hmmm- tell me what you ppl think

[Karly]

read this (http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/03/teen.sex.charge.ap/index.html)

I really dont see the wrong doing in this instance. He was 18 & the girl was 15. She never tried to even get away. I dunno whatto believe here.

[Disconnect This]

i hate that fucking law. 18 to be an adult...i mean that's fine for smoking and 21 for drinking, but 18 to have sex with who ever you desire? theirs a difference between rape and just casual sex...A REAL BIG DIFFERENCE. it's not force, and if it was he deserves it. honestly it's so stupid and nieve for them to even think of sexual acts by age. that's like saying only legal adults can get rubbers.

holy jeebus. what a world we live in.

[Bergs]

Age of consent laws are obviously necessary but making it so straight forward and flat is ridiculous. Technically while my gf was 18 for the month that I was still 17 and we had sex it was illegal. I feel so violated! :rolleyes:

[Karly]

okay now- you failed to make yourself clear on this- what exactly do you deem an appropiate age then? I mean age of consent laws are there for reasons- however I am merely disagreeing with this one case due to the fact that a 15 year old girl & an 18 yearold guy isnt that strange.

[Karly]

exactly....when they made that law they were probably thinking around the lines of an old fart and some crazy preteen slut. i seriously think they abuse that.


oh okay- so we are on the same page- goody.

[Sketcher]

Dixon, who is black, has claimed he was targeted because he was black and had sex with a white girl. His case drew protests from the NAACP.

This is rediculous. Doesn't the NAACP realize that statitory rape is the same for all races? Even IF he was targeted (which I think is rediculous), what he did was wrong and the NAACP seems to think that all that matters is his race and not what he did.

[Disconnect This]

exactly....when they made that law they were probably thinking around the lines of an old fart and some crazy preteen slut. i seriously think they abuse that.

[JustinJJ]

The strange thing i find about this is that if it was a 16 year old girl and a 19 year old guy, no one would care, but when she's 15 and he's 18, they now add on the molestation charge even though the difference in age is the exact same.

[ramittinbawdeep]

must be kinda weird over in the usa, over here sex, married, smoke at sixteen, even have gay sex if thats ur thing, but you cant have a drink after wards as u need to be 18, is it true you cant drink legally over there till ur 21?

[Dozzi]

In New Jersey, where I live, the consent law states that relations between 18 and 16 year olds are okay, 19 and 17 okay, and anything beyond that.

So he deserves to be found guilty on the statutory rape charge.

The others I'm not too sure about, because the story may be skewed in some way, by a false testimony by the girl, in an attempt to save face... but if what she says is true, he should serve the 10 years he was given.

What sickens me the most, is the pulling of the "Race Card".

"It's because I'm black," is such bullshit. Black people, and I'm not being racist, use the color of their skin as an advantage, which is descrimination and racism. It's sickening.

[Bergs]

must be kinda weird over in the usa, over here sex, married, smoke at sixteen, even have gay sex if thats ur thing, but you cant have a drink after wards as u need to be 18, is it true you cant drink legally over there till ur 21?

Hell no. Driving varies by state but generally its 16 to start learning and no place is more than 18 to be driving by yourself. Everything is 18 here except drinking which is 21. :rolleyes:

[Karly]

Hell no. Driving varies by state but generally its 16 to start learning and no place is more than 18 to be driving by yourself. Everything is 18 here except drinking which is 21. :rolleyes:


kinda fucked up when you think about it- your country can send you to die but heaven forbid you have a beer! :rolleyes:

[Bergs]

Its not even so much that. If you arent in the military that arguement is useless. But EVERYTHING is 18. You can fucking VOTE but you cant drink. its insane. And the argument for safety is BS because they certainly arent stopping me from smoking.

[Sketcher]

Bergs, think of it this way though. At 18, most kids are starting college. Alchohol can really screw up a persons life if abused and the start of college really isn't a good time to risk that. At 21, though, people are usually more mature and pretty much know what it is they want to do with their life. By that time, the average person wouldn't want to risk that.

I don't really have an opinion one way or another. Just trying to be objective.

[Bergs]

1) Why on Earth is that the government's business?
2) Its not stopping me from drinking as much as I want, I'll just get in trouble if caught now.
3) Cigarettes dont fuck up people's lives?

[Jesus-The-Jedi]

I say we let him go, sure he raped a couple children, but its Micheal Jackson, Micheal Jackson, Come on montel.

[RaYmOnD]

I'm 18 and I'm doing everything legally in my country. Fuck waiting till 21, that's jsut stupid.

In England:

Aged 16: Smoke, have sex, Drive a ped :p

Aged 18: Drink alcahol & Get into all pubs and bars, buy porn, go to strip bars.

Aged 21: The odd clubs in London you can now get into.
Dixon, who is black
Haha, Emphasise Black.

[Karly]

I say we let him go, sure he raped a couple children, but its Micheal Jackson, Micheal Jackson, Come on montel.


riiiiiiight.

lay off the crack.

[DeeDee]

I really don't know what the appropriate age is, I just know that I have heard and seen instances where Daddy's little girl likes it hard and often, than she get's caught and the next thing you know.. bam.. there's some poor guy being dragged into court for bonin a girl 3 years younger than him who has slept with half the damn neighborhood.. I know these rules are put in place for a reason but in some instances it is hardly fair.

[shade]

okay now- you failed to make yourself clear on this- what exactly do you deem an appropiate age then? Texas is flexible. Its you cant have sex with someone under the age of 17 unless you are within about 2 years - or a judge is not retarded and can recognise the difference between rape, consensual sex, and manipulative "consensual" sex.

[Dozzi]

Shade I don't believe it's a judges job to be deciding that. In either way. If the defendant is found guilty by a jury of his peers, he should serve the time the prosecution could allow him. If he's found innocent he serves none. The judge, although given the ability to overturn a ruling, should not overturn it based on whether or not he thinks it was consensual, manipulative consensual, or rape.

[seaweed]

1) Why on Earth is that the government's business?
2) Its not stopping me from drinking as much as I want, I'll just get in trouble if caught now.
3) Cigarettes dont fuck up people's lives?

1) It's the governemnt's responsibility to maintain a stable society, not at a personal level, but at a national level, as a whole
2) A typical kiddy concept, it almost sounds as if you think it's cool to be drinking underaged and being a rebel. With that sort of mind, god knows what you would do when you're heavily intoxicated
3) Cigarettes can screw people's lives in health, financial and social aspects


Anyway about the article. Minors are normally not aware of the possible consequences of practicing sexual intercourse. Some of you are saying that the girl was 15 and and the guy was 18, that they are closely aged and are old enough. Then what is the basis of being at a similar age and being old enough? When are people truly old enough or when is the age ever close? Once you start making such argument, everyone will start giving different definitions or guidelines.

Puberty begins as early as from the age of 11, so it is technically possible for kids in junior highschools to become pregnant. Imagine the possible outcomes of such ignorant young girls to have sex and possibly getting pregnant, since they weren't educated well enough.

[Bergs]

1) It's the governemnt's responsibility to maintain a stable society, not at a personal level, but at a national level, as a whole

Then they are hypocrites because alcohol does not cause anywhere near the damage that cigarettes cause. The 1500 or so deaths saved by having the drinking age at 21 pales in comparison to the 600,000 people that die a year due to smoking.

2) A typical kiddy concept, it almost sounds as if you think it's cool to be drinking underaged and being a rebel. With that sort of mind, god knows what you would do when you're heavily intoxicated

Not at all, I simply enjoy drinking on a weekend night and as an adult citizen of this country I should be allowed to do it.

3) Cigarettes can screw people's lives in health, financial and social aspects

Yes, so that makes your first point mute. Nobody can ever make your first argument regarding any drug without having to deal with this. If the government cared that much they would outlaw this as well. They dont. They are merely bowing down from political pressure froms groups such as MADD and oppressing a group that has little political power.

[321 gizzo]

why would 18 be the legal adult age? of all the ages, why 18? and who cares how old you have to be to bonk. the gov't is gay.

[seaweed]

OK I didn't really notice the question mark in your third point so I kind of misunderstood your point in mentioning it...

Anyway cigarettes, unlike alcohols, cannot kill a person from simple overdose. A person will have to smoke continuously for a long period for the cigarette to have its various harmful effects on the smoker; therefore, it is a long term harm on the health. All financial and social issues are based on the rights the person has so the government would naturally have no power to prohibit it.

This brings up another point on why alcohol as a drug is legal, whereas others such as marijuana and crack are illegal. These illegal drugs are illegal because they can be overdoesed easily and cause death or long term damage to the health. Other drugs can have immediate effect that can cause harm, like barbituates can inhibit pain reception and god knows what people might do afterwards. Alcohol can be overdosed too but the extent of the damage is smaller than the illegal drugs and long term health damages take longer to show its symptoms.
( http://www.passyourtest.com/drug_types.htm )


Also about the drinking age being 21, you're talking only in terms of the death rate and you're ignoring all the crimes that are alcohol related.
http://www.indiana.edu/~adic/effects.html
http://www.alcoholconcern.org.uk/files/20040312_160130_Statistics%20for%20Strategy%20rele ase.pdf
http://www.nh-dwi.com/caip-206.htm

http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/Reports/Journal/abbey.aspx
This site talks about a research that indicates how half the college sexual assault cases are alcohol related. As people enter college at 18, I think its reasonable that the drinking age be 21.

[Nocturnal]

i hate that fucking law. 18 to be an adult...i mean that's fine for smoking and 21 for drinking, but 18 to have sex with who ever you desire? theirs a difference between rape and just casual sex...A REAL BIG DIFFERENCE. it's not force, and if it was he deserves it. honestly it's so stupid and nieve for them to even think of sexual acts by age. that's like saying only legal adults can get rubbers.

holy jeebus. what a world we live in.


that's why it is typically charged as statutory rape, a much less serious offense. It is necessary to discourage adult men from taking advantage of young girls (under 18?) . You have to draw the line somwhere, do you think 18 and 12 is ok? 18 and 11? 18 and 14?

In MD the age of consent is 16, if the girl is 16 you have to be within 4 years of her age for it to be legal. so 16 and 20 is ok, 17 and 21, etc. but 15 and 19 is not ok. 15 and 15 is technically not ok, but they are both minors so it is not really a big deal. All in all I think the way MD has it setup is reasonable.

[Sketcher]

Then they are hypocrites because alcohol does not cause anywhere near the damage that cigarettes cause. The 1500 or so deaths saved by having the drinking age at 21 pales in comparison to the 600,000 people that die a year due to smoking.

Your right. Alchohol only harms a person if they abuse it. Cigarettes hurt people no matter what. I heard they're trying to band smoking in all resteraunts and other public places in some states.

[droogsteve]

I heard they're trying to band smoking in all resteraunts and other public places in some states.Here in NYC they already have. No smoking in ANY public buildings, not even bars.

[BigMattTheHobo]

Here in NYC they already have. No smoking in ANY public buildings, not even bars.

Not in bars, that is bullshit.

[Bergs]

OK I didn't really notice the question mark in your third point so I kind of misunderstood your point in mentioning it...

Anyway cigarettes, unlike alcohols, cannot kill a person from simple overdose. A person will have to smoke continuously for a long period for the cigarette to have its various harmful effects on the smoker; therefore, it is a long term harm on the health. All financial and social issues are based on the rights the person has so the government would naturally have no power to prohibit it.


But alcohol like most drugs will only hurt you if it is abused. If its not abused, good times for all. As Sketcher said, cigs will hurt you no matter what. You cant not abuse cigs.

[droogsteve]

Not in bars, that is bullshit.
Are you saying that it's bullshit as in the law is fucked up or it's bullshit as in I'm making it up? Because I assure you, I'm not.

[BigMattTheHobo]

Are you saying that it's bullshit as in the law is fucked up or it's bullshit as in I'm making it up? Because I assure you, I'm not.


I know it isn't made up, I seen it on the news. The law is bullshit.