I just don't get thrash metal

[britishbulldog]

Could some thrash metal (and death metal) fans explain what they find attractive about the genre, I really don't understand how anyone can enjoy it.

[wrathchild]

I don't get how you don't get it. And what do you consider thrash? We might have different perceptions of the genre.

[taste_u]

It's a great release of pent-up aggression, and the compositional structures are really pleasing to me - its aggression, but measured aggression. It took me a while to get into, I recommend you listen to the songs 'My Last Words', 'Good Mourning/Black Friday' and 'Hangar 18' by Megadeth.

[johnnycupcakes]

thats why we have different music. obviously people arent going to like the same music as everyone else. people have different tastes. when you grow up, you will understand that.

[britishbulldog]

It's just so angry and dischordant. And the solo's are so crazy and atonal most it just doesn't make melodic sense to me. Is it mainly about rhythm like hardcore dance music and grime is?

thats why we have different music. obviously people arent going to like the same music as everyone else. people have different tastes. when you grow up, you will understand that.

Don't speak down to me this is a sensible debate and as I'm a producer with an A level in music and grade 8 on two instruments I think I probably know more about music than you.

[johnnycupcakes]

well if you are a producer, then you would understand genres.

and i can speak down to you, cunt.:wave:

[britishbulldog]

well if you are a producer, then you would understand genres.
Let me rephrase I understand it (for instance I know what makes it thrash metal) I just don't understand why people like it.

and i can speak down to you, cunt.:wave:

Thats not speaking down to me thats flaming me.

[wrathchild]

What thrash have you heard?
It might go some way to explaining why you don't like it.

[tripb19]

Your loss. More for me.

[britishbulldog]

Slayer, Antrax, Sepultura thats it really unless you count slipknot and korn oh and pantera.

Korn wasn't too bad

[wrathchild]

Well Slayer and Anthrax's solos aren't exactly the best, and one of the Slayer guitarists has admitted he doesn't know musical scales. Anthrax aren't very angry, they're more fun. Sepultura only did 2 or 3 thrash albums, the rest is nu-metal. Pantera aren't really thrash and only did a couple of decent albums.

Korn and Slipknot are shit. [/end discussion about that]

Come back when you have listened to Megadeth (Hanger 18, My Last Words, Tornado of Souls, Wake up Dead, Rattlehead) and Testament (Alone in the Dark, the New Order, Trial By Fire, The Preacher)

Also, I know several people who are doing Music A level and like metal.

[britishbulldog]

Also, I know several people who are doing Music A level and like metal.

I'd imagen there's loads, 4 out of 9 in my music set were metal heads. It just doesn't seem musical to me.

[Daucus Karota]

I cant stand Thrash and Death Metal

[a7x1337]

Could some thrash metal (and death metal) fans explain what they find attractive about the genre, I really don't understand how anyone can enjoy it.
i quite agree. while i enjoy the instrumentals, the vocals tend to be intolerable. thats why when i find a metal band with a good singer, which is tough to come up, i get excited.

[judge weiner]

I cant stand Thrash and Death Metal

you sir are a pussy

[kledster]

you have to be in the right setting/time and in the right state of mind... then you will find that it is fucking badass (as long as it's "good" thrash though)

[wrathchild]

i quite agree. while i enjoy the instrumentals, the vocals tend to be intolerable. thats why when i find a metal band with a good singer, which is tough to come up, i get excited.
Yet you listen to a7x :rolleyes:

[/a7x suck hijack]

What do you consider a good singer anyway?
These thrash/death bands have good singers (IMO):
Nuclear Assault
Anthrax
Megadeth
Exhorder
Metal Church
Testament (early)
D.R.I.
Mekong Delta
Overkill (early)

you sir are a pussy
Probably still not as pussy as someone I know who said they got headaches from listening to Led Zeppelin.

[Daucus Karota]

you sir are a pussy
I like some Black Metal

[a7x1337]

Yet you listen to a7x :rolleyes:
yes. whiney as some consider shadows to be, he still sings, and i personally enjoy his vocals.
if a band screams or shouts or growls etc, in order for me to like them, they have to mix in some clean vocals.

[Davemeistro]

if a band screams or shouts or growls etc, in order for me to like them, they have to mix in some clean vocals.

Iced Earth is for you.

[Mount_Happy]

You sir, need some Megadeth.

[MiKe]

^Indeed. I prescribe a large dose of Rust in Peace.

[a7x1337]

Iced Earth is for you.
doing some aural research on this band.
so far i've only hear Winter Nights and im listening to The Coming Curse right now.
any particular song suggestions?

[DazednConfused]

It's just so angry and dischordant. And the solo's are so crazy and atonal most it just doesn't make melodic sense to me. Is it mainly about rhythm like hardcore dance music and grime is?
Much of it's not meant to actually be enjoyable in the traditional sense. Think about watching a horror movie or tasting hot salsa/ vodka. I doubt many people would describe any of these experiences as pleasant but that doesn't mean you can't get something out of them. Those are the best parallels I can give you.
Slayer, Antrax, Sepultura thats it really unless you count slipknot and korn oh and pantera.

Korn wasn't too bad
I'd recommend giving Slayer another listen. They have made some really good music in their day. The solos are off and on, but they arn't as bad as people in this thread would have you think, and they often fit well within the song. Check out Raining Blood, Angel of Death, and Postmortem off of their Reign in Blood album. To put it in perspective, you might also want to check out a less thrashy song by them called "Seasons of the Abyss", on the album of the same name. It's well done too.

Thrash is a mix of hardcore punk music and regular metal. You'll often hear influences from other genres too though. That type of punk, as far as I can tell, gets its appeal from it's rhythm, it's intensity and speed, and often it's lyrical themes. The rhythms, speed, and intensity of the music are a key part of thrash, and similar lyrical themes often carry over. Metal is a very large genre, but pure heavy metal, or at least the type that influenced thrash gets it's appeal from it's riffs(not necessarily from the feeling of rhythm you get from them, but from the sound of them in it's own right), it's soloing, it's powerful drums, and the feeling of "heaviness" you get from listening to it. Thrash, at it's best, combines all of these elements, creating what is, in my opinion, some great music.

[wrathchild]

doing some aural research on this band.
so far i've only hear Winter Nights and im listening to The Coming Curse right now.
any particular song suggestions?
Dante's Inferno
Burnt Offerings
Pure Evil
Angels Holocaust
Stormrider
Travel in Stygian
A Question of Heaven
Dracula

[MiKe]

I'd recommend giving Slayer another listen. They have made some really good music in their day. The solos are off and on, but they arn't as bad as people in this thread would have you think, and they often fit well within the song. Check out Raining Blood, Angel of Death, and Postmortem off of their Reign in Blood album. To put it in perspective, you might also want to check out a less thrashy song by them called "Seasons of the Abyss", on the album of the same name. It's well done too.

Good suggestions, but to give him a good idea of their differing styles over the years, I'd suggest listening to anything from the following CDs.
These are IMO their absolute best:

1-Divine Intervention....the first album with replacement drummer Paul Bostaph, some of their most agressive music ever
2-Reign in Blood....Widely recognized as a thrash metal landmark, it's one of the best thrash records ever. Every track is text-book perfect thrash metal
3-South of Heaven....This one just doesn't get enough credit. It's fuckin awesome, a must-have
4-Show No Mercy....Thier first album, it has some great songs that have practically been forgotton. "Crionics" is one of my favorite Slayer songs ever and most people never heard it
5-Diabolus In Musica....An often over-looked masterpiece. It's one of the most unique albums they've made and it stands out because of it. Even though it's quite different, this is one of my favorites

Honorable Mention:
Live Undead---An early live album, it contains songs from their first 2 albums Show No Mercy and Haunting the Chapel). The live versions kick ass, but like I said it's only songs from 2 albums so there isn't a whole lot to see here.

Undisputed Attitude---A compilation of cover songs, Slayer pays tribute to their influences from the old-school punk/metal genres. A good listen if you appreciate that kind of music.

Decade of Agression---A double-disk live album, this is also one of my favorites. Released in early 1990's, it contains all the best songs from all their best albums to date, and all of them are performed even better then the originals. A must-have for true fans.

[Metallic]

I'd recommending avoiding the big 4 of thrash and listening to 5 bands listed by me, that won't give you aids.

Mekong Delta
Bifrost
Overkill (Nothing new, anything before Horrorscope)
Destroyer 666
Andralls

[CheeseMonkeys]

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So attractive:rollseyes

[MiKe]

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So attractive:rollseyes


I think you're confusing thrash with death metal and emo.

[Superior_to_you]

ROOOOOOARAAAR RAAAHHHHHHHRR RRAAAHHHHH CUUUT MY SELLFF ROOOAAAR!

So attractive:rollseyes

Shadow of the Reaper - Six Feet Under (http://media.putfile.com/Shadow-of-the-Reaper---Six-Feet-Under)

Pretty easy to understand... No self mutilation either...

[johnnycupcakes]

you being the "producer" that you are, should understand people have different tastes in music.

[SAPAiC]

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So attractive:rollseyes
Closed minded moron. I have never heard a thrash song that said cut myself or any other form of self mutilation... Thats because I don't look at the lyrics and only listen to the aggresion in the vocals and instruments

[RustyShakleford]

ROOOOOOARAAAR RAAAHHHHHHHRR RRAAAHHHHH CUUUT MY SELLFF ROOOAAAR!

So attractive:rollseyes
I absolutely hate people who say that. Honestly, it's not THAT hard to listen to the music, and understand what they're saying. 98% of the time the songs are nothing like that either. I get in heated arguments almost everyday with people about this because they refuse to quit being ignorant and listen to what i'm saying, or the music. I've told people I'm listening to the fucking dreamtheater, rise against, a perfect circle, foo fighters, etc. and they retort with "oh heavy death metal shit.", seriously. It's really getting retarded.

I also hate when someone asks what type of music I like, i'll tell them metal, punk, hardcore, rock. and they reply with "slayer?!"

[Kellenator]

I'd recommending avoiding the big 4 of thrash and listening to 5 bands listed by me, that won't give you aids.

Mekong Delta
Bifrost
Overkill (Nothing new, anything before Horrorscope)
Destroyer 666
Andralls
Andralls? I'll look into 'em. You haven't steered me wrong in any recommendations yet.

[GrammarFocus]

I don't understand it either.

I think Megadeath are a bit tame for what most would describe as "thrash metal" though. Tornado of Souls is a good song :)

Prefer melodicy too. I also hate people who "express" themselves and "emotions" through music. For example:

Trapped in purgatory
A lifeless object, Alive
Awaiting reprisal
Death will be their acquisition

The sky is turning red
Return to power draws near
Fall into me, The sky's crimson tears
Abolish the rules made of stone

Pierced from below, Souls of my treacherous past
Betrayed by many, Now ornaments dripping above

Awaiting the hour of reprisal
Your time slips away

Raining blood
From a lacerated sky
Bleeding its horror
Creating my structure
Now I shall reign in blood!

A rather popular song, just sounds stupid. Especially when screamed.

[judge weiner]

Prefer melodicy too. I also hate people who "express" themselves and "emotions" through music. For example:

Trapped in purgatory
A lifeless object, Alive
Awaiting reprisal
Death will be their acquisition

The sky is turning red
Return to power draws near
Fall into me, The sky's crimson tears
Abolish the rules made of stone

Pierced from below, Souls of my treacherous past
Betrayed by many, Now ornaments dripping above

Awaiting the hour of reprisal
Your time slips away

Raining blood
From a lacerated sky
Bleeding its horror
Creating my structure
Now I shall reign in blood!

A rather popular song, just sounds stupid. Especially when screamed.

i hope you're being sarcastic

[Mount_Happy]

I think Megadeath are a bit tame for what most would describe as "thrash metal" though. Tornado of Souls is a good song :)
I wouldnt call Megadeth "tame" in the least bit, listen to "Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good!" for some real thrash, none of the shit on there is "tame". Not playing as fast as you fucking can like Slayer doesnt mean a band is "tame".

Rust In Peace has some thrash greats like "Take No Prisoners", "Holy Wars", hell every song on there is great, but it isnt as edgy as their early albums, none of their stuff after SFSGSW is.

[GrammarFocus]

i hope you're being sarcastic

No I'm not in the slightest... it's gay.


And by the way, I haven't heard much Megadeth atall, so I wouldn't know what most of it is :)

[SAPAiC]

No I'm not in the slightest... it's gay.


And by the way, I haven't heard much Megadeth atall, so I wouldn't know what most of it is :)
Wow... You must be awfully bad at music if you think Slayer trys to convey emotions in the least bit.. EVER.
What do you listen to?

[GrammarFocus]

Wow... You must be awfully bad at music if you think Slayer trys to convey emotions in the least bit.. EVER.
What do you listen to?

I thought the "I"s and "my"s would've shown that it was themselves involved there.

Listen to anything and everything, Oasis, to Pink Floyd, to crazy dance, to Marylin Manson's 80's covers.

Depends on the mood and such.

[Metallic]

Andralls? I'll look into 'em. You haven't steered me wrong in any recommendations yet.

Andralls are CRAZY! Fast and Heavy straightforward thrash from Brazil. Force Against Mind is my favorite release by them.

On the topic of Brazil, also check out Torture Squad's release Pandemonium. It's amazing.

[camjoe87]

i hope you're being sarcastic
He has "Noel > You" under his name. Nothing he says can be taken seriously.
Much like Noel's guitar playing and musical ability. It's a joke.

As for me, I like a lot of metal. I just have trouble with the harsh vocals and growling.

[GrammarFocus]

He has "Noel > You" under his name. Nothing he says can be taken seriously.
Much like Noel's guitar playing and musical ability. It's a joke.

As for me, I like a lot of metal. I just have trouble with the harsh vocals and growling.

That's what I mean. I don't listen to music for the musical ability. If I wanted to do that I'd may as well set a MIDI program running 400 notes a second.

He writes good songs, which is more than can be said for most, and he's dyslexic :cool:

[SAPAiC]

I thought the "I"s and "my"s would've shown that it was themselves involved there.

Listen to anything and everything, Oasis, to Pink Floyd, to crazy dance, to Marylin Manson's 80's covers.

Depends on the mood and such.
WHY DOES EVERYONE PICK ON SLAYERS LYRICS?! Slayer is NOT serious, and don't make serious lyrics. So anyways lets take a look see at the lyrics...

*editing out lyrics, if you are too lazy to look up I sincerly hope your head explodes*

BY GOLLY! I do believe it says 'I' ONCE and 'my' TWICE it says me once however that was not a word you chose to represent your case. The song is about hell and is being described by SATAN. Yeah right Kerry King rules hell... Besides, since when was Slayer 'quite popular, let alone the song 'Raining Blood' their biggest song off that album was 'Angel of Death' but you didnt mention that one because of the lyrical content and saying it sounds stupid is ignorant.

Why the fuck do you listen to music? you say you listen to it for melodicity or whatever you said, and you hate people conveying emotion through lyrics, then you say you don't listen to music for musical ability and you love good songs. Contradiction alert!

[Rev'd_Flasher]

I also hate people who "express" themselves and "emotions" through music.
Isn't that, pretty much, the entire point of all music?
Since the beginning of time the human race has used various ways of communicating our ideas, stories, thoughts & feelings to each other. From cave paintings and the first guy to bang a stick against a rock, through to modern art and modern music, it's all essentially doing the same thing - expressing the emotions of the individuals that created it.
Forget trying to understand thrash as a genre, if you don't understand that simple concept about all music, then seriously, FOAD.

[temp100]

Andralls are CRAZY! Fast and Heavy straightforward thrash from Brazil. Force Against Mind is my favorite release by them.

On the topic of Brazil, also check out Torture Squad's release Pandemonium. It's amazing.
Definitely. Pandemonium is a great album, full of brutality. :cool:

But I can't say that I've heard Andralls - I'll have to give them a shot.

[PattyWackit]

I don't understand it either.

I think Megadeath are a bit tame for what most would describe as "thrash metal" though. Tornado of Souls is a good song :)

Prefer melodicy too. I also hate people who "express" themselves and "emotions" through music. For example:

(for some reason the Raining Blood lyrics didnt show up?)

A rather popular song, just sounds stupid. Especially when screamed.


yeah you are totally right, if the backstreet boys sang that.. it would be much cooler. :err:

do you even think before you type? thats the dumbest thing ive heard "especially when screamed" how would it sound cooler? if some bloody wristed emo fag was whining those lyrics?