end? With decisive military action like that I'm sure you could defeat Russia, China and Iran by yourselves....hahahaha...oh shit...there goes my bladder.

He didn't say it ended, he said the US took it over. The US is successfully occupying Iraq right now.

[firepiss]

Good dudes:
America
UK
Japan
Russia
France
Germany
Australia
Italy
Canada
Mexico

Axis of Evil:
China
Iran
N.K.
Syria
Venezuela

Why does everyone think we would have a war with Russia? Russia's reign of terror ended in 1989.

[csite]

Umm, YOU tell me what you think with all of your anti-american posts. You always ignore the atrocities your terrorist buddies committ. You have even defended the act of suicide bombings. Alot of people here know that. You often get attacked in every thread you post in for supporting the extremists. Maybe you get accused so often because it's so obvious you do support terrorists?

:lol: :lol:

what ever. Oooh, you don't support american troops so you support the terrorists... Oooh... :lol:

what anti american posts? there are posts about a possible iran american conflict and i let people know the history, wtf are you talking about exactly, i ignore my terrorist buddies atrocities? i ignore it? lol, how old are you? i read more news on the middle east than anyone here, how can i ignore it, how can i ignore shia's being massacred, just keep your stupid views to yourself please... i support extremists? who do i support? show me WHO i support. Just because you don’t agree with my views it doesn't mean i support terrorists.

To you anyone who lets people know the truth about america’s history is anti American.

[dslman]

i read more news on the middle east than anyone here

I seriously doubt you read more than anyone here. Im almost positive i in fact read more than you tough guy.

[csite]

I seriously doubt you read more than anyone here. Im almost positive i in fact read more than you

lol, i make a living from posting the latest news on the middle east, discussion topics, political topics in my forums and websites.

Fair enough, if you think you read more… I don't want to get into a personal argument i am better than you etc. here..

[Listen]

Well let me add some further info then. Japan is a nominal part of the Anglo/American alliance which is a marintime empire while China is part of the continental alliance/block with Russia. Japan is also part of the Trilateral Commission which is really just the NATO alliance with Japan, S Korea and Australia thrown in. SO PFFFFT why would Japan ally itself with China. There, you satisfied.
yes thank u. :raiseeyeb

[SilentTherapist]

My friends, this thread is very important and this war is predicted in the Bible and by Nastradumas. I am not into the bible but what I do know is that USA wants to attack Iran, who have ties with Russia to back them up, they also have China and N. Korea to back them up, among a few others in the middle east. Of course The USA has its own allies, but a war with this many countries will not slip under the radar. Any American who thinks that this will be a minor conflict is highly misguided, we're talking a world war 3 here, not a "american jumps is a kills some odd thousand people and its over". It doesn't matter how many bombs you have, if N. Korea, Iran, Syria, Chain, Russia ect. all shoot nukes at you at once you are in a world of hurt which will last for decades to come and could shift power for good. According to the Bible the thing to start the Apocalypes begins in what is now Iran, Russia and China, kind of suspect huh? The anti'christ will be coming out of Syria to offer a "peace", but this will be a fake peace and will try and spread his evil. There will be deaths and the river/roads will run with 7 feet of blood. Jesus then comes to fight the anti-christ which he will then put away for 1000 years, this is within your lifetime, so enjoy.

[bergshadow]

In this whole 'war', insurgents and terrorists have killed more Iraqis than American troops have killed. Technically, that may almost be true - they're catching up, anyway, the last couple of months.

But if you include airplane bombs and long range rocketing and the like, they've got a long way to go.

And the matter gets confused if mercenaries and US-allied Iraqis are figured in. All sides have their terrorists.

This kind of stuff might be what WWIII looks like throughout. We might already be fighting it. Think we're going to win?

[Bk2FuT]

Russia and China will not go to war for Iran. I can't even see Pakistan going to war over Iran.

[firepiss]

My friends, this thread is very important and this war is predicted in the Bible and by Nastradumas. I am not into the bible but what I do know is that USA wants to attack Iran, who have ties with Russia to back them up, they also have China and N. Korea to back them up, among a few others in the middle east. Of course The USA has its own allies, but a war with this many countries will not slip under the radar. Any American who thinks that this will be a minor conflict is highly misguided, we're talking a world war 3 here, not a "american jumps is a kills some odd thousand people and its over". It doesn't matter how many bombs you have, if N. Korea, Iran, Syria, Chain, Russia ect. all shoot nukes at you at once you are in a world of hurt which will last for decades to come and could shift power for good. According to the Bible the thing to start the Apocalypes begins in what is now Iran, Russia and China, kind of suspect huh? The anti'christ will be coming out of Syria to offer a "peace", but this will be a fake peace and will try and spread his evil. There will be deaths and the river/roads will run with 7 feet of blood. Jesus then comes to fight the anti-christ which he will then put away for 1000 years, this is within your lifetime, so enjoy.

Wasn't it Nostradamus that predicted US/Russia to become allies and fight the evil? Also Nostradamus said that the US/Russia will become great partners during and after WW3.

Bible already predicted Hitler and Stalin. Maybe the Bible is right? But then again I don't like it how the Bible predicted the future of our civilization, it seems like BS. It's almost saying God knows what we will and not do in life before we were born. What's the point of living when someone knows what will become of it?

[Bubba-E]

Currently, the USA lacks the industrial power to maintain a lasting war. However, if such an event happens, I'm sure things would change quickly.

Nukes aside, I believe we can take on China or Russian alone, just not both of them at the same time. Iran probably won't be a factor in 5-10 years because I'm willing to bet somebody will attack them with in that time, if not a full scale attack, probably just bombing to take out their nuclear sites and such.

[csite]

Currently, the USA lacks the industrial power to maintain a lasting war. However, if such an event happens, I'm sure things would change quickly.

Nukes aside, I believe we can take on China or Russian alone, just not both of them at the same time. Iran probably won't be a factor in 5-10 years because I'm willing to bet somebody will attack them with in that time, if not a full scale attack, probably just bombing to take out their nuclear sites and such.

5-10 years? is this coming from the same source that said saddam could launch his wmd's within mins if he wanted to etc. and he had bought uranium from south africa and he had links to alqaeda (which is a joke because he was a secular leader)

The fact of the matter is the cia doesn't know crap, i think i read a report yesterday saying exactly that, the usa has inadequate intelligence on iran, they just do guess work, iran could be enriching uranium in an industrial scale in a warehouse somewhere in tehran without anyone knowing about it. You can take out the external structure of the nuclear plant, but you can never stop it, it wouldn't even slow it down, once a country has the know-how they can just spread it around in every corner of the country.

America or israel may attack iran as soon as their troops pull out of the area (iraq and afghanistan)

I find it funny how news reports and forumers underestimate iran, yeah iran has old conventional equipment, but iran’s doctrine isn’t about using conventional force in awar with usa, it’s to outnumber the Americans and fight a guerrilla war along with a self sacrificial war like they did in the iran iraq war, no F22 or F35 can stop a huge human wave attack which just keeps on coming and keeps getting more determined the more men they lose, America doesn’t seem to have grasped the Iranian sense of patriotism and self sacrifice for their country yet and they learned absolutely nothing from the iran iraq war, i don't think america is stupid but it seems too confident.

[PitwrkzZ1]

The fact of the matter is the cia doesn't know crap, i think i read a report yesterday saying exactly that,
:lol: You actually think the CIA is going to publish what they know about Iran? Or anyone else?

[csite]

:lol: You actually think the CIA is going to publish what they know about Iran? Or anyone else?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/23/AR2006042300339.html


Unless america can see underground via their spy satellites i think we can safely say they don't know much.

[PitwrkzZ1]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/23/AR2006042300339.html


Unless america can see underground via their spy satellites i think we can safely say they don't know much.
Look, the CIA is a secret organization. Which means they have secrets. Secrets that you and I don't know about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-2_Crisis_of_1960
The U2 was confimed to be a spy plane only after it was called a weather research craft and painted in NASA colors. I would say the CIA is not exactly always honest with the public.

[csite]

Look, the CIA is a secret organization. Which means they have secrets. Secrets that you and I don't know about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-2_Crisis_of_1960
The U2 was confimed to be a spy plane only after it was called a weather research craft and painted in NASA colors. I would say the CIA is not exactly always honest with the public.

I am not going to get into a non factual argument that you think the cia doesn't tell you they know your secrets etc... The cia isn't god, they only know limited things, and they piece things together with that knowledge, i know they don't know much because they rely greatly on the MKO for information which is an iranian terrorist group.

[Kommercial]

I would probably head out and go somewhere in Brazil or Jamaica.

[Namflow509]

I am not going to get into a non factual argument that you think the cia doesn't tell you they know your secrets etc... The cia isn't god, they only know limited things, and they piece things together with that knowledge, i know they don't know much because they rely greatly on the MKO for information which is an iranian terrorist group.
You really under estimate the intelligence agencies. The fact is that we know absolutely nothing about what the CIA, Mossad or MI6 know. For all we know even some engineers working in the Iranian plants can be spys...we just don't know and will probably never know.

It's just pointless to argue on what they know or don't know. And to say that "the CIA doesn't know crap" is just arrogant.