Freedom Tower

[Bugfatty]

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/12/19/wtc.plan/)

Construction is to begin on 'Freedom Tower' on the spot where the WTC once stoodon July 4th.

Its going to be 1776 feet tall.(independence year) And an antena that will make the building 2,000 feet tall.

It will restore America's long lost but rightful title as the country with the tallest skyscraper which currently belongs to Singapore.

[Karly]

bleh- they should rebuild the towers the way they were. my skyline is forever ruined. :(

[Sketcher]

bleh- they should rebuild the towers the way they were. my skyline is forever ruined. :(

They considered that but said it would cause too many bad memories. I guess I can see why they think that.

[Karly]

They considered that but said it would cause too many bad memories. I guess I can see why they think that.


fuck that- like we are ever gonna forget?
get real. we need to rebuild the way it was. that wasnt just an attack on america- it was an attack on our way of life. that is how we live- HUGELY & RICHLY. the towers need to be put back up to their original glory.

[Stanky105]

fuck that- like we are ever gonna forget?
get real. we need to rebuild the way it was. that wasnt just an attack on america- it was an attack on our way of life. that is how we live- HUGELY & RICHLY. the towers need to be put back up to their original glory.

Gah, no way. I'm all for the giant skyscraper.

[Bugfatty]

we need to rebuild the way it was. that wasnt just an attack on america- it was an attack on our way of life. that is how we live- HUGELY & RICHLY. the towers need to be put back up to their original glory.

Its not like this tower is going to be less than the WTC. Its going to cost several hundred million dollars and be the tallest building ever and plus this tower is supposed to be safer and won't cost as much to maintain.

Rebuilding the WTC would be like fixing up a totaled car after your whole family was killed in it.

[Disconnect This]

hey, im up for MSG v.2 :rolleyes: ;)

[krazykomrade]

An Architectural abomination. This has to be the shittiest plan i have seen in a long while, with a even shittier name. IT sounds like something that comes out of conjunction junction or those PBS cartoons with ben franklin. "Lets all go visit the FREEDOM TOWER! its the tallest in the world, and rightfully in the good old US of A!" The last 300 feet are some lame ass spire, only 70 usable floors, and it has the most uncreative look of any tower i've seen in quite some time, and im an architecture student. What we should have done is built Frank Lloyd Wright's Illinois tower, that would be fucking badass. He is the most famous American architect, so it would be fitting that he would build or tower, it it like a mile high, had the most outstanding architecture ever, and didnt have some retarted-ass name like "freedom tower." In any case, this tower blows. Period.

[Nocturnal]

bleh- they should rebuild the towers the way they were. my skyline is forever ruined. :(


I'm pretty sure New Yorkers said the same thing about the original towers

freedom tower is a gay name though

[Dual]

Yeah Freedom Tower doesn't sound quite right to me.

[droogsteve]

I agree with Mamichuli as usual. I also agree with KrazyKomrade, which doesn't happen quite as often. ;)

The new tower is unspeakably ugly and they resorted to gimmicky architecture to make it the tallest.

They should rebuild the towers the way they were so the skyline would be the same as it was before the attack. It would also send a nice "fuck you" message to the terrorists.

I don't know one New Yorker who doesn't agree.

[Bergs]

It is ridiculous that there are only 70 stories if useable space. It is cowardly.

[Karly]

They should rebuild the towers the way they were so the skyline would be the same as it was before the attack. It would also send a nice "fuck you" message to the terrorists.


exactly how I feel. ;)

[Stanky105]

What we should have done is built Frank Lloyd Wright's Illinois tower, that would be fucking badass.

YES!! Exactly! That would be fucking awesome!!...

...if it is actually feasable. Would they actually be able to build a mile high building? I know Wright claimed it was possible, and technology has gotten better....? :confused:

[wataba]

Yeah Freedom Tower doesn't sound quite right to me.
yeah i was thinking the same thing....maybe they should think of a name that doesn't sound so cheesy

[Sketcher]

What we should have done is built Frank Lloyd Wright's Illinois tower

Yeah, Frand Lloyd Wright is and awesome architect. Have you ever been to Falling Water?

[DeeDee]

Yep... that tower sure is ugly. I agree with mami and droog.. why not put up the old one.. i believe that would definately make a statement..

[Bergs]

yeah i was thinking the same thing....maybe they should think of a name that doesn't sound so cheesy


Yeah it is fucking corny as hell.

[shade]

fuck that- like we are ever gonna forget? Ask a liberal.

Krazykomrade, go choke on a triangular ruler.

I also agree with KrazyKomrade, which doesn't happen quite as often. ...

It would also send a nice "fuck you" message to the terrorists. Nothing says fuck you like building a taller tower after the terrorists destroyed the tallest towers in the skyline. It also says fuck you to the rest of the world, due to its height.

[Viceroy]

I don't care what it's called, I think the tower will look amazing. You have to admit, the Twin Towers were a highly unimaginative design.

[JustinJJ]

fuck that- like we are ever gonna forget?
get real. we need to rebuild the way it was. that wasnt just an attack on america- it was an attack on our way of life. that is how we live- HUGELY & RICHLY. the towers need to be put back up to their original glory.

We will NEVER forget what happened, but by building the biggest tower in the world it'll show those damn taliban bastards that we are still a strong and great country.

[Jacksplat]

I don't care what it's called, I think the tower will look amazing. You have to admit, the Twin Towers were a highly unimaginative design.

Unimaginative design? I thought they were cool looking two square buildings shooting up from the NYC Skyline..but then again that place they call windsor castle is state of the art !

[Bergs]

But its only the tallest tower in the world because of some useless garbage thrown on top of it. Its only got 70 floors, plus some modern art shit heaped on top. Ga Hey.

[Pi Rho]

For once, I am with the general concensus.
Put the originals back up.
If they really don't like the original design, spruce it up a bit, with a lame-ass dildo on top, like the new tower.

And, does anyone even WANT to forget? I think not.
Put up a reminder, kinda like a massive memorial to all those that were lost.

[Karly]

I don't care what it's called, I think the tower will look amazing. You have to admit, the Twin Towers were a highly unimaginative design.


its obvious you have never stood at the brooklyn promenade overlooking the New York skyline. I say this now- unless you are FROM NY I dont think anyones opinion should matter. We know what it looked like prior & we know how awesome it was. This freedom shit is gay as all hell.

[droogsteve]

That's another fucking thing: "Freedom Tower". The name is so goddamn sappy and maudlin. Don't get me wrong, there should definitely be a nice memorial as part of the plans, but "Freedom Tower"? Gimme a break. Why not just put up a 100 story gravestone and declare everything below Canal Street to be a memorial park? Fuck that sappy tourist shit. Downtown is about business, hence the name "World Trade Center". It's time to get back to business.

Mamichuli is right. To steal a phrase from Satin, that Freedom Tower treacle is G to the H-E-Y.

[Stanky105]

lol, to be completely honest, I think the freedom tower looks awesome. I never did like the look of the old trade center, those look more like big tombstones than anything.

[krazykomrade]

...if it is actually feasable. Would they actually be able to build a mile high building? I know Wright claimed it was possible, and technology has gotten better....?
When Frank designed the thing, there were not computers available to test the engineering and structural capacity, so no one knew for sure if it would work. Frank did all the math and structural shit himself by hand, and he claimed it would not only work, but would last over 100 years. No one believed him, and it was never built. Side note: Sketcher, yeah i've studied falling water and LOVE it, but unfortunantly have never been :( , but when that was built too, the workers refused to take the structural support out from the cantalevers because they thought it would collapse, so Frank had to go out with an ax and hack down the supports himself and it held fast! Anyways, about the Illinouse tower, a few years ago (1996?) a bunch of harvard students put the whole thing on modern enginerring software (took em' months) and totally evalueated it to the max. not onle would it in fact structurally stand, but it was like super structure, it could take a 747 crash, earthquake, etc. The students basically concluded that Frank was a success in designing it, and it was alsmost perfect (a few plumbing mistakes about not enough water pressure or something that could be fixed easily).
Nothing says fuck you like building a taller tower after the terrorists destroyed the tallest towers in the skyline.
I agree completely. While I do see droog's point about building the old ones again, that would be unfeasable because of obvious structeral flaws (the building used a never before used experimental structural design that has now fallen out of favor) and the building design itself is quite outdated. also, just rebuilding the same old thing would not be the same as coming back even better and even stronger than before.

Krazykomrade, go choke on a triangular ruler.
What the hell is that about? :confused:

But its only the tallest tower in the world because of some useless garbage thrown on top of it. Its only got 70 floors, plus some modern art shit heaped on top. Ga Hey.
Time number 2 that I agree with bergs ;)

but by building the biggest tower in the world it'll show those damn taliban bastards that we are still a strong and great country.
No, it'll show the world that we are a fucking retarted country that made the most unimaginative design ever and called it a "freedom tower" to match operation "iraqi freedom" and our current obsession with naming eveything freedom to reassert that the US is the good guys to the rest of the world. IT will make us a joke. the only good thing about the new tower is that is sucks so much ass, that no arab would give his life just to crash a plane into it, its not worth his life.

[Karly]

No, it'll show the world that we are a fucking retarted country that made the most unimaginative design ever and called it a "freedom tower" to match operation "iraqi freedom" and our current obsession with naming eveything freedom to reassert that the US is the good guys to the rest of the world. IT will make us a joke.

i agree with you. We name everything freedom. why the fuck? also we only called the war op iraqi freedom to make it seem like we were doing a good thing- it should have been called - "Op. Ima get Saddam for my Daddy."

[Jacksplat]

sucks so much ass, that no arab would give his life just to crash a plane into it, its not worth his life.

Im sure one of the retards would fly a plane into it or another basement bomb.
Side Note: What was wrong with Freedom Fries?! Kinda like that one..

[krazykomrade]

Side Note: What was wrong with Freedom Fries?! Kinda like that one..
Oh yeah, thats another stupid freedom thing that makes americans look even more moronic.

Jacksplat:
Frenchman to American: "Are you British?"
American: "No."
Frenchman: "You're welcome!"

Im sure one of the retards would fly a plane into it or another basement bomb.
I was making a joke, pointing out that the tower would not be worthy of an al-quada attack, just like they do not target local walgreens for their attacks because who gives a shit about walgreens, they would not waste their time on a freedom tower either, in fact it hurts the US even more to have the damn thing still standing.

[Karly]

Im sure one of the retards would fly a plane into it or another basement bomb.
Side Note: What was wrong with Freedom Fries?! Kinda like that one..


freedom fries is gay.

[Stanky105]

freedom fries is gay.

Everything you don't like is sexually attracted to everything else you don't like of the same sex.

[Nocturnal]

Oh yeah, thats another stupid freedom thing that makes americans look even more moronic.

Jacksplat:
Frenchman to American: "Are you British?"
American: "No."
Frenchman: "You're welcome!"





trust me, you won't be able to find anyone anywhere that hates the damn freedom fry crap more than myself. The idea of it is a representation of everything I dislike in my country currently. BUT, History cuts both ways, there are few countries that don't owe each other something


American to Frenchmen: "Did you learn to speak German around 1914? "
Frenchmen: "No."
American: "You're welcome!"

American to Frenchmen: "Did you learn to speak German around 1945? "
Frenchmen: "No."
American: "You're welcome!"

American to Frenchmen: "Do you speak Russian? "
Frenchmen: "No."
American: "You're welcome!"

hows that? :D

[Viceroy]

Freedom fries, it must be said, is one of the most dumbass things America has done in recent times.

[Bergs]

And America would have eventually won its independence from Britain without any help it would have probably taken longer but the French really didnt do much. The French would still be goose stepping, or at the very least under Soviet rule, to this day if it werent for us.

[Stanky105]

Freedom fries, it must be said, is one of the most dumbass things America has done in recent times.

How dare you! As I sit here on my Freedom chair writing on my Freedom computer, I am thinking what a wonderful meal those Freedom fries were, and how I now have to go take a Freedom shit. :D

[Yeti Patrol]

Give me a fucking break.....Freedom Tower? Wtf, that's the gayest thing i've ever heard.......now we're making ourselves look like fools, I say, rebuild the old towers with a third one to remember the lost.


Btw, Stanky......HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

[Viceroy]

The French would still be goose stepping, or at the very least under Soviet rule, to this day if it werent for us.

The Nazis would probably have been defeated eventually by Britain, Canada, Australia etc. As for the Soviets, it's impossible to say what Stalin would have done with Europe. He only held onto the eastern bloc because he sought to establish a buffer zone. Stalin himself, tended to advocate 'socialism in one country', so why would he bother with world domination?

[Stanky105]

The Nazis would probably have been defeated eventually by Britain, Canada, Australia etc. As for the Soviets, it's impossible to say what Stalin would have done with Europe. He only held onto the eastern bloc because he sought to establish a buffer zone. Stalin himself, tended to advocate 'socialism in one country', so why would he bother with world domination?

You are forgetting about Japan. If the US did nothing against them, I am sure Australia would have had a shitfull of work to do there.

Bah! Now I got pulled back into this! This is a skyscraper thread!!

[Viceroy]

You are forgetting about Japan. If the US did nothing against them, I am sure Australia would have had a shitfull of work to do there.

Bah! Now I got pulled back into this! This is a skyscraper thread!!

These things have a habit of mutating. Especially when I have anything to do with it. For America not to declare war on Japan would have been absurd. Hitler declared war on America. America really had no choice.

[Bergs]

America was already engaging German submarines in the Atlantic before Pearl Harbor. We had even lost destroyers. War with Germany was a forgone conclusion. And Britain and Canada would not have been able to liberate Europe without America. Australia was too busy with the Japanese. The Soviets probably would have eventually conquorered Germany but they wouldnt have stopped like they did with America in Western Europe.

[Viceroy]

The Soviets probably would have eventually conquorered Germany but they wouldnt have stopped like they did with America in Western Europe.

Impossible to say.

[shade]

What the hell is that about? For saying things like "No, it'll show the world that we are a fucking retarted country that made the most unimaginative design ever "

[Bugfatty]

Impossible to say.

Who would have stopped them?

[Nocturnal]

The Nazis would probably have been defeated eventually by Britain, Canada, Australia etc. As for the Soviets, it's impossible to say what Stalin would have done with Europe. He only held onto the eastern bloc because he sought to establish a buffer zone. Stalin himself, tended to advocate 'socialism in one country', so why would he bother with world domination?


Great Britan would have collapsed very quickly had we not been supporting them. We kept the island fed and supplied during the war. Even if they had been able to fend for themselves in that manner Hitler would have bombed them into submission. Especially considering that the steady march of his technology would have overwhelmed the british. V1 rockets, jet fighters, etc. Hell if we hadn't entered the war Hitler would have been able to take out Russia also. Especially with Japanese help once they took care of tiny austrailia and pansy china.

[socrepLT]

Originally Posted by Bergs
And America would have eventually won its independence from Britain without any help it would have probably taken longer but the French really didnt do much.
American History 101...
You've got it backwards. The American forces during the Revolutionary War would have lost if eventually if not fot the French help.

[Bergs]

I didnt say they would have won that war but they would have won their independence eventually. And they may have very well won that war. The French offered little help until the very end of the war.

[Viceroy]

Especially considering that the steady march of his technology would have overwhelmed the british. V1 rockets, jet fighters, etc. .

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Only about half a dozen V1 rockets made their may to Briatin. Jet fighters never became a big thing during the blitz. What we had to worry about was German bombers. Even then, British anti-air defence was the best organised in the world, so we made our way through the first years of the war alone.

Hell if we hadn't entered the war Hitler would have been able to take out Russia also.

No, the defeat on Russia was a combination of unrealistic supply lines and extraordinary resilience of the Russian people to survive any disaster.

[Viceroy]

The French offered little help until the very end of the war.

This sounds very similar to the "Britain fought alone in WW2" debate.

France may not have joined militarily until the end of the war, but they contributed loads of supplies, especially gun powder.

[Instigator]

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/12/19/wtc.plan/)

Stupidest idea since the New Coke. Fuck this tower in its ass.

The French offered little help until the very end of the war.

On October 17th, General John Burgoyne surrendered an entire British Army to the colonials. News of the surrender arrived in Paris hard on the heels of news that colonial troops had caused supposedly invincible British regulars to flee in disarray in the early stages of the Battle of Germantown. Convinced by Benjamin Franklin and the news from North America that the Colonials had a reasonable chance of victory, the French agreed to support the colonists. Later on February 6, 1778 the Treaty of Alliance and the Treaty of Amity and Commerce were signed by the United States and France signaling official recognition of the new republic. Then on July 10 of the same year, Louis XVI of France declared war on the side of the Americans against the Kingdom of Great Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_War

[krazykomrade]

Instigator, that link is full of shit. You might as well have pulled it from indiemedia or some other biased site that just posts opinons as facts. get real and get a decent source not controlled by liberal brainwashers.

[Bergs]

Yes, but French troops and Naval power did not arrive in America until much later and only, as your link shows, after the colonists had proven that they could win major victories on their own.

[Viceroy]

Yes, but French troops and Naval power did not arrive in America until much later and only, as your link shows, after the colonists had proven that they could win major victories on their own.

*coughsuppliesandgunpowdercough*

[Bergs]

bought and sold, you think they just handed it to us?

[Viceroy]

bought and sold, you think they just handed it to us?

No, I'm sure they weren't that generous. However, they contributed to your war effort. That's the point.

[Bugfatty]

American to Frenchman:

American: Do you salute the swastika everyday?
Frenchman: No.
American: Your welcome.

[Bergs]

I never said they didnt contribute but saying that the war was won by the French is both incorrect and laughable.

[Instigator]

Frenchman to American:

Frenchman: Do you have to pledge loyalty to your king?

American: No.

Frenchman: You're welcome.

[Bugfatty]

Already been said, Instigater.....

Oh yeah, thats another stupid freedom thing that makes americans look even more moronic.

Jacksplat:
Frenchman to American: "Are you British?"
American: "No."
Frenchman: "You're welcome!"

Frenchman: Do you have to pledge loyalty to your king?

Those are two different things by the way. France's help to America was only skin deep which was proven when the French used their help as an excuse to wage undeclared war on our shipping which nearly drove our country into collapse. I say "Your not welcome, France because you backed stapped us."

America's help to France in WW1 and WW2, Indo-China....well we all know that story.

Anyway the I would much rather be a British subject than a Nazi puppet.

[Nocturnal]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Only about half a dozen V1 rockets made their may to Briatin. Jet fighters never became a big thing during the blitz. What we had to worry about was German bombers. Even then, British anti-air defence was the best organised in the world, so we made our way through the first years of the war alone.



No, the defeat on Russia was a combination of unrealistic supply lines and extraordinary resilience of the Russian people to survive any disaster.


If you think Britan could have held out against Germany without US financial, material, and military support you are sorely mistaken. Hitler barely got a chance to use his new toys before he got his ass busted. Britan might have been able to hold out for another 2 years tops (this is a big if here,) but as I said German technology was advancing at an astonishing rate. If Hitler had had another 2 years of progess I doubt even US intervention could have made that much difference.

[Viceroy]

If Hitler had had another 2 years of progess I doubt even US intervention could have made that much difference.

I dunno, Hitler was a dumbass when it came to military strategy. Take these facts:

He invaded Russia. Big mistake.
He kicked out Jewish scientists that could have worked in producing his own atom bomb.
He kept personal control over his tank divisions in northern France, so on D-Day, when he overslept, they weren't given any orders.

[Sam Da Butcher]

Saudi contractors on short list for skyscraper project.

Osama bin Laden's family business is on the short list of contractors bidding to build the world's tallest skyscraper. LINK (http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38413)

[Pi Rho]

Hey, look everyone!
A post that actually has something to do with the thread topic...

Why is it that most every post ends up as an argument over who won, or contributed, to which war?
There are no winners in wars, only survivors.
"We shot the crap out of everything we saw. Aren't we the clever ones?"

I think the Bin Ladens should f... right off. It is their son's fault the towers have to be rebuilt in the first place. Maybe it was all part of the plan. How many mosques can you build in one country, anyway?

[krazykomrade]

I think the Bin Ladens should f... right off. It is their son's fault the towers have to be rebuilt in the first place. Maybe it was all part of the plan. How many mosques can you build in one country, anyway?
you really should do some research before you start making blanket generalizations that make you look like an idiot.

[Pi Rho]

Now, don't have a temper tantrum, little boy.
The whole idea of a forum, is to allow people to state their opinions. If you don't like it, ignore it.
No need to cry.

[droogsteve]

Pi Rho, I think Komrade was referring to the fact that the Binladens AREN'T bidding for the Freedom tower or any other job in the US. The world tallest tower that Sam's article refers to is a proposed project in Dubai.

[Pi Rho]

Oooops (sung to the tune of "Okay, so I am a dork"). Wish I could open these links you post, but it doesn't work from here.

I thought the 'Freedom Tower' was going to be the tallest (including the spire, of course)?

You mean the rags have beaten the Americans at something?
That is absolutely unthinkable. Bomb it! Bomb it!

[Sam Da Butcher]

Yeah... Dubai sounds like a swell vacation spot.

[Bubba-E]

lol thats funny viceroy, did hitler really oversleep?...
by the way, he had sum medical probs, messin with his head, in one clip i saw on the history channel, his hand was behind his back and it was shakin like crazy... besides kickin the ingenious jews, invading russia, and having control over the tanks, hitler was pretty smart... ! ! ! did u know hitler and saddam have EXTREMLY simular personalities? tru tru tru, home dawgz
pff, smart, evil, and l8er on in his life, a mental retard :eek:

[Bubba-E]

freedom tower rox, it sounds like a corny name, but when u think about it, thats why its there, FOR FREEEEEEEDDDOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!! ! ! ! !
plus america will have the worlds tallest tower, AGAIN :D

[Stanky105]

Does anybody know anything about Trump building a new big-ass building in Chicago? Not sure if its supposed to break any records, I just overheard some people that it is supposed to shoot up there.

[Bugfatty]

Trump tower is suposed to be 1200 feet tall. Its gona be a 'fancy lad' hotel or something.

[krazykomrade]

Pi Rho, I think Komrade was referring to the fact that the Binladens AREN'T bidding for the Freedom tower or any other job in the US. The world tallest tower that Sam's article refers to is a proposed project in Dubai.
Exactly.
Now, don't have a temper tantrum, little boy.
The whole idea of a forum, is to allow people to state their opinions. If you don't like it, ignore it.
No need to cry.
But stating something that is not true is not an opinion. If I were to say that The world's tallest tower is in Scottsdale, AZ, you would have every right to flame me becuase that is not an opinion, that would be me being wrong, especially if I were to act arrogant about it. You can flame people who are wrong and act like they have won, but I agree that opinions should not be flamed (by and large, that is ;) )