Led Zeppelin are overrated [Archive]

ypsidan04

05-09-2006, 05:34 PM

The band was fantastic. It was Robert Plant that held them back*. As my friend has said, and I'm tending to agree, he doesn't sing, he just talks real funny through the songs. Can't knock his songwriting however, that was also top notch. John Bonham is among the best drummers who ever lived. And Page was very good too, but I don't hold him as high among guitarists as I do the former among drummers.

* Same thing with AC/DC. At least Plant was tolerable. I had a listen to Ballbreaker and Razor's Edge the other day, and holy crap, the vocals were among the most annoying I've ever heard. I have Back In Black, and that's a good CD, but their other CDs are not compatible with my ears.
It take maybe 4 hours how to learn how to play stairway to heaven from start to finish. That's not even close to their most complex song.

Plant wrote those lyrics in less than an hour while he was drunk. Then it took Page over a month to compose the music. It may not be complex, but I think you'd be hard pressed to deny that it's one of the greatest songs ever.

SevenTwoOffSuit

05-09-2006, 05:39 PM

fuCKYou

05-09-2006, 05:45 PM

Stop with these fucking overated threads. If you don't like the band keep it to yourself. Don't be a fuckin asshole and make a discussion of how a great rock band is overated. Beatles overated, led zeppelin is overated. Shut the fuck up already. Someone delete this thread.

umm..this is a discussion board and this is what you're supposed to do on a discussion board. you know, express your opinions and DISCUSS. :ahhh:

If you don't like the band keep it to yourself. Don't be a fuckin asshole and make a discussion of how a great rock band is overated.

if you don't like my thread keep it to yourself. Don't be a fucking asshole and make a post of how much you hate hearing others opinions . stay out of my thread if you don't like it. :rollseyes

hipocritical

05-09-2006, 05:49 PM

I apreciate them, but don't really like them a whole lot.

ehogepr

05-09-2006, 05:50 PM

Led Zeppelin is overrated but I still love 'em. Exposed to it when I was young so I like a lot of their music.

I believe another band that's overrated by kids is Pink Floyd... that or I'm just sick of hearing how great they are by everyone in my school. One of the two..

Don't get me wrong though, love PF too.

Snoop916

05-09-2006, 06:32 PM

Led Zeppelin is not overrated. All four members were some of the best at what they did. Page=undeniably one of the best guitarists ever. Plant=great voice, I don't care about what some people say. Bonham=Fucking amazing, just listen to Moby Dick. JPJ= great bassist. In essence they were a "superband".

sparrky

05-09-2006, 06:47 PM

Enjoi

05-09-2006, 06:58 PM

Led Zeppelin is the only classic rock band that I like.

drfool

05-09-2006, 07:07 PM

I too am sick of those posers wearing greenday pins over their led zeppelin tour of 1976 shirts....

and I'm even more tired of people like you who never tried zeppelin and automatically hate them because the posers like them

If you asked a poser to name 3 led zeppelin songs, they would say stairway to heaven, and then stutter and start talking about greenday, these are not the true led zeppelin fans....

you want to hear some good zeppelin, check out led zeppelin two, and led zeppelin one, and possibly houses of the holy

none of these albums contain stairway to heaven

TheGrimKreeper

05-09-2006, 07:10 PM

Alright, that's it; this is getting awfully annoying. Why don't we just go ahead and make a thread called "_______ is overrated", because, at this point, it would seem that any band is up for nomination of this dubious title.

These "overrated" threads are, simply put, pointless. Undoubtedly, there will be two groups in this strain of threads: one which claims that said band is overrated, despite a decided lack of any real reasoning besides saying that they weren't good enough to get the recognition they deserve, as if the accusation of being overrated doesn't already imply that; and a second group that uses factual information to point out said band's contributions to the music world and examples of their skill, which the former group completely disregards. Of course, nothing is resolved, and everyone walks away without an opinion stirred in themselves.

At least with the "_______ is overrated" thread, we won't have to stare in disdain as another "overrated" thread is created with a prefered band's sulied name glaring on the screen, but rather have this amalgamated thread off to the side for whenever we feel like taking a gander at what band is overrated on a given day. For this thread, we can argue over the first band named until the two sides are worn out, and then we'll wait for another band to be named to start the argument anew.

CheeseMonkeys

05-09-2006, 07:16 PM

Led Zeppelin is not overrated. One of the best guitarist on the planet is Jimmy page. Such good guitar riffs. Bonham was a fabulous drummer. John Paul Jones was an excellent bassist and added very nice keyboard melodies into songs. Plant was a good songwriter in my opinion. Not one of the best but he had that Rock 'n Roll voice. Perfect combination of people. One of the worlds most popular bands. It is also sad that there might not be a band in the near future that is actually good. All we have today is hip-hop shit and no good rock.

I post this viseo way to much but it is just so good. How is this ovverated?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXXUt4zHxqY&search=stairway%20to%20heaven%20solo

sparrky

05-09-2006, 07:18 PM

Led Zeppelin is not overrated. One of the best guitarist on the planet is Jimmy page. Such good guitar riffs. Bonham was a fabulous drummer. John Paul Jones was an excellent bassist and added very nice keyboard melodies into songs. Plant was a good songwriter in my opinion. Not one of the best but he had that Rock 'n Roll voice. Perfect combination of people. One of the worlds most popular bands. It is also sad that there might not be a band in the near future that is actually good. All we have today is hip-hop shit and no good rock.
you really believe that there is no good rock today? dig a little deeper my friend.

SevenTwoOffSuit

05-09-2006, 07:20 PM

CheeseMonkeys

05-09-2006, 07:40 PM

you really believe that there is no good rock today? dig a little deeper my friend.
Woah, hold on a second. I didn't mean there isn't anything good. But there isn't anything like Led Zeppelin or the beatles. Or even anything 60's through 80's is way better than music today. And don't post back crying saying that gay bands like system of a down are better or avenged sevenfold because they are not.

Mizchievous

05-09-2006, 08:00 PM

And who here grew up listening to Led Zepp.? I bet all of you that say Led Zep and the Beatles are overrated are under 20

Snoop916

05-09-2006, 08:05 PM

No, this superband you are describing is called Dream Theater, not Led Zeppelin.
there a good band but deffinatly overrated.

Ummm, No. I was describing Led Zeppelin. Dream Theater came about 25 years later. Jimmy Page actually formed the band with intentions of creating a "superband". (Doing a report on Led Zeppelin teaches you a lot.)

Davemeistro

05-09-2006, 08:06 PM

Bonham=Fucking amazing, just listen to Moby Dick.

I'm sorry, but that was perhaps, one of the gayest drum solos I've ever heard in my life.

I really do think Led Zeppelin is overrated but I have nothing against them seeing as I am a metalhead, and cannot judge them by their lack of metal.

However, I start to have a problem when people start saying everyone in Led Zeppeling is godly and that they are the best at their respective instruments. I can understand that they may have been 'godly' when they were one of the first to make real rock. I can understand that people can like them because they dig classic rock.

I however don't like classic rock, but do have a problem with kids these days who wear their t-shirts fresh from Target thinking theyre cool when they couldn't name albums, songs, members, etc. Same goes for anybody that just buys any bands t-shirts and claims to be a fan. :banghead:

Snoop916

05-09-2006, 08:19 PM

Right, that solo was "gay". Bonham would only play until his hands bled.

Davemeistro

05-09-2006, 08:28 PM

Well good for him if he was dedicated.

All I'm saying is that again, although it may have been impressive in its day, its crappy today.

Mount_Happy

05-09-2006, 08:54 PM

The only memeber of Led Zeppelin who is "godlike" in my opinion was John Paul Jones, because he was a true musicman, he played such a wide variety of instruments.

Page was a great riff-writer as well as songwriter, but as far as guitar playing goes, i never really saw him as anything that special, theres a lot of better guitarits out there.

Plant has a pretty annoying voice, but he was a good frontman.

Bonzo was a good drummer, again probably not one of the best ever, but was still very very good.

Overall, Led Zep is only overrated for me with people who say they are the "greatest band of all time." Achilles Last Stand is amongst my favourite songs though.

camjoe87

05-09-2006, 09:02 PM

All I'm saying is that again, although it may have been impressive in its day, its crappy today.
How so ?

Crappy today ... What bands are you comparing them to? I'm sorry, that is the most ridiculous statement i've read in a while.

The only real problem I had with led zeppelin for a while was getting over plants voice. Then I realized how unique and geniune his voice really was. Now I'd definately put him in my top 10 list of favorite vocalists.

Davemeistro

05-09-2006, 09:18 PM

What bands are you comparing them to?

This (http://media.putfile.com/rush-drum-solo) and this (http://media.putfile.com/stratovarius-drum-solo) mainly.

camjoe87

05-09-2006, 09:39 PM

Oh wait, you were talking about the drumming?

Either way, Rush is great. I enjoyed the first clip very much.

I also thought the drum solo in Moby Dick was pretty weak. Interesting, but weak.

a7x1337

05-09-2006, 09:48 PM

And don't post back crying saying that gay bands like system of a down are better or avenged sevenfold because they are not.
sparrky wouldn't say that cause he hates both of those bands.

i personally like system/a7x better, but i wouldnt claim they're better than zeppelin.

Davemeistro

05-09-2006, 09:57 PM

I also thought the drum solo in Moby Dick was pretty weak.

Lmao... That's what I was saying.

Lol, I would call the Moby Dick solo 'interesting' only if I were into modern art masterpieces.

i personally like system/a7x better, but i wouldnt claim they're better than zeppelin.

Me too, although I don't like A7X that much. However I would claim that A7X is better 'instrumentally' than Led Zep. I wouldnt claim that their songwriting is better because all of that is just a matter of taste.

camjoe87

05-09-2006, 09:59 PM

Lmao... That's what I was saying.

I know, I was agreeing with you.

For a second there I thought you said the band as a whole was crappy compared to today's standards. That was my only beef. I was mistaken though.

Anyway, I agree with grim. It really bothers me when someone says a band is overrated simply because they can't get into them, and a whole lot of other people like them. In reality, anyone can say any band is overrated. I tend to stay away from that word.

cushlinkes

05-09-2006, 10:02 PM

Goddamn I hate the word OVERRATED. Who gives a shit if it's overrated. If you don't like something, just say you don't like that something. Saying that things are overrated is stupid. I don't think it really matters how overrated something is, it's either you like it or you don't. Anyways, I'm not a big Led Zep fan, but I think they're alright.

YouEnjoyMyself

05-09-2006, 10:10 PM

Shit, if you think Zep is overrated, you must be listening to music straight from god.

cushlinkes

05-09-2006, 10:13 PM

Shit, if you think Zep is overrated, you must be listening to music straight from god.

Not sure if that was directed towards me, but I meant to type, "Who gives a shit if it's overrated." I accidentally typed, "Who gives a shit it's overrated." Sorry. I don't think anything is overrated. I was just explaining how much I hate the word overrated. Led Zep is alright.

YouEnjoyMyself

05-09-2006, 10:13 PM

No it wasn't directed at you.

It was directed at the nit wits who think they can judge a band such as Led Zeppelin.

cushlinkes

05-09-2006, 10:14 PM

No it wasn't directed at you.

It was directed at the nit wits who think they can judge a band such as Led Zeppelin.

Oh, okay just making sure. I did fix my spelling error though.

Snoop916

05-09-2006, 10:19 PM

Shit, if you think Zep is overrated, you must be listening to music straight from god.

Thank you. At least there's someone here not following the "I love to hate Led Zeppelin" crowd.

Davemeistro

05-09-2006, 10:21 PM

It was directed at the nit wits who think they can judge a band such as Led Zeppelin.

:confused: Why is no one allowed to judge Led Zeppelin? :confused:

I think anyone should be able to judge anything with experience or knowledge of the thing being judged, so long as the persong judging is informed.

From what I see here, most or all of the judgements here are informed.

Snoop916

05-09-2006, 10:24 PM

:confused: Why is no one allowed to judge Led Zeppelin? :confused:

I think anyone should be able to judge anything with experience or knowledge of the thing being judged, so long as the persong judging is informed.

From what I see here, most or all of the judgements here are informed.

Agreed. This is what the thread was made for.

Davemeistro

05-09-2006, 10:30 PM

This is what the thread was made for.

Yeah thats what I thought too, but apparantly BigMatt doesnt think the same way...

WesMont22

05-09-2006, 10:51 PM

I'm going to only add that Led Zeppelin was not overrated except by pseudo-musicians who say they're the best band ever. The only mis-ratings were some of their contemporaries. That's the problem. They were a great band. I just stand by my opinion that there were, there have been, and there will be greater bands than them.

a7x1337

05-09-2006, 10:51 PM

Me too, although I don't like A7X that much. However I would claim that A7X is better 'instrumentally' than Led Zep. I wouldnt claim that their songwriting is better because all of that is just a matter of taste.
you are mature

Snoop916

05-09-2006, 11:02 PM

you are mature

Are you being serious?

Davemeistro

05-09-2006, 11:17 PM

you are mature

Lmao, I'm 15.

Thinking about it though, I guess I am more mature than my buddies...

Led Zeppelin was not overrated except by pseudo-musicians who say they're the best band ever. The only mis-ratings were some of their contemporaries. That's the problem. They were a great band. I just stand by my opinion that there were, there have been, and there will be greater bands than them.

Almost exactly my thoughts. I would also like to add that they are also overrated by kids mentioned before that praise them among other bands, but don't know what the hell they're talking about.

a7x1337

05-09-2006, 11:46 PM

Are you being serious?
yeah.
a lot of people just say 'omg *band* sucks cause they do.'

he offers constructive criticism, and acknowledges talents of bands he doesnt even like.

sparrky

05-10-2006, 12:01 AM

sparrky wouldn't say that cause he hates both of those bands.

i personally like system/a7x better, but i wouldnt claim they're better than zeppelin.
Respect

10 char

Pajman

05-10-2006, 12:46 AM

Led Zep is good, but Deep Purple is better IMO.

temp100

05-10-2006, 12:55 AM

It's not fair to say Led Zep is overrated because of all the little teenie shits that run around listening to Stairway on repeat draped in merchandise. BTW, to threadstarter, 'Led Zeppelin is overrated', not 'are overrated' - common mistake.

I think the only people who overrate Led Zep are the rare people who try to factually claim that Led Zep is the greatest band ever. Frankly for me, they're fairly close to my favourite band ever - so I wouldn't exactly shout down someone whose fav band is LZ. As long as they understand the concept of opinion, it's ok. But I love Led Zep - a band full of great musicians. I wouldn't say that they were definitely the best at their respective instruments, even in their eras - but they were damn good.

Robert Plant - My opinion of him is always changing. Currently, since listening to his solo stuff, I think he's a pretty good singer who can sing a good range of styles (have you heard his solo stuff with more modernised vocals). People can make as many jokes as they want about how he is akin to Janis Joplin, but I love his raw blues singing to bits, and he has a great vocal range.

Jimmy Page - I love this guy. He has some great riffs and great solos. He's a pretty good songwriter with decent technicality (considering his era). Pretty good songwriter, and a nice range of styles. Good acoustic work too.

JPJ - This guy is great. Not only is he a pretty skilled bassist with songwriting flair and groove (Lemon Song), but he's also skilled in a range of instruments which complement the music a lot. Most underrated member.

John Bonham - In his time, he was an amazing drummer, and he's still great, but I think he has been superceded a bit more than Page and JPJ have. The drumwork is always interesting and has a lot of groove. I love Bonham's aggressive attitude/style, and no-one hits the drum harder than Bonham :D. I'm not a drummer, but I love those bass triplets. Nevertheless, he's still on my list of fav drummers.

Overall/Other: - I like Led Zep's lyrics and the LOTR references, but I wouldn't call them mindblowing. And the band chemistry was awesome in every way - they probably have one of the best singer/guitarist combinations ever. Plant and Page work very well together.

Pajman

05-10-2006, 01:10 AM

^^ Just curious, would you agree with this statement made earlier?
Me too, although I don't like A7X that much. However I would claim that A7X is better 'instrumentally' than Led Zep.

Liquid Tension

05-10-2006, 01:23 AM

It occurs to me that Bonham was a very boring drummer. Very repetitive simple beats. I don't see why he is said as being a great drummer.

temp100

05-10-2006, 01:42 AM

^^ Just curious, would you agree with this statement made earlier?
Nah, I wouldn't agree with it. I find LZ to be instrumentally superior - but in saying that, I'm accounting for songwriting as well, not just technicality.

It occurs to me that Bonham was a very boring drummer. Very repetitive simple beats. I don't see why he is said as being a great drummer.
I'm not a drummer, but it seems to me that Bonham's playing may sound a lot easier than it actually is - it seems subtle at times. While it's not equal to Peart or Portnoy in technicality, it's not easy to pull off either.

I find his drumming great (especially songs like Good Times Bad Times and Fool in the Rain). He has heaps of groove as well. He can drum in a fair few styles like Latin and funk.

Sex & Violence

05-10-2006, 01:55 AM

Shit, if you think Zep is overrated, you must be listening to music straight from god.

That had to be sig'd.

islamabub

05-10-2006, 02:04 AM

The argument with kids who hate music to be cool Versus Kids who think music makes them cool never really ends does it?

tripb19

05-10-2006, 02:40 AM

All I'm saying is that again, although it may have been impressive in its day, its crappy today.
Please never ever say shit like this. It's all relative to it's time of release. If you were around back then, today (in 2006) you'd be saying how much better Paige is then these try-hard rip-offs like Mustaine and Hammet (for example). Either like the music or don't, don't say shit like "it's crap because there's better stuff today because this guitarist shreds at 229bpm or this 6.1 DVD/CD's sound quality is so much better than Led Zep's CDs."

For the record, I am not a big fan of Led Zep.

TheGrimKreeper

05-10-2006, 07:55 AM

^^ Just curious, would you agree with this statement made earlier?
Me too, although I don't like A7X that much. However I would claim that A7X is better 'instrumentally' than Led Zep.

NO! We are not starting this again, not with any band!

Pajman

05-10-2006, 10:53 AM

Shit, if you think Zep is overrated, you must be listening to music straight from god.
You mean like Clapton? ;)

YouEnjoyMyself

05-10-2006, 01:44 PM

You mean like Clapton? ;)

Are you implying I said Clapton was overrated?

Because if I did, I was full of shit. If I did, I will retract that statement now.

Pajman

05-10-2006, 02:32 PM

Are you implying I said Clapton was overrated?

Because if I did, I was full of shit. If I did, I will retract that statement now.
No, no, no. I meant "Clapton is God." :cool:

ypsidan04

05-10-2006, 02:42 PM

It is also sad that there might not be a band in the near future that is actually good. All we have today is hip-hop shit and no good rock.

Audioslave and Velvet Revolver (assuming the latter doesn't break up). Ever since the first time I heard Audioslave, I thought they were similar to Led Zeppelin.
And who here grew up listening to Led Zepp.? I bet all of you that say Led Zep and the Beatles are overrated are under 20

So? I am 20, and I've liked the Beatles for years (actually I did grow up listening to the Beatles, on the Oldies station), and a couple years ago got into Led Zeppelin. I also have Queen's Greatest Hits and Back In Black. There's nothing wrong with getting music from before you were born.
I'm sorry, but that was perhaps, one of the gayest drum solos I've ever heard in my life.

How about "Rock and Roll" then?

wrathchild

05-10-2006, 02:52 PM

I'm not a drummer, but it seems to me that Bonham's playing may sound a lot easier than it actually is - it seems subtle at times. While it's not equal to Peart or Portnoy in technicality, it's not easy to pull off either.

I find his drumming great (especially songs like Good Times Bad Times and Fool in the Rain). He has heaps of groove as well. He can drum in a fair few styles like Latin and funk.
As single pedal drummers go, I prefer Ian Paice and of course Nicko McBrain. Have you heard 'The Mule', live on Made in Japan? I'm no drummer either, but that drum solo is particularly awesome.

YouEnjoyMyself

05-10-2006, 03:32 PM

No, no, no. I meant "Clapton is God." :cool:

Ah right on, indeed he is.

temp100

05-10-2006, 03:47 PM

As single pedal drummers go, I prefer Ian Paice and of course Nicko McBrain. Have you heard 'The Mule', live on Made in Japan? I'm no drummer either, but that drum solo is particularly awesome.
Yeah, I've heard that song - Paice is a very good drummer as well. And I have lots of love for Nicko :D.

Pajman

05-10-2006, 03:54 PM

Paice is a beast.

BassGuitar25

05-10-2006, 04:50 PM

that's right. i'm tired of hearing about them whenever i want a conversation about good rock music. i'm sick of people saying that Stairway is the most complex song ever written... and i'm sick of seeing little boys and girls wearing Zeppelin shirts with their little Green Day pins stuck through them. it's almost as bad as The Beatles.

point: they weren't that good, so get over them already.

Wrong. Go back to your Fallout Boy and stop making threads.

I agree that Stairway is not their most challenging song, but it is great none the less.

FonsecaWalls

05-10-2006, 05:15 PM

I like stairway, that's all, hmm. I don't like em', there songs never spoke to me, I tried hearing other songs and giving them a chance, but after disliking them I felt like a huge fucking poser, so i said fuck it, bring on Billy Talent

YouEnjoyMyself

05-10-2006, 05:21 PM

It has become quite popular to hate on Stairway. Sure, it is overplayed and unfortunately it is most people's only glimpse into what is Led Zeppelin. But these factors do not detract from how amazing the song is, it is a great song and you can't deny that.

That being said, I don't believe it is their best song. They have a great catalog of music and they have had a heavy influence on many bands after. Not only were the members extremely talented, but they were rock. And being rock seems to be something that is lost on many performers now-a-days.