rules of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS

[justifyd]

The rules of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS when it comes to the Israeli-Arab conflict:
Rule # 1 : In the Middle East, it is always the Arabs that attack first, and it's always Israel who defends itself. This is called "retaliation".

Rule # 2: The Arabs, whether Palestinians or Lebanese, are not allowed to kill Israelis. This is called "terrorism"/

Rule # 3: Israel has the right to kill Arab civilians, this is called "self-defense", or these days "collateral damage".

Rule # 4: When Israel kills too many civilians. The Western world calls for restraint. This is called the "reaction of the international community".

Rule # 5: Palestinians and Lebanese do not have the right to capture Israeli military, not even a limited number, not even 1 or 2.

Rule # 6: Israel has the right to capture as many Palestinians as they want (Palestinians: around 10000 to
date, 300 of which are children, Lebanese: 1000s to date, being held without trial). There is no limit; there is no need for proof of guilt or trial. All that is needed is the magic word: "terrorism"

Rule # 7: When you say "Hezbollah", always be sure to add "supported by Syria and Iran"

Rule # 8 : When you say "Israel", never say "supported by the USA, the UK and other European countries", for people (God forbid) might believe this is not an equal conflict

Rule # 9: When it comes to Israel, don't mention the words "occupied territories", "UN resolutions", "Geneva conventions". This could distress the audience of Fox.

Rule # 10: Israelis speak better English than Arabs. This is why we let them
speak out as much as possible, so that they can explain rules 1 through 9. This is called "neutral journalism".

Rule # 11: If you don't agree with these rules or if you favor the Arab side over the Israeli side, you must be a very dangerous anti-Semite. You may even have to make a public apology if you express your honest opinion (isn't democracy wonderful?)

Seems about right.

[skymater]

What happens if an insect falls in a cup of coffee ?!

The British : will throw the cup into the street and leave the coffee shop for good.

The American : will get the insect out and drink the coffee.

The Chinese : will eat the insect and drink the coffee.

The Israeli will :
(1) Sell the coffee to the American and the insect to the Chinese.

(2) Cry on all media channels that he feels insecure.

(3) Accuse the Palestinians, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran of using germ-weapons.

(4) Keep on crying about anti-semitism and violations of human rights.

(5) Ask the Palestinian President to stop planting insects in the cups of coffee.

(6) Re-occupy the West Bank, Gaza Strip.

(7) Demolish houses, confiscate lands, cut water and electrity from Palestinian houses and randomly shoot Palestinians.

(8) Ask the United States for urgent military support and a loan of one million dollars in order to buy a new cup of coffee.

(9) Ask the United Nations to punish the coffee-shop owner by making him offer free coffee to him till the end of the century.

(10)Last but not least, accuse the whole world to be standing still, not even sympathizing with the Israeli Nation.

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while we are at it with the lists and everything :D

[Elmo?]

^^^^ I think it's unfair to characterize the Palestinian struggle as a cup of coffee..... you do them no justice.

[deballedtomcat]

1-Thou shalt not call Islamic people terrorists................even if they do kill innocent women,children,and civilians all in the name of their cult figurehead,allah,and his boy wonder,mohommed.

*That's for your own pretection,they get mad and blow more things up if criticize them.
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2-Isreal is not allowed to fight back against terrorists who cowardly hide behind civilians,that is called terrorism by misguided fools who think its okay to hate Jews.

3-Said terrorists have the right to hurl rockets into civilian populations in Isreal,and take their soldiers as hostages even in times of non war,because everybody knows one civilian casualty on the Islamic side is worth 10 civilian casualties on Isreals side.

4-When Isreal doesn't unleash its full military night on terrorists,they still get crticized for civilian casualties..........even if the other side does the same thing,they are immune from criticism.*see rule 3 for clarification.

5-Isreal does not have the right to imprison anybody who could possibly be atherat to their national security or their people,only the other side is allowed to do that

6-when you say Hezbollah,do not under any circumstances call attention to the fact that they are not a legitimate government and do not represent any legitimate or recognized sovereign nations,likewise where it is not politically incorrect to point out that Isreal is a legitimate nation,it might earn you a chorus of boos or someone jumping in from the peanut gallery claiming they "stole the land" from the innocent little terrorist ancestors.Even if that's bullshit,why argue with them?

7-Never,ever,under any circumstances even try to defend anything Isreal does,if you do will be labelled a hatemonger or anti Muslim.

8-and finally,never ever attempt to come to Ebaums world forums with any intelligent well thought out posts taking the side of Isreal,someone might decide to post a thread like this one.

[Heinz57]

The Chinese : will eat the insect and drink the coffee.

Erm... shouldn't it be "eat the insect and throw away the coffee"?

[rand0m]

deballedtomcat, has the most accurate set of rules here.

yeah flame me or bring up stupid shit like israel stole the land, you only prove our point further

[Nocturnal]

deballedtomcat, has the most accurate set of rules here.

yeah flame me or bring up stupid shit like israel stole the land, you only prove our point further

What point?

[Ace Hippie]

Both of these lists are largely fallacies and are probably more useful as examples of why the two/various sides remain apart than anything else. They both have their heads stuck so far up their asses they can't see that they're only defeating themselves.


yeah flame me or bring up stupid shit like israel stole the land, you only prove our point further

No offense, but I see you and others use this a lot - if anything's posted against you, it's "flaming" or "propaganda" and only "proves" that you're right, which is nonsensical.

[Stu Pidasole]

Rule 1: War is not fair. If it were, it would be a game or sport.

Rule 2: Rules were made to be broken.

Rule 3: War is not fair.

Rule 4: "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" is a huge waste of energy.

Rule 5: Jihad is for pussies.

End of rules...............

~SP

[Chewy]

Rule 1: War is not fair. If it were, it would be a game or sport.

Rule 2: Rules were made to be broken.

Rule 3: War is not fair.

Rule 4: "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" is a huge waste of energy.

End of rules...............

~SP
So basically you condone, support and endorse the beheading of US personal then?

[Ghostmaker]

So basically you condone, support and endorse the beheading of US personal then?

Just because someone aknowledges shit happens, doesn't mean they like it.

:err:

[_Joe]

What happens if an insect falls in a cup of coffee ?!

The British : will throw the cup into the street and leave the coffee shop for good.

The American : will get the insect out and drink the coffee.

The Chinese : will eat the insect and drink the coffee.

The Israeli will :
(1) Sell the coffee to the American and the insect to the Chinese.

(2) Cry on all media channels that he feels insecure.

(3) Accuse the Palestinians, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran of using germ-weapons.

(4) Keep on crying about anti-semitism and violations of human rights.

(5) Ask the Palestinian President to stop planting insects in the cups of coffee.

(6) Re-occupy the West Bank, Gaza Strip.

(7) Demolish houses, confiscate lands, cut water and electrity from Palestinian houses and randomly shoot Palestinians.

(8) Ask the United States for urgent military support and a loan of one million dollars in order to buy a new cup of coffee.

(9) Ask the United Nations to punish the coffee-shop owner by making him offer free coffee to him till the end of the century.

(10)Last but not least, accuse the whole world to be standing still, not even sympathizing with the Israeli Nation.

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while we are at it with the lists and everything :D


I guess the fly in the coffee represents Israeli children being blown up on a street corner.

[JackGold1984]

Seems about right.

wow you pretty much summed it up :D

[Chewy]

Just because someone aknowledges shit happens, doesn't mean they like it.

:err:
He said


Rule 1: War is not fair. If it were, it would be a game or sport.

Rule 2: Rules were made to be broken.

Rule 3: War is not fair.

Rule 4: "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" is a huge waste of energy.

Now if there are rules that are made to be upheld and you hold people to be accountable then you have standards. Morality in fact. War is not savagery any soldier in here would state that.

[Grave]

I would say war is the goal-oriented use of savagery.

You're both right.

War is not fair, and it is not a game.

Neither can we equate it with murder.

The intentional use of controlled violence is perhaps mankind's longest-standing legacy, and a final resort when political structures give in to the inherent darkness of the human heart. We do not spend our days fighting our impulses to do good.

[Liberator13]

When is the last time we fought an enemy that followed any sort of civilized rules, Chewy?

[whocares]

When is the last time we fought an enemy that followed any sort of civilized rules, Chewy?
You are trying to justify the US acting like the enemies?

[Liberator13]

No... I'm tired of people sympathizing with those organizations that base all of their offensive operations on attacking civilians. Thats all I'm saying, quit trying to look for hidden meanings and shit in all posts.

[Ace Hippie]

What's being said is that there is a double standard, but it's a good one, I think. Terrorist organizations are expected to attack civilians, torture people, mistreat prisoners, and so on. That's part of what makes them so odious in the first place. The difference, and double standard, is that we (in theory) hold ourselves to higher standards, and do not lower ourselves to that level.

It's not sympathy for terrorists that's at stake, it's our moral high ground.

[Liberator13]

I don't see our moral high ground in trouble... sure, we have some soldiers that crossed the line, and they have been or are in the process of being punished.
Its just like Islamic radicals, I have no ill-will toward Islam or it's people, its the extremists I despise.
I love our military, there are some aspects I may not like, but overall, I highly respect the men and women in all of our armed forces. I do dislike, however, those individuals that make bad decisions that cost unnecessary suffering and death.

[Ace Hippie]

Chewy was responding to a post suggesting that 'rules' were made to be broken, in this case meaning that the rules of war should not be regarded as sancrosant. We're discussing things more on a theoretical level than anything else, although if you really wanted to debate practical aspects of that philosophy, I'm sure someone will.

[bergshadow]

I don't see our moral high ground in trouble... sure, we have some soldiers that crossed the line, and they have been or are in the process of being punished. The only people who can't see the US high moral ground in trouble are US citizens who get most of their news from US TV stations, and refuse to add up what they see there even.

Everyone else sees secret torture prisons scattered around in places like Romania, rendition programs, lawless detainment and torture centers like Gitmo and Bagram and Abu Ghraib, wholesale aerial bombardment of civilians in response to guerrilla attacks, alliances with the scum currently running the 'stans, installation of the corrupt and venal to govern places like Iraq and Afghanistan, large scale hiring of mercenaries and outsourcing of assassinations and tortures, military force backing corporate and monetary interests, blockade of medical and humanitarian aid to civilians,

and they see an erosion of moral authority, most definitely. Which will cost us heavily for many years.

And that is without an accounting of the domestic erosion: we appear to be tolerating an executive branch that has declared, explicitly and publically, that it is not bound by US law in issues involving national security, and that whether national security is involved in an issue is its own judgment to make. We have high level government officials who are openly, not secretly, enriching themselves and their corporate allies through political action.

Moral high ground?

[whocares]

No... I'm tired of people sympathizing with those organizations that base all of their offensive operations on attacking civilians. Thats all I'm saying, quit trying to look for hidden meanings and shit in all posts.
No one has symphatized with terrorists... but with innocent people that have been tortured or killed...

No one said that the enemy was following war rules, in fact, everyone knows they are crazy fanatical muslims that will make terrorist acts...

[Stu Pidasole]

Rule 1: War is not fair. If it were, it would be a game or sport.

Rule 2: Rules were made to be broken.

Rule 3: War is not fair.

Rule 4: "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" is a huge waste of energy.

Rule 5: Jihad is for pussies.

End of rules...............

~SP



So basically you condone, support and endorse the beheading of US personal then?

Where did I say that?


Just because someone aknowledges shit happens, doesn't mean they like it.

:err:

QFT



Now if there are rules that are made to be upheld and you hold people to be accountable then you have standards. Morality in fact. War is not savagery any soldier in here would state that.

I understand that industrilzed countries have "so called" rules for engaging the enemy. Currently we are not fighting any of them. Please explain, how do you hold an enemy to rules when they live by no rules. How do you negotiate the rules of war to terrorists?

I never said I condoned anything. War is BRUTAL, that's a fact. Besides far worst things happened in Southeast Asia. I'll be happy to share some of my brothers stories anytime you'ld like to hear them. Just make sure you haven't eaten first.


Chewy was responding to a post suggesting that 'rules' were made to be broken, in this case meaning that the rules of war should not be regarded as sancrosant.

Weather rules are ment to be broken or not they are broken. How much of the Geneva Convention is being adhered to by the enemy? My guess would be, only those parts sticking to their butts as they wipe them selves with it.

~SP

[Ace Hippie]

And again, so what? The whole reason we look down upon terrorist groups is precisely because they don't follow the Geneva Accords, and because they do commit atrocities, etc. That's not a reason to do so ourselves, or else you become no better than them. What is so hard to understand about that?

If you want to start acting like them, go ahead. Don't be surprised if you see more captured US and allied soldiers butchered, mistreated and tortured, though. Or civilians attacked, or allies less willing to work with us since we show the same lack of respect for life and decency that the terrorists do.