View Full Version : Why did your team fail?
Shorty|*|RocK89
10-09-2006, 12:47 PM
So this is the why di your team fail this year and what do they need to fix?
I will start with the Yankees.I think they focused way too hard on the Offense and making powerful lineups but we all know that pitching wins games and thats something huge that they didn't have.Maybe someone like Barry Zito or Andy Pettitte.About A-rod I really don't know only because I can't think of a good third basemen to replace him.About Joe I really liked him but its been 6 years and that not acceptable and if it wil make them better then do what you gotta do.So the biggest think is all new starting pitching rotation with only a few guys in it from last year.
a7x1337
10-09-2006, 01:40 PM
starting pitching. no question.
cashman should get barry zito, and trade a-rod for someone.
i wouldnt mind soriano back :wah:
Idmir
10-09-2006, 01:57 PM
Orioles:
Why did they fail? - They showed up to the ballpark.
What do they need to do? - They need pitching I guess.
AsHopeDies
10-09-2006, 02:06 PM
Injuries(depth) and starting pitching.
The Red Sox seemed to have all the answers and then the bottom just fell off. You can't win consistently giving up that many runs a game and you need depth to overcome injuries. If they don't fix those things, expect another disappointing season.
DontBottaMe13
10-09-2006, 02:35 PM
trading a-rod would be so dumb he had his worst year of hsi career this year (.290, 36 hr, 121 RBI). Any player in the major leagues would give their left nut to have those numbers on their worst year. And dont say he ddint perform in the playoffs because NO ONE int he yankees line up did either. Anyways yea the yankees failed because their just an all star team with no chemistry and their pitching aside from wang and moose blows cock. Sign zito, sign mussina's option, keep a-rod, release sheffield, release jared wright,KEEP joe torre and find another starting pitcher.
D4MVP
10-09-2006, 02:51 PM
Phillies:
They failed because they were in the same Division as the Mets.
They need better pitching and a veteran slugger or two.
AsHopeDies
10-09-2006, 02:59 PM
trading a-rod would be so dumb he had his worst year of hsi career this year (.290, 36 hr, 121 RBI). Any player in the major leagues would give their left nut to have those numbers on their worst year. And dont say he ddint perform in the playoffs because NO ONE int he yankees line up did either. Anyways yea the yankees failed because their just an all star team with no chemistry and their pitching aside from wang and moose blows cock. Sign zito, sign mussina's option, keep a-rod, release sheffield, release jared wright,KEEP joe torre and find another starting pitcher.
Granted I hate the Yankees, but I think they should dump A-Rod asap. Although I agree with everything you say about his ability etc, it's just very clear that he will not thrive in NY. So, that being said, actually trade him for some pitching. Yeah, that's right Yankees, I said TRADE him. What's a trade you may ask? It's where you give a team one of your players, and they give you a player or players in return. Oddly enough, buying players is not the only way to get them ;)
All kidding aside, trading A-Rod for some really good young pitching would benefit the Yankees a lot. Drop a distraction and pick up something you need. Hell, the Yankees won with Aaron Boone and Scott Fucking Broscious for Christ's sake, you don't need ARod.
a7x1337
10-09-2006, 03:00 PM
Granted I hate the Yankees, but I think they should dump A-Rod asap. Although I agree with everything you say about his ability etc, it's just very clear that he will not thrive in NY. So, that being said, actually trade him for some pitching. Yeah, that's right Yankees, I said TRADE him. What's a trade you may ask? It's where you give a team one of your players, and they give you a player or players in return. Oddly enough, buying players is not the only way to get them ;)
All kidding aside, trading A-Rod for some really good young pitching would benefit the Yankees a lot. Drop a distraction and pick up something you need. Hell, the Yankees won with Aaron Boone and Scott Fucking Broscious for Christ's sake, you don't need ARod.
qft.
a-rod has stats, he doesnt have a winning attitude. stats dont get you very far in NY.
Ace Hippie
10-09-2006, 03:25 PM
Granted I hate the Yankees, but I think they should dump A-Rod asap. Although I agree with everything you say about his ability etc, it's just very clear that he will not thrive in NY.
a-rod has stats, he doesnt have a winning attitude. stats dont get you very far in NY.
ARod in 2005; .321/.421/.610, 124 runs, 48 homers, 130 RBI, 21 SBs. Moved to a new position so Derek "I have Ambition" Jeter could stay at SS, despite being a GG-caliber defender. Oh, and he won the MVP. Clearly, he can never enjoy success in New York.
piggyman18
10-09-2006, 03:31 PM
The Angels failed because Frank Thomas is a fucking cheater.
esruC
10-09-2006, 03:38 PM
Cubs:
Well, they just suck balls
Watusa
10-09-2006, 03:47 PM
Juventus:
Gave away their top class defenders because they became cheating fucks.
Montreal Canadiens:
Not enough funding to buy good players.
CheeseMonkeys
10-09-2006, 03:48 PM
Injuries really hurt the red sox.
atreyu_2020
10-09-2006, 04:04 PM
We signed old hacks and played them half of the season instead of our young guys, and when we finally did play our correct line-up we went over .500 the second half of the season...go figure Tracy.
We also have one of the youngest pitching cores in the league and should only improve.
AsHopeDies
10-09-2006, 04:20 PM
ARod in 2005; .321/.421/.610, 124 runs, 48 homers, 130 RBI, 21 SBs. Moved to a new position so Derek "I have Ambition" Jeter could stay at SS, despite being a GG-caliber defender. Oh, and he won the MVP. Clearly, he can never enjoy success in New York.
I never said he can't have success, or perform well. I very carefully chose the word "thrive." And if you can come back with stats that can backup getting booed every game, having countless journalists questioning your ability and heart, having multiple teammates calling you out feely to the press, and having horrible post season performances as "thriving" then please, by all means, be my guest.
He needs to get out of there more then they need him out of there. He and the team aren't gelling for some reason. So it would benefit all parties for the Yanks to send ARod somewhere else for some pitching.
Ace Hippie
10-09-2006, 04:34 PM
I never said he can't have success, or perform well. I very carefully chose the word "thrive." And if you can come back with stats that can backup getting booed every game, having countless journalists questioning your ability and heart, having multiple teammates calling you out feely to the press, and having horrible post season performances as "thriving" then please, by all means, be my guest.
All of that resulted for three reasons.
First, the press and many fans take a 'what have you done for me lately' approach, and thus forgot all about ARod's MVP season of last year, and decided to focus only on this year. This was unfair because in 2005 he was veritably brilliant and this year wasn't really that bad either.
Second, there's the whole contract situation - he's never going to live that down.
Thirdly, there's the halo-effect of Jeter. Derek Jeter is held up on a pedestal, regardless of what he does on the field - his stats in 2006 are the best he's had since the 1999-2001 period, yet you never hear any criticism of him or his play from the New York fans. ARod has a "Bad" year, in which he still hits 35 homers with 121 RBI and all of sudden the guy can't play any more (his OPS+ of 140 is near his career mark of 145 though, interestingly enough).
Do I think ARod can "thrive" in New York? I'm not sure, but he performed well for any player this year and was the MVP last year. The general perception that he's somehow a nothing player who isn't worth a damn is completely ridiculous. If fans want to find someone to blame, blame the horrid pitching, or Brian Cashman for failing to acquire the arms necessary to backup the lineup.
He needs to get out of there more then they need him out of there. He and the team aren't gelling for some reason. So it would benefit all parties for the Yanks to send ARod somewhere else for some pitching.
I don't think it's ARod's fault, really, but for his sake he's better off being somewhere where a .290/35/121 season isn't treated as if it's horrible. The Yankees haven't won a title since 2000, and I think the complete deterioration of the pitching staff has a large part to play, as well as the steady decline in the ability of the Yankees to find solid bench/part-time type players to fill in the gaps as necessary. Their everyday lineup is tremendous, but Bernie Williams and Melky Cabrera simply aren't what you want filling in due to injuries (Cabrera, at least, is young and will improve, Williams...:rolleyes: )
Jimothy51
10-09-2006, 04:48 PM
Player A: 290/392/523 35HR 121 RBI 140 OPS+
Player B: 290/393/534 36HR 121 RBI 143 OPS+
Player A is A-Rod this year and Player B is Gary Sheffield in 04 when he finished 2nd in the MVP voting.
AsHopeDies
10-09-2006, 04:53 PM
All of that resulted for three reasons.
First, the press and many fans take a 'what have you done for me lately' approach, and thus forgot all about ARod's MVP season of last year, and decided to focus only on this year. This was unfair because in 2005 he was veritably brilliant and this year wasn't really that bad either.
Second, there's the whole contract situation - he's never going to live that down.
Thirdly, there's the halo-effect of Jeter. Derek Jeter is held up on a pedestal, regardless of what he does on the field - his stats in 2006 are the best he's had since the 1999-2001 period, yet you never hear any criticism of him or his play from the New York fans. ARod has a "Bad" year, in which he still hits 35 homers with 121 RBI and all of sudden the guy can't play any more (his OPS+ of 140 is near his career mark of 145 though, interestingly enough).
Do I think ARod can "thrive" in New York? I'm not sure, but he performed well for any player this year and was the MVP last year. The general perception that he's somehow a nothing player who isn't worth a damn is completely ridiculous. If fans want to find someone to blame, blame the horrid pitching, or Brian Cashman for failing to acquire the arms necessary to backup the lineup.
I don't think it's ARod's fault, really, but for his sake he's better off being somewhere where a .290/35/121 season isn't treated as if it's horrible. The Yankees haven't won a title since 2000, and I think the complete deterioration of the pitching staff has a large part to play, as well as the steady decline in the ability of the Yankees to find solid bench/part-time type players to fill in the gaps as necessary. Their everyday lineup is tremendous, but Bernie Williams and Melky Cabrera simply aren't what you want filling in due to injuries (Cabrera, at least, is young and will improve, Williams...:rolleyes: )
Yeah, I agree with everything you are saying, especially what I've bolded. That's been my point all along, not that the Yanks need to drop him because he doesn't produce. He's still arguably the best player in baseball. And when you have a problem having the best player in the game on your team, then you have some serious problems.
Cashman/Steinbrenner have created a monster in the Yankees, and that monster is now even out of their control. King Kong is back bitches
Ace Hippie
10-09-2006, 04:57 PM
Well they're not going to help it (IMO) if they dump Torre for Piniella, they're just going to add another explosive temper. The Yankees desperately need a healthy, consistent starter (the former is why I dont think Jason Schmidt will work), and they really, really need a young ace. I know Philip Hughes is coming up from the minors, but that simply isn't enough..
Anyway, to return to topic. My A's are doing fine so I'll comment on the Giants -
(1) Inconsistent pitching, particularly at the backs of the rotation/bullpen
(2) Way too much of a reliance on older players, ignorance of the fact they would not be able to perform as well as before
(3) Over-reliance on Barry Bonds
(4) Obsession with Pedro "WTF is a strike zone?" Feliz
(5) Terrible, terrible trades as of late
(6) Overpaying for mediocre players (Hello, Randy Winn)
atreyu_2020
10-09-2006, 05:03 PM
Oh god not another A-Rod/Jeter discussion.
Jimothy51
10-09-2006, 05:20 PM
Oh god not another A-Rod/Jeter discussion.
AL
Oakland vs. Minnesota
Minnesota 3-1
New York vs. Detroit
New York 3-1
Minnesota vs. New York
New York 4-3
NL
New York vs. Los Angeles
Los Angeles 3-2
San Diego vs. St. Louis
San Diego 3-1
San Diego vs. Los Angeles
San Diego 4-3
World Series
New York vs. San Diego
New York 4-0
Stick to football.
Newcastle United
Worst defense ever, no Alan Shearer :wah: , and well, we are just Newcastle United, that's how we roll.
AsHopeDies
10-09-2006, 06:30 PM
Oh god not another A-Rod/Jeter discussion.
haha, we're actually in agreement, so this one is over.
I'll move on to Basketball, the Bobcats.
Injuries, youth, and the normal problems facing an expansion team.
I am really excited for this season though. I think with morrison, okafor, may, felton, etc. this team can do some things. They are still building, but I think they've had 3 extremely good drafts and are well on their way to building a successful NBA team. Charlotte is fickle though, so sadly they'll have to start getting some wins before the city falls in love, especially after the whole Hornets fiasco. That and the fact that the season starts during panthers season, and for some reason, people in this city have a hard time following 2 sports lol.
Travmire
10-11-2006, 12:07 AM
Team: The Reds
The way I see it, they didn't really fail. Yeah, they didn't make the playoffs, but they finished about 15 or 20 games ahead of where most people had them, and they were in it until almost the end. They're probably two years ahead of where they were at the begining of the season. I will miss a few of the players they traded, but they still have a fairly powerful line up, and their defense is upgraded. The bull pen is a lot better now too. Really, if they stay healthy and have good chemistry next year, they could make the playoffs. Their in a fairly weak division, and they've got some talent. They could probably use an Ace, but who couldn't?
the da
11-05-2006, 09:09 PM
Team Indians
The owner is a cheap bastard.
TheWhiteRecluse
11-06-2006, 12:39 AM
Cubs: because they are in Chicago and their name is the Cubs.
beardo
11-06-2006, 12:57 AM
indians:
losing great bullpen
losing crisp
jason johnson sucked
trading away everyone
injuries (kinda)
they will be back contending next year....Shin Soo Choo is awesome...
Whodi86
11-06-2006, 06:08 AM
They didn't want it bad enough...
Fuck you Miami Heat!
Our(They're) day will come for a NBA trophy.
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