2009 Camaro vs 2007 Mustang

[NewfZ]

Go to www.MotorTrend.com. They pitted the new Camaro concept against the new Mustang GT. Enjoy, bitches.

http://www.motortrend.com/multimedia/animations/112_0605_virtual_road_test_animations/

[DrYeRLiNt]

a "virtual" test?!? wtf does that prove? that they can make whoever they want win? YES!


until they do a real world unbiased test you can lick my balls

[pat99872]

LOL. this virtual test looks horrific

[wsuwarrior]

i beat a Saleen S7 with a mustang GT on drag racer V3 and it was more realistic than that.

[SyDias]

a "virtual" test?!? wtf does that prove? that they can make whoever they want win? YES!


until they do a real world unbiased test you can lick my balls

You can lick mine too!

[DarcSystems]

I guess if I was a chevy fan, I would take pride in motortrend bucking a brand new camaro (concept) against a 2 year older mustang. I mean...putting it up against an 09 mustang wouldn't be right at all. It may even be considered "unfair" by a chevy fan. Especially if ford did something crazy and turned the pony car into a more of a performance machine than it is now. What if they even went as far as to give the mustang some real power and call it a muscle car? That would be wild ;)

[Squibbles]

Camaros > Mustangs

With that said:

What the hell does a virtual test prove?

[DarcSystems]

Camaros > Mustangs

Oh man. Explain this one. I'd love to hear it. :)

[Squibbles]

6spd vs 5spd (nuff said there)
Im talking about Gt's and z28s, not SS's and SVT's
And it's just a personal preference

[Skiptomylue]

6spd vs 5spd (nuff said there)
Im talking about Gt's and z28s, not SS's and SVT's
And it's just a personal preference

and i do belive the LS Engines Work REAL well with breathing mods.. Intake, Exhaust, headers.. im not sure about the Stangs engines.. but i know with a Borla Exhuast, and A good intake, kooks LT headers, and a tune, you could add +50RWHP no problem..

[Squibbles]

Damn that's kinda weird as my brothers friend had a 98 LS1 in his Z28 and he added headers, flowmaster muffler( yea restricted air flow my ass, it added 12hp) and k&n intake and had 450whp. $750. not too bad IMO, He ran 7.7 on the 1/8 mile befor it was totaled and i went in a ride in it after he added all new d&s rotors on all for wheels and he hit 170mph. Yea, real shitty car

[Skiptomylue]

Damn that's kinda weird as my brothers friend had a 98 LS1 in his Z28 and he added headers, flowmaster muffler( yea restricted air flow my ass, it added 12hp) and k&n intake and had 450whp. $750. not too bad IMO, He ran 7.7 on the 1/8 mile befor it was totaled and i went in a ride in it after he added all new d&s rotors on all for wheels and he hit 170mph. Yea, real shitty car

i said 50+.. lol that was a guess.. ive never done it and i dont go to the ls1 forum anymore...but cheaps breathing mods work wonders with the LSx Engines...
like i said.. im not sure about the stang engine.. they could work well with them too

[FatBastard]

look guys, no need to argue.

the dela is this:

camaro and mustang both rule.

no wait!

oh, wait. the camaro has a bigger engine, but the Z06 would kjick it´s ass on a trakc.

oh, and the mustang can be suipercharhed, thus it´s a WRC car.

but nothing beats my dihatsu.

[Squibbles]

Yea, I think we all can agree the V8 models are bad-ass.

[Nocturnal]

So is the made up camaro Zl1 supposed to have an LS7 in it? If so I'm surprised at the performance of the GT500. Running with an ls7 is a great accomplishment.

[SyDias]

After all this my balls are still dry, not that anyone really cares! :bigwink:

Anyway,

Eh, I say driver preference.

[DarcSystems]

6spd vs 5spd (nuff said there)
A well educated, and thought out explaination. Upon this new found information, I have changed my mind about Mustangs. Even though they are not built to compete with Muscle cars (but do anyway, because Chevy can't build a decent muscle car these days) I agree that the Camaro is....


Gayer.. I didn't change my mind, it's still gayer than a mustang

[Squibbles]

You're intitled to your own opinion.

[DarcSystems]

I agree. We both are. Matter of preference in the end. I like Camaro's too, but I don't like when people say Camaro's are better than mustangs just because they prefer them more. I let history speak for itself.

[Squibbles]

And I think they're better because they have a 6spd

[wsuwarrior]

mustangs have 6 speeds too....so.....yea.

[DarcSystems]

That's your basis for a better car? An extra gear? Do the mustangs that use a T56 not count now?

[Squibbles]

If you want to spend another 12k, sure theycan count. I just prefer camaros. I think theyre easier to mod and they are cheaper. I've rode in mustangs with 500hp and ive rod in camaros with 500hp and i just liked the camaros.

[wsuwarrior]

$12k???? You can buy a T56 for $2098 from Summit............

[Squibbles]

Im talking about 99's +
and the whole car itself, not just the engine + tranny

[wsuwarrior]

Your reasons for picking the camaro over the mustang suck.

[Squibbles]

Yes, I know.

[miketru]

As a Z28 driver I say the Camaro....

Logically my 1994Z28 does 13.9 stock (initial numbers) which is about what the brand new Mustang GTs do. Whether you like Camaros or not - they are fast, and the LT1 and LS1 were both incredible engines and were better than the competition. Not to discredit Mustangs (although what I know - not much - about the pre 1998 mustangs, they were quite slow) However, the survival of the Mustang vs the (temporary) termination of the Camaro go well beyond the simple specs of HP / TQ and Weight - Ford just outsold Chevy.

With all that being said - I believe that the base (V6) and middle of the line Camaros (Z28) are better than their Mustang counterparts. However, when it comes to top of the line models the early 2000s Cobras (with the Terminator engine) blew the SS away.... although I'd still take the SS and slap on a turbo or s/c and see whats up.

I hate Mustangs with a passion, but their performance (top end) are respectable. With that being said - the specs for the 09 Camaro are better than those for the same Mustang (Ford hasn't said anything about changing their setup, that's why they used the 07 model). But then again its all just speculation until the Z28s come out again.

[Mad Rad]

Camaro's are in the same list as a pink moped to me.

[DarcSystems]

Logically my 1994Z28 does 13.9 stock (initial numbers) which is about what the brand new Mustang GTs do. Whether you like Camaros or not - they are fast,

I've had a stock fox body do 13.9. No mods whatsoever aside from timing. And that was done for free with a 1/2 inch wrench and some guessing.

[miketru]

I've had a stock fox body do 13.9. No mods whatsoever aside from timing. And that was done for free with a 1/2 inch wrench and some guessing.

Yea, I know my Z isnt the fastest in the world - hell the ZL1 Camaro would still smoke just about everything out there. I was just saying that the new GTs are not setting a speed that is unprecidented - old technology can still keep up or beat it.

[DrYeRLiNt]

see you seem to think a GT mustang is a performance car. it isn't. thats what SVT makes. a GT mustang is just your average every day V8 car. its got a little pep to it, but not so much that your average joe blow will go fuck himself over in a huge fireball because he couldnt control the power on the road.


with that being said... camaros are very respectable performance-wise. the only reason i would pick a mustang would be that the mustang has a functional back seat... and i tend to have atleast one but more often than not 2-3 passengers with me.


both good cars, and the REAL test will prove the REAL results of this test. The GT-500 might surprise you...

[DarcSystems]

Yea, I know my Z isnt the fastest in the world - hell the ZL1 Camaro would still smoke just about everything out there. I was just saying that the new GTs are not setting a speed that is unprecidented - old technology can still keep up or beat it.
cost reduction is the reason the new technology is limitting on speed. It's not what the motors do from the factory, it's their ability to expand their power from the factory that makes them great.

[wsuwarrior]

see you seem to think a GT mustang is a performance car. it isn't.

yea it is, wigger.

[miketru]

cost reduction is the reason the new technology is limitting on speed. It's not what the motors do from the factory, it's their ability to expand their power from the factory that makes them great.

Yea, that can be said for both cars at this point. The whole LSx series is proven to have the ability to be huge powerplants - as does the Terinator engine.

We can argue modded cars all day long, but we will get nowhere there are 7 second stangs, camaros, supras, corvettes, etc..

But what the question was - stock for stock - which is a better car. Hypothetically, after million in mods a Cavalier could destroy the Veyron, but does that mean it is really better. What it all comes down to price, starting point (spec wise), and looks for 95+ percent of the population. The performance between these two cars are relatively the same, the better driver would win in either car, and looks, which is subjective.

I prefer the Camaro, just like I can't stand the look of a foxbody, but that doesn't mean they are bad cars, I just won't drive it.

[wsuwarrior]

I can't stand the look of a foxbody

they are soooo sexy with shiny paint...yum

[NewfZ]

see you seem to think a GT mustang is a performance car. it isn't. thats what SVT makes. a GT mustang is just your average every day V8 car. its got a little pep to it, but not so much that your average joe blow will go fuck himself over in a huge fireball because he couldnt control the power on the road.


with that being said... camaros are very respectable performance-wise. the only reason i would pick a mustang would be that the mustang has a functional back seat... and i tend to have atleast one but more often than not 2-3 passengers with me.


both good cars, and the REAL test will prove the REAL results of this test. The GT-500 might surprise you...
Actually the GT IS a performance car you dolt. Even more, the Camaro has a large back seat then the Mustang. Your points are invalid and stupid.

[Skiptomylue]

. a GT mustang is just your average every day V8 car. .

lol chances are.. if a car has a V8.. it'll be a preformance Car.. might not be directly ment for Drag... but it will be a Preformance Car.. Example.. the new dodge Charger Srt-8 heavy..b ut has 425 hp...

[EeekiE]

cost reduction is the reason the new technology is limitting on speed. It's not what the motors do from the factory, it's their ability to expand their power from the factory that makes them great.

I'd say hippies with their safety laws and emissions shit is the culprit myself. Not cost reduction.
As for motors, aftermarket tuning ability depends mostly on capacity as to how far they can go obviously.
Capacity isn't anything to do with design. It's just scale.
If there's loads to be tweaked out of it, then it was badly designed. Or the company cut major corners and used capacity to make up for it to save money like you said.

A cylinder with a piston in it, is a cylinder with a piston in it regardless. If the stuff before and after it cripples it's ability, then aftermarket "fixes" to this will see massive gains.

So what constitutes as a good aftermarket "easy power" engine, is usually the worst at point of sale from an engineers point of view.

Just to clarify before people get upset. I'm not denying that said engine with aftermarket wont be massively powerfull and reliable etc, but that's not a credit to the manufacturers, but the tuners.

[DarcSystems]

I'd say hippies with their safety laws and emissions shit is the culprit myself. Not cost reduction.
You'd be surprised how little emissions equipment affects performance. It's mostly a downfall for aftermarket moreso than a factory powerplant. The only real downfall I see (which technology has raised the bar on) is limits on a cars gas mileage. These hybrids, and eco-cars are really kicking gas engines asses when it comes to factory standards. Company's get charged hefty fines if their cars don't meet the gas mileage requirements.

Personally I'd be happy if my factory car got 5 mpg as long as it had 500+ horsepower. It would be nice if the oil company's dropped gas prices a hair though... There's no need for them to be making this much money.

[EeekiE]

Well over here safety requirements are a big killer of new car performance. "Hot hatches" back in the day were around 800kg MAX, nowadays they're averaging 1200kgs! Couple that with the emissions laws and consumption recommendations and we have, and the requirement for restrictive catylists and it all adds up and takes the edge off. :( 80's and early 90's still my favourite era for cars. The tech was getting to modern standards, but the hippies were still interested in animals and bombs.

[clutch-monkey]

^ i hate the increasing weight of cars today :wah: My 1991 VN commodore weighed 1300 kg...the current model is like 1700kg

[DrYeRLiNt]

lol chances are.. if a car has a V8.. it'll be a preformance Car.. might not be directly ment for Drag... but it will be a Preformance Car.. Example.. the new dodge Charger Srt-8 heavy..b ut has 425 hp...


so my grandmothers Ford LTD is a performance car??? i highly doubt that.

a Granada? a Mustang II?

Mustang GT's didnt even come standard with air conditioning until like 1997, its just the next model up from a V6 mustang, kinda like how a V6 Accord isnt a performance car, its just the next model up from the 4 cylinder Accord. It's a peppy car that doesnt cost an arm and a leg.

Thats why they have (well, had) SVT.

People using Mustang GT's as performance cars, is a completely different story. If ford's intention was to make the Mustang GT a performance car, they would've made it a de-tuned 4v motor, basicly identical to the Cobras of the same year, but with less power.

[miketru]

If ford's intention was to make the Mustang GT a performance car, they would've made it a de-tuned 4v motor, basicly identical to the Cobras of the same year, but with less power.


By that logic, then none of the new Corvettes are performance cars because they do not have a de-tuned LS7. The fact of the matter is they (Mustang GT / Z28) are meant to be performance cars, just not top of the line performance - they go for affordable high performance.

[EeekiE]

Since when does Air Con denote performance?

[miketru]

Since when does Air Con denote performance?

I think the point he was making is the fact that it DIDN'T have air standard. Meaning that they left it out intentionally to milk the extra 10 -15 horses. Anytihng for power -> performance over luxory.