I don't like Bush or Kerry...

[DaIce72]

As an American, I really don't feel comfortable with either of these men running our country. What would be some alternatives? Also, what is the shot of an independent or minor party ever winning a presidency?

Does anyone else feel like this?

Sometimes I find my self listening to Bush, and I will think "We cannot let this man run our country again..." But when I listen to Kerry, and hear stories like the one posted by Kanism, I don't think he would cut it either. Maybe I should just write in somebody on my ballot... :( :confused:

[Bergs]

Bush may have his problems but Kerry would be a fucking disaster.

[Viceroy]

As an American, I really don't feel comfortable with either of these men running our country. What would be some alternatives? Also, what is the shot of an independent or minor party ever winning a presidency?

Does anyone else feel like this?

Sometimes I find my self listening to Bush, and I will think "We cannot let this man run our country again..." But when I listen to Kerry, and hear stories like the one posted by Kanism, I don't think he would cut it either. Maybe I should just write in somebody on my ballot... :( :confused:

My advise is this. Do your own research. Watch the news, read newspapers. See which politician appeals to you. If you want a third party candidate though, by all means vote for one.

[DaIce72]

My advise is this. Do your own research. Watch the news, read newspapers. See which politician appeals to you. If you want a third party candidate though, by all means vote for one.

See I have pretty much given up on the news. Fox News especially. They seem to slant things in a right wing direction very often. (Also, I cant stand Bill O'Reilly)

I am deffinetly not voting for either of these men, but my problem with voting for third party canidates is that they have no support. My vote would be wasted, and I would still be stuck with an imbecile for president.

Don't get me wrong, I love America, but I seriously think that we lack any kind of responsible leadership right now. If this continues to happen we will constently continue to lose power around the world.

I seriously think that we need to rebel angainst "standard" politicians here in the U.S. (Not violently). Too many of them are special interest driven, only doing things that help/interest them. Most of them are biggots.

[Viceroy]

See I have pretty much given up on the news. Fox News especially. They seem to slant things in a right wing direction very often. (Also, I cant stand Bill O'Reilly)

Too right. We get it here in Britain on Sky TV. It's absurd.

[Bergs]

No more right than CNN is left.

[Viceroy]

No more right than CNN is left.

Maybe so. But I can rely on the professionalism of CNN, even if they are Left. The same cannot be said for FOX.

[Sketcher]

Maybe so. But I can rely on the professionalism of CNN, even if they are Left. The same cannot be said for FOX.

And why not? Fox is very professional in the way they conduct the news.

[Bergs]

Oh right, leaning left is the basis of professionalism, lean right and your an amatuer. You are such a huge hypocrite.

[Bergs]

OMG you are so full of shit. CNN ran a headline once that said "Bush against Taiwan independence." What he actually said was he supported the status quo between Taiwan and China in which Taiwan is independent but China refuses to recognize this under threat of war if anybody tries to change this. Thats professional?

[Viceroy]

And why not? Fox is very professional in the way they conduct the news.

Oh yeah, laughing at Iraqis, cutting the microphones of people who get the upper hand in a debate. That's real professional journalism.

[Viceroy]

Oh right, leaning left is the basis of professionalism, lean right and your an amatuer. You are such a huge hypocrite.

Don't put words into my mouth.

[Bergs]

Don't put words into my mouth.

What putting?

[Sketcher]

Oh yeah, laughing at Iraqis, cutting the microphones of people who get the upper hand in a debate. That's real professional journalism.

What the hell are you talking about. They never cut mics. Never. O'Reilly did a couple times but thats it. And that was only because they kept changing the subject and refusing to talk about the issue. At least on Fox you get both sides of the story. Look at the Hannity and Colmes show. Hannity is conservative, Colmes is a liberal. You can't get much more fair and balanced than that. All they do on CNN is bash Republicans and almost never invite a conservative on their shows so they can defend themselves. Yeah, thats real professional.:rolleyes:

[Viceroy]

"We report, you decide"

Wow, I'm allowed to decide? Good lord, and I didn't know I needed to be qualified by FOX to think for myself.

"Fair and Balanced"

Why do they feel they need to say this? Shouldn't we, who watch it, decide whether it's fair, or indeed balanced?

[disturbed2]

Does anyone else feel like this?


Only the retards in florida do, why cant you just select one bubble?

[<th>]

Bad to live in a country with only two partys which have nearly equal views and programms, but at least Kerry is not going to play Star Wars with a missile defense system.

[Sketcher]

Bad to live in a country with only two partys which have nearly equal views and programms, but at least Kerry is not going to play Star Wars with a missile defense system.

We won't have a defense if Kerry is elected.

[Dozzi]

Yeah and TH I hope North Korea nuclear bombs your fucking house but you survive but have to eat from a tube in your stomach and breathe through one in your neck for the rest of your life. You'll thank your missle defense system later. I can't believe you have a beef with something that is out to protect you and everyone in this country. Protecting the masses of America has neither a liberal nor conservative bias. It is something both parties and everyone in the country can agree is a good thing.

[droogsteve]

"We report, you decide"

Wow, I'm allowed to decide? Good lord, and I didn't know I needed to be qualified by FOX to think for myself.

"Fair and Balanced"

Why do they feel they need to say this? Shouldn't we, who watch it, decide whether it's fair, or indeed balanced?
What are you yammering about now? Those are advertising slogans, nothing more. The New York Times is liberal and their slogan is "All The News That's Fit To Print". Do you see me saying: "OMG, who the hell are they to decide what's fit to print? Good lord, do I really need the Times to decide what's fit for me to know and then spoon feed it to me??!!"

Get a fucking grip.

[Karly]

What are you yammering about now? Those are advertising slogans, nothing more. The New York Times is liberal and their slogan is "All The News That's Fit To Print". Do you see me saying: "OMG, who the hell are they to decide what's fit to print? Good lord, do I really need the Times to decide what's fit for me to know and then spoon feed it to me??!!"

Get a fucking grip.

That was great. Too funny.

[shade]

But I can rely on the professionalism of CNN, even if they are Left. The same cannot be said for FOX. Like how they purposely did not report about the human rights violations committed by Saddam in the 90s?

Oh yeah, laughing at Iraqis, cutting the microphones of people who get the upper hand in a debate. That's real professional journalism. ????? I dont know what fucking channel you watch, but that is not fox news.

Why do they feel they need to say this? Shouldn't we, who watch it, decide whether it's fair, or indeed balanced? Cite a time where they had a republican guest without a democrat guest of equal standing.

Bad to live in a country with only two partys which have nearly equal views and programms, but at least Kerry is not going to play Star Wars with a missile defense system. Youre right, we sure dont need to worry about Kerry spending a cent on defense. I for one am worried by that though.


http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.c om/

[DaIce72]

Only the retards in florida do, why cant you just select one bubble?

I'm sorry, but I wasn't one of the idiots in my state that did that. Do to our high population of old, rich people, we seem to have a lot of confusion sometimes. But then again, at least my avitar isn't a leprachaun. Thanks for the flame...

EDIT: Also, I seem to have touched off a cable news debate. I think both are shit, but they can't even compare to al-jazeera (sp?) or some of the stuff arabian news channels put out. Anyways, Fuck CNN, Fuck Fox. I say watch both and try to sift your way through the bullshit.

[Fossil]

Like how they purposely did not report about the human rights violations committed by Saddam in the 90s?

Which violations would those be exactly?

[shade]

People disapearing and families being murdered for dissent. Also, the horror stories from hundreds of people about being tortured for dissent. The complete annhilation of groups that opposed the regime.

This was admitted by the head of CNN.

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/cnnexec.htm

[madadder]

Yeah and TH I hope North Korea nuclear bombs your fucking house but you survive but have to eat from a tube in your stomach and breathe through one in your neck for the rest of your life. You'll thank your missle defense system later. I can't believe you have a beef with something that is out to protect you and everyone in this country. Protecting the masses of America has neither a liberal nor conservative bias. It is something both parties and everyone in the country can agree is a good thing.

Bush hasn't done much to protect against North Korea except attacking Saddam. Wait, Saddam is in Iraq and Kim Jong Il is in North Korea. So why haven't we done anything to protect ourselves against psychos in charge who are actually PROVOKING us? Also the Hannity and Colmes show has had people script what they say and Hannity has threatened to cut Colmes' mic many times even when a bad comedian says something on topic arguing Hannity. The CEO of FOX is also known as having a very conservative opinion. Hell, he hired Bill O' Riley and has sponsered Ann Coulter and her crazy,misinformed slander. CNN is leaning to the left, but they got Wolf Blitzer man. C'mon, with a name like Wolf Blitzer, how can you argue. Just kidding by the way. If you want actual knews without bias (these guys don't make enough money to have a bias) then read the Associated Press. Cable television is not a reliable source to get your news. The only thing it is good for is comedy, cartoons, and softcore porn. By the way, I'm independent so I'm really not on to credit for these things. Just take this little tidbit into consideration and also, stay away from opinions, they are your enemy.
:)

[Bergs]

Bush hasn't done much to protect against North Korea except attacking Saddam. Wait, Saddam is in Iraq and Kim Jong Il is in North Korea. So why haven't we done anything to protect ourselves against psychos in charge who are actually PROVOKING us?

Because within 5 minutes NK could turn SK partcularly its capital into a smoldering crater with conventional artillery. That is, unless you would like to see a loyal and prosperous ally get turned into a pile of rubble.

And youre right, the AP is probably your best source for unbiased news.

[Sketcher]

Bush hasn't done much to protect against North Korea except attacking Saddam. Wait, Saddam is in Iraq and Kim Jong Il is in North Korea. So why haven't we done anything to protect ourselves against psychos in charge who are actually PROVOKING us?

Bush hasn't done much?! He's built up pretty much our entire defense we have right now after Clinton let it waste away. And with Kerry in office, well, I think his past voting record on defense should be enough to scare anybody, Republican or Democrat, from voting for him. Kerry is one of the LAST people I would trust in charge of our country in a time when terror alerts are high.

[madadder]

I should have questioned that one better. Why did we go after Iraq's leader and not North Korea's because he is much more dangerous to the world than Saddam. Hell, if he attacked South Korea then his own people would hate him seeing as how many people in North Korea are from South Korea. There would be riots and an attempt to overthrow the government. I know Kim is a moron, but I don't think he would be stupid enough to blow up his own country. That would kill him too. Please keep this civil and don't flame. Let's try and stay on topic here instead of get into a battle about which news is better. The person I'd vote for (if I could vote) would be an independent candidate. Seeing as how the only one in is Nadar, I would have to create my own party and nominate Extreme Akim from Eye for an Eye (my god I watch stupid things). :D
Damn, I couldn't find a pic of him. :mad:

[DeeDee]

North Korea would f us up.. sorry to break it to you. We need to tread a little more cautiously with them.

[Bergs]

No, we would fuck NK up but not until SK was a smoldering ruin. That is why we havent attacked. That and Kim Jong was just trying to blackmail us like he did with Clinton. Bush wouldnt stand for it and now we have the current situation. Negotiations with a hard stance by the US and our allies in the region including China is the way to go here for the sake of the lives of thousands of American troops as well as the lives of possibly millions of asian nationals in the region.

[madadder]

Bush hasn't done much?! He's built up pretty much our entire defense we have right now after Clinton let it waste away. And with Kerry in office, well, I think his past voting record on defense should be enough to scare anybody, Republican or Democrat, from voting for him. Kerry is one of the LAST people I would trust in charge of our country in a time when terror alerts are high.
A defense that believes in the slogan, "look at the pretty colors." I never said I supported Kerry. I don't think any of them should win, Kerry has shifty politics and Bush likes to take vacations when there are warnings flying all around him. And don't say anything like "Liberal Bullshit" or "Shut up Pinko Scum" because the warnings were real Richard Clarke did issue that memo to Bush, but Condi "I'm fighting for whitey" Rice blocked all attempts of it ever getting through to the president. Clarke's own department got money cut from it after he first issued the warning. Don't start attacking Clarke either because he worked under three Republican Presidents and one Democrat so he must have been doing something right. Only when he disagreed with Bush did he get fired from his position. Then after his book was released he starts getting attacked by all of Bush's cabinet on cable news chanels. Now please, stay on topic people.

[madadder]

North Korea would f us up.. sorry to break it to you. We need to tread a little more cautiously with them.
Who exactly are you addressing?

[DeeDee]

Well, my apologizes.. I could go thru the whole post and state everyone that said we did nothing on N Korea, but i am not. You did however say that Bush did nothing about N Korea. you asked why we have nothing about countries that are provoking us. I believe that N Korea could cause us major damage and definately agree with Bergs that they would make S Korea a big fat pile of rubble. As for Kim Jong? I think he is plenty insane and would destroy anything and anyone in his way to get what he wants.

And as for whom I would vote for, which was the intial post, that would be Bush. I do not think either Canidate is a shining example of what a leader should be, but I believe him to be the lesser of two evils. As for Nader, well, to me that is throwing your vote away. Republicans are pretty loyal. When Independents vote for an canidate such as Nader they tend to take the votes away from Democratic demographics. I have many a time heard that principle arguement, but if you know your guy is going to lose, why wouldn't you vote for a canidate that isclosest to what you agree with that has a chance of winning?

Lastly, for the news channels. They are all biased. I very seldom see a news outlet that does not push some sort of agenda, whether to the left or to the right. Personally, I don't really care in one regard because all people are entitled to their own opinion. However, what does bother me is that journalism is to be based on facts, not on opinion. Slanting the news is what used to be called,"yellow journalism". I feel that both sides do this. I am quite sure that the arguement that would be raised is HOW the news is interpreted. I tend to think this is a piss poor excuse. In terms of media I definately believe their is a clear and obvious agenda to push views as opposed to state facts. Personally, I tend to look at both CNN and Fox news. I believe the truth has got to be somewhere in the middle.

[madadder]

Thanks for clearing that on up Deedee. I just wasn't sure on who you were talking to. Also, it must be a good thing I can't vote right now, I'm only 15. Man, 15 year olds get insulted a lot on this site. Why do you old people hate young people?

[DeeDee]

madadder- I would not take any of this personally. They say two subjects you should never argue about is religion and politics. People always get heated about it. I do not really see anyone insulting you ( maybe I missed it), I think they are just debating with you.

[madadder]

No, no one is insulting me. I'm just saying that 15 and younger seems to be the scapegoat whenever many are refering to stupidity. That's all my comment was.

[Dozzi]

Originally Stated by DeeDee
Bush did nothing about N Korea

Bush did nothing, because that country would collapse within days of our attack and nuclear bombs would be launched instantly. They threatened us becasue they did not have the medical supplies to keep disease and sickliness out of their country. Their people are dying because they are putting 99% of their economy into their nuclear arms. They want to be a nuclear power at any cost, and if they get the power of ICBMs, it's hard to see them not attacking us in the future.

Bush, however is prepared for that. His missile defense system is put up to stop ICBMs from hitting U.S. soil. In either way if N. Korea would care to wage a war, Bush would have this country prepared to defend and retaliate if necessary. Preemptiveness is not a need in N. Korea.

[droogsteve]

Also, it must be a good thing I can't vote right now, I'm only 15. Man, 15 year olds get insulted a lot on this site. Why do you old people hate young people?
What in the blue fuck are you whining about? This an internet forum, not the fucking Psychic Friends Network. How would anybody have the first fucking clue how old you were until you decided to bitch that you were being picked on because of your age?

People get pissed when they talk politics and everyone on this forum gets insulted sometimes. If you can't deal with it without whining like a little bitch, there are plenty of teen chat rooms around for you to go to.

[DaIce72]

What in the blue fuck are you whining about? This an internet forum, not the fucking Psychic Friends Network. How would anybody have the first fucking clue how old you were until you decided to bitch that you were being picked on because of your age?

People get pissed when they talk politics and everyone on this forum gets insulted sometimes. If you can't deal with it without whining like a little bitch, there are plenty of teen chat rooms around for you to go to.

LoL...That was great...

I think I have found a solution. I am not going to vote! If I can't find it in my heart to vote for either of these men, then neither of them are going to recieve my vote in November. Fuck 'Em. {Thread Closed}

[Karly]

What in the blue fuck are you whining about? This an internet forum, not the fucking Psychic Friends Network. How would anybody have the first fucking clue how old you were until you decided to bitch that you were being picked on because of your age?

People get pissed when they talk politics and everyone on this forum gets insulted sometimes. If you can't deal with it without whining like a little bitch, there are plenty of teen chat rooms around for you to go to.

haha- yeah I think i'll pull the race card next time someone insults me.
:D

[Sketcher]

LoL...That was great...

I think I have found a solution. I am not going to vote! If I can't find it in my heart to vote for either of these men, then neither of them are going to recieve my vote in November. Fuck 'Em. {Thread Closed}

If you don't like Bush or Kerry, just go with Nader then.

[Merkulrdanu]

Which violations would those be exactly?

well, ive shared before, but i have several kurds at my school, and all othem have lost family members, one has shared about some of what happened, including narrowly escaping a massacre of thousands.

how about testing nerve gas on them, thats an atrocity
how about reducing them into poverty and making thm run constantly, how about the years of living in a refugee camp that my friend went through

[madadder]

What in the blue fuck are you whining about? This an internet forum, not the fucking Psychic Friends Network. How would anybody have the first fucking clue how old you were until you decided to bitch that you were being picked on because of your age?

People get pissed when they talk politics and everyone on this forum gets insulted sometimes. If you can't deal with it without whining like a little bitch, there are plenty of teen chat rooms around for you to go to.
I'm not talking just politics and screw this arguement. I know I'm not gonna win, I'll be bombarded by everyone so fuck that.

[Karly]

I'm not talking just politics and screw this arguement. I know I'm not gonna win, I'll be bombarded by everyone so fuck that.


dont feel that way- as annoying as some of us may be- we really do care about everyones opinion, even if we dont agree. please state your beef- inquiring minds wanna know! ;)

[Fossil]

how about testing nerve gas on them, thats an atrocity
how about reducing them into poverty and making thm run constantly, how about the years of living in a refugee camp that my friend went through

I don't think it was ever a big secret after the late 80s that Saddam was a bad guy, doing bad things to people in Iraq.

I also don't think that what CNN did in the 90s, by choosing not to publish certain stories, was part of some liberal left wing conspiracy or that CNN was in bed with Saddam. CNN chose not to publish some stories in order to protect their crew and sources over in Iraq from Saddam's retribution. Journalism ethics, woah there's a shocker.

And if they had published the stories, so what? It's not as if hearing that Uday covered another of his exgirlfriends in honey and fed her to a pack of starving rottweilers would have lowered American public opinion of Iraq anymore that it already was.

[madadder]

I just don't want to talk about a stupid subject that should not have even been brought up anyway in this thread. Who cares what age you are? Besides, I'm bored with politics today. I had to talk about it all day today. Damn school! :mad:

[Sketcher]

I also don't think that what CNN did in the 90s, by choosing not to publish certain stories, was part of some liberal left wing conspiracy or that CNN was in bed with Saddam. CNN chose not to publish some stories in order to protect their crew and sources over in Iraq from Saddam's retribution. Journalism ethics, woah there's a shocker.

I guarantee you you wouldn't be saying that if it was Fox that did something like that.