Poltergeist?

[fantasticpants2]

Alright, it could have easily been fake. put a few strings here or there and flick a few lights. But still, the effect of the video as a whole had a considerably creepy feel. It was somewhat convincing at best.

discuss?

[paranoia]

I just watched it, prolly fake but still creepy.

[xPsychox]

scared me :(

[diddley]

Stupid. All you would need is one other person on the other side of the room standing holding two fishing lines. One is attached to the picture frame, the other wound around the lamp casing underneath the fan and attached to the bowl. On cue, the dude pulls the strings. Then all you need is a clumsy oaf with a camera who can huff and puff and shuffle out of the room like he's scared.
This has got to be one of the worst demon-poltergiest videos I've ever seen.

[Dynex]

Stupid. All you would need is one other person on the other side of the room standing holding two fishing lines. One is attached to the picture frame, the other wound around the lamp casing underneath the fan and attached to the bowl. On cue, the dude pulls the strings. Then all you need is a clumsy oaf with a camera who can huff and puff and shuffle out of the room like he's scared.
This has got to be one of the worst demon-poltergiest videos I've ever seen.
kiss my black ass

[A550RGY]

A well done, fake. Fake, because he prematurely panned down to the teacup before it even moved, revealing his anticpation. But well done, because it creeped me out initially.

(Also, the opening shot of the camera being pulled out of the camera bag was just a little too "neat".)

[fantasticpants2]

Stupid. All you would need is one other person on the other side of the room standing holding two fishing lines. One is attached to the picture frame, the other wound around the lamp casing underneath the fan and attached to the bowl. On cue, the dude pulls the strings. Then all you need is a clumsy oaf with a camera who can huff and puff and shuffle out of the room like he's scared.
This has got to be one of the worst demon-poltergiest videos I've ever seen.

as i said, could have easily been fake

[NTR]

maybe it's real and he just got lucky in his camera's aim?

[DIsbe]

Its 100 % fake. What gives it away is the camera guy starts to pan to the bowl on the table before it even does anything. Hmmmm, wonder how he knew to do that.

[diddley]

kiss my black ass
Only if stop talking out of it.

[puppetmasterjjk]

100% fake, what gives it away is the floating teacup, because teacups dont float.

[DarcSystems]

It's actually fake because Poltergeists are camera shy. If the kid knew that, he would know not to film this with a camera, and find some other means.

[puppetmasterjjk]

i would film it with a shoe

[Refuse]

This has got to be one of the worst demon-poltergiest videos I've ever seen.


Could you perhaps show us better?
Perhaps those of you who keep stating how easy this is to do could make one of your own? No really, I'll be waiting patiently...lol
I think its fake, but then I'm not going to claim I could do better.

[Guns R Cool]

If I was a ghost and could move objects then I would be doing what Kevin Bacon did in the Hallow Man.

[Orangejesus]

fake, because poltergiests aren't fucking real you assholes.

[TravisK]

If I were a ghost I would be a bit more creative. I would hide people's car keys for all eternity.


But really, this was just dumb. Being open minded about this kind of stuff just makes you a tard.

[Refuse]

If I were a ghost I would be a bit more creative. I would hide people's car keys for all eternity.


But really, this was just dumb. Being open minded about this kind of stuff just makes you a tard.



Wow... hiding car keys. You are the man...
You're also right about the open minded things. Much better to be closed minded and just assume that everythings already been discovered and proven.

[Orangejesus]

If You Worship Me And Give Me Money Then You Will Go To Heaven With All The Corned Beef Hash You Can Eat.

Be Open Minded.

[LDS-1968]

this is obviously a fake because kevin bacon doesn't drink tea.

[toadstool]

If it is real then the poltergeist must b female cause apparantly women r very good at multi taskin!

[toadstool]

if u look again there is somethin attached to the light switch!!! do't know wot it is but u dont put that on ur fan!!!

[D-roc]

I believe it could be true. poltergiests are real because i have experienced one in my lifetime.

[navid]

i dont care if it was fake; it was filmed short and quick, and it was freaky. good one

[phat_nipple]

this is obviously a fake because kevin bacon doesn't drink tea.

hahahahaha, what?

[runt262]

If I was a ghost and could move objects then I would be doing what Kevin Bacon did in the Hallow Man.


speaking of kevin bacon, he was one of my answers on an exam i just wrote. kevin bacon has nothing to do with my exam.

[Just Spurplin]

speaking of kevin bacon, he was one of my answers on an exam i just wrote. kevin bacon has nothing to do with my exam.
I could connect him to your exam in 4 moves. I kick ass at 6 Degress of Kevin Bacon.

People were creeped out by this? I couldnt help but laugh. Not trying to sound like a hard ass or anything, i just thought it was a funny attempt to show a poltergesit. The first shot is of the lights turning on and off.... OH NOOOOESSS!!!!

Plus, as mentioned, he went to the tea cup before it did anything.

Not to mention his breathing, that was just funny. So fucking loud, you would have to run miles or be the most out of shape fat ass in the world to breathe like that. And his quiet pants of "Ohh.... oh shi.... wha.... whas tha.... oh fuck....."

[Red]

I like how his breathing sounds like it's cut from The Blair Witch Project

[Dobby]

Its 100 % fake. What gives it away is the camera guy starts to pan to the bowl on the table before it even does anything. Hmmmm, wonder how he knew to do that.

You can hear the bowl bang down on the table before he pans to it. Watch/listen again.

[clowd71]

One of the most obvious signs is that he films his feet in motion running away. I used to make these kind of fake horror films and I could never inadvertantly film my own feet running, I would always need to make extra sure the camera was pointed in exactly the right direction evevn if it was just for a second. Think about it. When you're genuinley running away do you point the camera straight down? No, it's off to the side.

[lakerskobe]

hahahahaha, what?


i believe he is referring to kevin baccons career...its dead

[Army_in_Iraq]

I guess if I went to his house and flipped his lights off and on he'd start crying. Amazing what some string and a moron with a camera can achieve

[diddley]

I think its fake, but then I'm not going to claim I could do better.

I never claimed I could do better. I have much better ways to spend my time than rigging a fake ass poltergeist gimmick just to prove that you don't need a poltergeist to fake a video - because it is already clearly proved by the aforementioned fake ass video.

[diddley]

Much better to be closed minded and just assume that everythings already been discovered and proven.

Denying the existence of evil spirits who have nothing better to do than toss teacups around in front of 13-year-old kiddies is a far cry from assuming everything has already been discovered. On the contrary, one is more likely to find enjoyment out of discovering new things if they stick to the natural world instead of relying on supernatural "evidence" that is based on faith that something which cannot be proven exists.

[bottlecap]

this is obviously a fake because kevin bacon doesn't drink tea.

And Ice-T doesn't eat bacon.

I think.

[diddley]

And Ice-T doesn't eat bacon.

Seriously...he had a flirtation with Islam a few years back, and swore off all pork products. Actually, I don't know if that's still the case...the info is a couple of years old:

http://www.cnn.com/archive/news/ent/2002_06_04.html

It's just kinda weird that the Bacon/Tea reference would be made like that. Maybe the thread is haunted by the same poltergeist.

Cat Stevens, who wrote the album Tea for the Tillerman, went Islam. But when he wrote his first album he was still regular. He went Islam and now he can't fly on planes. Although I am sure he still likes to drink tea. he certainly wouldn't eat bacon, that's for sure....

[GenralisimoHanz]

Yeah it's obviously real, cos' you know, if I was a ghost I would go around shaking things and turnings lights on/off...

[gforce]

heres one thats even worse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IspbTyupXoE

what really makes the video horrible is the guy sounds like he is cumming all over the place at the end. "HOUUGRHHHHHHHHGUHHHHAARGGGGGGGGGGGH AHH GEEZE!!!!!!!!"

[Refuse]

I never claimed I could do better. I have much better ways to spend my time than rigging a fake ass poltergeist gimmick just to prove that you don't need a poltergeist to fake a video - because it is already clearly proved by the aforementioned fake ass video.


Come on...don't give me that. You were gettin all into it with the fishing line here, a buddy standing there...you weren't trying to state how easy it was? I guess it was my fault for thinking that implied you could possibly do better....lol
Faking a poltergeist is not a hard thing to do, its the outcome that matters. Having it done without looking fake as hell. You said it was the worst you've ever seen. Why don't you provide us with a better one?


Denying the existence of evil spirits who have nothing better to do than toss teacups around in front of 13-year-old kiddies is a far cry from assuming everything has already been discovered. On the contrary, one is more likely to find enjoyment out of discovering new things if they stick to the natural world instead of relying on supernatural "evidence" that is based on faith that something which cannot be proven exists.

Who said anything about evil spirits?
And why do you people think ghosts and spirits have so much to do? I'm so tired of hearing "Nothing better to do." They're dead...I doubt there are many conventions and fullfilling hobbies in the afterlife.

One is more likely to find enjoyment wherever the desire. If it's in the study of parapsychology then so be it. Just because you don't believe and there is no concrete proof as of yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Even so, what would be so "unnatural" about ghosts? Do you think the theory is that the great Ghost Fairy drops them off on earth on her way to work? No, most paranormal theorists, when it comes to ghosts, believe they are the residual energies left over after people die. People dying isn't unnatural...so why would ghosts be unnatural? Not everything has been proven in a day...

Do you think good ole Chris Columbus would have believed in the microwave?

[thegnome54]

I believe he meant that you should stick to trying to learn about things that ACTUALLY EXIST instead of archaic crackpot notions of 'residual energies' and pseudoscientific claims of poltergeist sightings. We don't know shit about the deep ocean, why don't we spend more time investigating that, instead of listening to a bunch of driveling fools babble about spirits and stupid shit like that.

[TravisK]

Yeah, no kidding gnome. It's amazing how gullible people are. I'm thinking about taking up a career in pseudoscience to sell my snake oil to help prevent leprosy. Or sell horse jizz to clear up acne (refuse can collect it.)

[dropofahat]

Yeah, no kidding gnome. It's amazing how gullible people are. I'm thinking about taking up a career in pseudoscience to sell my snake oil to help prevent leprosy. Or sell horse jizz to clear up acne (refuse can collect it.)
Gnome and Travis - you ever check out James Randi's website?

http://www.randi.org/

He is known as a "debunker", but that's not really what he calls himself. His main point is that there is simply no actual solid "proof" of these kinds of things. (The "proof" is usually anecdotal stories, or fuzzy pictures, or video taken under less-than-scientific conditions.) Should sufficient proof present itself, fine, then it (whatever) is real.

And when it comes to spoonbenders and other "psychics", he always suggests you have a magician on hand when you test these people, because a magician knows what trickery to look for. (Uri Geller embarassed himself on the Carson show once, because they brought out things that Geller couldn't rig ahead of time, based in part on instructions from Randi.)

Surprisingly, Randi says that a lot of people (like dowsers, who look for water with sticks) aren't trying to fool anyone, they actually believe they have these powers. And when they are tested and fail, most will go right on believing they have powers. The occasional one, however, will realize they were fooling themselves, and have a breakthough...

[i91crxsi]

whoever thinks this is real needs to do the world a favor and get a job as a janitor or as a fast food employee

[diddley]

Just because you don't believe and there is no concrete proof as of yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You are using false logic: "X and Y are dependent (where X is proof of paranormal activity and Y is the existence of ghosts/spirits/whatever). By the absence of X we can conclude that Y may exist." Once you look at it that way, you see how illogical your reasoning is. Here is what I believe: by the absence of X I have no reason to believe in the existence of Y, and until there is X, I will not believe in Y.


Do you think good ole Chris Columbus would have believed in the microwave?

He certainly wouldn't believe in it if it was merely alluded to. For example, a person takes a pie, shows it to Christopher Columbus, then hides it and puts it in an oven. Later he takes it out, shows it to Christopher Columbus, and explains how it was made using a thing they call a "microwave."

You see, there is no logical connection between cups pulled into the air, recorded on a low-quality video, placed on the internet, and then touted as evidence for the existence of ghosts/spirits. Why is there no connection? Because there is no proof of the existence of ghosts/spirits. And by there being no proof i am not claiming that they cannot physically exist, I am merely stating that I have no logical obligation to believe in them without proof.
I do not take pride in believing things that are hard to believe.

[dropofahat]

...there is no proof of the existence of ghosts/spirits. And by there being no proof i am not claiming that they cannot physically exist, I am merely stating that I have no logical obligation to believe in them without proof.

You're exactly right.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

The burden of proof is on the claimant to prove "X"'s existence, not on the "disbeliver" to prove it's non-existence.

One cannot prove a negative.

[Refuse]

I believe he meant that you should stick to trying to learn about things that ACTUALLY EXIST instead of archaic crackpot notions of 'residual energies' and pseudoscientific claims of poltergeist sightings. We don't know shit about the deep ocean, why don't we spend more time investigating that, instead of listening to a bunch of driveling fools babble about spirits and stupid shit like that.

Because nobody on this planet knows for a fact that spirits don't actually exist. Sure you have your cynics and your skeptics, but anyone who claims to know for a fact is full of it.

Where would we be if we gave up on the unexplained and stuck to what we know? Besides...how is "believing in ghosts" a crackpot notion? Is believing humans have a spirit that goes to heaven or hell a crackpot notion? No, of course not...

My point is, nobody knows what happens once you die. Many believe that's it, nothing more and many believe something carries on. I hardly think that makes them a driveling fool.



Yeah, no kidding gnome. It's amazing how gullible people are. I'm thinking about taking up a career in pseudoscience to sell my snake oil to help prevent leprosy. Or sell horse jizz to clear up acne (refuse can collect it.)


I don't know if I should be offended by someone who admits to jerking off Mr. Ed...

[puppetmasterjjk]

well i dont see why a spirit would be picking up that bowl with those strings... look closely

[Refuse]

You are using false logic: "X and Y are dependent (where X is proof of paranormal activity and Y is the existence of ghosts/spirits/whatever). By the absence of X we can conclude that Y may exist." Once you look at it that way, you see how illogical your reasoning is. Here is what I believe: by the absence of X I have no reason to believe in the existence of Y, and until there is X, I will not believe in Y.



Your mistake is in that you think I'm arguing how you "should" believe in ghosts. I never said you "should" believe in ghosts. I said your disbelief accompanied by the lack of evidence does not prove ghosts do not exist.

You can disbelieve all you like. I don't blame you.

[DeftonesBoy]

Could you perhaps show us better?
Perhaps those of you who keep stating how easy this is to do could make one of your own? No really, I'll be waiting patiently...lol
I think its fake, but then I'm not going to claim I could do better.
You are such a stupid fuck, you always come into every thread arguing about the most senseless bullshit. Seriously, grow up. Nobody said anything about "doing it better", they just said it was the most fake one they've ever seen. Maybe you could read next time before you try and start an argument over nothing.

[TravisK]

Refuse, when did I say I jerked off Mr. Ed? I was actually saying that you could whack a horse and collect the results to use as an acne treatment.

(I can guarantee I've never typed that before.)

[diddley]

Your mistake is in that you think I'm arguing how you "should" believe in ghosts. I never said you "should" believe in ghosts. I said your disbelief accompanied by the lack of evidence does not prove ghosts do not exist.

I think you've missed the boat here (or the entire fucking battleship). The burden of proof does not rest with me. It rests with everyone else who thinks absence of proof is reason to believe or even have an open mind. I do not have an open mind about ghosts/god/spirits/tooth fairy because there has been no documented, verifiable, repeatable studies of evidence to support any of the claims that have been made over the past thousands of years of modern human history. Once there is proof, I will open my mind. And by the way, your last sentence above makes no sense at all. Just go with it. No hard feelings.

[diddley]

Where would we be if we gave up on the unexplained and stuck to what we know?
A lot closer to finding cures for cancer, real possibilities of populating other planets, sustainable energy supply, etc. The "unexplained" should be reason to fund more pure science, not applied science. The "unexplained" should not impell people to find out how and why 13-year-old boys film theatrical displays of tea cups breaking and lights being switched on and off.

Besides...how is "believing in ghosts" a crackpot notion? Is believing humans have a spirit that goes to heaven or hell a crackpot notion? No, of course not...

You are perfect. Your words have been enshrined the the tomb of idiocy.

[A550RGY]

I do not have an open mind about ghosts/god/spirits/tooth fairy because there has been no documented, verifiable, repeatable studies of evidence to support any of the claims that have been made over the past thousands of years of modern human history.

And with the proliferation of cell phone cameras, we should be getting this evidence any day now. I'll go hold my breath.

[Refuse]

You are such a stupid fuck, you always come into every thread arguing about the most senseless bullshit. Seriously, grow up. Nobody said anything about "doing it better", they just said it was the most fake one they've ever seen. Maybe you could read next time before you try and start an argument over nothing.


Look, if I'm hurtin anyones feelings, just tell me. I figured grown ups could have an argument without taking shit personal...quit crying. I'm easily ignored...all you have to do is scroll past my posts.

Like I'm about to do with TravisK...watch...its easy.

I think you've missed the boat here (or the entire fucking battleship). The burden of proof does not rest with me. It rests with everyone else who thinks absence of proof is reason to believe or even have an open mind. I do not have an open mind about ghosts/god/spirits/tooth fairy because there has been no documented, verifiable, repeatable studies of evidence to support any of the claims that have been made over the past thousands of years of modern human history. Once there is proof, I will open my mind.


No, I just think the message is getting lost over the forum. Its one of those things that's better explained in person....and no hard feelings at all.

I'm not disputing anything you've just said. I fully agree with you 100%. As of yet, there is absolutely no reason to believe in ghosts when judging from the evidence available. There is nothing more than anecdotal testimony from untested events...there's no lie there. I'm not disputing that.



And by the way, your last sentence above makes no sense at all. Just go with it. No hard feelings.

Yes, it does.
Let me reiterate...

Your "disbelif" + "lack of evidence" does not equal proof of inexistance.
Does color coding it help?


A lot closer to finding cures for cancer, real possibilities of populating other planets, sustainable energy supply, etc. The "unexplained" should be reason to fund more pure science, not applied science. The "unexplained" should not impell people to find out how and why 13-year-old boys film theatrical displays of tea cups breaking and lights being switched on and off.


Gimme a break... "exploring" the possibilities of life on the otherside hardly slows down the process for finding a cure for cancer. Is the government wasting tax payers money parapsychology or paranormal study? Do you know something I don't know?

As for why the kid did this...
For the exact reason of what's going on between you and I right now. To create something that stirs conversation.



You are perfect. Your words have been enshrined the the tomb of idiocy.


That was a shit reply...even for you.

[dropofahat]

Your "disbelif" + "lack of evidence" does not equal proof of inexistance.

I don't mean to step into a private argument here (and I'm not even sure you guys disagree, it's kind of hard to tell) BUT...
The problem with your equation, Refuse, is that there is NOTHING that could ever go on the left hand side of your equation that WOULD ever equal "proof of inexistance". You can't prove that something doesn't exist (and as has been pointed out several times, the burden is not on the skeptics to do so), so the entire premise of the equation is faulty. I get what you're saying, and you're not wrong, but...

Is the government wasting tax payers money parapsychology or paranormal study? Do you know something I don't know?

Actually, I belive the American government HAS funded paranormal studies - I'll look it up, but I'm pretty sure the military spent quite a bit of tax dollars looking into "remote viewing" (seeing things without actually being there - which would have TREMENDOUS applications, if only, alas, it existed) before giving up. There may have been other studies, too, I'm not sure. Now I don't really have a problem with that - it would be faulty scientific logic to insist that Remote Viewing doesn't exist BEFORE any tests are conducted (because it is possible that it does exist) - I mean, that's almost as dogmatic as insisting that these things DO exist without proof. But once tests have been done, and remote viewing failed miserably, can we at least accept the fact that it probably doesn't exist? True, failed tests don't prove it's inexistance (nothing can), but they do tend to stop the flow of money for such tests.

I'm not worried about a cure for cancer being overlooked because we're spending too much money & time examining spoonbending - but when these things CAN cause harm is when someone puts faith in occult/"alternative" medicines (and by the way, if they can be shown to actually work, they de facto move from "alternative" to "proven/mainstream"), to the exclusion of "traditional" medicine (i.e., which has a record of working) - people have died because instead of life-saving surgery they decided instead that smoke and hot rocks and laying on of hands would cure them. It didn't.

[Refuse]

I don't mean to step into a private argument here (and I'm not even sure you guys disagree, it's kind of hard to tell) BUT...
The problem with your equation, Refuse, is that there is NOTHING that could ever go on the left hand side of your equation that WOULD ever equal "proof of inexistance". You can't prove that something doesn't exist (and as has been pointed out several times, the burden is not on the skeptics to do so), so the entire premise of the equation is faulty. I get what you're saying, and you're not wrong, but...


You're exactly right as well...
I don't want anyone to think that I'm arguing that since there is nothing "proving it's inexistance" (which, as you pointed out is impossible), then it must exist. I'm not arguing that either.

I guess I'm not explaining myself well enough. Mainly, in a nutshell, I'm arguing the possibility of the the paranormal.



Actually, I belive the American government HAS funded paranormal studies - I'll look it up, but I'm pretty sure the military spent quite a bit of tax dollars looking into "remote viewing" (seeing things without actually being there - which would have TREMENDOUS applications, if only, alas, it existed) before giving up. There may have been other studies, too, I'm not sure. Now I don't really have a problem with that - it would be faulty scientific logic to insist that Remote Viewing doesn't exist BEFORE any tests are conducted (because it is possible that it does exist) - I mean, that's almost as dogmatic as insisting that these things DO exist without proof. But once tests have been done, and remote viewing failed miserably, can we at least accept the fact that it probably doesn't exist? True, failed tests don't prove it's inexistance (nothing can), but they do tend to stop the flow of money for such tests.



No arguments, and yes I 100% agree there's also a possibility the paranormal doesn't exist. That's why I don't blame anyone for not believing.


I'm not worried about a cure for cancer being overlooked because we're spending too much money & time examining spoonbending - but when these things CAN cause harm is when someone puts faith in occult/"alternative" medicines (and by the way, if they can be shown to actually work, they de facto move from "alternative" to "proven/mainstream"), to the exclusion of "traditional" medicine (i.e., which has a record of working) - people have died because instead of life-saving surgery they decided instead that smoke and hot rocks and laying on of hands would cure them. It didn't.


I agree, but I'm not sure why TravisK brought up these crazy concoctions of snake oils and horse jizz. I'm not arguing about physical "ointments" that can easily be tested in a lab...so I'm not sure what he's talking about.

[TravisK]

I'm just talking about pseudoscience here. You were babbling about residual energies and spirits, or whatever. I was saying that my crazy ointments could be sold to people like you.

[mike73]

wtf, why would someone want to buy snake oil and horse jiss. olive oil and human jiss work fine.

[Refuse]

I'm just talking about pseudoscience here. You were babbling about residual energies and spirits, or whatever. I was saying that my crazy ointments could be sold to people like you.


Since I made no mention of believing in placebos concoted by Uncle Bubba in his shed, I don't know how you can make that assumption.

[baduizm1974]

good grief, who knew someone would get so upset about a stupid video on ebaum's world as to start a whole damn string of arguments about it? grow up and get a life!

[firepiss]

Poltergeist and ghosts don't exsist. Duh. So it's fake.

[baduizm1974]

Ok, I must have completely missed this clip and I can't find it in any of the archives. Does anyone know where I can find it?

[firepiss]

Ok, I must have completely missed this clip and I can't find it in any of the archives. Does anyone know where I can find it?

http://ebaumsworld.com/2006/08/poltergeist.html

[Refuse]

good grief, who knew someone would get so upset about a stupid video on ebaum's world as to start a whole damn string of arguments about it? grow up and get a life!



Who said anyone was upset?
This is a forum of anonymous members on the internet. If you take anything in here personal, then you're the one that needs to get a life...lol

[TravisK]

Yeah, stop ruining our fun.

[FonsecaWalls]

fake, but entertaining, so I like it :)

[Lesbian Buttsex]

This was the most real thing ever put on the net. The reality is mind boggling.

[Esmirnow]

Seeing is believing. It is possible that it was faked. It is possible that because we weren't there that the guy filming heard the cup shift or rattle, so he focused on the cup and then it lifted completely. I have seen things I cannot explain and do believe such occurences. The fear in his voice sounds real, but the video is still most probably fake. If it were real he would probably join the forums or something to exploit it and defend it's truth.

[Refuse]

Seeing is believing. It is possible that it was faked. It is possible that because we weren't there that the guy filming heard the cup shift or rattle, so he focused on the cup and then it lifted completely. I have seen things I cannot explain and do believe such occurences. The fear in his voice sounds real, but the video is still most probably fake.


Yep, that's the difference between possibilities and probabilities. Apparently some of these reputable forum slaves can't understand that.

[dropofahat]

Yep, that's the difference between possibilities and probabilities. Apparently some of these reputable forum slaves can't understand that.
I'm not sure anyone in this thread said that "anything paranormal is impossible" (if someone did, then I'm wrong - and so is whoever said it, in my opinion); I think the gist of the skeptics is that there simply isn't enough (or strong enough) evidence to support it at this point (personal anecdotal stories being particularly weak "evidence").

The video in question (the subject of the thread) is another example of lousy "evidence", because it so easily could have been faked (i.e., it wasn't recorded or presented using any type of scientific procedures).

So I think a healthy skeptic allows for the POSSIBILTY of the paranormal, but (as you point out - I think) the PROBABILITY of it actually being real is low (unless new/better evidence comes to light). Don't forget "Occam's Razor" - all other things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually the best (or the right) one. Which is more likely - that this guy rigged some of his dishware and wall art with fishing line; or that he happened to catch an otherworldy spirit in the act (and happened to focus on the cup before it moved)?

[TravisK]

A skeptics point is that until you can provide evidence, there's no reason to assume it's real. But if you can provide evidence that it's fake, then we're going to assume it's fake. Like bending spoons for instance: that douchebag Uri Geller is always on t.v. saying he can bend spoons with his mind, while other magicians bend spoons but don't try to convince anybody it's paranormal. We can logically deduce that Uri Geller is a pig fucker.

[GiveItAway]

I can't believe this debate is even happening.

FAKE

[dropofahat]

A skeptics point is that until you can provide evidence, there's no reason to assume it's real. But if you can provide evidence that it's fake, then we're going to assume it's fake. Like bending spoons for instance: that douchebag Uri Geller is always on t.v. saying he can bend spoons with his mind, while other magicians bend spoons but don't try to convince anybody it's paranormal. We can logically deduce that Uri Geller is a pig fucker.
True, but we also don't assume that it's impossible that Geller's not a pig fucker... I mean, we don't assume that it's impossible to bend a spoon with your mind. We DO, however, sensibly take into account that it can be done with trickery exactly as Geller does it, therefore it is vastly more likely that he is using trickery than he is tapping into some unseen energy.

I suppose in a way we do deny the existence of something lacking proof; but in a way we also allow that it's possible IF sustantial proof were indeed offered.

[Damaris]

I think it's kind of odd that he just happened to have a video camera ready, it was fully charged and everything... what a strange coincidence.

[Refuse]

I'm not sure anyone in this thread said that "anything paranormal is impossible"



No, you're right. I wasn't really thinking of anyone in this thread when I said that. I just wanted to point out theres a difference and I fully agree with your explanation. Well put and I couldn't have said it better myself.


I think it's kind of odd that he just happened to have a video camera ready, it was fully charged and everything... what a strange coincidence.

I have a fully charged video camera sitting about five feet from me at this very moment...

[PimpOfTheWorld]

100% fake, what gives it away is the floating teacup, because teacups dont float.

quoted 'cause I loled.