muscle or import?

[Coven66]

here's a actual poll that is more scientific,
p.s
i would like to also see pics of your fav cars, i'm a muscle man myself and here's my fav muscle car (it may be new, but it is a muscle car)

[RLich8]

Love this car, and the dad will own one soon. For now, I've just got this picture.

Its a Mercedes-Benz 2003 SL500. Its got a starting MSRP of $86 G's. We are paying 5 G's over list price of near fully loaded. (In the end, about 93 G's.)

http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/sl_500_1_main.jpg

[jetsfan142000]

coven, dont get me wrong, that is a beautiful car but its not a muscle car. Thats more of an exotic car.

[Coven66]

it is classified as a muscle car, one of the last. i

[Trogdoooor]

1969 camaro ss\triple black. Enough said.

[Sas]

When I hear import, the first thing that comes to mind is huge body kit, huge, stacked, or uneeded wings, along with systems that usually go for pure bass, and have no concerns about sound quality, usually with scrawny white teens driving them, with a hat either backwards or tilted to the side. That's something I'm not a fan of, so I'd have to say muscle all the way. I'd rather have go then show on my car :D

[killerz]

sure go is more important than show, but show is aslo a great thing to have. Muscle All the way.

[Unregistered]

Well imports and domestics have their strengths and weaknesses....domestics such as the viper and vette are cool kick ass cars and japan offers imports like the supra, skyline, 300ZX, RX7, etc etc that are actually fast, unlike hondas.

[Dumbass]

I know that I have posted this before, but again, here is my favorite car of all time. I'd get the 150k upgrade, gives the car a Ford 427 engine and a Vortex Turbocharger, 750 horsepower!

[brainkandy87]

Import.

I like the vettes and everything...but you can't go wrong with a Japanese car...well...except my Daewoo...but that's Korean, so let's not get into that. :rolleyes:

But, it does get around 130-ish (Advertised 140) without the power option going, which is good considering the price of it...I just got the luck of buying a great car from a dead company. But that's life.

[xboxfever.com]

Let's face it: German cars rule. Period.

Muscle cars? Have you seen the inside of an American car these days? Fake plastic, fake wood, seats that hurt your ass, even the Vette uses the parts from the impala part bins for fuck's sake.

If I'm gonna spend $50K on a car, it better look like a $5oK car.

And don't get me started on Japanese cars... (www.angermismanagement.com/rant_civic.htm) I didn't know hate until I drove in a Civic. My ass and my back still hurt, and my ears are still in shock of the crappy sound that came out of the coke can muffler.

[shade]

What about imported muscle? The 350z has 287 HP and 274 lbs of torque... compare that to the 2000 series mustang GT which has 260 hp with 320 lbs of torque. Then take in to account weight...

I always a huge domestic muscle fan. They always had the best bang for buck. I thought imported cars (asian, bmw, and mercedes) were wastes of money. And I still do in general, but the 350z is the exception. A japanese car that has american type muscle, while still being n/a, weighing less, and has the handling of a porsche.

[xboxfever.com]

"has the handling of a Porsche"... but not the finish, the ferociousness, nor the overall quality. No thanks... if I am going to spend $35K+, it won't be for a Nissan...

[Kanism]

Originally posted by xboxfever.com
"has the handling of a Porsche"... but not the finish, the ferociousness, nor the overall quality. No thanks... if I am going to spend $35K+, it won't be for a Nissan... the lineage of the Z is an impressive one....(okay, basically the 300Z was it...but, what a fine car that was!!!!)...the 350Z is a good looking car as well...if the waiting list for the bitch wasn't so long...I'd look into getting one (that and if I had the money :D)

[xboxfever.com]

don't get me wrong, I don't think that it is a bad car. I just think that comparing it to a Porsche is ridiculously stretching common sense.

And I still still think that it is too much money too...

[Kanism]

Originally posted by xboxfever.com
don't get me wrong, I don't think that it is a bad car. I just think that comparing it to a Porsche is ridiculously stretching common sense.

And I still still think that it is too much money too... what's too much money is shucking out $1K for my stupid 60K maintenance on my stupid BMW...that's too much money!!! fucking rip off artists!

[xboxfever.com]

Yeah, but it's a BMW :D Gotta love that!

[Kanism]

don't get me wrong...BMW's are my car of choice!...stupid maintenance is making me batty tho...changed the air filter the other day....fitty bucks!!! and a light bulb? a frickin light bulb?!?!? 5 bucks!!!! DAMN!!!! and don't get me started on how I'm getting ass raped on insurance

[xboxfever.com]

I drive an Audi A4 Turbo Quattro... I know the feeling with the insurance rates :(

But buddy the bottom line is that we drive in style :D

[Kanism]

Originally posted by xboxfever.com
I drive an Audi A4 Turbo Quattro... I know the feeling with the insurance rates :(

But buddy the bottom line is that we drive in style :D true dat...altho the Audi I want is the TT convertible!!!!

[xboxfever.com]

nice ride. I was thinking about getting one when I trade in my A4, but now that I have two kids, I may just go for the A6

[Kanism]

Originally posted by xboxfever.com
nice ride. I was thinking about getting one when I trade in my A4, but now that I have two kids, I may just go for the A6 yep...I think my next car step is gonna have to be the 540...gotta like the full sized engine in the mid-sized car!

[xboxfever.com]

Have you seen the new 5 series look? It's gonna take some getting used to for me :(

[Kanism]

if in new, you mean the 2003's...they're sweet!!!!

but BMW is bringing back the 6 series...gotta save the pennies for one of those beauties!

[xboxfever.com]

no I mean the 2004 5-series...

[Kanism]

Originally posted by xboxfever.com
no I mean the 2004 5-series... .....no....I can't dream beyond my means right now :(

[xboxfever.com]

check it out online to see the pics. It was in the latest issue of Automobile mag. Once you see it, you might not even have to worry about how much it costs ;)

[brainkandy87]

Originally posted by xboxfever.com
Yeah, but it's a BMW :D Gotta love that!

Indeed.

I saw one of the new Z series the other day, an atric blue color...God that was a sweet car. I keep telling my Dad to trade in his Buick and get a new beemer...but he's got the idea that Kanism is experiencing...lmao...it sucks Kani, but like Xbox said...it's a BMW. :D

[xboxfever.com]

trading an old Buick for a BMW, is like trading in the old decrepit wife for britney Spears and Xtina Aguilera with the promise that they will engage in hot lesbian sex just for you at the drop of a hat.

In other words, make sure his ticker can take it ;)

[shade]

"has the handling of a Porsche"... but not the finish, the ferociousness, nor the overall quality. No thanks... if I am going to spend $35K+, it won't be for a Nissan...
Well, good thing it starts at 25k. Considering the price difference between the two cars, there damn well be a difference :). Im just saying that the 350z is an affordable and available porsche. Also, greddy has made a twin turbo prototype (it may be in production now, not sure though) that bumps it up to 550 hp. Then you have the speed of a 911 turbo and very comparable handling at around 35k.

[Kanism]

Originally posted by brainkandy87
Indeed.

I saw one of the new Z series the other day, an atric blue color...God that was a sweet car. I keep telling my Dad to trade in his Buick and get a new beemer...but he's got the idea that Kanism is experiencing...lmao...it sucks Kani, but like Xbox said...it's a BMW. :D yep...maintenance sucks, but the ride sure is worth it!

my dad is of the opinion that if it gets ya where yer going...it's good...but, damn if he doesn't take my car when I go home to visit. :D

[Dins]

imports are so much better than muscle
got the style, class, performance and the name

[Dins]

oh yeah
i so want this car

[Dins]

or this one

[shade]

BTW, did you know that Porsche has 8 models of the 911 series for sale?
Hey man, if I had the money I would get one. But realistically for me (college student graduating in one or two years) I wont be able to afford a porsche for quite some time. Especially since Im going to be starting a family within 10 years... which includes house etc. So until Im 45 or 50 and rollin in cash, I have to go with bang for buck instead of actual best. That is why I advocate the 350z so much.

Car to Car, 911 or Carrera > 350z
Realistically buyable, 350z > 911 or carrera
Bang for Buck, 350z > 911 or Carrera

[brainkandy87]

Porsche and Ferrari aren't cars that you use. You wipe them with a diaper all day long.

Now a BMW, those are performance cars.

So, I agree. :D

[xboxfever.com]

You can buy a decent 911, used, for around $20K. Needless to say, it's an older car, but it still a boatload of fun. I had a 73 for while, and man what a ride she was! The ole '73, me, and the autobahn... oh yeah, good memories...

[Dins]

to really enjoy a muscle or import you would have to be able to drive real fast without gtting a ticket. speedlimits really spoil the fun of having a fast car

go autobahn

[Kanism]

Originally posted by Dins
to really enjoy a muscle or import you would have to be able to drive real fast without gtting a ticket. speedlimits really spoil the fun of having a fast car

go autobahn the man speaks the truth...there's no point in owning a high performance sports car unless you can open the bitch up and use it to its full potential...speed limits SUCK!!!!

[xboxfever.com]

don't get me started on speed limits! (www.angermismanagement.com/rant_speedlimit.htm)

:D

[brainkandy87]

xbox...how much money you make off that stuff? it's money. lmao

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by Dins
imports are so much better than muscle
got the style, class, performance and the name

not sure how fair a comparison to a ferrari and most domestics is..... :p

[xboxfever.com]

Originally posted by brainkandy87
xbox...how much money you make off that stuff? it's money. lmao


off of what stuff?

[brainkandy87]

AngerMismanagement.com

You do have a commision program with it don't you?

[xboxfever.com]

nope it's my site. I own it. I write all the rants in the "My rants" section...

[Dins]

xbox: i love the article. awesome thing.

nocturnal: the question of this threat is muscle or import, so i am saying import, backed up by the awesome car, which is an import and i think is one of the nicest and best cars ever. true, it cannot be compared with domestic/cheaper cars, but everyone that said muscle before in this thread used really expensive and powered up cars, so why shouldn't i. I mean, i would still settle for a golf or jetta or bmw 5 series or mercedes or whatever there is nice made in Germany, rather than a pt cruiser. but that's just me.

[xboxfever.com]

thanks for the kind words about the site. And it's not just you: you're not gonna catch me dead in a PT Cruiser either ;)

[Dins]

if somebody would give me one, i wouldn't say no, i think it's a fun car. still think a golf or jetta is way better, even at a lower price. especially the blue light on the instrument panel. that is the best part of it...

[xboxfever.com]

I'd take it, sell it to some local loser, and go to the VW dealership ;)

[Dins]

:D:D:D:D:D

awesome, i like that.

[brainkandy87]

I like the PT Cruisers, but it's one tiny mofo. It has no trunk...just a space big enuff for a small midget...just like Al Capone woulda wanted... :rolleyes:

[Dins]

if you look at it from the outside though, it looks like it has a lot of space. but once you are inside, it is quite small, don't know how they did that.

[xboxfever.com]

it's built on the neon platform... need I say more?

[minia]

In my friends' experiences Jettas have a lot of problems after a year or so, ie window falling into the door, doorlocks coming out of the door, etc. Yall know anything about that??

[xboxfever.com]

never heard of that. But with the warranty they come with anyway, I wouldn't be too worried...

[xboxfever.com]

don't forget that the jetta is not built in Germany. It's built from German parts, but not *in* Germany.

The passat is built in GErmany however, and used, you can get a late model for under $18K... that's a lot of car for the money.

[minia]

I see, just wondering because the people I know that have that car have almost the same exact problems. I would definitely go with a Passat then....

[xboxfever.com]

were those late model Jettas with the latest body style?

[minia]

I think they were 99's or 01's....

[Dins]

i have acctually never heard of anything liek that happening, wonder how that car was treated. but if you want alot of car for money, bmw has the best ratio i think

[shade]

BMW is an absolutely horrible ratio of car for money.

[Kanism]

who gives a damn about ratios...the bm is a sweet ass piece of machinery that drives like a dream! I'm happy to own one....now, who's up for helping me pay for insurance and maintenance?

[xboxfever.com]

Originally posted by shade
BMW is an absolutely horrible ratio of car for money.


The only people who say that are those who can't afford one ;)

[Evilspeaks]

I would love a 1966 shelby (mustang) - or a Dodge Charger.
One day Ill buy a muscle car so I can stop drooling over everybody elses!

[xboxfever.com]

don't drool on *my*car or I'll beat you up!

[Evilspeaks]

What do you drive?

[xboxfever.com]

Audi A4 turbo quattro :D

[Dins]

go bmw 3 cabrio. that's my future car (1 1/2 months from now)

[shade]

The only people who say that are those who can't afford one
Yeah, I cant afford one. Im a college student. However even when I can afford one, I will not buy it. I would rather retire a millionare at 35 or 40 from saving money. I would take a 350z over any bmw other than maybe an m5 or z8. But if I had to buy one of the three with my own cash, I would rather buy a 350z then drop the 20k+ that I saved in to my retirement fund.

[xboxfever.com]

Now what would be the fun of that??? :D

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by shade
BMW is an absolutely horrible ratio of car for money.

I'm with you on this one Shade.. bimmers are nice, but overpriced for what you get

[xboxfever.com]

what do you drive?

[Nocturnal]

I drive a fourth gen Trans Am, overall very happy with it

[xboxfever.com]

I take it you have extensive driving experience in a BMW?

[Kanism]

Originally posted by Nocturnal
I drive a fourth gen Trans Am, overall very happy with it speaking of overpriced cars....yeah...lemme pay an additional 10K for Camaro with a different hood

[xboxfever.com]

in all fairness, it's a great car if everywhere you're going is a straight line ;)

[Nocturnal]

it does just fine on the curves too..


Originally posted by Kanism
speaking of overpriced cars....yeah...lemme pay an additional 10K for Camaro with a different hood

not quite....;)

[xboxfever.com]

no it doesn't... German cars own the twisties. US cars are built for that silly quarter mile at a time bullshit. It's all about going straight. But that's about it.

If that's your gig, cool. I happen to *like* twisties, and let me tell you this: there is not much better out there than the quattro system when it comes down to enjoying the afore mentioned twisties... :D

[Nocturnal]

it depends on the type of tracks x-box. on short radius turns an "racing" audi is going to do better with it's short wheelbase. On a larger turn a ZO6 is gonna eat it for breakfast. The sterotype that american cars can't handle at all is false, left over from the 70's muscle cars. My car is not a handling giant like the mentioned ZO6 or viper, but with the right suspension setup I can run with most cars. (depending on the track of course)

that said my next car is prob gonna be a TT or S4 (depending on my job offers on graduation :D ) A friend of mine had the lower model TT sweet little car, but he sold it and bought his viper. Fair trade I think

[GM Girlz]

Muscle all the way for me.
Sure i love germen cars they are bulit very well and so are imports..but when it come to the bitter end with raw power i have to choose a domestic car..GM cars of couse are my life.

[xboxfever.com]

Originally posted by Nocturnal
it depends on the type of tracks x-box. on short radius turns an "racing" audi is going to do better with it's short wheelbase. On a larger turn a ZO6 is gonna eat it for breakfast. The sterotype that american cars can't handle at all is false, left over from the 70's muscle cars. My car is not a handling giant like the mentioned ZO6 or viper, but with the right suspension setup I can run with most cars. (depending on the track of course)

that said my next car is prob gonna be a TT or S4 (depending on my job offers on graduation :D ) A friend of mine had the lower model TT sweet little car, but he sold it and bought his viper. Fair trade I think

A Vette that handles better than an Audi has not been invented yet... when's the last time you so a Vette win in a rally event? Hmmm didn't think so...

As for the S4, it's a monster. And with the new body style coming out, you can find them for below $25K used, which is a steal..

I love the TT as well. The new one comes with a V6!!

[xboxfever.com]

Originally posted by GM Girlz
Muscle all the way for me.
Sure i love germen cars they are bulit very well and so are imports..but when it come to the bitter end with raw power i have to choose a domestic car..GM cars of couse are my life.

Good, the point of driving a German car is that not everybody drives one.

We all appreciate your sacrifice :D

[GM Girlz]

Yes i understand that not everyones drives a germen car but then agian........
Not everyone drives..
From what iv seen with VW is that they have become so affordable that anyone and i mean anyone can drive one..

I just wanted to be silly..
sorry Xbox........

PS..........do you play xbox online and if so wanna try a game of mec with me?

[xboxfever.com]

VWs are great cars for the money, although a lot of them are not built in Germany anymore :(

Still beats the crap out of a Honda though...

I do play xbox live, but I have not played Mec yet as I do not own that game... but thanks for the invite! :D

[GM Girlz]

You are very right about the VW's not being bulit in germany anymore they are asmblded in mexico now if im correct.
and the parts...........Hmmmmmmmmm i could go on and on about how cars dont own the specs to the parts they carry..its cheeper for the companys now to get thier parts and cars bulit in other countrys.
VW has fallin into the same hole..sooooooo sad.
and alot of cars today beat the crap out of a honda these days.
*not a honda fan*
iv seen too many on the road and too many stupid people driving them..
but then agian that gose with any car.

Ohhhh your welcome for the invite..
rent the game if you ever get the chance..its quite the battle online..
very popular and lots of regulars..:D

[xboxfever.com]

well don't get me wrong, the Passat and above are still made and built in Germany. The Jetta and below are German parts assembled elsewhere.

They are still kick ass cars though.

[Kanism]

we had a hail storm in dallas a couple months back...my dumb ass was watching a movie when it happened; so, it got hit...had it appraised today for damages...insurance adjuster said it would cost 4K to fix hail damage!!!!

[xboxfever.com]

damn...not covered by the insurance, huh?

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by xboxfever.com
A Vette that handles better than an Audi has not been invented yet... when's the last time you so a Vette win in a rally event? Hmmm didn't think so...

As for the S4, it's a monster. And with the new body style coming out, you can find them for below $25K used, which is a steal..

I love the TT as well. The new one comes with a V6!!

what? so ferrari's and McLarenF1's handle shitty because they can't win on a rally course? you are comparing apples and oranges

[xboxfever.com]

Dude you're comparing a Vette to a Ferrari.. now who's comparing what he shouldn't be?

Bottom line is that a Vette is built to go fast and straight. That's what it does best.

An Audi is built to go fast either straight or in the twisties, either in snow or in good weather, complete with heated seats, an interior that does not look like a GMC pickup truck, and an overall sense of comfort and class that a Vette, even with a $50K+ price tag, is hard pressed to ever be able to match.

If you like going fast and straight all the time, feel free to get a Vette. It's a perfect car for that. And as long as you don't mind the big ole plastic knobs, you'll be pumped with it.

[Nocturnal]

on the average non-rally course a vette will own any audi I know of, your comments on the interior are irelevent to the handling prowress of the car.

watch the Le Mans race sometime, or GT type racing, then you will see that vette's handle very well.

[xboxfever.com]

You are kidding, right?

LeMans and Corvette... beats Audi... need I remind you of the fact that Audi won THREE LeMans titles in a row, 2000, 2001 and 2002? Have you even been to LeMans?

Oh well, this was worth a good laugh to say the least. It's already that...

[Nocturnal]

sorry man, I am done with you. Maybe one day you will look out of your shell and realize how the car world really works. I don't suppose you are aware of the different classes of the Le Mans race.

Anyone who claims a certain car can't handle well because it can't win a rally race is a complete riceboy. I guess Audi's handle better than F1 cars too, considering a F1 couldn't win in a rally race :rolleyes:

[xboxfever.com]

riceboy... there you go again displaying your complete lack of knowledge of the subject at hand.

Just so you know, riceboy applies to people who buy one of those horrible little Japanese cars and beefs them up to pretend they can run with the big boys.

Audis are German cars - not Japanese. Call me SauerKraut Boy if you wish - at least it's accurate...

[Nocturnal]

riceboy can be applied to anyone who has unrealistic ideas about their car or cars in general. It has turned into more of a personality theme than a specific type of driver. So if you see a jetta with a 5ft wing, and 50 stickers that is a riceboy too, (same goes for domestic cars with that crap) I'm not trying to be a dick, and I think you are prob pretty cool in general, but your saying that vette's can't handle is not accurate. Check out this years Le Mans results, the Audi cars are in the top class, purpose built race cars. And good for them, they won, I like Audis alot. The different classes aren't meant to compete with each other, they have different weight and power restrictions. The vette is a modified off the shelf vehicle, not built for that particular race. But considering this was a off year for the vette teams they did pretty well. 24th in a field of almost 60. Beating out numerous porche's, ferraris, TVRs etc.

Le Mans site (http://www.lemans.org/2003/24auto/pages/classements_gb.shtml)

[Unregistered]

Had to jump in on this here.

You are a COMPLETE fool if you think ANY factory Audi will take a z06 in ANY form of racing. (I don't consider rally in this because you arent gonna put a stock audi on a rally course, just like you arent gonna put a Vette on one.)

The c5 vette will beat any audi (yes that means s4) on a auto-x track, 1/4 track, circle track, road track etc etc. The S4 has gotten a .83 on the skidpad, compared to a c5 with a .92. And this isn't even the z06 which has run and beaten the awd turbo porsches in events to test handling, braking, 1/4 etc.

Comparing a z06 to an audi in any aspect of performance and saying the audi will stay close, is idiotic.

[xboxfever.com]

http://www.ppihc.com

Audi's in the records... nope, no Vettes... sorry.

[GM Girlz]

Alright i hve to step in for a sec...
please dont bite my head off.
diffrent cars for diffrent climates, diffrent cars for diffrent types of raceing..

[firehawk]

xbox is a tool. What an idiot. You must know a lot about audi's but clearly you know sht about other cars.

[Kanism]

Originally posted by firehawk
xbox is a tool. What an idiot. You must know a lot about audi's but clearly you know sht about other cars. no retard, xbox is a gaming console...a pretty good one from what I hear.

[xboxfever.com]

Originally posted by firehawk
xbox is a tool. What an idiot. You must know a lot about audi's but clearly you know sht about other cars.


Yeah, what an asshole that guy is... listen here punk. Register, then insult members. That's how it works, coward.

I know enough about cars to know that a Vette is not the ultimate racing machine, I'll tell you that much.

[xboxfever.com]

1. thanks for registering.
2. thanks for posting your opinion.
3. Audi is not a glorified VW. They just happen to belong to the same corporation.
4. So does Lambo by the way.
5. I live in the North East. That means that half the year, your precious Vette seats in the garage. Why? Cause it can't handle in the snow. My A4 on the other hand...

[mw02]

Originally posted by xboxfever.com
1. thanks for registering.
2. thanks for posting your opinion.
3. Audi is not a glorified VW. They just happen to belong to the same corporation.
4. So does Lambo by the way.
5. I live in the North East. That means that half the year, your precious Vette seats in the garage. Why? Cause it can't handle in the snow. My A4 on the other hand...

So instead of your pointless arguements about performance where you are clearly wrong, you resort to talking about how a car can handle is the snow?

Thats good, because I'm sure everywhere you go you participate in "snow racing." :rolleyes:

[xboxfever.com]

Well, I never was in favor of comparing Audis and Vettes in the first place.

I see Vettes as fun cars if you live a quarter mile at a time.
I see my Audi as a fantastic all around car and value if you are after a sporty, classy, luxurious, practical, all weather car...

Tell you what: if people want to drive Vettes because they think that it's the best car in the world, so be it. I still don't agree with them but it's fine.

[mw02]

I don't consider a Vette the "best car in the world." It is far from that.

But comparing it to an Audi is like comparing a Taurus Wagon to a Viper. Audi's aren't built to compete with Vettes and THEY DONT!

[xboxfever.com]

I think that it was my point in the previous posts. Vettes don't compete with Audis either for that matter, which is also a point I have been trying to make in previous posts...

[xboxfever.com]

Some people just don't get it... oh well, at least now you're gone. The world is a bette place, once again...

[GM Girlz]

xbox i do understand what you are saying by far.
vetts dont compair to a audi..
But listen to some of the other points being made.
Yes they are a germen company, and yes they where bulit for the climates in germeny and the roads, but so are all other cars that are bulit in this world.
This is the way i see it, every car has its own pros and cons, the audi is a boat even with the new design its a boat.
How it is able to handle some of the curves in germany i dont know!
but any car with a few upgrades and modifed engin, suspenion will be able to handle just about anything on any road or in any country.

[anjroo11688]

Vipers are definitely the nicest kind of cars.

[xboxfever.com]

Originally posted by GM Girlz
xbox i do understand what you are saying by far.
vetts dont compair to a audi..
But listen to some of the other points being made.
Yes they are a germen company, and yes they where bulit for the climates in germeny and the roads, but so are all other cars that are bulit in this world.
This is the way i see it, every car has its own pros and cons, the audi is a boat even with the new design its a boat.
How it is able to handle some of the curves in germany i dont know!
but any car with a few upgrades and modifed engin, suspenion will be able to handle just about anything on any road or in any country.


Somebody who likes GM filth and calls an Audi a boat is the biggest joke in this entire site. Thanks for the laughter.

[GM Girlz]

Dont take it personaly xbox...
you like audie's soooooooooo im guessing that you own one and pay way too much for a boat..
now if your gonna pay out that kind of money sweety then buy a carver 40 footer and go crusing.
As far as it gose for GM cars, that it what i like.
Just the same as you like audi's.
They are big cars man, admit it..
:rolleyes:

[xboxfever.com]

I sure do own an Audi. Do I pay too much for it? That's for me to decide. I can afford it, so I guess that's the bottom line. Would I buy a GM instead of a German car? Sorry, I don't live in a trailer, so the answer is no.

A GM and a german import are not worth comparing, just as fine dingin and KFC are not worth comparing.

So while you will be eating out of a bucket, I will be enjoying wine from a crystal glass and silverware that is actually made of silver - not plastic.

To each their own. But calling an Audi a boat tells me two things:

1. you've never driven one.
2. you're getting stupider by the post.

My advice? Quit while you're ahead...

[GM Girlz]

NO actualy i wont stop...just for you.
i have drivin an audi and thats why i call it a boat..
just like my chrysler interped its a boat..
And mmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm mmmmmmm that chicken is sure damm good..but as for the trailer comment im sorry sweety i dont own one never seen one nor do i plan to live in one.
See xbox this is what i see.

1) Your a sonb.
2) You take things a bit too personaly.
3) Relax!!!


lets just stick to the topic here o.k?
i never put down a audi but as you admited you do pay too much for it.

see i will own 2,3,4 cars at a time and all will beat or match your audi..

im sorry hon but understanding of cars comes naturaly to me, to you on the other hand you are one way visioned.
And i truly feel sorry for you. Anyone can lease a car and pay too much for it and call it thier own untill the 3rd year comes up and you either pay for it or you go and get your stink ass into another car that will suck the money out of your pocket..

So buy yourself a car stop sipping on that 7 dollar bottle of wine that you call class and its not a crystal glass.......:p

[xboxfever.com]

1. I am neither your sweetie nor your hon. I would not think that low.
2. I own that Audi out right. I do not lease. This may amaze you but some of us actually make some money in this world. And by that I mean some serious cash. Keep on rebuilding your little lawnmower engines, and one day you too will be able to afford a real car.
3. I am not a sonb. A snob, maybe, but definitely not a sonb.
4. If being a snob is enjoying what is great in life and disregarding what is only mediocre, then count me in in the ranks of the snobs.
5. You don't understand cars if you think that a GM is a great car, that an Audi and a Chrysler can be compared, and if you insist on calling one of the best cars on the market a boat. A Buick is a boat. An Oldsmobile is a boat. A Cavalier is a piece of shit. An Audi, a BMW, a Porsche, now that's art.
6. I am relaxed. Thanks for being all concerned about my well being.

[GM Girlz]

Im so glad you got that out of you..
Ahhhhhhhh you just dont get it do you?
Well i will go back to rebulding my cars if thats what i was doing but im not!
Creating yes!
See i make serious cash so i know what its like.
i also have to pay insurance and i dont like that with my chrysler or the Acura MDX i own... makes you think dosent it know!
Yes i own what you would consider a real car unlike my piece of shit cavalier...but to me its a creation that wins at shows and races.......

blaghhhhhhhhhhhhh:p

[xboxfever.com]

I sure hope you are as good under a hood as you pretend to be, because your spelling is actually getting more mediocre by the post , and that's saying something.

Acura? So you drive an overpriced Honda and you give me shit for "paying too much" for an Audi?

One of these days, you'll have to decide to make sense before you post and save us all some time...

[Dins]

also have to pay insurance and i dont like that with my chrysler or the Acura MDX i own... makes you think dosent it know!


Not two great cars to own. I'd rather own an audi than three american and asian cars.

But maybe you have misspelled the Acura MDX and ment Acura NSX, that would be a nice car. But costs $90.000, too. So I don't think you own that car.

[GM Girlz]

NO its a MDX and xbox for you to go back and resort to my spelling ooooohh you reall dont have a leg to stand on anymore with this subject.
And it is spelt ACURA MDX maybe you dont have that where you are from ....
look it up.
Can i ask you a question xbox?
are you germen by any chance?

[Dins]

if you would know anything about acuras, than you would know that the acura NSX is a nice sports car. but by telling me that you think i am an idiot by saying that you might have misspelled MDX, which would have been to your advantage, you clearly do not know as much as you think you do.

and learn how to spell, seriously.

[xboxfever.com]

Nope, I am not German. I just know common sense when I see it.

As for my calling you out on your spelling, it has more to do with the fact that your posts are getting increasingly hard to read than any thing else...

[GM Girlz]

THEN DONT RESPOND TO THEM..
it was 11pm last night xbox when i was debating with you so sorry for the typo's..
i work around computers most of the day along with cars, so my typos may get a bit out of hand closer to bed time..

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by xboxfever.com
I sure hope you are as good under a hood as you pretend to be, because your spelling is actually getting more mediocre by the post , and that's saying something.

Acura? So you drive an overpriced Honda and you give me shit for "paying too much" for an Audi?

One of these days, you'll have to decide to make sense before you post and save us all some time...

1. Please tell my why your A4 isn't just an overpriced VW? Same body and drivetrain basically.

2. A4's are nice little cars but I hardly think that in the car world they qualify as "high dining"

3. Most audis are on the small side so I am not sure why GMgirl calls them boats,

[Dins]

http://www.audi.com/com/en/home.jsp

I just don't see how audis are small cars.
have you ever seen one??

[xboxfever.com]

The argument that an Audi is an overpriced VW is as old as it is stupid. VAG also owns Lambo, does it mean that my Audi is a wicked cheap Lambo, then?

And by the way, a Passat is still a much better car than a Cavalier will ever be...

[Nocturnal]

I would tend to agree about the cavaleir, but you can't acuse one car of being an overpriced version of something else, when all companies do it.

You pay for the upper model's looks, comfort features and resale value.


From your logic you could say that a cavaleir is a cheap lotus. Considering GM owns lotus.

But you can only really compare cars which share the same body and driveline ie

Ford-Lincoln caprice-towncar Expedition-Navigator
Chevy-Pontiac-Cadillac camaro-firebird Tahoe-Escalade
Honda-Acura civic-mdx
Toytota-Lexus Camry-GS300
VW-Audi Passat-A4

[xboxfever.com]

true... that's probably why I always loved the Passat and always thought that it was a lot of car for the money. Actually I almost bought one. The only reason why I went for the Audi at the time was the Quattro system. VW has a similar system - called 4Motion - but it is so rare here in the US that a 4Motion Passat cost more money than a Quattro A4!

[Kanism]

I saw this a bit up...but didn't follow the rest of the thread because my mind went numb from all the arguing going on...

there is an Acura MDX...it is their mid-size SUV...a very nice one, might I add...it's handles like a car and has good acceleration...my sis has one :)

the Acura NSX is a bad ass sports coupe that is long over due for a body re-styling...still one of my top "wish list" cars

I have a BMW; my friends have Audi, VW, Mercedes, Acura, and Lexus...all of which I would pick any day of the week over a domestic car...not being anti-American...just knowing what cars suit my needs best.

[xboxfever.com]

My point of view on the matter is clear. The bottom line is that there are enough wonderful German cars for me not to worry about buying anything from either Asia or America. German works for me all the time.

I took a spin in a used 1981 Porsche 911S today. Only 50K miles on it, black on black, a beauty. They want $20K for it, and I might just have to go ahead and bring her home :D

[LS1]

Xboxfever, I am not ragging on you for your personal preference of German cars over American cars but your claims on the Audi S4 being superior to the Z06 in any imaginable area of performance(don't bring up any little sissy creature comforts like a comfy interior because for a true performance enthusiast, PERFORMANCE COMES FIRST!) are lacking any kind of supporting evidence. Sorry I just can't take your word for it.
These statistics I am about to write come from the supercar comparison article in the latest edition of Motor Trend magazine(I hate to be a magazine racer but you leave me no choice) which cover most areas of performance for the Z06.

2003 Corvette Z06

0-60
4.29 seconds

Quarter Mile
12.44 seconds

60-0
105 Feet

0-100-0
13.92 seconds

Standing Mile
31.8 seconds @162MPH

100-0
292 feet

600 foot Slalom
70.4 MPH

Top Speed
174 MPH

Now XBOX, I challenge you to find the statistics for the Audi S4(THE PRODUCTION CAR! SO DON'T BOTHER POSTING SOME CRAP ABOUT SOME RALLY EDITION BULLSHIT!) which prove it to be superior in at least one or more of the same areas of performance which Motor Trend tested the Z06 for, and make sure that the statistics come from some official source so no posting links to audi fanboy websites or message boards. But trust me, you won't.

[xboxfever.com]

Once again, I am not interested in comparing the Z06 - at $50K+ - with an S4, which costs $40.

One is a two door coupe, the other is a 4 door sports sedan.
One is made to fast and straight, the other is made to be versatile.
One stays parked when it snows, the other is a year-round wonder.

THere just is no point.

But at the end of the day, I *still* would choose the S4 over the Vette because it is *overall* a better car for me. Period.

[LS1]

are you blind? Those staistics prove the Z06 to be a world class performer in every imaginable area of performance including straight line speed and handling. You claimed the Z06 to be good only for straight line acceleration and pulled out the trite "domestics can't handle" stereotype and so far this claim of yours has been nothing but a leap of faith. Either back up your shit or shut the fuck up.

[xboxfever.com]

It's a free country asswipe. I can say whatever the fuck I want regardless of what you think. And what I have been saying is that where I live, using a Z06 is a 5 month a year deal at best.

I am not blind. I have sat inside a Corvette, and I have seen double wides that looked better -- then again, that's the same targeted demographics.

[LS1]

cars are not pieces of furniture. You whine about interiors more than a bitch. Anyways, you obviously don't know how to back up any of the shit you said about the Corvette not being able to handle as well as the S4 so I am through with you. The only thing an S4 will outperform a Z06 in is chasing pigs around in the mud down in Texas. Oh, and as for not being able to use a Z06 for the snow, thats no big deal since most of us with high performance rear wheel drive domestic V8's usually have some sort of beater to drive around during the winter.

[xboxfever.com]

I whine more than a bitch, huh? Wow, what a great line! How could I possibly have something to say back to that! I am stumped! Clearly your logic is superior... NOT!

All you can do is name call because at the end of the day, if you *need* another car to drive around half the year, it means that your car is not as versatile as you say it is.

And if you want to spend $50K on a car that looks like the inside of a Chevy Malibu, be my guest. The rest of us will be happy living in opulence.

[LS1]

I didn't ask you about the fucking interior I asked you to back up the shit you said earlier about the Z06 being good only for straight line acceleration and how the S4 is a superior car in terms of handling. Can you back this shit up? I am not going to ask you again.
When you buy a brand new car with performance numbers similar to the corvette Z06, normally you would expect to pay over 100 thousand dollars so of course the interior is not going to be that luxurious, but the interior is functional and comfortable enough. You can't criticize a car for not achieving something it was not intended to achieve, the corvette could've been built with a nicer interior but if that were the case the car would have been more expensive and it certainly wouldn't have sold as well considering the majority of people who buy corvettes value performance and prestige over butt warmers and rear leg room.
The Audi S4 was in no way intended to compete with the Corvette Z06, it is not in the same league it isn't even in the same genre so you insisting that it has superior handling without having a single source of information to back this up is complete and utter bullshit. The Z06 offers as much performance as you can possibly get in the new car market for just 50 grand, so if interiors mean that much to you and you still want Z06 like performance then you should save up an additional 70 thousand dollars for a 120 thousand dollar Porsche 911 Turbo....
Well actually even the 911 Turbo isn't quite as quick nor handles quite as well as a corvette Z06 but at least you got a comfy interior right? I would rather have a Z06, it's not because I'm cheap, it's because I don't give a flying fuck about interiors.
Cheap performance is what every performance enthusiast seeks yet you keep on making it out to be a bad thing in the case of the Z06 just because it has some cheesy interior plastics.
Would I pay 50 thousand dollars for a car that has an interior similar to a Chevy Malibu? Well if that car could outperform a Ferrari 360 Modena, an CL55AMG, a Porsche 911 turbo and ESPECIALLY a wimpy little Audi S4(which even my car could beat) then 50K would be a steal!

[xboxfever.com]

Good for you. Get your little Vette then... not that I give a fuck what kind of white trash shit you want to drive. I still think that an S4 with the Quattro system is much better at handling in the twisties than your Vette will ever be.

[LS1]

do you also think the Audi S4 will outhandle a Lamborghini Murcielago and a Ferrari 575 Maranello? Because according to the same test where I got those performance statistics for the Z06, the Z06 outhandled both of them.
And a world class performer spawning over 50 years of heritage like a Z06 which has seen nothing but success throughout it's long life establishing itself among the ranks of the fastest street legal cars in production today is far from being white trash...what is it you drive again?

[xboxfever.com]

It's a white trash wet dream. All those guys that park fucked up Camaros in their front yard... you get the pic.


I happen to drive an Audi...

[LS1]

you've run out of fuel and have resorted to just pulling out the same trite insults and stereotypes that haven't been funny for years. I should suggest you STOP having strong opinions regarding subjects you know little to nothing about, get your head out of your ass and learn when to give credit where it's due.

[minia]

OMG would you just STFU?? You are right, though...it isn't white trash....it is white trash with money. Fucking Vettes are every Camaro-drivin, mulleted, trailer-living bastards dream. They get them if they write a good Country song....So he likes an Audi!! Sounds like he has taste. And like anyone actually races a Vette, any motherfucker who has one never takes it out enough to know how to drive it. BTW what do YOU drive?? I mean in reality when you aren't wackin off to a pic of a Chevrolet...:rolleyes:

[LS1]

You can't call an Audi a piece of shit because it is slower than other cars in the price range for the same reason you can't accuse a camaro of being a piece of shit because it's interior isn't as nice as other cars in the price range.
The camaro does what it intends to do and for a low 13 second car that cost under 30 thousand dollars, the interior is about as good as it's going to get.
The camaro isn't a piece of shit, it just isn't your kind of car, I wouldn't pay 40 plus thousand dollars on a car just so I can get the same kinda comfort on the road that my Lazy-boy gives me at home but that doesn't mean that particular car is a piece of shit either.
A piece of shit would be a car that fails to accomplish what it intends to do. For example, the new Honda Civic Si was intended to rank high on the power per dollar ratio but it ended up being bested by every other car in the under 20K sport compact car genre which rendered it practically useless. The camaro does what it was set out to do and about this mumbo-jumbo about the camaro being a redneck car is for the most part false, true you might see 89 6 cylinder camaro RS's in front of trailers but a 27 thousand dollar brand new LS1 or a nicely restored classic camaro in front of a trailer park? No fucking way!

[LS1]

FACT:When a car is as fast as a camaro, unless it cost 50 thousand plus dollars it WILL have a cheap interior.

You may find this hard to swallow but I could give two shits about the quality of ANY car's interior, being a performance enthusiast I value performance before ANYTHING else, and if people want to treat cars like pieces of furniture(like you do) then thats up to them but you CAN'T bash a car for something it was not marketed to achieve. The camaros interior is not the best, but believe it or not it certainly isn't the worst either.
One rule is that the more mass produced a car is, the cheaper it's interior is going to be. Take the Honda Civic for example, it is an economy rated car therefore being the most mass produced of any other category of automobile, and having experienced being the passenger of several Honda Civics, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole interior cost about 200 dollars to make.
Once again, I am not trying to glorify the interior of the camaro as it certainly isn't high quality either but if you think about how much performance it offers at such a low price, GM really did the best job they could.
Give me an example of a car which offers superior ergonomics, has similar performance and still cost under 30 grand while brand new and then we'll talk.


__________________

[minia]

It is so funny you try to sound all hardcore..." I don't care about comforts, I just want performance," like you will ever race. I am sure if you did you would love the felling of your ass going numb as a Skyline makes you look as pathetic as you are...

[LS1]

typical ricer reflexively bringing up cars which he doesn't stand a snowflakes chance in Hell of owning(Nissan Skyline). It's kind of hypocritcal that you mention a car that has an interior which is every bit as cheap looking as the camaros, cost 90 thousand dollars and isn't even sold in the USA, frankly I couldn't give two shits about them. Perhaps you injured your tail bone or something prior to riding in a camaro but I have never felt uncomfortable driving my car and I have driven it for several hours at a time on a few occasions such as when I visit the mountains.

[minia]

Son, when your best friend owns a performance shop I would count that as a good chance of importing one if I was so inclined. And you still haven't said what you drive... The interior of a Skyline is significantly better looking than your puddle jumping POS. Any fuckin construction worker with credit can buy a fucking Camaro and buzz it around town. Don't act like they aren't as WT as you are. Oh, BTW I am not a "ricer" so what's really funny is that someone who is so naive when it comes to cars would know you are full of shit....

[LS1]

Is the interior of my SS expensive? no it isnt is the interior of the Skyline expensive NO!

Somehow somebody started rumors of the quality of the interiors for a camaro vs a Skyline. this is bull they say teh camaro's interior is cheap and the Skyline's is not. this is the most assanine statement ever made in these car arguments. first let me say that not even the 140k porsche 911TT has an expensive interior. its all plastic. the interior quality of a camaro is NO!!!!! different that a Skylines THIS IS A FACT!!!. now if we are talking about interior design then that is TOTALLY different and then that itself is supjective because it now depends on personal taste and opinion. the only cars with high quality interiors, are the ferrari F50-, diablo,bently and rolls royce even the Mclaren has a cheap lightweight composite interior and thats a million dollar vehicle!

Here is a pics of the Skyline's interior and I want you to point out specifically what makes it significantly better than a camaros interior...http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/339000-339999/339944_15_full.jpg

[LS1]

oh and you really shouldn't compare a Skyline to a camaro. For the price of a Nissan Skyline I could buy a 2003 Dodge Viper which runs high 11's and corners like you wish the best import could.
And by your redneck mentality I guess that means all import drivers are slanted eyed gooks who work on the rice fields during the days and sell underage girls to child molesters at night.

[minia]

Did I say expensive?? I said better....specifically it doesn't look like a hick's wet dream. A Skyline look sliek a performance vehicle...ya know like what you are trying to make your POS out to be. If you are going to sacrifice comfort for performance at least get a car worth it...

[LS1]

looks are entirely subjective to opinion so you can't state anything as fact when you're talking about how a car looks. Still, if you ask me I think a Nissan Skyline looks like a modern day Chevy Impala with an extra 300 pounds of plastic glued on it's exterior.

[minia]

Originally posted by LS1
oh and you really shouldn't compare a Skyline to a camaro. For the price of a Nissan Skyline I could buy a 2003 Dodge Viper which runs high 11's and corners like you wish the best import could.
And by your redneck mentality I guess that means all import drivers are slanted eyed gooks who work on the rice fields during the days and sell underage girls to child molesters at night.

OMG a fucking Skyline can take a Hybuza (sp?) much less your little Viper (once again a WT POS's dream). And when you live in Texas I think I can sy what the hicks drive jackass...I just have to visit your cousin who BTW says she misses your dick in her ass.

[LS1]

if you're saying a Skyline straight from the factory can take a Hayabusa then you're full of shit. I know what you're talking about and I too have seen the video where that Skyline takes the Hayabusa but was that Skyline stock? Not by a LONG shot. You can't compare heavily modified imports to stock domestics. It's like apples and oranges and one fact that has never been compromised throughout the decades is that wherever there is a fast import there will ALWAYS be a faster domestic. Go ahead and show me a 9 second skyline and I will show you a 7 second camaro.

[minia]

Originally posted by LS1
looks are entirely subjective to opinion so you can't state anything as fact when you're talking about how a car looks. Still, if you ask me I think a Nissan Skyline looks like a modern day Chevy Impala with an extra 300 pounds of plastic glued on it's exterior.

Your opinion of all things Chevy is subjective as well so you just invalidated your whole argument. Whatever you may think a Skyline looks like it still kicks major ass....

[minia]

YOU CAN"T SHOW ME A 7 SEC CAMARO! You are so full of shit. And now you want to hide behind your little mods argument. Your domestic POS NEEDS a mod or 2 so why not help it out?

[LS1]

Did I state my opinion of the Skyline as fact, NO! And who cares if some tuner managed to get a Skyline to beat a Hayabusa, in it's factory form the Skyline will run mid 13's which is about equal to a modern day F-body all at about 3 times the price if we're referring to Motorex which is one of the only companies that imports the Nissan Skyline to the states. With enough money virtually ANYTHING can be built to beat a Hayabusa so you're reference to that video is completely irrelevent. Answer me this though, are there any 9 second, 50 state street legal Nissan Skylines in existance today that include a factory warranty and can run on pump gas like a Lingenfelter 427 TT corvette(that cost just slightly more than a motorex Skyline BTW)

[LS1]

oh I can't huh? Here I'll show you several...http://www.f-body.org/timeslips/index.cfm?region=3

[LS1]

http://www.hotrod.com/eventcoverage/47038/

Check out that above link too. Plus the camaro as well as all of the other cars in that article are street legal.

[Pmp02]

skylines suck!!!

[minia]

Originally posted by LS1
Did I state my opinion of the Skyline as fact, NO! And who cares if some tuner managed to get a Skyline to beat a Hayabusa, in it's factory form the Skyline will run mid 13's which is about equal to a modern day F-body all at about 3 times the price if we're referring to Motorex which is one of the only companies that imports the Nissan Skyline to the states. With enough money virtually ANYTHING can be built to beat a Hayabusa so you're reference to that video is completely irrelevent. Answer me this though, are there any 9 second, 50 state street legal Nissan Skylines in existance today that include a factory warranty and can run on pump gas like a Lingenfelter 427 TT corvette(that cost just slightly more than a motorex Skyline BTW)

First of all you forgot your ?, is someone a little aggitated?? Arguing with a 21 year-old nonracer getting the old blood pressure up?? So NOW money is a question, huh? It wasn't when you wanted to bring up Vipers and whatever other high priced poster car you could think of.....try to stay focused- You like WT pieces of shit and would rather try to get ass revving your engine in a Camaro than drive a car that makes you look like you didn't grow up in a trailer park...

[minia]

Originally posted by LS1
oh I can't huh? Here I'll show you several...http://www.f-body.org/timeslips/index.cfm?region=3

Hey dumbass, you are still didn't show me a 7 sec CAMARO!

[LS1]

a bit hypocritcal for somebody who tries to compare a 90 thousand dollar Skyline to a 27 thousand dollar CamaroSS.
BTW, here are some more of those "nonexistant" 7 second camaros...well actually these are 6 second camaros.

http://www.nhra.com/2001/events/race14/results/fmfc.html

As I already said, wherever there is a fast import there will always be a faster domestic.

[LS1]

A Pontiac Firebird and a Chevrolet Camaro(F-bodies) are essentially the same.

[minia]

Originally posted by LS1
a bit hypocritcal for somebody who tries to compare a 90 thousand dollar Skyline to a 27 thousand dollar CamaroSS.
BTW, here are some more of those "nonexistant" 7 second camaros...well actually these are 6 second camaros.

http://www.nhra.com/2001/events/race14/results/fmfc.html

As I already said, wherever there is a fast import there will always be a faster domestic.

God, you are thick! YOU were the one that brought up price! Or can't you remember back that far??

[Pmp02]

my truck runs a 7.025

[LS1]

I brought up the price because you for some reason thought it would be fair to compare a 90 thousand dollar car to a 27 thousand dollar CamaroSS. In all fairness it should be mentioned that for 90 grand, any vehicle which is classified as a performance car that only runs mid 13's is downright pathetic. For that kind of money I would expect to have at least 500 horsepower and be running high 11's which I would be with a 2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 plus I would still have 10 thousand dollars left over.

[LS1]

or screw that, even the 50 thousand dollar Z06 would rape a Nissan Skyline in every category imaginable. When it comes to bang for your buck, nothing and I put heavy emphasis on NOTHING beats American muscle.

[Pmp02]

my truck whooped a camaroSS last week. And then i beat a 2003 viper it was tough but i had him the whole way.

[LS1]

I don't believe you but I'll play along for the sake of amusement. What kind of truck do you drive and what are it's modifcations?
If your truck is running 7's then you wouldn't have had any trouble whatsoever beating a Viper. Even a half second difference is considered significant at the track.

[Pmp02]

i gave him a head start

[LS1]

oooohhhh, I see.

[minia]

I said Camaros are what rednecks drive until they can get a Vette. YOU compared the Camaro to the Skyline when I said it would fuck your Vette. The point is you are still a product of your mom and her brother and just because a Skyline is modded doesn't mean it isn't still respectable.
Oh, yeah.. my Blazer S-10 took a vette the other day and his 11 sec couldn't compare to my 7.9....

[GM Girlz]

LOL LOL LOL this thred is still going?
ahh mina how do you know your blazer is 7.9?
did you test it out at a track..
i wonder how it is a v6 or is yours a V8 with all the usless weight could sit there and be a 7.9 sec car?
i mean com on girl..........
but im just asking a questing..

[minia]

GM I was totally kidding!!! Me and Pimp02 have been having too much fun...

[LS1]

by your mentality, anyone who cannot afford a car over 30 thousand dollars is a redneck. Would it make any difference if they decided to buy a BMW 325 or a Mercedes Sports Coupe instead? Just face the facts, not everybody wants these kinds of cars since now everybody cares about the factors they excel at. Just for the same reason why not everybody wants a mustang or a camaro since they could care less about their redeeming qualities. If you have 30 thousand dollars and want lots of space and at least semi luxury then get a Cadillac CTS or a BMW 325...if you want a lot of performance but can't go over 30 grand then what the FUCK is wrong with choosing a camaro? The LS1 is the most powerful engine you can find in a new car for under 30 thousand and although the camaro was discontinued, the LS1 will eventually find it's way into the 2004 Pontiac GTO later this year which Bob Lutz assures us will be faster than the modern day F-bodies, have a nicer interior and still cost under 30 grand. This is one of the reasons I will be trading my SS in for one later this year.

[Pmp02]

'55 chevy, i have it on the trailer because i dont want to put miles on it so i only drive it when i race. pretty nice huh...

[Pmp02]

this is the interior

[Pmp02]

tires

[Pmp02]

and the bad ass engine!!!

[GM Girlz]

Opps mina my bad i just looked over all the rest of the convos that are going on since i last was on.......
hmmmmmmmmmm
anywho nothing to say anymore..........

*shuts mouth and remindes herself to read all the posts first..."

[minia]

LS1 you have some reading comprehension problems.....NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT PRICE, jackass, all I said is that you like trashy cars. I reiterate- You like trashy cars. Period. Anyone who doesn't live in the "mountains" or Colorado realizes that buzzing around in some loud ass Domestic makes you look bourgeois and crass. Sorry, can't help you if you don't want to change....

[minia]

Originally posted by GM Girlz
Opps mina my bad i just looked over all the rest of the convos that are going on since i last was on.......
hmmmmmmmmmm
anywho nothing to say anymore..........

*shuts mouth and remindes herself to read all the posts first..."

Dude, don't worry about it....

[GM Girlz]

you've got to love cars..
cars anykind of car being bulit today is made to be affordable for almost anyone.. including the BMW and its series.. its fuckin called leasing............
but to get to the point trial and error is how cars get to the great performance that most cars have today.
they are bulit in mass orders cheep and so this is what makes cars affordable..
But also alot of cars do posses good engins and great handling.

i Just wanted to put that in although it dosent matter.

[LS1]

camaros don't buzz you iddiot, they roar. Ever heard the sound of a WS6 with an SLP widemouth exhaust? Why don't you explain to me why the camaro is trashy exactly? Is it because it is the fastest car you can buy for under 30 grand? Is it because it can run low 13's and still achieve 28 miles per gallon on the highway? Is it because with simple suspension mods it can pull off over 0.94G on the skidpad? Is it because it's stock tranny can handle over 600 horsepower meaning that a bolt on like a supercharger could be installed with no additional modifications? Don't criticize things you don't know nothing about, have you ever worked on the LS1 before, do you have enough experience to warrant the audacity you have to call the camaro "trashy?" No, you don't know shit! So shut the fuck up and learn how to give credit where it's due.

[LS1]

anyways, you're not worth a second more of my time, I have to go to work and by the time I get back I'll check to see if anything you said is worth replying to.

[minia]

Oh, my bad...THEY ROAR! You are so funny. At least I can spell IDIOT.....jackass. heehee I will never give anyone any credit for driving a wtmobile. They should make those things with tobacco can holders.....Good luck getting ass from Elly May! I've heard she only gives it up for guys with dicks...

[minia]

Originally posted by LS1
anyways, you're not worth a second more of my time, I have to go to work and by the time I get back I'll check to see if anything you said is worth replying to.

AHAHA you are SO mad, huh? A little sensitive about your substitute for manhood? Only a dumbass gets his kicks from his "roaring" car...... Don't bother replying. It's Harley Week in Austin so I'll get my redneck kick when I go out tonight. I bet you wear leather chaps doncha?? Makes your crotch look bigger, right?? Good for you!!

[xboxfever.com]

Camaro: yet another car built to go straight, but can't take a turn at the speeds it's advertised at without falling off the road. Redneck heaven it is...

[minia]

Well the trailer park driveway doesn't have any turns....

[Nocturnal]

well a 4th gen camaro will out handle your A4 any day of the week on pavement. Who the fuck cares if you can race in the mud/snow wow that really is usefull.


Minia-

I guess you are right, anyone who doesn't see the need to pay an extra 20k for a woodgrain dash that they can stroke every night must be white trash :rolleyes:


And stock skylines aren't fast at all really, don't give me that shit that a skyline can beat a busa, not without a serious money investment. And I'm sure the guys that do heavily modify skylines do it because they like how the Radio knobs feel on their hands.

oh yeah, and if you live in a town that has a "harley" week, how in the hell can you call anyone else white trash?

[minia]

OK, Austin doesn't officially put on "Harley week," they just show up on one of their many stops. Regardless if you knew anything about Austin you would realize what an ass you just made of yourself. Once again, if you like Camaros and such HOORAY FOR YOU! As long as you are ok with looking like an inbred you should be fine. Ah yes, the Mod argument again....yall really aren't very smart are you? If a Camaro didn't have all the shit it has it would basically be a Cavelier so what's your point?? And I'm pretty sure the people who like such cars (Skylines) like them because they are fun and don't cast aspersions on your family line....and for you slow people I just called you inbred white trash again....

[xboxfever.com]

Originally posted by Nocturnal
I guess you are right, anyone who doesn't see the need to pay an extra 20k for a woodgrain dash that they can stroke every night must be white trash



Just figured I'd remind you that the $20k bring you a whole lot more than just woodgrain... you know, real leather seats - not dog skin - heated seats, too, and power everything, and HID lights, and real rims, not wal mart covers for your hubcaps, and engines that actually drive for 100,000 of miles, and no noise in the car from the outside, nice German brakes like Zimmerman rotors, and the list goes on...


At the end of the day, this is the bottom line to me: I love my German car. That's good, because I am the one paying for it. You love your domestic car. That's fine, because you are the one making the payments on it. We are not going to convince each other that our car is better than yours. We can have a pissing contest. We can measure dick size. We can even insult each other via posts.

But here is the kicker: take a bunch of random people on the street and ask them the following question: "I am giving you a car today, no strings attached. Brand new, car of your choice, between a German sport sedan with all the bells and whistles, or a Chevy Camaro."

Now guess which one people will choose most of the time?

[Dark Lord]

My favorite muscle cars are the 1964 GTO, 1972 Camaro SS, and almost any year Shelby Mustang.


Save America, Say NO to imports!!

[xboxfever.com]

Dark Lord, remember that:

1. America was built by imports ;)
2. Isolationist economic policies always fail...

Wanna save America? Make America build *better* cars...

[Nocturnal]

Xbox-

anyone offered a choice of 2 free cars will obviously take the more expensive one. And the camaro prob has way more power than the average person is looking for. If you want to talk about which cars the masses prefer you prob should look at total sales. I don't care what most people would pick, most people are not car enthusiasts. Why should the pick of a soccer mom influence which car I want to play around in?


Minia-

You don't know shit about cars so I suggest you shut your mouth. I was comparing the cars in their stock form, if a skyline didn't have any mods it would basically be an eclipse right? You are a pathetic ricer. Xbox may be a bit mixed up on certain things but at least he has some class. You on the other hand..... are severely lacking in that category.

[minia]

Nocturnal, first of all no one gives a shit about your bitch ass.
Secondly, I have said over and over I am not a car enthusiast and yet you still become quite perturbed over my opinions, quite interesting.
Third, you are still trashy.
Fourth, I reserve class and respect for those who are deserving. They, unlike you, actually take effort to debate with.
Guys as fun as talking to people like you is, it has lost its luster. IMO the cars you like are trashy ans so are you. That's all there is to it. You can bitch all you want about mods, and performance, and 7 sec Camaros (which by the way are modded) but at the end of the day you are still trash, and I am pretty sure you'll continue to be that way. If being honest and telling you what trash yopu are means I don't have class then that is just too bad.
If it walks liek trash and talks like trash, it must be trash....

[xboxfever.com]

Speaking of cars, this might be of interest:

New rant uploaded for FU TV available HERE AND NOW (www.angermismanagement.com/futv.htm) :D

Enjoy...

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by minia
Nocturnal, first of all no one gives a shit about your bitch ass.
Secondly, I have said over and over I am not a car enthusiast and yet you still become quite perturbed over my opinions, quite interesting.



why are you in the car forum then dumbass?

[minia]

Cuase I can go where the fuck I please, fucktard...

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by minia
Cuase I can go where the fuck I please, fucktard... :rolleyes:

[Kanism]

Originally posted by Nocturnal
why are you in the car forum then dumbass? what difference does it make where the hell she goes, fucktard?!?!? the forum title is "Cars"...not "Area Specifically for Geeks that Spend All Day Dreaming About Cars They WILL NEVER OWN"...I don't know minia personally, but I'm willing to bet money on the fact that she OWNS a car and therefore has knowledge of cars....

[Nocturnal]

well idiot I am sure she has a computer, and most likely that computer has some version of flash on it. But would you expect to see her in the flash section flaming people on their usage of layers and movieclips?

So STFU Kanism you spineless, idiotic piece of shit. Go fuck your mother, oh wait you are too busy spending all your time being a cool guy Moderator on a humor forum.

[minia]

I do not have opinions on flash. I do, however, still think you are the product of your mother and Uncle's drunken after-Prom party....sucks about that whole inbreeding defects thing, huh?

Kane- Don't even worry about this frustrated virgin....he only has his Camaro dreams to keep him company....oh,yeah and his sister's panties. Gotta keep the family tradition going.

[Nocturnal]

Good one minia, you are soo good at this. I suppose I am shot down by your witty and intelligent flame. Once again I say who is the one here that lives in a Hillbilly state eh? Texas? please and your calling me whitetrash. But anyway, you don't like me and I don't like you. That is fine I can handle that we can flame and call each other names all day.

But when this douchebag Kanism jumps in and spams the post for no reason that actually pisses me off. Great internet etiquete for a Mod to follow, spaming posts, good job Kane ol boy. Whats next, why not start deleting posts of people you don't like?

[minia]

That's the thing, though....all you can say is that I come form Texas, which is one of the largest states and certainly one of the most diverse. By saying I am a hillbilly for being Texan proves how ignorant you are of Texas, which you have probably never been to. I call you wt because without fail every person I know that likes Camaros or Vettes is a fuckin trailerpark motherfucker. Without fail. Fords are about the same, maybe a little better. So when I say you are trashy for liking some loud ass, tacky car I can do so without reserve because in all likelyhood I am right. Now you came into this discussion blazing away, talking about stock this and 20K for woodgrain that. YOU butted into LS1 and I bitching at each other so don't bitch at Kanism for expressing his distaste for your person.

[Nocturnal]

well actually if you bothered to actually read the thread I have been having a discussion with X-box for most of the pages. So when he and Ls1 were arguing and you happened to be in that argument you get included in it. Does that make sense? I used as many small words as possible.

So I suppose your choice in cars makes you a wannabe snob. You know one of those types that buys a cheap german car and constantly talks about how much better their car is than anyone else's. When the reality is that you are simply driving a german cavaleir. Look how cool I am, my car has a different hood ornament than 50% of everyone else around me. Yeah that's right, I can afford to buy the lowest model offered by my brand of choice. I don't care if it is a an economy car dressed up a bit and marked up even more. The point is how cool I am because it has a german sounding name. I have this huge superiority complex that causes me to belittle others because I feel so bad on the inside. My daddy molested my sister, why wasn't I good enough to molest. why daddy why, and definately the type that simply has to buy those deisgner imposter handbags and perfumes. please please think I am so rich and euro.

You sure are quick to bring out the whole WT thing, ever hear that saying I think thee protests too much? Maybe calling other people white trash is a way to disguise your roots? Hmm maybe if I call them white trash they won't think about the fact that my parents couldn't afford a real double wide, the extra wheels were just too much money.

I was trying to have a civil discussion on cars, people have preferences and we were arguing said preferences and disputing performance claims. But I suppose name calling is much better. Fine, I enjoy that as well.

[minia]

Awww, did you get a little miffed cause someone doesn't like you?
When did I say I like German cars?? When did I say the car must be expensive for me to like it? It is fun to see how far you'll go to make me look like a snob to move the focus from your POS preferences. I, for one, prefer SUVs. A nice 4runner will do me just fine. It is not overly expensive and they last forever if you take good care of them. And must I remind you that it was not I that began the rudeness? You started the shit talking so don't bitch about name calling now.
And way to not realize what the hell I said. I merely pointed out that you are a hypocritical bastard for bitching at Kane when you jumped in as well, regardless of your previous posts.
If you have anything worthwhile to say, then I suggest you say it. Bitching will only get more sarcasm from me and frankly I have used up all the time I have for talking to fucktards for this week. It is clear I don't like your preferences and you will do nothing to make me think otherwise. Go on! Like cars that come with a free Mullet coupon, I hope all the toothless girls who aspire to grace the stage of Jerry Springer find your loud ass sexy and one day you'll have little Bubbas running around everywhere.

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by minia
A nice 4runner will do me just fine. It is not overly expensive and they last forever if you take good care of them. And must I remind you that it was not I that began the rudeness? You started the shit talking so don't bitch about name calling now.


Originally posted by minia
OMG would you just STFU?? You are right, though...it isn't white trash....it is white trash with money. Fucking Vettes are every Camaro-drivin, mulleted, trailer-living bastards dream. They get them if they write a good Country song....So he likes an Audi!! Sounds like he has taste. And like anyone actually races a Vette, any motherfucker who has one never takes it out enough to know how to drive it. BTW what do YOU drive?? I mean in reality when you aren't wackin off to a pic of a Chevrolet...:rolleyes:

wow look your first post in this thread yeah I guess I started the rudeness :rolleyes:

I could give a shit less if someone here or anywhere doesn't like me, my point is I come here for intelligent conversations, not mindless cliches.

[minia]

Originally posted by Nocturnal
wow look your first post in this thread yeah I guess I started the rudeness :rolleyes: Wasn't talking to you so your argument is null

I could give a shit less if someone here or anywhere doesn't like me, my point is I come here for intelligent conversations, not mindless cliches.

Too bad you are one.

[Nocturnal]

I'm done talking to you, have a nice life if you can. Just don't change dear, continue being a nasty bitch.

[04STi]

Back to the topic(btw, I hope all threads here are not like this)
I like imports better. Subaru WRX baby!

[Kanism]

best reason for owning a BMW?!?! people like this love them!!!!

BMW Girl! (http://www.rand0m.org/images/bimmer/sign1.jpg)

[GM Girlz]

LOL i cant belive my eyes!:eek:
this thred is still going on and strong too.

anywho..........keep the debate going..

[rockin roll]

i said muscle cuz when u hit the gas it goes and they sound alot better then imports

[reptilian_storm]

i said muscle cuz when u hit the gas it goes and they sound alot better then imports

Will you shut the fuck up.....this thread is like a year old, who gives a shit about it anymore... :confused:

And how old are you? 12?

You pick muscle because they "sound" better. Better than what, better than a ferrari V8, Bugatti V12, W16?.......muscle cars just aint sound proofed much when they have has their ass tuned up.

Quit bringing up dead theads fuck tard.

[pat99872]

Will you shut the fuck up.....this thread is like a year old, who gives a shit about it anymore... :confused:

And how old are you? 12?

You pick muscle because they "sound" better. Better than what, better than a ferrari V8, Bugatti V12, W16?.......muscle cars just aint sound proofed much when they have has their ass tuned up.

Quit bringing up dead theads fuck tard.
amen ;)

im suprised this fucker isnt banned yet

[Boostedpimp]

"has the handling of a Porsche"... but not the finish, the ferociousness, nor the overall quality. No thanks... if I am going to spend $35K+, it won't be for a Nissan...


I agree with this.. if I have 35k to put out for a car, Im not lookin towards any nissan that's for sure.

[T0626N]

Well imports and domestics have their strengths and weaknesses....domestics such as the viper and vette are cool kick ass cars and japan offers imports like the supra, skyline, 300ZX, RX7, etc etc that are actually fast, unlike hondas.

rofl ... rock on dude i hate Honda's

[T0626N]

So I suppose your choice in cars makes you a wannabe snob. You know one of those types that buys a cheap german car and constantly talks about how much better their car is than anyone else's. When the reality is that you are simply driving a german cavaleir. Look how cool I am, my car has a different hood ornament than 50% of everyone else around me. Yeah that's right, I can afford to buy the lowest model offered by my brand of choice. I don't care if it is a an economy car dressed up a bit and marked up even more. The point is how cool I am because it has a german sounding name. I have this huge superiority complex that causes me to belittle others because I feel so bad on the inside. My daddy molested my sister, why wasn't I good enough to molest. why daddy why, and definately the type that simply has to buy those deisgner imposter handbags and perfumes. please please think I am so rich and euro.

lmao your hilarious too. I gotta agree with that, german cars are good but they are certainly not the best out there. Considering the recent styling changes Chris Bangle made to BMW's and the issue of shady quality being built into the new Mercerdes. I'd say japanese cars are gaining the edge in the luxury category.

[Forceflow]

im tottally a sucker for german cars. exeptional build quality, practical, and fast. with the exeption of mercedes that has gone to shit since it has assosiated itself with daimler chrysler.

Japanese cars are good but they are just too bland most of them. build quality is good and everything its just... hmm

im not sure how to put it but the fact is you can wrap your mercedes, audi, porsche around a tree get out within the minute and call a pick up truck. In a japanese car you're lucky if you dont need to visit the operation room. Thats the main difference between the two.

American cars from my experiance are just nothing but trouble. build quality, engineering, dependability are all sub average. now i reconize that yes most muscle cars do excel in the "bang for your buck" area, but not much else in my opinion.

American motor sport history and even today is evidently the leader in a straight line and I'll hand it to them they do a good job of that. but I'm not interested in 0-60 because in the end the little toyota corolla and the loyal volkswagon bus and the awsome dodge uber fast viper are all going to be cruising down the highway at the same speed and law inforcement will make sure of that (ideally).

[T0626N]

Japanese cars are safe... trut me. My friend was out one night cruising in his friends' parents brand new Lexus LS 430. Beautiful car but idiot driver. He went through this road named Woodview. Woodview is a very old and narrow two lane road surrounded by tall tree's with two very sharp turns at the end (or beginning depending on where you start). They were carving up that road at 80 mph. The idiot driver decided to show off his driving skills but unfortunaly they didn't make it around one of the very sharp turns and slammed into a huge tree at 80 mph. They had absolutely no time to stop or slow down. Amazingly my friend only had a broken knee (not perminent tho) and the idiot driver only had a few bruises and minor concussions. The car was totalled but the fireman said they were lucky to be in that car because normaly 80 mph collisions result in fatal injuries and death.

[Forceflow]

I worked for a software company in germany and my boss was absolutly crazy. he had a porsche 911 turbo and thats his fourth!!!!

this guy is insane, on the autobahn he averages around 310 km/h and he crashed his porsche 3 times. the last one(was probably the worst and stupidest) he was comming off a ramp from the autobahn like 200 km/h started braking got down to 100 and slammed right into a PIZZARIA wall lol.

this guy crashed a porsche into a pizzaria. he is accually insane, and i can't imagine his insurance rate.

anyways point being he got out of that porsche without a scratch picked up his 400 dollar cell phone and called a taxi and tow company to take away his car.

well, he didnt get a signal and so he threw his cellphone against the concrete wall he crashed into and ruin his "favorite cell phone" suprisingly that was what he was so angry about HIS PHONE lol at work he was tottally pissed and explaining to everyone why he loved that phone :rolleyes:

[Chex Mix Gnome]

What about imported muscle? The 350z has 287 HP and 274 lbs of torque... compare that to the 2000 series mustang GT which has 260 hp with 320 lbs of torque. Then take in to account weight...

I always a huge domestic muscle fan. They always had the best bang for buck. I thought imported cars (asian, bmw, and mercedes) were wastes of money. And I still do in general, but the 350z is the exception. A japanese car that has american type muscle, while still being n/a, weighing less, and has the handling of a porsche.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT

The new GT's put out 260 and 300, they are also a 4.6L V8. That 350Z has less torque than horsepower and it's a V6. It's not even close to being a muscle car.

[Insultacious]

imported muscle is an oxymoron.

[Barrett]

No japanese car has american style muscle, none at all. I'd take any american muscle car over a 350z any day

[Angryredneck]

im tottally a sucker for german cars. exeptional build quality, practical, and fast. with the exeption of mercedes that has gone to shit since it has assosiated itself with daimler chrysler.



You would like to think that wouldn't you lol. Face it, no matter who owns them, they have had problems for over a decade. And I don't think the country of origin has anything to do with safety, it's how you hit in the crash. There are too many different models and trim levels to name one country that makes the safest cars, damn talk about generalizing. And I won't even go into your USA/straight line Import/Curve bullshit. It's not the 1960s anymore, and even then there isn't a difference in gap when it comes to the number of makers who have good handling cars. Face it, USA is one country, Imports are basically all the others......of course you will find more "handling" cars when you consider about 3 other countries or more in the comparison. If you don't care about speed because of speed limits, why the fuck would you care about handling if you can't do that on public roads either? It's pretty fucking dangerous to take blind corners fast, don't you think? Wreckless driving perhaps? My friend and his teg that handles so well crashed about 4 times so far because he uses his "handling" on back roads....... :rolleyes:

[Angryredneck]

Camaro: yet another car built to go straight, but can't take a turn at the speeds it's advertised at without falling off the road. Redneck heaven it is...


Tell me why they place so well in SCCA events with BMWs, Audis, Vettes, and other Jap cars eh? Solid axles with a good suspension setups can do well on flat, well maintained roads. They're predictable, unlike IRS, which in the hands of a shithead driver, can cost some dearly. Check out the standings every now and then.......

[Boostedpimp]

That's the thing, though....all you can say is that I come form Texas, which is one of the largest states and certainly one of the most diverse. By saying I am a hillbilly for being Texan proves how ignorant you are of Texas, which you have probably never been to. I call you wt because without fail every person I know that likes Camaros or Vettes is a fuckin trailerpark motherfucker. Without fail. Fords are about the same, maybe a little better.

That was an ignorant post if I've ever seen one. Im not trying to take sides but I've owned a few mustangs and been around alot of camaros and half to say you don't know shit. Maybe around your town or state, trashy people own those vehicles but it's not like that everywhere girl so don't hate on everyene for owning a camaro, firebird, mustang or any god dam car. That is just a stupid thing to do which is odd because from your post you seem educated so you should be able to see where im coming from this post. Not to pick on you or start more gay flaming shit. But just to let you know that if you see tons of trash in your neighborhood with camaros and shit.. move and don't concider everyone trash for having loud exhaust etc..