identity cards

[ramittinbawdeep]

dont know if u "foreigners" have them or not, but a pilot scheme started over here regardind a national id card with fingerprints ansd even an iris scan. its a good thing in my opinion, personally think putting a persons dna on it would be helpful too. it will help cut out benefit fraud credit card fraud and might help on the war on terror, but already the namby pamby social doo gooders with too much free time on there hands are saying its a civil rights issue, but mine and most of the publics opinion is that if you have nothing to hide then you shouldnt have a problem with it except its costing everyone £40 a go ($60-65),so iwas wondering if your country has them and your opinion on it

[Mugatu]

I only think the card is a good idea if its implanted in my neck.

[Viceroy]

dont know if u "foreigners" have them or not, but a pilot scheme started over here regardind a national id card with fingerprints ansd even an iris scan. its a good thing in my opinion, personally think putting a persons dna on it would be helpful too. it will help cut out benefit fraud credit card fraud and might help on the war on terror, but already the namby pamby social doo gooders with too much free time on there hands are saying its a civil rights issue, but mine and most of the publics opinion is that if you have nothing to hide then you shouldnt have a problem with it except its costing everyone £40 a go ($60-65),so iwas wondering if your country has them and your opinion on it

All good points, except I fail to see how they would help fight the war on terror. Also, there is a civil liberties issue if they make ID cards compulsary to carry around.

[j.elohim]

I am saying now that i will NOT carry one of these cards nor will i EVER pay for one. I would like to see what they will do if i fail to comply, put me in jail maybe? How stupid would that be!

[Viceroy]

I am saying now that i will NOT carry one of these cards nor will i EVER pay for one. I would like to see what they will do if i fail to comply, put me in jail maybe? How stupid would that be!

As stupid as fascism?

[ramittinbawdeep]

the only gripe i got about it is the price, wouldnt bother me to carry one as i've nothing to hide. £40 is a lot but does anyone know if thats the true total or is it subsidised by the government like our prescriptions?

[321 gizzo]

i wouldnt carry one of those and they cant make me. fight the power!! rick james!!!

[Viceroy]

The only reason our government would force us to carry them around is if they ceased to trust us. That would mean they could stop us in the street and challenge our identity. Why else would it be compulsary to carry around ID?

[DeeDee]

This will so not going to cut out credit card fraud. How are you going to scan an iris on the internet? If call you on the phone to make a payment you can not very well scan than either can you? Ask for someone's blood type? Best of luck on that, I can not get my customer's to send in a copy of their driver's license and I work for a company that protects people against identity theft and credit card fraud. Besides, when you start getting into that you start getting into the fact that Big Brother might just be watching you a little too much.

[shade]

This is an internal issue of the UK. I am a US citizen. It does not affect me. Therefor I will not pass judgement.

Take notes brits.

[DeeDee]

Why thank you Shade for letting me know I was making a judgement by stating an opinion. Obviously you did not read that first post where he was asking about foreigners having this issue? And I really like the way you than turned around and told the "brits" to take notes which completely defeats the purpose of you saying that you do not pass judgement.... when you just did by insinuating that they pass judgement? Clever. Would you like a stick to try to stir it up some more or what?

[Jacksplat]

No we do not have it.
This is an internal issue of the UK. I am a US citizen. It does not affect me. Therefor I will not pass judgement.

Take notes brits.

[Viceroy]

This is an internal issue of the UK. I am a US citizen. It does not affect me. Therefor I will not pass judgement.

Take notes brits.

I've taken note. However, your war on terror is an international issue. I reserve the right on pass judgement on that, thankyou.

[shade]

Why thank you Shade for letting me know I was making a judgement by stating an opinion. I guess you cant read...

I've taken note. However, your war on terror is an international issue. You talk about a lot more than that.

[Viceroy]

You talk about a lot more than that.

I've only ever talked about more than that when people have challenged me on why I dislike Bush and asked specifically for non-war on terror issues.

[Nocturnal]

All good points, except I fail to see how they would help fight the war on terror. Also, there is a civil liberties issue if they make ID cards compulsary to carry around.


we are really at that point already, there is not much I can do in this society without proof of identity.

[Sketcher]

I don't see a problem with them. If I ever had to carry one, I wouldn't mind because I have nothing to hide.

[BigMattTheHobo]

I wouldn't mind because I have nothing to hide.


I hate that argument, saying it is ok to take rights away or to force something upon you because you have nothing to hide.

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[Sketcher]

I hate that argument, saying it is ok to take rights away or to force something upon you because you have nothing to hide.


What rights are being taken away? I don't care if my ID has my finger print and iris scan on it. It's less likely to be stolen and you can track criminals better. I had my fingerprints taken before. You think I care? Oooh, I feel so violated. :rolleyes:

Having your own DNA on your ID card is not taking any rights away. People who argue against these cards are the same people who argued against the Patriot Act. It only hurts you if your a criminal. If not, then your not affected in any negative way (just like with the Patriot Act). I would be glad if the US got these.

[Nocturnal]

the problem becomes what if it is not something criminal that you have done, what if somebody decides that this forum is a hotbed of "unpatriotic" thought. Then we are all monitored and blacklisted, we really didn't have anything to hide, but that is in the eye of the beholder.

obviously alot of what ifs, but with matters of privacy and rights you can't be too carefull.

[Sketcher]

the problem becomes what if it is not something criminal that you have done, what if somebody decides that this forum is a hotbed of "unpatriotic" thought. Then we are all monitored and blacklisted, we really didn't have anything to hide, but that is in the eye of the beholder.

Who cares what they think? As long as none of us are doing anything illegal, who cares? I don't care if somebody thinks of this forum as unpatriotic. Even if it was, they can't do anything about it so agian, how will it hurt us?

I mean, everything you say on this forum is said publicly and anyone who has the internet can read it, so obviously you don't care who reads it.

[Nocturnal]

you sure they can't do anything about it? the failed legislation Patriot Act II offered penalties for those engaged in activities that could be seen as subsersive. That could include posting messages on this forum. You may think you have nothing to hide, and you may well not, but like I said the guy with the badge is the one that decides that.

reference McCarthy

[Viceroy]

you sure they can't do anything about it? the failed legislation Patriot Act II offered penalties for those engaged in activities that could be seen as subsersive. That could include posting messages on this forum. You may think you have nothing to hide, and you may well not, but like I said the guy with the badge is the one that decides that.

reference McCarthy

Can someone link to a source on the Patriot Act II?

[Sketcher]

Can someone link to a source on the Patriot Act II?

Yeah, I would like to read about it too.