Joe Torre fired?

[ftbllplr]

There are rumors going around that Steinbrenner wants to fire Torre and hire Lou Piniella as the new manager. I have mixed feelings, personally. He has been a good manager, but with the payroll they had this year, anything less then a World Series apperance would be a failure.
Story here (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2617224).

Discuss.

[a7x1337]

as a yankee fan, i never liked torre. he only won because of the talent around him - as a manager, he's nothing special

[D4MVP]

I loved Torre as a manager, and I always hated the yankees, and i'd like to bash the yankees for this...But I can't, I think they were just in letting him go. I mean Steinbrenner gets 3 all stars every off season, and he hasn't on for 6 years. I think Sparky Anderson and Tony LaRussa would've been fired before Torre as a Yankees manager. Torre was given a lot of chances.

Now If Charlie Manuel would'nt mind fucking off, i'd like Torre to coach my beloved Phils.....

[JerkyMyTurky]

as a yankee fan, i never liked torre. he only won because of the talent around him - as a manager, he's nothing special

Torre won 4 titles for them and 9 straight division titles. The past few years of them not winning is not Torre's fault. The GM is at fault for not fililng up the starting rotation with stars. The superstar/allstar batting lineup does not win championships. You only had to look at the Mariners way back when, when they had Griffey, A-rod, Buhner, T. Martinez, E. Martinez, etc. It's all about pitching and the Yankees pitching was not that good this year. They need to get rid of Randy Johnson, Mussina, Jared Wright, Povano, Lidle, etc. I blame Steinbrenner and Cashman for trying to create an all star offensive team, instead of creating a solid pitching staff. Lou Pinella instead of Torre is not going to change things. I think Torre is gone though. After Don Zimmer and Mel Stotlymeyer leaving, Torre didn't say anything and kept on coaching. I doubt he even wants to stay with this team anymore, the way things are. I also think A. Rodriguez should and will be traded.

[AsHopeDies]

as a yankee fan, i never liked Jeter. he only won because of the talent around him - as a shortstop, he's nothing special

fixed it for you ;)

[Jimothy51]

Joe Torre will be the manager next year officialy. After hitting A-Rod 8th in game 4, it seems like A-Rod might be gone.

[Chewy]

Joe Torre will be the manager next year officialy. After hitting A-Rod 8th in game 4, it seems like A-Rod might be gone.

I'd be ok with that... trade A-Rod and pick some new talented player with the change you have left over… and maybe pick up a small state like Oregon. Who know's that may come in handy.

[Jimothy51]

If they eat a lot of salary, they could trade with the Angels and get Santana or Weaver, Brandon Wood(SS/3B replacement), Nick Adenhart(ace potential, and Chone Figgins(utility man) Just that alone makes up for A-Rod's loss and more. In 3 years if they make that trade and Santana and Adenhart are winning 15 games a year, Wood is hitting 30 hr's, and Figgins is playing everywhere, they could look very smart.

[navid]

he is a good manager. but with the talent he had, comon now.

[AsHopeDies]

Sounds like they are gonna keep Torre. Which I personally think is the right thing to do. No manager can win without pitching.

[2000 civic si]

This is what I don't understand. Why fired someone who leads you into the Playoff's every single year and has given your team 4 titles in 11 years. Money can't always buy you championships, scout new talent and quit trying to get what ever is available. You got all the money in the world so why not put it to good use.

[GNR Fan]

he is a good manager. but with the talent he had, comon now.

haha yeah... the only talent the team had was one hell of a hitting lineup but Tigers pitching shut them down. Good Pitching beats good hitting everytime. What the Yankees need is an allstar starting rotation and have a few good guys in the bullpen then they will win like crazy.

[Chewy]

Sounds like they are gonna keep Torre. Which I personally think is the right thing to do. No manager can win without pitching.I agree pitching needs to be picked up on the yankees for next year.

[sinner78]

what some posters on another forum said...

After watching the portion of the press conference shown on YES and listening to Joe Torre interviewed on Mike & the Mad Dog, I just want to go on record as saying I still believe an opportunity has been missed. The move to Lou Piniella should have been made now. It was time to move on.

Torre is an extremely sympathetic speaker. He knows how to "work a room." This is not to say Joe isn't necessarily being sincere or honest when he speaks. But he's got a way about him and I firmly believe he knows he's got a way about him. If God doesn't grant Joe Torre immediate entry into Heaven, St. Peter will simply wave Joe in anyway after talking with him for five minutes.

For myself, I'm intent on remaining immune from now on about anything that comes out of his mouth. I'm terribly disappointed yet I'll try to be fair over the long winter and throughout next season, but I maintain the right to say "I told you so" when the results end up the same next year. As of now, the Yankees are officially the new Atlanta Braves and deserve to be ridiculed as such.

My biggest beef is that Torre has made absolutly no effort to deviate from the layed-back managerial style he had during the 1996-2001 years. Perhaps he is incapable of doing so. If that's the case, then he should have been replaced. I guess most managers know how to manage only one way which is why moves need to be made by teams on occasion, despite the old baloney about it ultimately being the players fault if teams aren't successful.

Well, the players on the Yankees will go into the 2007 season with business as usual remaining business as usual. Win, lose or draw, you're allowed to go on your merry way as if it's all the same. All Yankee fans out there will have to decide if that is good enough for you going into next year. It isn't good enough for me.

Joe Torre has one more year left on his contract and no extention was brought up, thank God. For what it's worth, Brian Cashman seems intent on grooming Don Mattingly to take over the reins whenever Joe decides to go. Gee, how exciting.

I hate to say this but I look forward next year, when in the throes of an inevitable lousy stretch, the crowd at Yankee Stadium takes up the thrilling chant of "LOU PIN--ELLA!...LOU PIN--ELLA!" I will laugh with glee and I hope it hits deep in the dugout. I hope it hurts.




Y'know, after all the hoopla the past couple of days about how Torre is pretty much a goner, I'm not at all surprised that he kept his job. The sound clip that I heard on the radio about him saying this is the best job he's ever had and greatful to be back for another year just seemed to cliched. Does he even really want to be here? The past couple of seasons when there was speculation about his job security, it seemed like a beaten down man who didn't even care about what his fate was anymore. Today, and his is based purely on the one sound clip I heard, made it seem like he's sticking around not only because the Boss brought him back, but because it's all he's known for the past 11 years.

Personally, I think the Yanks need a change. This is not a knock on Torre by any means. I respect the guy and I know he has the respect of a bunch of the players (at least the ones that have been around). But it seems like he's lost most of them and it's a clubhouse full of mercenaries just hoping that approaching the game in a business-like manner is all that's required to bring home that ring.

In 2000, despite finishing with a record just under 90 wins, they were the last team I wanted to face in the World Series. When everyone asked me who I wanted to play between the Mariners and Yanks, I answered the Mariners without any doubt in my mind. The Yanks were a team back then, and you could tell. Brosius, Tino, Bernie, Jeter, Mo, Clemens, El Duque......they were a team. This? Fantasy baseball at its finest.

I seriously doubt that they're gonna clean house and trade all the big names for prospects and start rebuilding, so the next best thing to do is get rid of the manager, get a new one, and do something to bring this damn team together. Whether it's sitting around a campfire singing kumbaya or going through boot camp drills like the New York Rangers did, do something where they can look at each other in the locker room and not feel any animosity.

[ftbllplr]

… and maybe pick up a small state like Oregon. Who know's that may come in handy.


Hey, Oregon is huge. Like 10th out of all the states. Population wise, though, Oregon=Iowa=dick.

Anyway, I think Torre staying is a good thing. His very recent failure in the playoffs doesn't undo the years if dominance and 4 WS.

[Jim Colyer]

Joe Torre is a fine manager, and Yankee fans welcome him back for his 12th season.