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PantySnatcher
10-09-2006, 07:25 PM
An interesting site which attempts to explain the ten dimensions which form the foundation for String Theory. Simply access the Navigation (to the left) and click on Imagining the Tenth Dimension. The rest will follow automatically:
http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php
Once you've at least begun to wrap your mind around the concepts, it is fucking astounding!
puppetmasterjjk
10-09-2006, 08:30 PM
wowzas!
and you're posting this on ebwf?
XXXInsomniacXXX
10-09-2006, 08:40 PM
That is freakin sweet. If I understood it all correctly then I would want to go right to the sixth dimension where I could visit a very very very rich me and just live with myself and have fun. I would hate the fourth dimension because (again if I understood it correctly) I would have to live life being able to see my death or looking over my shoulder and seeing me as a child. I didn't fully understand the 7th or 8th dimensions but the seventh sounded like a place where every possible beginning and end to the universe is happening at the same time and that would be fucked. Quite interesting in any case
Flesh Warlord
10-09-2006, 08:47 PM
Interesting... I guess.
Slick37c
10-10-2006, 06:49 PM
Pointless theory. I love how at the end they hit a roadblock and use the word "contained." Whenever scientists throughout history reach the limit of science at the time they have to consider that that's all there is to know to make themselves feel better.
It's cool and all, but I want proof.
PantySnatcher
10-10-2006, 07:50 PM
It's cool and all, but I want proof.
Get better at math, I suppose.
I saw this once awhile back....Can be kind of hard to understand, but I've watched it twice and think I get it.
Pretty crazy shit
Slick37c
10-10-2006, 10:34 PM
Get better at math, I suppose.
I'm on it! lol
RancidMilk
10-11-2006, 01:15 AM
Suprisingly I found the 10th dimension the easiest to comprehend. After the 3rd.
herb001us
10-13-2006, 12:29 AM
I need to start doing drugs. Then I'll be able to pull shit like this out of my ass and call myself a genius.
PantySnatcher
10-13-2006, 01:03 AM
I need to start doing drugs. Then I'll be able to pull shit like this out of my ass and call myself a genius.
Yup. You understand the concepts.
Yodaus
10-13-2006, 01:35 AM
Nice post. It definitely reminds me of the book "Flatland". It's a really good read if you have the time; not to mention it's not too long to read.
It's cool and all, but I want proof.
You're asking the impossible. Go back and watch it again. It explains how a flatlander can only see one specific segment of something at any given time. Now apply it to us. We're seeing one section of our lives at any given time, so that's all the proof you'd be able to get. Of course you can argue the credibility on it all you want, it's just something that can't be proved. Like in the book, it would suggest that even the lowest of fourth-dimensional beings would be a god to us. Able to be anywhere, see anything, touch whatever they want, and so on.
Natedawg1848
10-13-2006, 02:03 AM
very sweet, but a repost i believe. I posted this a while back on the forums i frequent. It'll be new to a lot of ppl though so thats cool :)
EatTheCookie
10-13-2006, 02:12 AM
10th dimension = God --- I find that trippy because the ancient books say that god is all knowing of past present of future and just about everything...So maybe there use to be an ancient society that learned all the secrets of science and wrote a book for us to eventually understand how the universe works.. Makes me want to become religious
herb001us
10-13-2006, 02:52 AM
Yup. You understand the concepts.
I understand the concepts. That is exactly why I'm calling BS.
Go back and watch it again. It explains how a flatlander can only see one specific segment of something at any given time. Now apply it to us. We're seeing one section of our lives at any given time, so that's all the proof you'd be able to get.
Exactly. Without being able to have any method of proving this theory, it is just a leap of faith. Funny thing is, the same people who would believe this would call creationists crazy. Just because it has a scientific sound to it does not make it any more rational.
Mad Fish
10-13-2006, 03:10 AM
It's things like this that make me laugh at how incredibly stupid humans really are.6
great video. 10+1 thumbs up.
refoops
10-13-2006, 04:04 AM
Isn't the 7th dimention just the 6th dimention on a larger scale?...
PantySnatcher
10-13-2006, 11:16 AM
I understand the concepts. That is exactly why I'm calling BS.
Exactly. Without being able to have any method of proving this theory, it is just a leap of faith. Funny thing is, the same people who would believe this would call creationists crazy. Just because it has a scientific sound to it does not make it any more rational.
I don't believe, yet. I just think its an astounding concept.
It's things like this that make me laugh at how incredibly stupid humans really are.6
You must understand exactly how it all works in order to make a statement like that. Both of you. Look everyone, we've got a couple of String Theorists here.
herb001us
10-13-2006, 12:49 PM
I understand it. If I didn't, I wouldn't have taken the time to respond to it. I would have just sat there, stared blankly at the screen for half a second, then found something else to do. It may be true, it may not. But, according to the theory, humans being three dimensional beings and functioning in three dimension, we will never be able to prove the existance of the other seven dimensions. Since we can't possibly prove it, I am not going to jump on a band wagon and be like, "Wow, this is the answer to the universe. Genius." For all I know, some guy just had a bad dream one night and decided to write it down on paper. It's been enough to found religions, and this doesn't seem to be too far from some of those IMO.
Joshuwa
10-13-2006, 01:54 PM
I understand it. If I didn't, I wouldn't have taken the time to respond to it. I would have just sat there, stared blankly at the screen for half a second, then found something else to do. It may be true, it may not. But, according to the theory, humans being three dimensional beings and functioning in three dimension, we will never be able to prove the existance of the other seven dimensions. Since we can't possibly prove it, I am not going to jump on a band wagon and be like, "Wow, this is the answer to the universe. Genius." For all I know, some guy just had a bad dream one night and decided to write it down on paper. It's been enough to found religions, and this doesn't seem to be too far from some of those IMO.
Except it didn't come from one guy's "bad dream," but years upon years of numerous physicists studying these concepts.
Just because some laymen cannot understand it does not mean some scholars are not onto something real.
Seulgaist
10-13-2006, 02:06 PM
That was pretty damn interesting.
herb001us
10-13-2006, 02:24 PM
Just because some laymen cannot understand it does not mean some scholars are not onto something real.
Regardless, by their own theory, it cannot be proven. Why is it that because I don't believe it, I automatically don't understand it? It is a theory. It has yet to be proven, or it would be a law. Theories always have naysayers, and for this theory, I am one. I may be wrong and they may be right, in which case I would be more than happy to recant, but again, by this theory itself, it will never happen.
Joshuwa
10-13-2006, 02:49 PM
Regardless, by their own theory, it cannot be proven. Why is it that because I don't believe it, I automatically don't understand it? It is a theory. It has yet to be proven, or it would be a law. Theories always have naysayers, and for this theory, I am one. I may be wrong and they may be right, in which case I would be more than happy to recant, but again, by this theory itself, it will never happen.
You may be surprised the number of things in your daily life you consider "proven law" that, indeed, are not.
PantySnatcher
10-13-2006, 02:55 PM
Regardless, by their own theory, it cannot be proven. Why is it that because I don't believe it, I automatically don't understand it? It is a theory. It has yet to be proven, or it would be a law. Theories always have naysayers, and for this theory, I am one. I may be wrong and they may be right, in which case I would be more than happy to recant, but again, by this theory itself, it will never happen.
I'm sure you understand the relatively simple concepts that are presented in the flash animation... but I'm willing to bet that you don't know shit about String Theory, and the complex mathematics that are involved. THAT is what I mean. So no, you don't understand it. Nor do I. Furthermore, you DON'T know if it can ever be proven. You can foresee the progress of science and of human knowledge? Wow. I envy you and your infinite wisdom.
What I'm trying to say is that you do not know enough about the topic at hand to make such bold statements... and I think you're aware of this. It's just that you've already established your view, and you're the type that cannot admit defeat.
Actually it is pretty 'simple' to prove the existance of higher dimensions. Take this example:
Flatlanders live in a 2 dimentional universe. But let's say, for example, that this 2d world is bent around a 3rd dimension. It could be like the surface of a balloon that wraps back on itself or just a plane that goes on forever in all directions but just happens to be curved along a 3rd dimension. To the flatlanders, nothing seems out of the ordinary. However, let's assume that a Flatlander decides he wants to build a giant equilateral triangle. So he gets 3 very long pieces of 2d material of equal length and pushes them together to make a triangle on his world. So knowing that a triangle has 180 degrees, an equalateral triangle should have sides that have 60 degree angles... But when he goes to measure it, he finds that each of the angles are larger than 60 degrees. How can this be if each side is the same length? Because they bend around a 3rd dimension. This idea works too in our universe if our universe was bent around a 4th spatial dimension. If we had a 'BIG' enough triangle we could measure it. But all observations seem to be pointing to a 'flat' universe for us.
The multidimension idea also does offer an explaination for the behaviour of electrons. Why we observe interference patterns if we fire electrons one at a time through a double slit and why the pattern disappears if we observe the electrons.
Yodaus
10-13-2006, 08:29 PM
But if it were bent around something, it would know longer be a flatland, hence they aren't flatlanders. The requirements for being a flatlander (and yes, I understand how odd that sounds) are living on a surface with only length and width. If you curve it, it assumes depth. Right? Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere along here. =P
In other news, objective reality can't be proven. Make sure you don't jump on the "reality" bandwagon, herb.
Osama Bin Laden
10-13-2006, 10:12 PM
Did anybody else notice on the 4th dimension when they are zooming up on the baby?
Pretty soon after he talks about the snake theory, and when he starts zoomin in on the baby.
pause. get what that is
stinger4life
10-13-2006, 11:58 PM
Out of all that the first thing you notice is that the thing around the baby looks like a penis?
Back on topic, think about back when everyone thought the earth was a flat surface...eventually humans found out it was actually round, how? through mathematics. That leads me to believe that a single human with enough time and knowledge can figure out anything up to the 10th dimension. Also, there was no real hard proof that the earth was round until the first satelite was launched. All I am saying is that our whole existence is a tricky one that is being discovered daily, eventually we might just be able to advance to the 10th dimension, unless of course the eigth dimension is were all human existence ends from the end of the earth.
Yodaus
10-14-2006, 12:17 AM
I severely doubt we'll ever be able to add dimensions to ourselves. =P
callmePan
10-14-2006, 02:09 AM
string theory is bunk, everyone got all excited about, then relized it doesnt work.
When they contain 4 demensions into a point, and connect to points, that doesnt prove a fifth dimension, it just proves 1 dimension, again.
But if it were bent around something, it would know longer be a flatland, hence they aren't flatlanders. The requirements for being a flatlander (and yes, I understand how odd that sounds) are living on a surface with only length and width. If you curve it, it assumes depth. Right? Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere along here. =P
Well, their observable universe is still flat to them. That's the point and so far as they know, at first glance, it appears to be a 2d world.
string theory is bunk, everyone got all excited about, then relized it doesnt work.
When they contain 4 demensions into a point, and connect to points, that doesnt prove a fifth dimension, it just proves 1 dimension, again.
Well, it's not that everyone has thrown string theory out the window. It's still incomplete and it does have problems but it also does offer explainations for many situations. M-Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_theory) branched out of string theory and is, I believe, the current favoured model.
Puddinman900
10-15-2006, 01:51 AM
after watching it twice and thinking about it, yea it makes sense, to bad we're all trapped thanks to the 10th dem. But still, gives you something to think about.
Mad Fish
10-16-2006, 03:44 AM
I can't believe people actually look at this as science.
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This whole theory revolves around the idea that you can fold two dimentional objects, aka "flatlanders", and then apply that logic to our three dimentional world.
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The problem is, 2d is impossible. It is merely a human idea. People get too wrapped up in human concepts that they forget about simple logic. No amount of mathematics is going to make it possible to go back in time, to teleport to another place, to alter history, or any of this stuff. It's all just an idea, and only works on paper.
PantySnatcher
10-16-2006, 02:23 PM
I can't believe people actually look at this as science.
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This whole theory revolves around the idea that you can fold two dimentional objects, aka "flatlanders", and then apply that logic to our three dimentional world.
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The problem is, 2d is impossible. It is merely a human idea. People get too wrapped up in human concepts that they forget about simple logic. No amount of mathematics is going to make it possible to go back in time, to teleport to another place, to alter history, or any of this stuff. It's all just an idea, and only works on paper.
You must know an awful lot about String Theory and the complex mathematics that are involved in order to make such a bold statement.
Cur67
10-17-2006, 12:02 AM
I love stuff like this.
Like that film What the Bleep do we Know.
It seems to me that higher sciences like quantum
physics actually indicate a power greater than ourselves.
You must know an awful lot about String Theory and the complex mathematics that are involved in order to make such a bold statement.
True that.
The thing people need to realize is that THIS is NOT the theory. This is a simple way to visualize the theory.
Slick37c
10-17-2006, 09:11 PM
Nice post. It definitely reminds me of the book "Flatland". It's a really good read if you have the time; not to mention it's not too long to read.
You're asking the impossible. Go back and watch it again. It explains how a flatlander can only see one specific segment of something at any given time. Now apply it to us. We're seeing one section of our lives at any given time, so that's all the proof you'd be able to get. Of course you can argue the credibility on it all you want, it's just something that can't be proved. Like in the book, it would suggest that even the lowest of fourth-dimensional beings would be a god to us. Able to be anywhere, see anything, touch whatever they want, and so on.
So if it's pointless to learn and we're never going to gain anything from it, what's the point of wasting your whole life coming up with the theory? Just to say you discovered it? Great. Now I can go focus on the real world.
Yodaus
10-17-2006, 10:32 PM
So if it's pointless to learn and we're never going to gain anything from it, what's the point of wasting your whole life coming up with the theory? Just to say you discovered it? Great. Now I can go focus on the real world.
I never said it was pointless to learn or that we wouldn't gain anything from it. I said that you aren't going to be able to get any evidence of a higher dimension. The way things are now, there's no way to show that there's a fourth dimension, or the lack thereof. Who knows, we very well could gain something from it. Granted I don't know how, because if I did I'd be working on it right now rather than waste time here. If the theory could be proved, it could very well change the way we view a lot of science, as well as giving way to manipulating the fourth dimension (which I don't believe is time, by the way. I don't even like the string theory. =P), if we can ever become that advanced. Imagine being able to do that. Making something disappear at the blink of an eye and reappear back in the third dimension somewhere else. I refuse to believe it's impossible (just not feasible) that, if there were a fourth dimension, it could be changed and bent to our whim. Hell, I've seen articles on us making light travel in reverse.
refoops
10-18-2006, 04:57 AM
We once thought the sun revolved around the earth.
shakezula
10-27-2006, 01:19 AM
Dude string theory has already been proven mathematically. It is the only formula which successfully was able to combine the Electro Magnetic, Strong and Weak forces and on top of that gravity into one formula. I don't think that the multiverse scratches the surface of all that is, but it sure gets us much closer.
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