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fisherking01
10-14-2006, 06:57 PM
“The Bible and Homosexuality”
by Dr. Bob Rogers, Pastor
First Baptist Church
Rincon, Georgia


Ecclesiastes 3:7 says there is a time to be silent and a time to speak. During the summer of 2003, political correctness ran rampant over biblical correctness like a steam roller in the public media. Canada approved gay marriage, the Supreme Court banned anti-sodomy laws, and the Episcopal Church gave official approval to an openly-gay bishop and allowed liturgies to bless same-sex marriage (although there was strong opposition from more conservative Episcopalians). I believe God’s wrath is aroused and it is time for all Christians, not just conservative Episcopalians, to speak up for the truth.
At the same time, Ephesians 4:15 reminds us to "speak the truth in love." As a young man, I was homosexually abused. It only happened once, but I'll never forget it, and at one time it was hard for me to preach on this issue without anger. Bitterness is also a sin. But I have confessed that, and I will seek in this message a balanced approach, speaking the truth, but speaking it in love.

1. THE BIBLE CONSISTENTLY CONDEMNS HOMOSEXUALITY AS SIN
From the homosexual sin of Sodom in Genesis 19 we get our term for homosexual sin, “sodomy.” Throughout scripture sodomy is condemned. All Scriptures New Internatinal Version (NIV), unless otherwise noted.

Genesis 19:4-8
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

Leviticus 18:22
"'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Leviticus 20:13
"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Judges 19:22-23
While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him." The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing.

1 Kings 14:24
There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.

Romans 1:24-27
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

2. SO HOW DO HOMOSEXUALS JUSTIFY THEIR BEHAVIOR BY THE BIBLE?

1) The Sin of Sodom Argument
Gay activitists claim that Ezekiel 16:49 says the sin of Sodom was social injustice, not sexual. But Ezekiel 16:50 goes on to say they did detestable things, and Jude 7 specifies those detestable things were sexual immorality.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

Jude 7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

2) The “outdated like slavery” argument
Gay activists claim that some ethical commands of the Bible are outdated. They love to say, “The Bible tells slaves to obey their masters, and people now know that was wrong. Likewise, it’s wrong to condemn homosexuality.”
This argument depends on a dangerous view of scripture. If you can dismiss scripture just because the culture considers it outdated, you’re on a dangerous slope. How can you believe anything in the Bible with such an attitude?
Not only that, but gay activists twist scripture to come up with this reasoning.
It is twisting scripture to claim that because slaves were told to obey their masters that the Bible was supporting slavery. The Bible was merely instructing Christian slaves in how to behave in their situation. It was not endorsing slavery. In the little New Testament book of Philemon, Paul urged Philemon to free his slave Onesimus. And slave trading is condemned as sin along with homosexuality in 1 Timothy 9:10.
1 Timothy 1:9-10
We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine.
NOTE: The Greek word used for “perverts” in the NIV is translated “homosexuals” in the New American Standard Bible and Holman Christian Standard Bible, and "sodomites" in the New Revised Standard Version and New King James Version. The word means a man who defiles himself with another man. The word translated “slave trader” means one who kidnaps another man to enslave him.

3) The “gay examples in the Bible” argument
Same-sex friendships in the Bible such as between Jonathan and David or Ruth and Naomi are said to be models for homosexual relationships. This is twisting scripture to fit the gay agenda. Nowhere does the Bible say these friendships were sexual in nature.

4) The “male nor female” argument
This argument reinterprets Galatians 3:28. Galatians 3:28 says, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Gay activists point to this verse to claim that people can be Christians, whatever their sexual orientation, whether “male or female.”
Gay activists are reading into this passage something that simply is not there. Paul clearly was saying that both men and women are equal in Christ. This in no way says or even implies that males who prefer males or females who prefer females are equal in Christ.
But gay activists cleverly respond, “but God made homosexuals that way, they can’t change, so it is just like being male or female.”
This popular statement by gay activists is contradicted by scientific and psychological research and by the testimonies of many former homosexuals that they did change.
Scientific claims that gays are born with a genetic difference are based on faulty research. If homosexuality were truly genetic, then all identical twins would have the same sexual orientation. However, only about half of the time when a homosexual has an identical twin is the twin also homosexual. If it’s genetic, why don’t all identical twins have the same sexual orientation? (Exodus International FAQs page, exodus-international.org/exodus_faqs.shtml)
New Directions has a report that summarizes 31 studies done on sexual orientation that found 45 people who completely changed from homosexuality to heterosexuality, 86 homosexual people who “acquired” heterosexual behavior, and 287 homosexual people who had partial shifts toward some heterosexual desires and attractions.
The research shows that change is not easy, but people can change. (“Homosexuality and the Possibility of Change,” newdirection.ca/a_change.htm)
Most important of all are the testimonies of people who have experienced freedom from homosexuality by Christ. Their struggles to overcome homosexuality are not easy nor all the same. But through Christ, and through loving Christians, they are finding freedom from homosexuality.
Check the web page of Exodus International, www.exodus-international.org, for many testimonies of people who have found freedom in Christ from the gay lifestye.
Ephesians 3:18 speaks of the amazing love of Christ: “how wide and how long and how high and how deep is the love of Christ!” That love is long enough to reach the homosexual who has run from God for many long years. That love is deep enough to reach down into the filthy gay lifestyle and lift any person up to forgiveness.


Dr. Bob Rogers, Pastor
First Baptist Church
201 E. 6th St.
Rincon, GA 31326

Sandalhar
10-14-2006, 07:18 PM
What is your point Sir?

Nocturnal
10-14-2006, 07:20 PM
I can't say that I care much about what some moldy old book says about human sexuality.

That pastor should spend his time trying to feed and clothe the starving people in the world, instead of worrying about people's sex lives.

yb-yellow
10-14-2006, 07:41 PM
Interesting points.. a little over board by saying its detestable and wicked, and they should be condemned

Catwick
10-14-2006, 07:45 PM
I guess catholic priests ignore those.

Chewy
10-14-2006, 07:59 PM
This part of the Bible really speaks to me...

And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:

Deuteronomy 23:13... as many time I have been up a creek and had no paddle.

There are many flaws Biblically speaking in those arguments one being that old Old Testament vs. New Testament issue. There are many things in the Bible in the Old Testament that tells people do crazy shit like kill people and so one for crazy reasons… like say not listening to priests.
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12) rather harsh really.. or hiting mom or dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15) Now seeing as these little 'laws' are broken I think we can let two guys live together.

deballedtomcat
10-14-2006, 08:17 PM
In no way do I subscribe to the mistaken and politically correct view that homosexuality is something that someone practices because they are "born that way",I beleive it is a choice,pure and simple,and in no way do I have any desire to choose to engage in homosexual acts,the very though of which disgusts me,let me get that out of the way first.

I also am not "homophobic" which is a buzzword that ignorant people use to decribe people who do not beleive in homosexuality,nor am I religious nut.

In fact,I hate religion because it is all about control,and a mythical "hell" or bad things happening to you if you don't do things "Gods way" BAH!!!

Why can't people just let the little peter puffers alone/they aren't hurting anybody with their lifestyle choices?Isn't there things that are more important than who someone wants to have sex with?I judge people by content and character,not sexual choices.

In short,religion,like homosexuality,sucks. Pun intended.

kledster
10-14-2006, 08:43 PM
the major catalyst of faith is fear. without fear people do not need religion nor do people need a God.

whocares
10-14-2006, 09:18 PM
If homosexuality is a choice, then that means that those people can conciously (sp?) control their attraction to others... something most of us we can't do... and that's clearly an advantage they have.

Nocturnal
10-14-2006, 09:21 PM
If homosexuality is a choice, then that means that those people can conciously (sp?) control their attraction to others... something most of us we can't do... and that's clearly an advantage they have.

and clearly they would choose a lifestyle that would open them up to persecution, no chances of getting maried, having kids, or maintaining proper control of poopage.

/dead horse

whocares
10-14-2006, 09:23 PM
and clearly they would choose a lifestyle that would open them up to persecution, no chances of getting maried, having kids, or maintaining proper control of poopage.

/dead horse
Well, I find that argument faulty...

Why do some teenagers choose to be emo, why do some people choose to be criminals... ?

If homosexuality is a choice, it wouldn't be different...

0_transfat
10-14-2006, 09:38 PM
The Bible makes me feel creepy.

Homosexuals make me feel creepy.

I wish they would both just go away and let the rest of us enjoy our fucking lives as we know it.

Nocturnal
10-14-2006, 09:44 PM
Well, I find that argument faulty...

Why do some teenagers choose to be emo, why do some people choose to be criminals... ?

If homosexuality is a choice, it wouldn't be different...

None of those things are comparable to being gay. Ask grief counselors if they think their gay patients chose to be gay.

The idea that somebody can choose is just crazy. It's either the result of mental trauma, or biological. (or both)

whocares
10-14-2006, 09:46 PM
No, I do think that definitely isn't a choice.

However, I found your argument faulty...

kledster
10-14-2006, 10:12 PM
i'm not gay so i don't know if it is a choice or not. i guess that's something only a gay person can know.

Chewy
10-14-2006, 10:16 PM
i'm not gay so i don't know if it is a choice or not. i guess that's something only a gay person can know.

Did you choose to NOT be a homosexual? Or do you feel that being a heterosexual is rather normal for you?

0_transfat
10-14-2006, 10:19 PM
i'm not gay so i don't know if it is a choice or not. i guess that's something only a gay person can know.


i'm not gay, but i'm just saying that becuse i'm really gay but i don't want to admit it so i say i'm not gay so people have to leave me alone about being gay.

am i right?

kledster
10-14-2006, 10:23 PM
Did you choose to NOT be a homosexual? Or do you feel that being a heterosexual is rather normal for you?

i didn't choose anything, heterosexuality came natural to me. although some gay people claim it doesn't come naturally to them and some do. perhaps they are lying when they say it's not a choice, but only they really know.

chadf
10-14-2006, 10:37 PM
If homosexuality is a choice, then that means that those people can conciously (sp?) control their attraction to others... something most of us we can't do... and that's clearly an advantage they have.

That's because it's not a conscious choice. It's a physiological decision... much like how people choose other starting facets of their life. Mostly originating on how they were raised or other environmental factors.

There is thousands of homo to hetero people out there who were changed through counseling. Providing therapeutic support for a homosexual who wishes to convert or revert to heterosexuality has been an integral part of the practice of psychotherapy for decades now. Just look it up on Google. There is evidence everywhere.

Nocturnal
10-14-2006, 11:33 PM
No, I do think that definitely isn't a choice.

However, I found your argument faulty...


Impossible!!

;)


although some gay people claim it doesn't come naturally to them and some do. .

I've never herad a gay person claim they chose it.



There is thousands of homo to hetero people out there who were changed through counseling. Providing therapeutic support for a homosexual who wishes to convert or revert to heterosexuality has been an integral part of the practice of psychotherapy for decades now. Just look it up on Google. There is evidence everywhere.

So then you believe it is a mental problem. Why all the anger directed towards them? Shouldn't we offer them pity and assistance if they ask for it, instead of repudiating them as less than human? (not saying that you do this, but that is a common reaction)

We don't see Preachers on TV screaming about the sinful OCD or Schizophrenic people.

YouEnjoyMyself
10-14-2006, 11:37 PM
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Chewy
10-15-2006, 01:14 AM
i didn't choose anything, heterosexuality came natural to me. Seems to make good sense then that Homosexuals don’t choose anything either, the only complication is society suggesting they are not normal.

chadf
10-15-2006, 02:28 AM
So then you believe it is a mental problem. Why all the anger directed towards them? Shouldn't we offer them pity and assistance if they ask for it, instead of repudiating them as less than human? (not saying that you do this, but that is a common reaction)

We don't see Preachers on TV screaming about the sinful OCD or Schizophrenic people.


I agree. I hate religion. I'm a Christian but my church doesn't follow religious traditions. Jesus didn't hang with other God loving Jews. He hung out with the lowest of the low. I have many gay friends, they know I don't agree with their lifestyle and I tell them that I pray for their salvation often... but I'm still their friend.

Society in America looks down at prostitutes... why can't we just accept their lifestyle? Because its wrong. The same goes with homosexuals. I don't accept their lifestyle because its wrong.

chadf
10-15-2006, 02:33 AM
Prostitution is an obvious, concious choice. But, I was just making a point. The proof exists that gays have been converted into straights. What other evidence is needed to proove that gays aren't born gay?

I've never seen any mental disorder that someone was BORN with be cured through counseling. Why? Because they weren't choices.

bluflame
10-15-2006, 02:45 AM
To be honest, I've made a concious choice to be straight. It's not really anything that I'd be waving around that I've had homosexual thoughts in the past, but it's a choice that I would have had to have made if I was to be homosexual, or straight.

kledster
10-15-2006, 02:47 AM
I've never herad a gay person claim they chose it.



really? i have.

rds0811
10-15-2006, 02:59 AM
As a young man, I was homosexually abused. It only happened once, but I'll never forget it, and at one time it was hard for me to preach on this issue without anger.

As soon as I saw this it became obvious that the whole article would be as a result of the guy being victimized by homosexuality and wanting to get some sort of revenge. I think everyone could understand that, but still the guy's blame has been misplaced on homosexuality as opposed to being placed on the individual who violated him.

Personally I don't like homosexuality, but there are much worse things for us and the government to focus our attention on. Politicians love to make scapegoats of gay people and use the issue just to bolster support from certain voting demographics, instead of because they actually care about the issue. I think the best approach to the issue is to just let all people choose their own path in life, and as long as they are doing their own thing without trying to actually hurt themselves or other people then it shouldn't even be an issue.

deballedtomcat
10-15-2006, 09:21 AM
I didn't mean to sidetrack the thread with a choice vs born gay comment,it really is a dead horse because nobody is going to change their minds one way or the other.

What really gets to me though is the way that "religion" persecutes homosexuals,both male and female.(I don't use the word gay,which means happy,not homo)

Religion teaches hate and exclusion,pure and simple.Which is why I refuse to support it in any way.

britishbulldog
10-15-2006, 10:32 AM
In no way do I subscribe to the mistaken and politically correct view that homosexuality is something that someone practices because they are "born that way",I beleive it is a choice,pure and simple,and in no way do I have any desire to choose to engage in homosexual acts,the very though of which disgusts me,let me get that out of the way first.


So tell me, when did you choose to be straight? Why would someone choose to be turned on by the same sex? It just makes life more difficult.

No seriously, if anyone thinks they have a genuine reason why anyone would choose to be gay then let it be known.

Nocturnal
10-15-2006, 11:29 AM
really? i have.

I'd like to speak to somebody who made that claim, it would be interesting.

I don't know about you guys, but I couldn't choose to be asexual even, I can't help but get aroused when I see a pretty girl.

Chewy
10-15-2006, 01:15 PM
I'd like to speak to somebody who made that claim, it would be interesting.

I don't know about you guys, but I couldn't choose to be asexual even, I can't help but get aroused when I see a pretty girl.

I agree I have yet to meet anyone that made the claim they chose their sexual preference, I have met people that tried using the ‘Jesus pill’ to subdue their homosexual tendencies… that was only a temporary fix, some I know were able to last up to 20+ years before finally succumbing to what they felt was a natural.

kududoodoop
10-15-2006, 01:18 PM
The Bible makes me feel creepy.

Homosexuals make me feel creepy.

I wish they would both just go away and let the rest of us enjoy our fucking lives as we know it.

tell me, what have homosexuals ever done to you, i think you should fucking go away because i'm sick of the homophobic conservative morons.

Chewy
10-15-2006, 03:37 PM
tell me, what have homosexuals ever done to you, i think you should fucking go away because i'm sick of the homophobic conservative morons.I'll kindly direct to you this...

Please also refrain from blanket partisan attacks. What I mean are posts like "Conservatives are ignorant religious nuts" or "Liberals hate this country and support terrorism." Posts like these are extremely ignorant, and worse than that, extremely boring. While you won't be banned for such posts, you will look like an idiot. If you must resort to such ad hominem attacks, it means that you have no real argument, and therefore shouldn't be posting.


While you won’t get banned for your post I don't think you score any points for content. While this topic is gilded with the emotions of those that feel so deeply about this topic I think shedding some insight onto them has more value than pitching lame arguments onto the campfires that burn in the respected camps of thought on this topic. /rant

pidgeball6
10-15-2006, 03:45 PM
While you won’t get banned for your post I don't think you score any points for content. While this topic is gilded with the emotions of those that feel so deeply about this topic I think shedding some insight onto them has more value than pitching lame arguments onto the campfires that burn in the respected camps of thought on this topic. /rant
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This sums up my impression of your comment.

crazyjames1233
10-19-2006, 09:33 PM
If homosexuality is a choice, then that means that those people can conciously (sp?) control their attraction to others... something most of us we can't do... and that's clearly an advantage they have.

im pretty sure no matter how hard i tried i couldnt CHOOSE to make myself attracted to a guys asshole, anyone who says that you can is just an idiot.

MattyB
10-19-2006, 10:40 PM
It was a sin because at that time it was wrong to be with someone of your same status since woman were lower. And also it says in the Bible we should stone prostitutes, do you agree with that?

Danimal87
10-19-2006, 11:11 PM
This part of the Bible really speaks to me...

... as many time I have been up a creek and had no paddle.

There are many flaws Biblically speaking in those arguments one being that old Old Testament vs. New Testament issue. There are many things in the Bible in the Old Testament that tells people do crazy shit like kill people and so one for crazy reasons… like say not listening to priests.
rather harsh really.. or hiting mom or dad
Now seeing as these little 'laws' are broken I think we can let two guys live together.
You don't know the significance of Jesus's sacrifice then.

God is holy, so he punishes sin. We all deserve death, as He created us yet we all sin against God. Yet God is also loving, so He sent His Son, Jesus, to die in our stead. Whoever accepts Jesus's sacrifice is redeemed, and is then sinless in the eyes of God. Only those who are perfect may enter heaven, and accepting Jesus grants us that perfection in the eyes of God.

What you quote came before the crucifixion.

Chewy
10-20-2006, 12:13 AM
You don't know the significance of Jesus's sacrifice then.I know of it, I respect it but I don’t see it as being that important.




What you quote came before the crucifixion. So does the bulk of anti-homosexual anecdotes in the Bible. You can not have it both ways. :rolleyes:

Shelleybean
10-20-2006, 02:25 AM
I am attracted to both men and women. I felt myself being attracted to women at an early age, I had no idea why I felt this way and I tried to deny it because it was frowned upon. I used to be so ashamed, but now that I am older I have learned to embraced it as a part of myself.

Superior_to_you
10-20-2006, 02:46 AM
Apparently he doesn't understand that most people either don't believe in God or just don't give a fuck what Christianity says. A lot of Christians seem to think that the Bible is an applicable source for right and wrong when dealing with people outside of their faith. The arrogance and ignorance displayed by such people is sickening.

Cereal Killer
10-20-2006, 02:58 AM
Homosexuality is something you are born with. The catholic church is not against homosexuals, just homosexual acts.

firepiss
10-20-2006, 08:54 AM
I'm not against gay people and their acts.

But the bisexual people puzzles me....

Apparently he doesn't understand that most people either don't believe in God or just don't give a fuck what Christianity says. A lot of Christians seem to think that the Bible is an applicable source for right and wrong when dealing with people outside of their faith. The arrogance and ignorance displayed by such people is sickening.

Sir, your statement is a bit silly. Your words in bold is false.

poonage_pimp
10-20-2006, 09:46 AM
Is it just me or does anyone else hate it when people call homosexuality the "gay agenda"?

Danimal87
10-20-2006, 05:07 PM
I know of it, I respect it but I don’t see it as being that important.
Its important regardless, whether you believe in it or not. The Crucifixion is the cornerstone of Christian theology, so its important, at least in the respect.
So does the bulk of anti-homosexual anecdotes in the Bible. You can not have it both ways. :rolleyes:
All that means is that if we accept Jesus as our Savior, we no longer have to die or be punished otherwise for our sins. Generally, what was a sin then is a sin now.

And like you said, the bulk. Not all. The New Testament also condemns homosexuality.

Junkman
10-20-2006, 08:07 PM
I'm tired of those damn heterosexuals trying to push their strsight agenda on me.

Jim Colyer
10-20-2006, 08:09 PM
Sex does not seem to exist in the Bible.

kududoodoop
10-20-2006, 08:33 PM
Sex does not seem to exist in the Bible.

neither do dinosaurs.

the bible tells me to kill non-believers, should we make that law too?

Chewy
10-21-2006, 01:49 AM
Its important regardless, whether you believe in it or not. The Crucifixion is the cornerstone of Christian theology, so its important, at least in the respect.The cornerstone of most mythology is only important to those that embrace it.


All that means is that if we accept Jesus as our Savior, we no longer have to die or be punished otherwise for our sins. Generally, what was a sin then is a sin now.yeah I know the story.



And like you said, the bulk. Not all. The New Testament also condemns homosexuality. Yes the bulk, it is mentioned less in the New Testament that the Old. Now if you want to split hairs the New Testament also condones Slavery…are you saying that you embrace slavery too?

Daucus Karota
11-02-2006, 04:33 PM
Jesus on the cross is very homosexual image

he is also in the west portrayed as an androgynous man with a beard

crazyjames1233
11-16-2006, 02:16 AM
This part of the Bible really speaks to me...

... as many time I have been up a creek and had no paddle.

There are many flaws Biblically speaking in those arguments one being that old Old Testament vs. New Testament issue. There are many things in the Bible in the Old Testament that tells people do crazy shit like kill people and so one for crazy reasons… like say not listening to priests.
rather harsh really.. or hiting mom or dad
Now seeing as these little 'laws' are broken I think we can let two guys live together.

youd think if people knew about all the shit like that the bible said, they would stop taking it so seriously...

bergshadow
11-16-2006, 02:55 AM
Sex does not seem to exist in the Bible. ? Joke?

The Bible seems to think lesbian sex is OK whenever and with whomever - at least, there's no regulation or condemnation of it.

And David and Jonathan, whose love surpassed that of women, don't seem to have been consigned to the fiery pit.

As far as the "lying as with a woman", it doesn't seem to cover oral and the like exactly - maybe you just aren't supposed to do anal, or maybe you aren't supposed to do anal with your boyfriend if you do it with your girlfriend?

Incest is bad, unless your wife has been turned into a pillar of salt, and you get drunk first.

Bestiality is bad. And nobody can eat the animal if anyone has raped it - or is that the Koran?

Seems a bit confusing. The part about not borrowing or lending at interest is very clear, though - you can't do it. So no putting your sex toys on the credit card.

Henkie
11-16-2006, 03:34 AM
In Christian law it is illegal to lend money at interest (which is why we used to let the Jews do it). Which would make any bank, creditcardcompany, etc, an immoral thing that should be banned. Yet we choose to totally ignore that bit, and go for gays...

britishbulldog
11-16-2006, 08:42 AM
OH NOO!O!! TEh HoMo'S!! J3bus s4ve us frm teh h0m0 con5pira5y!!

Danimal87
11-16-2006, 10:41 AM
The Bible seems to think lesbian sex is OK whenever and with whomever - at least, there's no regulation or condemnation of it.
Romans 1:26-27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:26-27;&version=31;)
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
I've shown this to you before.

bergshadow
11-16-2006, 01:54 PM
I've shown this to you before. Yeah, I know. But it's kind of vague, don't you think? Brief, singular, confined to the New Testament, and nothing there about "lying with other women" or whatever. Your imagination, a modern one, can decide what "unnatural" means in this circumstance - and in Rome, the big city that became the foundation of the big Church, you may be right in your guesswork - but that's hardly a specific or severe or repeated impassioned condemnation such as we see for charging interest on loans.

Roameyoe
11-16-2006, 02:21 PM
I normally don't get involved with these discussions, but I would lose respect for religions claiming to follow the bible and ignoring the stuff it says to do. I mean it's like saying your an atheist and then telling people that dead people go to heaven. It just doesn't make sense. Either stick with something, or completely ignore it.

Chewy
11-16-2006, 02:53 PM
In Christian law it is illegal to lend money at interest (which is why we used to let the Jews do it). Which would make any bank, creditcardcompany, etc, an immoral thing that should be banned. Yet we choose to totally ignore that bit, and go for gays... We send people off to War when God clearly said Thou Shalt Not kill.. in fact out of God's big ten issues Gay folks didn't make the cut...God said not to make idols... and we do that, Honor our parents....?? Everyone still doing that..*calls his Mom*


I see Christian bias and resentment toward homosexuals as being a display of lack of faith in God. It's God's issue if they really believed in God they would let him deal with it.