Cop Fired

[Hitokage]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/cop-fired.html

...Holy crap. That guy would have scared the hell out of me. Its in that woman's rights to drive until she can pull over to a more populated area. I would have called 911 and asked if it really was a cop following me. And stayed on the phone with them to make sure.

*shudder* I don't even know what I would have done if I was that woman. The cop wouldn't even let her get out of her seat belt!

[Ruza_Dragin]

I think you call #77 or something from a cell phone to check to see if it's a cop. Yeah, that's just sad. And you can't understand what he's saying cause he's yelling so damn loud.

[Hitokage]

Actually that's in very, very places. I think every carrier (cell phone ones) have a 'number' but its different. Some part of me remembers hearing that that is actually not true...

I'd just call 911. Then you know who you're getting.

[Shay]

Nah, you'd probably just blow fire on him. ;)

[roccenstein]

Complete and TOTAL B.S. This STUPID woman drives with a CLEARLY labeled police car following her for EIGHT miles and she claims she didn't know for sure it was a cop? What, the paint scheme, siren, and flashing lights weren't enough for her? Granted, the cop went a little overboard, but still you have to look at it from his point of view, he's been following this woman, lights and siren blaring, for EIGHT miles, he has to be wondering why she isn't pulling over. I'm sorry, but if a cop pulls behind me and flashes his lights, I'm pulling over. If you're stupid enough to keep driving, then you get what you deserve. This guy should have gotten a suspension, nothing more, and NO WAY IN HELL did this woman deserve a six figure payout for a few scratches. I could see if he was beating her Rodney King (ANOTHER moron, who's whole problem could have been solved by pulling over when the police first flashed him) style, but all he did was push to the ground.

[SupesXP]

^^ i agree..he shouldnt have been fired for that..the black woman played stupid and said uhh is that a real cop ..and looks like from where she was that it would have been a hell of a drive just to get to a more populated area..1. she didnt obey the cop and pull over 2.he had every right to get physcial since her ass didnt pull over which reallly pisses of ANY cop..3 white cop vs black person=black person winning 100% of the time shouldnt work anymore..she didnt even get out of the car it was like she was stalling

[Refuse]

Complete and TOTAL B.S. This STUPID woman drives with a CLEARLY labeled police car following her for EIGHT miles and she claims she didn't know for sure it was a cop? What, the paint scheme, siren, and flashing lights weren't enough for her?

Do we have to explain it again to you Rocc?

Any vehicle, with a little money, can be transformed into what appears to be a squad car. If you're not from the area and you don't know exactly what that counties squad cars look like, you can be fooled. It's not impossible.

ALSO
Just because she wanted to get to a more populated area DOESN"T mean she didn't think it was a real cop car. There could be any number of reasons for her wanting to get to a more populated area without her ever doubting it was a real police car.



Granted, the cop went a little overboard, but still you have to look at it from his point of view, he's been following this woman, lights and siren blaring, for EIGHT miles, he has to be wondering why she isn't pulling over. I'm sorry, but if a cop pulls behind me and flashes his lights, I'm pulling over. If you're stupid enough to keep driving, then you get what you deserve.


Didn't I already give you a link showing you the authorities in this county shown approve of people driving to a more populated area before pulling over?
Since you didn't read it the first time, here it is again.
http://www.lasd.org/stations/for3/industry/aboutus.html

If you are uncomfortable stopping in a relatively unpopulated or unlighted area, slow down, turn on your hazard lights and indicate by a hand signal that you are going up ahead. Then pull over as soon as you get to a more populated area.

Granted she didn't turn her hazards on or motion (that we know of), but its not like they hand out pamphlets at the grocery store. Not saying that puts her in the clear, just saying that it doesn't mean she deserves whatever happens to her...

It's like you think that since he's a cop, he MUST be in the right...

[Gish]

I think he deserved it. I live in South Carolina and our cops are always real jerks here. I got pulled over once and the cop tried to accuse me of resisting arrest when in reality I pulled over ASAP. The judge said I was lucky he didn't throw me in a jail. I'm a law-abiding college student and they go freaking nuts over me going 13 over the lame 25 speed limit. Guess I should feel "lucky." Fun state to live in! Our position as the worst state in the U.S. in regards to education really shows :banghead:

[roccenstein]

Do we have to explain it again to you Rocc?

Any vehicle, with a little money, can be transformed into what appears to be a squad car. If you're not from the area and you don't know exactly what that counties squad cars look like, you can be fooled. It's not impossible.

I'll give you that, but even so, would you be willing to bet your freedom on that? If a car following me looks like a genuine police car, I'm pulling over. I'd wager that 99.999% of the time, its going to be a genuine police car.

ALSO Just because she wanted to get to a more populated area DOESN"T mean she didn't think it was a real cop car. There could be any number of reasons for her wanting to get to a more populated area without her ever doubting it was a real police car.

Like maybe that she needed time to think up a good enough story to earn herself a six figure payment?



Didn't I already give you a link showing you the authorities in this county shown approve of people driving to a more populated area before pulling over?
Since you didn't read it the first time, here it is again.
http://www.lasd.org/stations/for3/industry/aboutus.html

I don't remember you giving me this link before, but it doesn't change my point, which is still, are you willing to risk it? Are you willing to take the chance and keep driving, knowing that the cop (assuming he's genuine) may get angry, and may assume you're running, and/or resisting arrest? Not me.



It's like you think that since he's a cop, he MUST be in the right...

No, like I said, he DID overreact. My original point was that he didn't deserve to be fired, and she didn't deserve a six figure payment.

[Shay]

The reason why he was so pissed is because he was originally going to rape and kill her on the secluded roads.

[Hitokage]

This is the reason I would have called 911. They could have said either, 'No, this isn't a real cop car we're sending someone ASAP!' or 'Yes, you can pull over. Stay on the line.'

I doubt the woman was really trying to scam money out of the state. She was probably scared out of her freaking mind when he started to freak out when she was doing she is LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO! (Waiting to pull over.)

[GenralisimoHanz]

Yeah six figures sounds a little steep...

[Pwnage_Pimp]

This is the reason I would have called 911. They could have said either, 'No, this isn't a real cop car we're sending someone ASAP!' or 'Yes, you can pull over. Stay on the line.'

I doubt the woman was really trying to scam money out of the state. She was probably scared out of her freaking mind when he started to freak out when she was doing she is LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO! (Waiting to pull over.)

Wouldn't you agree that "waiting" for 8 miles is just a teeny bit overboard?

[Shay]

Wouldn't you agree that "waiting" for 8 miles is just a teeny bit overboard?

If that's how long it takes, then that's how long it takes.

[roccenstein]

If that's how long it takes, then that's how long it takes.
Personally, I'd guess it takes a lot less than that for a cop to assume you must have some felonious reason for not pulling over.

[Shay]

Personally, I'd guess it takes a lot less than that for a cop to assume you must have some felonious reason for not pulling over.

You're obviously not in-touch with your feminine side. :rolleyes:

[Hitokage]

I'd say 8 miles is indeed pretty ridiculous. I mean, I can't say how I'd react. She was probably a little freaked out, and maybe it was her first time getting pulled over.

[roccenstein]

You're obviously not in-touch with your feminine side. :rolleyes:
If you drive for eight miles after a cop has first flashed his lights at you, then you better be prepared for him to get in touch with your feminine side.

[MutantCircus]

Yeah, after eight miles of following this woman, one wouldn't expect him to keep workong on the assumption that this is nothing more than a typical speeder. Still, the woman was within her rights and he went totally overboard. He deserved what he got. He had no call to draw his gun, let alone handle her like that. Passing traffic could have easily killed her, which is why on highways the cop is supposed to take you off the road before anything else, unless you're showing some kind of threat.

Many cops don't seem to realize that you can wait to pull over, though. The one and only time I've been pulled over kept driving literally about 20-30 feet after his sirens turned on, just because there was sidewalk ahead and I figured that would be a safer place to pull over, and yet the officier still kept asking me why I wouldn't pull over.

[Hitokage]

I totally agree with you, Mutant.

The only time I was ever pulled over (5 mph over the speed limit...grrr), the cop was actually very nice about it. There was no where to really pull over, and he followed me (calmly) until I was somewhere safe.

I wouldn't have just pulled over on the side of a HIGHWAY though! That's really damned dangerous!

Hasn't anyone seen the video of the car and the cop car pulled over on the side of the road and someone hits the car?

[nighthawk39]

He had no call to draw his gun? Give me a break!

When a cop is pursuing someone for 8 miles, with no idea of whether or not that person was going to stop, how is he supposed to know whether it's some granny or a drug dealer. This could have easily turned out to be a druggie with a gun under his seat. Fortunately it wasn't, but it's better safe than sorry.

He did go WAY overboard after that though. After he holstered his weapon he had no reason to be as aggressive as he was (keeping in mind we couldn't see what was happening in the car).

[MutantCircus]

He had no call to draw his gun? Give me a break!

When a cop is pursuing someone for 8 miles, with no idea of whether or not that person was going to stop, how is he supposed to know whether it's some granny or a drug dealer. This could have easily turned out to be a druggie with a gun under his seat. Fortunately it wasn't, but it's better safe than sorry.Even if it was a drug dealer, that's not cause for him to pull a gun on them. He's only to do that if he needs to protect himself, and not pulling over is in no way threatening the officer.

[BATeller]

for you complete idiots who think you should pull over for any car with flashing lights, let me give you one word... galls.

http://www.galls.com/category2.html?assort=general_catalog&cat=2704

Anyone can buy them (yes… even without proof of being an emergency official) and yes I have personally seen kids use them on side roads to get cars to pull over.

Even more recently we've had incidents of people being raped and robbed by gun point by people imitating police officers (Mountgomery County, MD... also an incident last year on George Washington Parkway, Arlington, VA).

As long as the car is clearly not speeding, stays to the far right of their lane, etc. No cop can argue that the suspect was "fleeing.” If she had a cell phone, the proper thing to do would have been to call 9-1-1 and had the operator stay on the line until the officer identified themselves.

[roccenstein]

for you complete idiots who think you should pull over for any car with flashing lights

I never said to pull over for ANY car with flashing lights, and if you're stupid enough to pull over for a shitbox old dodge with blue lights, then you get what you deserve. What I was talking about, and what is taking place in this video, is someone being flashed by what appears to be a genuine police car (black & white or some other variation, siren, roof lights, etc), NOT an undercover sedan (which COULD be some douche who bought cop lights off the 'net).

Do me a favor, next time you're out driving (assuming you're old enough to drive, I sometimes forget the average age of the infants in this forum...) do something to attract the attention of the local police, then, when they turn on their lights and siren, drive on for 10 or 12 miles (at the posted speed limit, of COURSE) and then, after you've pulled over, and in between the cop pulling you out of your car because he thought you were running, and him wrestling you to the ground, try to explain to him that its YOUR right to drive to an area where you feel safe. I'm SURE that at that point he'll say something along the lines of "Well, am I embarrassed! Please accept my most sincere apologies, fine, law abiding citizen, and have a seat back in your vehicle while I retrieve you a snack and/or some refreshments from my cruiser!"

[navid]

fuck that redneck. good he is gone

[themine1234]

I love how a couple of the dumbasses above mentions that she happens to be black. If she were white, I bet those dumbasses would not have said, "well that white woman should have pulled over." Maybe they thought that we would confuse her with the other woman who was pulled over so they had to specify? Or maybe their opinion about the woman's behavior has something to do with her race? Nah, couldn't be...

[diddley]

God damn this video is so freakin old... it was all over the TV news about 10 years ago. :banghead:

[A550RGY]

The six-figure settlement is fucking bullshit. So you got a little roughed up. Did you miss work because of a scratch on the nose? You get an apology and your doctor's bill's paid, bitch; that's all!

[marcus]

Do me a favor, next time you're out driving (assuming you're old enough to drive, I sometimes forget the average age of the infants in this forum...) do something to attract the attention of the local police, then, when they turn on their lights and siren, drive on for 10 or 12 miles (at the posted speed limit, of COURSE) and then, after you've pulled over, and in between the cop pulling you out of your car because he thought you were running, and him wrestling you to the ground, try to explain to him that its YOUR right to drive to an area where you feel safe. I'm SURE that at that point he'll say something along the lines of "Well, am I embarrassed! Please accept my most sincere apologies, fine, law abiding citizen, and have a seat back in your vehicle while I retrieve you a snack and/or some refreshments from my cruiser!"

yea...you could totally tell that woman was running away when he pulled her out of the car [/sarcasm]

it is your right...and if that asshole jerked me out of my car like that...i'd sue the fuck out of him..and hopfully ruin his family

[Essenz]

ahhh off couse the woman is fat and ugly and yeah maybe stupid and hysterical but a police man should be a professional and not a fucking regular joe redneck racist with a gun ,a taser and pepperspray but no education or patient. I really doubt that a guy like this will help you if someone stole you moms Tv or raped your gf.

[Refuse]

I'll give you that, but even so, would you be willing to bet your freedom on that? If a car following me looks like a genuine police car, I'm pulling over. I'd wager that 99.999% of the time, its going to be a genuine police car.



I agree...but there are some good people out there that have come across some bad cops in their time or have had a fake cop affect their lives somehow...be it a family member, a friend or they themselves.

The point is, the possibilities are there and we shouldn't ignore them. It's a sort of "walk a mile in their shoes" sort of thing. We don't know what they're thinking otherwise.


Like maybe that she needed time to think up a good enough story to earn herself a six figure payment?


That's very well possible as well.
I'm not at all saying that she's 100% innocent...she could be lying out her ass for all I know.




I don't remember you giving me this link before, but it doesn't change my point, which is still, are you willing to risk it? Are you willing to take the chance and keep driving, knowing that the cop (assuming he's genuine) may get angry, and may assume you're running, and/or resisting arrest? Not me.


If I were a soccer mom or an old black lady that felt uncomfortable pulling over with just the cop and myself, and I saw the link I posted for you...then yes. I'd rather have an angry cop give me a big ole ticket than be raped on the side of the road with nobody around.
Don't tell me it's not a possibility.

Besides... you've got a clear defense. It's on the LASD's Own Website, published by the Sheriffs Department themselves.



No, like I said, he DID overreact. My original point was that he didn't deserve to be fired, and she didn't deserve a six figure payment.

Okay, then we agree on that too...

[Hitokage]

ahhh off couse the woman is fat and ugly and yeah maybe stupid and hysterical but a police man should be a professional and not a fucking regular joe redneck racist with a gun ,a taser and pepperspray but no education or patient. I really doubt that a guy like this will help you if someone stole you moms Tv or raped your gf.

....Learn punctuation, capitalization, and generally how to write. I had to read this three times and I still think I barely understand what you wrote here.


No, the woman probably didn't deserve a 6 figure sum. But I think the cop DID deserve to be fired. If he was treating her like that, that cop has some serious issues he needs to have worked out before he can go back to such a stressful job. She wasn't going for a gun, she wasn't trying to run, she was just trying to get out of her SEATBELT and he did treat her with waaaay too much force at the end of that all.

The payment, I doubt, was for the doctor bill - more for harassment/humiliation/whatever. I'd probably have been terrified and so utterly humiliated if I was that woman. (I still like to think I'd be smart enough to call 911 before I drove 8 miles.)

[shuvit087]

Actually that's in very, very places. I think every carrier (cell phone ones) have a 'number' but its different. Some part of me remembers hearing that that is actually not true...

I'd just call 911. Then you know who you're getting.

That way you can get a ticket for talking on your cell phone as well.

[morgan55]

Complete and TOTAL B.S. This STUPID woman drives with a CLEARLY labeled police car following her for EIGHT miles and she claims she didn't know for sure it was a cop? What, the paint scheme, siren, and flashing lights weren't enough for her? Granted, the cop went a little overboard, but still you have to look at it from his point of view, he's been following this woman, lights and siren blaring, for EIGHT miles, he has to be wondering why she isn't pulling over. I'm sorry, but if a cop pulls behind me and flashes his lights, I'm pulling over. If you're stupid enough to keep driving, then you get what you deserve. This guy should have gotten a suspension, nothing more, and NO WAY IN HELL did this woman deserve a six figure payout for a few scratches. I could see if he was beating her Rodney King (ANOTHER moron, who's whole problem could have been solved by pulling over when the police first flashed him) style, but all he did was push to the ground.


Well maybe if you had heard about the abductions that have been happening, (which is the reason the #77 has become so popular) because people can easily buy the red lights to put in their car you would understand why she was scared. Besides, she's also black and black people know how white, asshole cops are to them. I think she does deserve the money because that cop was a fucking asshole. Also, she was by HERSELF, which is the main target for abductions, in a low populated area and also it said that she was a student FROM Florida, this is in South Carolina. She's probably travelling and isn't from around there. I would be just as scared. You are so WRONG.

[RealWinner1000]

I really don't think that in a time of panic or worrying about a cop a person is thinking "OH man, I'm going to get so much money from this!"

Yeah, didn't think so.


Exactly. It's practically impossible she let the cop follow her for eight miles, with the intention of suing. She had no idea at the time she was going to be dragged out from her car, have a gun pointed at her, and be handled disrespectively (especially because those are the reasons she was suing in the first place). "If he follows me for a really long time, maybe I'll get him mad enough so that he pulls me out of the car and beats me. Then I'll sue and get so much money from it." Doubt it.

The cop got what he deserved. It looked like she was driving below the speed limit in the breakdown lane and he should have known she was going to pull over, especially because she didn't speed up or try to drive away. He's been a cop for over 11 years. If he's getting that pissed off over something so stupid, imagine how brutal he'd be with a drunk driver, or someone who actually wanted to get away.

[A550RGY]

Exactly. It's practically impossible she let the cop follow her for eight miles, with the intention of suing. She had no idea at the time she was going to be dragged out from her car, have a gun pointed at her, and be handled disrespectively (especially because those are the reasons she was suing in the first place). "If he follows me for a really long time, maybe I'll get him mad enough so that he pulls me out of the car and beats me. Then I'll sue and get so much money from it." Doubt it.
She wasn't thinking that, I'm sure, but I WILL BE the next time I get pulled over.

Why not refuse to pull over for 8 miles? If by chance the cop roughs you up, you're rich. If not, you have the apparently perfectly legal excuse (according to the law experts we have here in the forum) of being afraid he wasn't a real officer.

[Hitokage]

That way you can get a ticket for talking on your cell phone as well.

...Not illegal in my state to talk on the cell phone?

[Dayve]

That woman deserved what she got... We all could clearly see the fierce resistance she put up to being arrested there... I mean, he's trying to pull her out of her car, and she had the ordasity to tell him her seatbelt was stopping her when we all could clearly see she was fiercely resisting arrest? Ludicrous.

[Litio]

Funny, the woman is black. No wonder!

[Just Spurplin]

Funny, the woman is black. No wonder!
Funny how you comment on it. No wonder!

[graffiti1]

you know what i think what happened?
i think she did have drugs in the vehicle, and she swallowed the drugs while she was going those 8 miles.

however that probably didnt happen and if i had a gun and i was on that scene i would have put a bullet in his head.

[tomgreen]

this is a prity old video

[Cousin Eddie]

yeah ... old vid. I remember when this hit the news & they started using the "contempt of cop" phrase describing how some cops feel like ... "I'm a cop! How DARE she not pull over immediately!!!" & he fumes & fumes over it & takes it out on the woman. He is obviously raging mad.

[samanthakayee]

A few years ago in the Detroit Free Press there was a story about a cop cutting off a woman's finger.

"A Detroit police officer with a knife cut off the finger of a 45-year-old woman he was trying to handcuff in a parking lot on 8 Mile... The police, who were in plainclothes, said she was resisting arrest. The woman, Joni Gullas of Detroit, said Monday that she thought she was being carjacked."

[Cousin Eddie]

A few years ago in the Detroit Free Press there was a story about a cop cutting off a woman's finger.

"A Detroit police officer with a knife cut off the finger of a 45-year-old woman he was trying to handcuff in a parking lot on 8 Mile... The police, who were in plainclothes, said she was resisting arrest. The woman, Joni Gullas of Detroit, said Monday that she thought she was being carjacked."

I just read a bit on that (looked it up).... seems the cop was attempting to cut the woman's coat sleeve so he could use handcuffs. But to accidentally cut off a woman's finger while doing so??? Jesus! :uhoh:

Detroit officer severs woman's finger

Cop says he was cutting coat to cuff her

A Detroit police officer with a knife cut off the finger of a 45-year-old woman he was trying to handcuff in a parking lot on 8 Mile.

The police, who were in plainclothes, said she was resisting arrest. The woman, Joni Gullas of Detroit, said Monday that she thought she was being carjacked.

According to police reports obtained by the Free Press, Officer Anthony Johnson pulled out a knife Sunday morning to cut off the sleeve of Gullas' oversized coat so he could put her left hand in the handcuffs.

Johnson, of the 9th (Gratiot) Precinct, has been placed on desk duty, a typical move after officers use force during arrests. Gullas has not been charged with a crime.

Cmdr. Ralph Godbee Jr. said only that internal affairs was investigating the officer's behavior during the incident, which happened about 2:30 a.m. Sunday. Though the department does not issue knives, many officers carry them for, among other things, cutting seat belts to free accident victims.

Johnson and two other officers were riding in an unmarked car on a special burglary patrol when they noticed Gullas' van in a parking lot near the Huddle Lounge near 8 Mile and Gratiot.

Gullas said she had just left the bar and was waiting for others to come out so they could go together to breakfast when a car pulled up and someone shined a spotlight in her face.

A man approached, said he was the police and demanded her identification. Gullas said she could make out only a silhouette and asked the man for police identification.

"I just thought I was getting hijacked right then and there," she said. After some heated give-and-take between the two over IDs, Johnson approached the window and demanded Gullas' license.

He wrote in his report that Gullas smelled of alcohol but refused to produce her license, saying she wasn't doing anything wrong.

She shifted the car into reverse and began to back up, he wrote. Gullas denies that she moved the car.

Johnson wrote that he reached inside to open the door, and Gullas pinned his hand with her knee and began moving the car backward again. Johnson wrote that he hit her in the face, opened the door and pulled her outside onto the pavement. He said she was pulling and pushing away from him violently.

He cuffed her right hand, but couldn't get to her left hand, which she had tucked under her body. He pulled on her coat sleeve and she pulled her hand inside, he wrote. Gullas denied doing that and said the sleeves on the coat normally hang over her hands.

Concerned that she might be reaching for a weapon, Johnson pulled out a pocket knife and cut the sleeve off "to speed up cuffing process," he wrote.

He severed her left ring finger at the top knuckle and deeply cut her middle finger, she said. Police at the scene recovered the fingertip, but it could not be reattached.

At her east side home Monday, Gullas nursed her bandaged hand, which required surgery at Detroit Receiving Hospital.

"I wasn't fighting. I just didn't know what the heck was going on," she said. "Oh, my God, it hurts. I might as well have cut the whole hand off."

[AsHopeDies]

If she drives for 8 miles going 90, then the cop has reason to react this way. But if she obeys the speed limit or less and shows no signs of running, then cops are trained to know that the person is simply trying to get to where they are more comfortable pulling over, I asked my neighbor (a cop) about this and he said it makes HIM much more comfortable with the person gets somewhere more populated.

Regardless of the length she drove, if she wasn't speeding away from him, he had NO reason to react this way. What a fuckup.

[Hitokage]

*nod* Exactly! Specially when he was trying to practically pull her ARM off when all she was trying to do was get her seat belt off.

[OrangeSword]

This happend 10 years ago. Not many people had cell phones then.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/cop-fired.html

...Holy crap. That guy would have scared the hell out of me. Its in that woman's rights to drive until she can pull over to a more populated area. I would have called 911 and asked if it really was a cop following me. And stayed on the phone with them to make sure.

*shudder* I don't even know what I would have done if I was that woman. The cop wouldn't even let her get out of her seat belt!

[Hitokage]

This happend 10 years ago. Not many people had cell phones then.

I *definitely* would have waited to get somewhere more populated, then!

[adamante82]

The cop was wrong...no doubt about it. But that lady shouldn't have driven 8 miles, that's a little extreme. Both were wrong in this case, but the officer more so than the lady.

I'm very surprised it was only a 6 figure settlement too. You'd be shocked at what people sue for and how much they get.

[ThePope]

That's great. Because of one dick she sues the whole police department and takes money from honest cops who keep civilians safe.