KC 911 Call

[Ohne_Dich]

well... i must admit... the word chilling gave me the impression of a screamer... and then... well the ending... the word "chilling" doesnt describe it enuf.... that is a horrible way to die.... "You can say that, your in an air conditioned office"... nearly pissed my pants... kinda freaked me out when he said "Oh god, OHHH *collapse*"

[bigun15]

That ending was brutal. What was even worse for me was that I kept a casualty list from my local newspaper (printed Sept. 11, 2002) and looked at it once I was done listening to the recording. I found the names Kevin M. Cosgrove and Douglas MacMillan Cherry (the other man mentioned in the call) and I thought to myself, "I listened to those two men die. And that was just two."

[puppetmasterjjk]

holy shit i just watched that, trying to get the images out of my head...

[The Town Fool]

Disturbing. I guess "extreme videos" is the place for it, but I think it kind of doesn't fit in.

[A550RGY]

I'm probably going to be alone in this, but I was irritated with this guy's attitude. It's excusable, in the final analysis, because it was a horrible life or death moment, but still, some people meet their end with dignity and bravery and some just go out like whiney bitches.

No, he didn't deserve this death at all, but to me he just sounds like the kind of jerk that would try to get an employee fired over a simple mistake on his lunch order. He wasn't just complaining over the phone, he used his wits to guilt the 911 attendant for being safe and for not doing enough. Nice way to use your last minutes on Earth. No, I love my family or feed my fish or anything; just a classic guilt trip.

Maybe I'm way off base, but I had to say it.

[puppetmasterjjk]

idk maybe he wasnt expecting a 5000000 story building to collapse on him

[GottaPewp]

I'm probably going to be alone in this, but I was irritated with this guy's attitude. It's excusable, in the final analysis, because it was a horrible life or death moment, but still, some people meet their end with dignity and bravery and some just go out like whiney bitches.

No, he didn't deserve this death at all, but to me he just sounds like the kind of jerk that would try to get an employee fired over a simple mistake on his lunch order. He wasn't just complaining over the phone, he used his wits to guilt the 911 attendant for being safe and for not doing enough. Nice way to use your last minutes on Earth. No, I love my family or feed my fish or anything; just a classic guilt trip.

Maybe I'm way off base, but I had to say it.

You fucking scumbag piece of shit. It was burning hot, and he was inhaling thick black smoke. He knew he was about to die. Do you expect him to be calm and say "ok come get me when you have the time"? If you died under the same circumstances, you would cry like the bitch you are. Go fuck yourself, you fucking dickwad.

[Quiet_Riot]

I hate to say it, but I don't think that video belongs here. This is a humour site.

Those poor men, and thousands of others suffered horrible deaths that day, do we need constant reminders of it?

[graffiti1]

^True that, besides, why does everybody need to be reminded of how people died on that horrible day? Thousands of people die everyday, and now people feel the need to remind other people of how hundreds of people died in those buildings.

[Ohne_Dich]

At the end, he brought up a third man... anyone ever find out the name or anything? cuz like he said at first "there two of us"... then like 2 minutes prior to the end "theres three of us up here... blah blah blah about Ostarus office"
and yes he was kind of an ass about the whole "rescue me" thing, but its plausible, wat with the whole impending death and shit
and to think, one of my friends was in the building... she got out tho... luckily
i feel sorry for the ones who didnt

[Trevor Rosen]

I hate to say it, but I don't think that video belongs here. This is a humour site.

Those poor men, and thousands of others suffered horrible deaths that day, do we need constant reminders of it?

Dude, have you even looked in the extreme videos section? Apparently not, because there is some equally if not way more fucked up shit in there. Oh, and if anybody doesn't want to be reminded of it, they shouldn't click on the video that says, "CHILLING 911 CALL, WILL MAKE YOU SHIT YOUR PANTS". But that's just me.

[Hitokage]

I listened to that and all I wanted to do afterwards was cry. Its listening to a man die. I think the only thing I've seen worse is when the TV things were happening, and someone recorded people jumping from the building.

Could you imagine that operator after that call? If I was her, I probably couldn't have done anything more then start to cry that he was dead and then realized, listening to the news, that he died because the building collasped.

[Squibbles]

I agree with quiet riot on this one. Anyone else have a hard time watching that?

[samurai_24]

Chilling is an understatement. Man, that sucks. NEVER FORGET!

[bucketoftruth]

Ugh...why did I listen to that?

No one can know the suffering these people endured before they died. You can only imagine and offer quaint analyses about how brave you would have been. Which, of course, we encourage you to do or else there wouldn't be idiots on the internet to make fun of. Thanks for doing your part!

[nemiadohw]

He did sound like a bit of a prick, but hey, atleast its a quick death I suppose.. And its not like he was alone huddled in a corner.

[jeffrok]

You expect a guy who KNOWS he's going to die, to be calm? How can you blame ANYONE for their behavior, moments before their death? Ridiculous, people.

[Ohne_Dich]

Ugh...why did I listen to that?

No one can know the suffering these people endured before they died. You can only imagine and offer quaint analyses about how brave you would have been. Which, of course, we encourage you to do or else there wouldn't be idiots on the internet to make fun of. Thanks for doing your part!
trust me, i woulda fucking pissed my pants, shit everywhere... it wouldnt have been pretty...
You expect a guy who KNOWS he's going to die, to be calm? How can you blame ANYONE for their behavior, moments before their death? Ridiculous, people.
QFT
That ending was brutal. What was even worse for me was that I kept a casualty list from my local newspaper (printed Sept. 11, 2002) and looked at it once I was done listening to the recording. I found the names Kevin M. Cosgrove and Douglas MacMillan Cherry (the other man mentioned in the call) and I thought to myself, "I listened to those two men die. And that was just two."
could you possibly scan that and gimme a link, i would like to see it

[Deamatix]

I hate to say it, but I don't think that video belongs here. This is a humour site.

Those poor men, and thousands of others suffered horrible deaths that day, do we need constant reminders of it?

I couldn't agree more. The 9/11 conspiracy threads don't belong on this forum, this video doesn't belong on this site.

[Victor Franko]

I agree with quiet riot on this one. Anyone else have a hard time watching that?

I've seen that video twice now, and it still tears a hole in my stomach at the end when you can hear him screaming just before the tower collapses.

[Joey-Clemenza]

I'm probably going to be alone in this, but I was irritated with this guy's attitude. It's excusable, in the final analysis, because it was a horrible life or death moment, but still, some people meet their end with dignity and bravery and some just go out like whiney bitches.

No, he didn't deserve this death at all, but to me he just sounds like the kind of jerk that would try to get an employee fired over a simple mistake on his lunch order. He wasn't just complaining over the phone, he used his wits to guilt the 911 attendant for being safe and for not doing enough. Nice way to use your last minutes on Earth. No, I love my family or feed my fish or anything; just a classic guilt trip.

Maybe I'm way off base, but I had to say it.

Yea, maybe a little - asshole.

[el_real_madrazo]

i was overwhelmed with a feeling of helplessness and sadness when i heard his screams at the end. i knew it was going to end like that, i had never seen it before but somehow i knew it was going to end with him yelling or panicking as the tower collapsed. yet i kept on listening to this mans desperate and pointless pleads, quickly looking at the video's scroll bar and saying 'its getting closer, the end is slowly but definitely approaching, oh god theres only a few seconds left' i guess i did it to hear his very last words during his last moments here on earth. i didn't do it to 'get off' so to speak and get a bit of adrenaline or a cheap rush from watching it, it wasn't like a nasty car crash, where you kow its bad but you can't stop looking. it wasn't like that, i just wanted to hear this innocent man's last moments here and truly get to know what was going on on that day. living here on the west coast, i was definitely affected by this horrible event, but this has brought me closer to it and now more than ever, i sincerely hope that the families who lost people on this day have found peace.

[puppetmasterjjk]

okay no more emo, goodbye. dont hate me, dont reply to this.

[Dilcoe]

It just strikes me now that there must be a lot more calls like this. There must have been hundreds of trapped people on the phone to 911 when the buildings collapsed. I wonder if more calls like this have been released?

[Essenz]

haha life sucks dick hmm just ignore this side of life until you have to deal with it
in your own life. make your life easy and just dont care about poor people going to die. It happens everyday and just because it happend in the country you life in and you love and 1000 Cameras showed you how bad it was it still is just a very small incident with only 3000 People dying. http://www.who.int/whr/2004/annex/topic/en/annex_2_en.pdf

[Dilcoe]

Quick, Essenz, put on a flame-retardant suit!

[SupaDupaMestizo]

Well that was a depressing way to start my friday night.

[Winter's Rose]

This video should effect every American who hears it, and it does effect everyone from the tri-state area. I've heard alot of 911 calls from Sept 11, but not one ending like that. I feel like a lucky lil bitch though. My dad worked in the North tower, and he was late to work that day. Nuff said. However, he has to deal with it every day. There were alot of heros. Not one fireman or police officer opted out of going into the towers. It almost made me cry when I heard the firefighter on the line, how calm he was and such...

[RyogaVee]

oh well, too bad WTC fell due to an impolsion. If you are upset that this man dies, go ask out wonderful government why it felt the need to kill 3000 of our own to go protect the fredoms of other people half way across the would.

[JCap334]

I'm probably going to be alone in this, but I was irritated with this guy's attitude. It's excusable, in the final analysis, because it was a horrible life or death moment, but still, some people meet their end with dignity and bravery and some just go out like whiney bitches.

No, he didn't deserve this death at all, but to me he just sounds like the kind of jerk that would try to get an employee fired over a simple mistake on his lunch order. He wasn't just complaining over the phone, he used his wits to guilt the 911 attendant for being safe and for not doing enough. Nice way to use your last minutes on Earth. No, I love my family or feed my fish or anything; just a classic guilt trip.

Maybe I'm way off base, but I had to say it.

I thought exactly the same thing when I was listening to it...

[JoeSF35]

I'm probably going to be alone in this, but I was irritated with this guy's attitude. It's excusable, in the final analysis, because it was a horrible life or death moment, but still, some people meet their end with dignity and bravery and some just go out like whiney bitches.

No, he didn't deserve this death at all, but to me he just sounds like the kind of jerk that would try to get an employee fired over a simple mistake on his lunch order. He wasn't just complaining over the phone, he used his wits to guilt the 911 attendant for being safe and for not doing enough. Nice way to use your last minutes on Earth. No, I love my family or feed my fish or anything; just a classic guilt trip.

Maybe I'm way off base, but I had to say it.

Do you have any clue how long he was sitting helplessly in that burning building before it collapsed? One hour.

Why do people just speak out of their asses without using their brain?

[Xolso]

Oh man, thats fucking horrible...

[JoeSF35]

oh well, too bad WTC fell due to an impolsion. If you are upset that this man dies, go ask out wonderful government why it felt the need to kill 3000 of our own to go protect the fredoms of other people half way across the would.


Go read a book or take some engineering classes, and then open your mouth.

[JaMaiCa]

I'm probably going to be alone in this, but I was irritated with this guy's attitude. It's excusable, in the final analysis, because it was a horrible life or death moment, but still, some people meet their end with dignity and bravery and some just go out like whiney bitches.

No, he didn't deserve this death at all, but to me he just sounds like the kind of jerk that would try to get an employee fired over a simple mistake on his lunch order. He wasn't just complaining over the phone, he used his wits to guilt the 911 attendant for being safe and for not doing enough. Nice way to use your last minutes on Earth. No, I love my family or feed my fish or anything; just a classic guilt trip.

Maybe I'm way off base, but I had to say it.

What the hell is your problem? Picking away at someone for the way they acted while helplessly waiting for their own death? Fuck you. (http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/middle_finger.jpg)

[snyderman]

Do you have any clue how long he was sitting helplessly in that burning building before it collapsed? One hour.


An hour?! Damn. I could have found a way out given that much time. Or at least tried. I wouldnt waste time talking to a 911 operator (who is obviously aware of the situation)

Go read a book or take some engineering classes, and then open your mouth.

I dunno about all those consiracy theories, but I think buildings really can be imploded, bro. I saw some folks do it to a casino once.

[Red Bull]

Yes, buildings can be imploded, that's how they demolish some of them.

But that's not what happened here.

[puppetmasterjjk]

lets not make this another 9-11 conspiracy thread ok?

[bl4h]

no it imploded. It fell in on itself, which means it imploded

[puppetmasterjjk]

lets not make this another 9-11 conspiracy thread ok?

good idea !

[yureeka47]

I'm probably going to be alone in this, but I was irritated with this guy's attitude. It's excusable, in the final analysis, because it was a horrible life or death moment, but still, some people meet their end with dignity and bravery and some just go out like whiney bitches.

No, he didn't deserve this death at all, but to me he just sounds like the kind of jerk that would try to get an employee fired over a simple mistake on his lunch order. He wasn't just complaining over the phone, he used his wits to guilt the 911 attendant for being safe and for not doing enough. Nice way to use your last minutes on Earth. No, I love my family or feed my fish or anything; just a classic guilt trip.

Maybe I'm way off base, but I had to say it.

What?! You're a total jackass. You do realize, during this situation, he probably wasn't considering death as a true possibility.. It's primal instinct to survive first, above all else. Personally, I don't think he expected to die.

You're a fucking dick head though. Eat shit.

[Powassan]

Is there any confirmation that this was a real recording? No offence inteded, just curious as to whether or not it is definitly real.

[Ohne_Dich]

Yes its real, read the second post, he has a newsclipping of the casualty list

[snyderman]

What?! You're a total jackass. You do realize, during this situation, he probably wasn't considering death as a true possibility.. It's primal instinct to survive first, above all else. Personally, I don't think he expected to die.

You're a fucking dick head though. Eat shit.


I see where you are coming from, but I think this guy would have been better served to attempt escape instead of calling 911. Did he want to get carried out like a baby? If you are cognizant enough to bitch at a 911 operator on the most stressful day in her life, you can try like hell to escape. If a firefighter can get in, you can get out. With some nasty burns maybe, but alive. You are correct, survival is the most primal instinct, and he hesitated at the worst possible time.

[Powassan]

Yes its real, read the second post, he has a newsclipping of the casualty list


I read that, but its not like its hard to read, anyone could have read a paper with casulties and names in it and made up a recording. Ive become skeptical of anything and everything I see on the net now.

[Powassan]

I see where you are coming from, but I think this guy would have been better served to attempt escape instead of calling 911. Did he want to get carried out like a baby? If you are cognizant enough to bitch at a 911 operator on the most stressful day in her life, you can try like hell to escape. If a firefighter can get in, you can get out. With some nasty burns maybe, but alive. You are correct, survival is the most primal instinct, and he hesitated at the worst possible time.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to find your way out of a building on fire? You dont die from flame, you die from smoke, and believe me, its damn hard to see, even when your on the floor. The amoung of smoke in there would have killed him trying to escape on his own.

Edited to add: Oh and if a firefighter can get in, that dosent mean your getting out. Firefighters have very expensive equipment to survive in extreme temperatures and most would die without their SCBA's.

[Victor Franko]

They played the recording at Zacarias Moussaoui's trial.

[Powassan]

They played the recording at Zacarias Moussaoui's trial.


Ahh, thank you. I have to admit that would be a shitty way to go. I hope everything worked out for his wife and children.

[Ohne_Dich]

with the death of a loved one... nothing works out...
edit-that is one hell of a name to say... moussaoui... pft.. not gunna try

[Victor Franko]

Ahh, thank you. I have to admit that would be a shitty way to go. I hope everything worked out for his wife and children.

I agree. I'll probably never watch that video again because its just too damn depressing.

Oh and your welcome.

with the death of a loved one... nothing works out...
edit-that is one hell of a name to say... moussaoui... pft.. not gunna try

I had to copy and paste his name out of Wikipedia. Fucker should've got the needle.

[Bagtatta]

This was really sad to watch, but I do sort of have to agree with the guy upset with his attitude. I don't recall him mentioning his family once, just how he wasn't ready to die.. That's good that you're first instinct is survival but...I dunno. If I was his wife and I heard that..I'd be upset. It just came across as selfish...maybe that's because I'm not in the situation though. Dunno..It's really sad though.

[Powassan]

This was really sad to watch, but I do sort of have to agree with the guy upset with his attitude. I don't recall him mentioning his family once. That's good that you're first instinct is survival but...I dunno. If I was his wife and I heard that..I'd be upset. Dunno..It's really sad though.


Listen again for mention of family. I did not know until he mentioned it.

[a7x1337]

this clip makes me want to bomb the shit out of something. :mad:

that was depressing, upsetting and infuriating, but i'm glad i heard it.

[Dontdropthesoad]

I see where you are coming from, but I think this guy would have been better served to attempt escape instead of calling 911. Did he want to get carried out like a baby? If you are cognizant enough to bitch at a 911 operator on the most stressful day in her life, you can try like hell to escape. If a firefighter can get in, you can get out. With some nasty burns maybe, but alive. You are correct, survival is the most primal instinct, and he hesitated at the worst possible time.

He was above where the fucking plane hit jackass.

He probably could have used the stairs, if a 737 hadn't crashed into them.

[A550RGY]

You fucking scumbag piece of shit. It was burning hot, and he was inhaling thick black smoke. He knew he was about to die. Do you expect him to be calm and say "ok come get me when you have the time"? If you died under the same circumstances, you would cry like the bitch you are. Go fuck yourself, you fucking dickwad.

Inhaling thick black smoke, true, yet he still had the voice and oxygen to bitch out 911 and the coherency to know just what to say to her so that he would feel slightly better for making her feel bad.

No one can know the suffering these people endured before they died. You can only imagine and offer quaint analyses about how brave you would have been.

I never said I would've been brave. I don't know if I would have. But I do know I wouldn't have made my last act on Earth to purposely hurt someone over the phone who was only trying to help.

What the hell is your problem? Picking away at someone for the way they acted while helplessly waiting for their own death? Fuck you. (http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/middle_finger.jpg)

If everyone acted this way while waiting for death, I'd have nothing to say. But they don't, so I do.

Do you have any clue how long he was sitting helplessly in that burning building before it collapsed? One hour.

Like I said, it's excusable in the final analysis, but still, he was a prick when he didn't have to be.

What?! You're a total jackass. You do realize, during this situation, he probably wasn't considering death as a true possibility.. It's primal instinct to survive first, above all else. Personally, I don't think he expected to die. You're a fucking dick head though. Eat shit.

I'm being a "dick head" only because of what I perceive as the 911 caller being a prick. I took offense at what he said to the 911 operator and am criticizing it, just as YOU took offense to MY post and are criticizing me by calling me silly names and being a... dick head.

[snyderman]

He was above where the fucking plane hit jackass.

He probably could have used the stairs, if a 737 hadn't crashed into them.

Fair enough, but then did he expect the 911 operator to teleport the firefighters there?

[roccenstein]

with the death of a loved one... nothing works out...
edit-that is one hell of a name to say... moussaoui... pft.. not gunna try
Just pronounce it the way I do, "Shitface Asswipe". Much easier that way...

[Bagtatta]

Listen again for mention of family. I did not know until he mentioned it.

I stand corrected. He mentions his family. But it still just..I don't know. I wouldn't even consider the part with his wife. Just where he says "I've got young kids." I don't know. I don't know how to explain my opinion on this because I'm split, I sort of agree with A55, but I also don't. I think it was totally wrong of him to give the woman on the phone shit...In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if she's somehow psychologically traumatized from it. He should've composed himself more...But then again, I'm talking and I've never been in such a situation so who am I to criticize his actions.

[00x]

Well I agree with you that I'd be a pussy as well if I was inhaling so much smoke, stuck in hell, and know that I will die but I can't. Anyway I felt sorrier for the firemen

[JoeSF35]

An hour?! Damn. I could have found a way out given that much time. Or at least tried. I wouldnt waste time talking to a 911 operator (who is obviously aware of the situation)


Yes an hour. Meaning that he has come to realize there is no way out of the smoking building and he is scared shitless. He is hoping the firemen can find a way to get them out on their way up...use your brain...
Not to mention he had obviously been talking with her long before this recording starts, and he was sick of her stupid questions.


I dunno about all those consiracy theories, but I think buildings really can be imploded, bro. I saw some folks do it to a casino once.

Yes they can be, but the conspiracy theorists that I have debated with on forums like these, and wasted days and weeks of my life, have no education in the fields of physics or engineering and just spout BS out of their asses because they are mad at the world for rejecting them.
"Bro"

[JoeSF35]

I never said I would've been brave. I don't know if I would have. But I do know I wouldn't have made my last act on Earth to purposely hurt someone over the phone who was only trying to help.



If everyone acted this way while waiting for death, I'd have nothing to say. But they don't, so I do.



So wise!
I'm glad you are able to share all of your experiences from the times you have been near death and then died.
..tough guy

[bigun15]

could you possibly scan that and gimme a link, i would like to see it

Sorry it took so long but here's a couple parts of the scanned casualty list. I pointed out the names of the two that were heard in the audio.


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y295/bigun15/cosgrove_murdered.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y295/bigun15/cherry_murdered.jpg

[JaMaiCa]

If everyone acted this way while waiting for death, I'd have nothing to say. But they don't, so I do.

Have you ever been around someone sitting near a broken window waiting for help while slowly suffocating on scorching smoke? No, you haven't. Not only are you an arrogant asshole but you're also a disrepectful little jerkoff that thinks he knows how people should act while dying. Who the fuck are you to tell anyone how they should act while dying? Here's a tip shit stain, if you have something like that to say, keep it to yourself because no one honestly gives a fuck what you think about proper deathbed etiquette, and if they do they are probably as screwed up as you are.

[L4NC3R]

Here's a tip shit stain, if you have something like that to say, keep it to yourself because no one honestly gives a fuck what you think about proper deathbed etiquette
... obviously you cared a lot about what he said.

if they do they are probably as screwed up as you are.

Just an observation.

[JaMaiCa]

... obviously you cared a lot about what he said.



Just an observation.

Oh you're a real joker aren't you.

What I meant was no one should be telling other people how act while dying, and I doubt anyone thinks highly of someone who does.

[L4NC3R]

That's all that needed to be said.

[JaMaiCa]

If the comment wasn't so distasteful I would have reacted differently. This one called for special treatment.

[Quiet_Riot]

oh well, too bad WTC fell due to an impolsion. If you are upset that this man dies, go ask out wonderful government why it felt the need to kill 3000 of our own to go protect the fredoms of other people half way across the would.


You're a fucking idiot.

[Powassan]

Alright, enough of this armchair commando shit. Everyone who says he should have been braver FU. Here is a pic from a small controlled burn used for training.

Anyone who said "Oh I would have got out, or, He should have tryed to find his own way out, I would like to see you even try. How far can you see, even at the bottom of this picture. Oh and yes I was in there. For a small burn like that we reached 1200 degrees inside there, and thats a pretty low temperature compared to how hot it would get in a full sized fire.

Now imagine that inside the building, with much greater temperatures and way more smoke. There is no way your going anywhere on your own.


http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/powassan18/aaa.jpg

[theblackpint]

Have you ever been around someone sitting near a broken window waiting for help while slowly suffocating on scorching smoke? No, you haven't. Not only are you an arrogant asshole but you're also a disrepectful little jerkoff that thinks he knows how people should act while dying. Who the fuck are you to tell anyone how they should act while dying? Here's a tip shit stain, if you have something like that to say, keep it to yourself because no one honestly gives a fuck what you think about proper deathbed etiquette, and if they do they are probably as screwed up as you are.


QFT my friend

[Hitokage]

Maybe the guy should have been nicer, but honestly there is no way to say how any of us would react knowing we were probably going to die. You can say I'd do this and I'd do that, but you can't say that for true until you're in the situation.

I mean, for goodness sakes, people JUMPED OUT OF THE BUILDING. They jumped from as high as 100 stories up towards the end, because they knew they weren't gonna be rescued. They choose almost 100% certain death in their fear. They have recordings of people doing it.

I've seen the cospiracy things a ton of times. There are things I question, that confuse me, and things that don't. There was an aticle in Popular Mechanics about the towers falling. They scientifically explained as much as they could of it all. The only thing they failed to explain (and still haven't despite the fact I called them on it) is the thought that it would have been nearly impossible for so many of the 9-11 calls to have gotten through from the airplanes, for as long as some of them were, and as clear.

Can I say it was the government? No. Can I say it was a bunch of middle eastern people? No. Someone had something to gain from America getting pissed off like a bunch of wasp's in a disturbed hive.

[ConanTL]

Alright, enough of this armchair commando shit. Everyone who says he should have been braver FU. Here is a pic from a small controlled burn used for training.

Anyone who said "Oh I would have got out, or, He should have tryed to find his own way out, I would like to see you even try. How far can you see, even at the bottom of this picture. Oh and yes I was in there. For a small burn like that we reached 1200 degrees inside there, and thats a pretty low temperature compared to how hot it would get in a full sized fire.

Now imagine that inside the building, with much greater temperatures and way more smoke. There is no way your going anywhere on your own.


http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/powassan18/aaa.jpg

Smoke is horrible. Once a rag that I had in the kitchen caught fire. I was in another room until I smelled something strange. When I opened the door to the kitchen, smoke was all over. I was able to put the fire out quickly and not breathe too much of the smoke, but I was coughing for at least 10 minutes. Fucking horrible. The kitchen smelled like that for almost 4 weeks, although it was heavily ventilated.

[toomash]

All that shit

Do you know why he was talking like that? He was scared. That is all. You can be the niced person in the world but when you're scared and nearly shitting yourself that is what you would sound like.


SCARED

[Slice267]

I remember viewing this video awhile ago and I was really shocked...The kind of shocked that takes a few hours to get over...I defintely wasn't expecting that ending either

[A550RGY]

Have you ever been around someone sitting near a broken window waiting for help while slowly suffocating on scorching smoke? No, you haven't. Not only are you an arrogant asshole but you're also a disrepectful little jerkoff that thinks he knows how people should act while dying. Who the fuck are you to tell anyone how they should act while dying?

1) No, I've never been near someone dying in those conditions, but it's not hard to imagine that there were other people in the building that day with him that were using their oxygen for good things, like praying or giving moral support to each other. So some people surely behaved with dignity and some didn't. Why should I treat them equally?

2) Is there any point at which you'd find fault with his actions, or is he allowed to do anything while dying? What if he threatened the 911 operator that if he ever got out of there alive he would physically hurt her for not doing everything she could to help him sooner? Would you support a dying man making these kinds of threats? Obviously not. Therefore, where we differ is not on the issue of whether or not one can ever criticize a dying man, but whether or not what the dying man actually did was bad enough to be crticized. For me he crossed the line, for you he didn't.

[Bagtatta]

1) No, I've never been near someone dying in those conditions, but it's not hard to imagine that there were other people in the building that day with him that were using their oxygen for good things, like praying or giving moral support to each other. So some people surely behaved with dignity and some didn't. Why should I treat them equally?

That is quoted for truth. That's basically what I was thinking and trying to say, but just couldn't put it into words. And to me, the part about his family, totally another example. The only time they are mentioned is to the fireman (him saying he told his wife he's OK is excluded.) Maybe I'm being cliche' but I would imagine someone in such a situation, staring death in the face saying "Tell my family I love them, etc." Someone does also bring up the point though that this obviously is NOT the whole convo.

I think it's really unfair to make 100% sure decisions like A55 is making because like I said, this isn't the whole situation. While others were handling things well, you can't criticize someone 100% the way they act..some people just CAN'T handle it. While they may die somewhat like a jerk (no offense to him...but him basically giving that operator a guilt trip is a jerk thing to do,) I wouldn't hold them responsible. As I said, some just can't handle the pressure.

If I was him I would be up and about looking for an exit the whole tim e on the phone..jumping down flights, whatever need be. Knocking down walls.. He just sounds like he gave up hope. I won't deny it though, I would also be scared shitless and a nervous wreck. I don't know, this is a really good debate going on with the exclusion of douches like L4nce..

[viper025]

wow that was distrubing.....feel sry for the ppl in the building...... but also feel sorry for the fire fighters who were up in that building tryin to save lives and for the 911 operators who were the last to speak to a lot of the victims....imagine how they feel after goin home tat day

[mr.wow]

The ending gave me an image of what happened. Scary.

[PFChangz]

what i hate though is that some people in those buildings didnt just sit in a room and call for help but instead they went out to help those people in need and right when they thought they were gona get out of the bulding it collapses right on top of them. i mean just imagine you find a bunch of people locked up in an office. you break down the door and help them all out. now as you are helping them get to the stairwell the fucking roof falls on you and you die. i feel so bad for those people that tried so hard to help as many people as they could but they ended up dying anyways.

[Damaris]

This might sound weird because I was thousands of miles away when it happened, but even now I feel a small amount of guilt for still being alive and living such a nice life, in contrast to what happened to them. It's hard to explain... I know there is nothing I could have done, but sometimes when I see the pictures, read the stories or do something incredibly stupid like click on a link like that, I feel that guilt again.

When I feel compelled to complain about everyday things, I think about those people who were trapped in the building, or died on the plane, and feel like shit because I realize that I have no right to bitch about anything.

[mcginty_PB]

This left an empty whole in the pit of my stomach. We must not forget what we are up against with the people who perpetrated these attacks on our country. It would be for us as a country to fight these people if it were as simple a matter as "all muslims" we could focus on but it's not. My brother just returned from Afganistan were he witnessed a vehicle full of his buddies blown up in front of him and held one who survived the intitial insult of having both his legs severred in the blast only to have him bleed to death in his arms before help could arrive. These people are not cowards!! They are evil hateful people who want us dead (and I'm still not sure why?). The bottom line and reason for my post is that I don't want to leave it unsaid that we should have the sober realization that 911 can and will happen again if our efforts in the middle east fail. SUPPORT OR TROOPS!

[snyderman]

This left an empty whole in the pit of my stomach. We must not forget what we are up against with the people who perpetrated these attacks on our country. It would be for us as a country to fight these people if it were as simple a matter as "all muslims" we could focus on but it's not. My brother just returned from Afganistan were he witnessed a vehicle full of his buddies blown up in front of him and held one who survived the intitial insult of having both his legs severred in the blast only to have him bleed to death in his arms before help could arrive. These people are not cowards!! They are evil hateful people who want us dead (and I'm still not sure why?). The bottom line and reason for my post is that I don't want to leave it unsaid that we should have the sober realization that 911 can and will happen again if our efforts in the middle east fail. SUPPORT OR TROOPS!

Damn, that is something nobody should expirience. I think we can all agree on troop support. I wish Bush supported them by putting 150,000 pairs of boots in Afghanistan from day 1 to help with situations just like your brother was in.

[Solidus]

1) ...it's not hard to imagine that there were other people in the building that day with him that were using their oxygen for good things, like praying...
hahahahahahahahahahahaa

[rabid_celt]

... now I'm going to feel sick to my stomach for the rest of the night. Listening to that was terrible.

I was only in the eighth grade when the World Trade Center collapsed, and of course I felt terrible then. It only just hit me this year when we watched in senior year of high school footage of people jumping from the windows to their deaths.

But now, this just made it more real. The ending was horrible. I don't know if this should be on ebaums. But I think that people should hear it, but not necessarily here.

Now my hippie side: stop the war now. More people are going to die. For reasons that have NOTHING to pertain to 9/11.
Yes. I know. The attacks on the WTC was a horrific experience, and they deserved to be counteracted. they were, but not anymore.

[bravnot]

the people who are complaining about this guy's attitude would be the same people who wet their pants at any opportunity to defend themselves in any example. it's so easy to hide behind a monitor and criticize.

anyone who wants to say this guy is a wuss for the way he acted is more than welcome to take a fully paid ticket, courtesy of me, to meet me on the grassy knoll in dallas so i can ask you face to face how you really feel about it and watch you squirm like the little pussy ass you are.

this is not a joke. anyone who wants to take me up on it is more than welcome. i'll pay for you to come here and tell me to my face he was acting like a girl. let's see how tough you fucknuts are.

[Heresy]

For me it keeps stopping at the part where the dispatcher says the fire department is trying to get to his floor and he goes 'doesnt seem like it'.

[Bagtatta]

the people who are complaining about this guy's attitude would be the same people who wet their pants at any opportunity to defend themselves in any example. it's so easy to hide behind a monitor and criticize.

anyone who wants to say this guy is a wuss for the way he acted is more than welcome to take a fully paid ticket, courtesy of me, to meet me on the grassy knoll in dallas so i can ask you face to face how you really feel about it and watch you squirm like the little pussy ass you are.

this is not a joke. anyone who wants to take me up on it is more than welcome. i'll pay for you to come here and tell me to my face he was acting like a girl. let's see how tough you fucknuts are.

Congrats on your humungous balls, douche bag. If you would stop being so stubborn and be OPEN you may understand. We aren't even neccesarily saying he acted like a wuss. Some people are arguing it but our main problem is the way he treated the poor operator who was just trying to help him. Not everyone is as much of a pussy as you think they are. In fact, you strike me as someone who would commit the same assholish move this guy did. Yeah, good thinking with your grassy knoll "call out." If it's so serious, I hope someone accepts it and sues your ass off after you beat him up just to show you're such a tough guy and true American!

At least we are debating in a non-immaturish way (over the internet...It's a miracle.) Then some bleeding heart tough guy has to make himself feel big behind his monitor. STFU, everyone has their own opinions. People like you are the reason this country is such a fucking shithole, no tolerance for OPINIONS. Forget no tolerance of race, that's the past. It's opinion that no one tolerates now because douche bags like this guy. Grow the hell up, tough guy.

[pr0t0nix]

Down With America!

[Matt0401]

Down with terrorist jerks. It's okay to voice your opinion about another country. It's not okay to kill that country's troops over it. And it's DEFINETILY not okay to kill innocent people over it.

[Skorpionz]

Loved that part where he says "Oh God, Ohhh!!!" The rest was boring.

[Dilcoe]

Are you sure "loved" is the word you're looking for?

[snyderman]

Down with terrorist jerks. It's okay to voice your opinion about another country. It's not okay to kill that country's troops over it. And it's DEFINETILY not okay to kill innocent people over it.

QFT, but to play devils advocate, even Bush admitted 30,000 innocent Iraqis have died. Even if he wasnt lowballing it, that is a helluva lot more than 2750. Maybe its justifed because they struck first. Well not them, but yall know what i mean.

[A550RGY]

hahahahahahahahahahahaa
It may not have changed the outcome of that day, but praying outloud would likely give some form of comfort to others during thier last minutes. So, yeah, hahahahahaa or whatever.

[RyogaVee]

I guess im the only person NOT moved by this. 5 years later and they release this on an election year just to gain support for the war. If you really want to move me how about somone post the 9/11 tapes of the fire fighters screeming that there are bombs going off in the building. That would impress me.

[Caveman]

f you really wan to move me how about somone post the 9/11 tapes of the fire fighters screeming that there are bombs going off in the building. that would impress me.
It would impress me too....considering there were no bombs in the WTC

[Refuse]

The Twin Towers were in New York, the man had a New York accent...my guess, he's a New Yorker. Since when have New Yorkers been known to be pleasant? So what if he had a bad attitude...the man died horrifically from a terroristic attack on the U.S.

I think we can excuse his attitude problem...you know...considering. When you get a chance to take part in a falling building that was just hit by a large plane, then tell us how you feel...make sure to bring your smile.

I think this wav file belongs here just as much as any other video or sound file here. For one its not like they sneak it on you. eBaums is not responsible for people with cognitive abilities below par since they legally should be monitored at all times. So, unless 9/11 is something to be ashamed of and/or something that needs to be censored, it has no reason to "not" be here.

I say thanks for the reminder. It's not like I don't have the choice to avoid the next one. I mean, since I'm the one that clicks on the links and all.

But that's just me...

[Damaris]

I don't profess to be either a bleeding-heart liberal or a cold-blooded 'Merkin out for revenge against those nasty Islamics (sarcasm lightly used here). I empathize greatly with the innocent people who died as a result of this attack... at the Pentagon, on the plane, at the WTC, and all of the innocent people who have died in Iraq too (I include both Iraqi citizens and military in this). I guess what shook me up the most about this recording was that those people KNEW they were going to die. They knew there was no chance of getting out alive. They were suffering... choking on smoke, smothered by the heat... and they consciously knew they would never see their loved ones again, at least on this plane of existence. I could not even begin to imagine how horrifying that was for them.

Given the circumstances, I can completely understand why he was acting the way he was... he didn't speak that way to the 911 operator because he was an asshole. He spoke that way because he was terrified of his impending death, and that fear was causing him to completely lose it. I would have done the same thing (alternating between tears and prayer, of course).

[Dilcoe]

I thought it came as a shock to everyone when those towers fell. They were so solidly built, I'm sure most everyone expected them to survive the ordeal. That's why many people still believe that the government assisted the demolishment, because they can't believe that the towers fell solely from the planes hitting them.

I doubt most of the people in that building, especially the ones below the fire, thought that they were going to die. There's nothing disrespectful towards anyone in saying that.

[johnnycupcakes]

bummer that Bush could have stopped this.

[RyogaVee]

bummer that Bush could have stopped this.
by not giving the order

[johnnycupcakes]

exactly

20 char

[werewolfversion]

by not giving the order
What order? The man has the IQ of a fucking raisin. He can't speak without making a fool of himself. You think that, that guy is capable of pulling of the largest attack on American soil? Why did they use explosions to implode the building? Causing the building to fall sideways would've caused more casualties and wouldn't have given the tinfoil croud and "living" material.

[FutureGuy]

Leave it to the 12-year-old tinfoil-hat trainees on eBaumsworld to make the usual "OMFG BUSH DID IT CONSPIRACY!!1!" comments in a thread about a tragic 9/11 video. :rollseyes

[ithrowthings]

Causing the building to fall sideways would've caused more casualties and wouldn't have given the tinfoil croud and "living" material.

what's a tinfoil croud?

[Refuse]

by not giving the order



You're right... it's so obvious. A man that's known for punishing murders to the fullest extent of Texas law to a murderer himself. Not just a murderer, but from a man that desired to be a patriotic leader of the U.S. to a traitor of the U.S.

He may have had the motivation (however inane for the scenerio) what do we have to show the nature? Nothing...give it a rest. Bush didn't "Give any orders."

That is, unless Marry Poppins pressured him into it. I hear she once wanted Bush to drop a Nuclear bomb on Houston so we could blame it on terrorists too... :rollseyes

[dropofahat]

...my guess, he's a New Yorker. Since when have New Yorkers been known to be pleasant?
Actually, believe it or not, New York City just come in first in a "politeness" survey - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13452608/from/ET/

Being a New Yorker myself, instead of an ironic "FU" signoff, I'm going to go with a nice "I love you, brother".

[werewolfversion]

what's a tinfoil croud?
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9100/morganreynolds911conspiracytheorytinfoilxg6.jpg

[RyogaVee]

It would impress me too....considering there were no bombs in the WTC
I guess you never heard the tapes then

[Just Spurplin]

I guess you never heard the tapes then
Guess you never heard the ones that said there werent bombs.

How big of an asshole do you have to be to scream "CONSPIRACY!!!" in a thread talking about someone that tragically and painfully lost their life?

[RyogaVee]

Guess you never heard the ones that said there werent bombs.

Im talking about the live tapes that were kept secret untill this year where the fire fighters were saying that there were explosion all over the place. The peoplo on the street were saying there were bombs going, even the news were reporting live that there were bombs exploding inside the building.

[Squibbles]

After watching the videos, I'm one of the people that believe that there was something inside the building (explosives). I think that it just feel to fast to for it to be able to fall through the levels below it on its own.

[werewolfversion]

Im talking about the live tapes that were kept secret untill this year where the fire fighters were saying that there were explosion all over the place. The peoplo on the street were saying there were bombs going, even the news were reporting live that there were bombs exploding inside the building.
If those tapes are classified, how did you hear about them?

BTW, can you tell me what the DoD uses as the RAM on a B-2? kthxbye.

[puppetmasterjjk]

maybe they accidentally crashed?

[Refuse]

Actually, believe it or not, New York City just come in first in a "politeness" survey - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13452608/from/ET/

Being a New Yorker myself, instead of an ironic "FU" signoff, I'm going to go with a nice "I love you, brother".


I like Readers Digest...

[RyogaVee]

If those tapes are classified, how did you hear about them?

BTW, can you tell me what the DoD uses as the RAM on a B-2? kthxbye.
they were not released untill this year.

[JoeSF35]

they were not released untill this year.

I think it's quite obvious from the times of day that you post that you need to get off of Alex Jones' nut sack and go get a job.

[RyogaVee]

http://www.wnbc.com/news/1315651/detail.html
i'll quote from the tapes...

Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.

[Helios]

Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.

Where do they say bombs are blowing up? Things explode besides bombs, you know. And how many of these explosions were electrical systems shorting, transformers and switchgear blowing, generators failing, steam pipes bursting, flaming debris and steel beams falling down elevator shafts, etc. If you want a good website to disprove all of your conspiracies, try http:
//www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html (http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html)

[Caveman]

I was one of the "people on the street" and I heard no bombs.

As for the firefighters on the recordings you refer to (which were released soon after 9/11 btw, not kept "secret" as you claim), they said it SOUNDED like bombs going off, which I'm certain it did. There would have been quite a few secondary explosions inside the building as the fires burned and the jet fuel spread (gas lines, transformers, diesel tanks for the emergency generators, among other things) which would have sounded like bombs. You're failing to take into account the chaos that I witnessed that day. We knew that we were under attack, and there were eight million stories flying around. To claim something an excited fireman yelled into a radio in the midst of unprecedented panic and confusion as proof of anything is, well, silly, and not something that a serious person would consider evidence of anything.

Occam's Razor, my friend. When you hear hooves approaching, think horses, not zebras.

This is all that needs to be said in this thread.