Played PS3 today

[ROFLcopterPILOT]

at Target.

The game kinda sucked. It was some truck/motorcycle racing game. The controller looks just like the PS2 one. I thought it was going to be like a boomerang or something? I guess not. I'm getting a Wii anyways. Anyone else played it yet?

[Turbocharger]

I saw a kid at Target playing it yesterday. I had to look at the name on the controller to see that it was a PS3. Other than that it just looked like a PS2 played on a high def tv.

[ROFLcopterPILOT]

The graphics didn't really "WOW" me evry much. I was disappointed.

[OOpman]

The graphics didn't really "WOW" me evry much. I was disappointed.

Well it was a shitty motorcycle truck racing game anyway i saw the game resistance fall of man that game looked pretty sweet.

[ROFLcopterPILOT]

^ True. I'm sure there are much better games than that game I played today.

[troutofdoom]

^ True. I'm sure there are much better games than that game I played today.

Motorstorm is the 2nd biggest launch title, following Resistance. :rolleyes:
PS3 launch is terrible.

[Shaster]

Motorstorm is the 2nd biggest launch title, following Resistance. :rolleyes:
PS3 launch is terrible.

Maybe, but I wasnt much impressed with the 360 launch titles either (except for COD2). We just have to give Ps3 game developers more time.

[MooCowzRock]

Yeah, WTF is up with the PS3 and Wii demos??? Why would they offer such stupid crappy games for their demos???

[clutch-monkey]

Maybe, but I wasnt much impressed with the 360 launch titles either (except for COD2). We just have to give Ps3 game developers more time.
qft, launch games have sucked for all the consoles now - glad i waited before getting a 360, will have to do the same with the wii

[D-roc]

Condemned was a 360 launch title, and it rawked

[MooCowzRock]

Condemned was a 360 launch title, and it rawked

...no it didnt....

[ThaiTanium22]

People actually buy systems based on their launch titles? I'll bet a nickel that none of you can name and remember thoroughly enjoying a Playstation 2 launch title.

[sweet]

Yeah I played the ps3 at best buy the game was a basketball one and the graphics didn’t that much better than my 360 or worth the $200 dollars over the 360. But I guess people are buying consoles do more than just play games these days.

[Knave]

Seriously Playstation just keeps on trying to add on and add on to the features. They need to put more into game development than "OMG what other un needed features can we add to make it more expensive!"

[Cee]

The only launch title that lured me in was Halo 1. THATS IT

Xbox360 had a piss poor showing besides CoD2.

[graffiti1]

People actually buy systems based on their launch titles? I'll bet a nickel that none of you can name and remember thoroughly enjoying a Playstation 2 launch title.

godfather
gta san andreas
gta vice city
socom 2
socom 3

cuntrag..

[MooCowzRock]

godfather
gta san andreas
gta vice city
socom 2
socom 3

cuntrag..

I love the PS2 and PS3......but none of those were launch titles....Great games, but not launch titles...

[ThaiTanium22]

godfather
gta san andreas
gta vice city
socom 2
socom 3

cuntrag..

You don't do that whole reading thing well do you?

[clutch-monkey]

I love the PS2 and PS3......but none of those were launch titles....Great games, but not launch titles...

i was wondering why companies would release two installments of a game series simultaenously

[Liberator13]

You don't do that whole reading thing well do you?

Haha, I'm still laughing at that comment.

[MooCowzRock]

Haha, I'm still laughing at that comment.

That was a pretty good line....the wording was perfect..:lmao: .

[kududoodoop]

Well it was a shitty motorcycle truck racing game anyway i saw the game resistance fall of man that game looked pretty sweet.

resistence has very mediocre graphics, and just god awful textures, i mean they're really ugly.

gameplay looks fun, and according to ign it's a fairly long game, 40 person multiplayer should be fun.

...no it didnt....

...yes it did...play...it's...made by the guys who made....F.E.A.R

[emoisgay]

godfather
gta san andreas
gta vice city
socom 2
socom 3

cuntrag..

none of those were launch titles retard vice city didn't come out till 2 years later ass face.

same for socom 2, and andread came how long ago?

Come on now lil billy don't be deedeedee

[Lividum]

Bullshit. The racing game looks fun.

[Perl_5]

I believe the games they have now will not put the ps3 to its fullest potential. Check out some screenshots of "2 days till Vegas", then complain.

[Smoked86]

...no it didnt....


yes ... it did. scariest game to date

[VercettiCartel]

none of those were launch titles retard vice city didn't come out till 2 years later ass face.

same for socom 2, and andread came how long ago?

Come on now lil billy don't be deedeedee

Andread? deedeedee? Are you really showing your admiration for one of Carlos Mencia's lame acts? Dude, you're a retard. I can just tell.

[snyderman]

I work at Target (Im that cool, recognize) and Motorstorm looks kickass at my store. Not all stores have the same TV in their demo, ours uses a true 1080p LCD. It looks unbelievable.

[MooCowzRock]

...it's...made by the guys who made....F.E.A.R

Exactly! Point proven...

[silverspade14]

I believe the games they have now will not put the ps3 to its fullest potential. Check out some screenshots of "2 days till Vegas", then complain.

2 Days to Vegas is coming out on all next gen consoles except the Wii.

[rand0m]

at Target.

The game kinda sucked. It was some truck/motorcycle racing game.

Nice of you to remember the name of the game, before you review it.

The controller looks just like the PS2 one. I thought it was going to be like a boomerang or something? I guess not.

Where have you been the last year?

[AsHopeDies]

2 Days to Vegas is coming out on all next gen consoles except the Wii.

He was just pointing out how good it looks on the PS3, in response to someone saying the graphics weren't all that great. I don't think he was claiming that it was an exclusive.

[xeoset]

GRRR...People comparing Graphics:


Triangle Setup
Xbox 360 - 500 Million Triangles/sec
PS3 - 250 Million Triangles/sec

Vertex Shader Processing
Xbox 360 - 6.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 2.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 16 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.5 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 12 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 8 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec

Filtered Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 12.0 Billion Texels/sec

Vertex Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Texels/sec

Pixel Shader Processing with 16 Filtered Texels Per Cycle (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec

Pixel Shader Processing without Textures (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec

Multisampled Fill Rate
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz)
PS3 - 8.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz)

Pixel Fill Rate with 4x Multisampled Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz / 4)
PS3 - 2.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz / 4)

Pixel Fill Rate without Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)

Frame Buffer Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 256.0 GB/sec (dedicated for frame buffer rendering)
PS3 - 20.8 GB/sec (shared with other graphics data: textures and vertices)
PS3 - 10.8 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)
PS3 - 8.4 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)

Texture/Vertex Memory Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with CPU)
Xbox 360 - 14.4 GB/sec (with 8.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
Xbox 360 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
PS3 - 20.8 GB/sec (shared with frame buffer)
PS3 - 10.8 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)
PS3 - 8.4 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)

Shader Model
Xbox 360 - Shader Model 3.0+ / Unified Shader Architecture
PS3 - Shader Model 3.0 / Discrete Shader Architecture


Kthxbi.

[silverspade14]

He was just pointing out how good it looks on the PS3, in response to someone saying the graphics weren't all that great. I don't think he was claiming that it was an exclusive.

Yea but he seems to think the PS3 is special for being able to render a game the PC and 360 can also do. Nothing groundbreaking there.

[AsHopeDies]

Yea but he seems to think the PS3 is special for being able to render a game the PC and 360 can also do. Nothing groundbreaking there.

Sounds like you are interpreting a lot of things that he simply didn't say. Looking for console arguments when they just aren't there.

GRRR...People comparing Graphics:



Kthxbi.

Well, I went back and read every post in this thread and...nope...nobody 'compared' graphics.

One guy said he wasn't impressed by the graphics of the demo game, and then someone said wait until "so and so" comes out and see if you are still complaining about graphics.

So, nice long post with no relevance, and nice unfounded "GRRR"...you should be ashamed of yourself ;)

[rand0m]

GRRR...People comparing Graphics:

number number number

Kthxbi.

Care to explain what each and everyone one of those numbers mean or are you just doing what school boys do to their dicks and see which are bigger?

[silverspade14]

Care to explain what each and everyone one of those numbers mean or are you just doing what school boys do to their dicks and see which are bigger?

If you want to put it that way, the 360 has a bigger one.

[Canty]

People actually buy systems based on their launch titles? I'll bet a nickel that none of you can name and remember thoroughly enjoying a Playstation 2 launch title.

Timesplitters was probably the best out of the bunch, but it's crap compared to the sequels.

[xeoset]

I believe the games they have now will not put the ps3 to its fullest potential. Check out some screenshots of "2 days till Vegas", then complain.


Well, I went back and read every post in this thread and...nope...nobody 'compared' graphics.

One guy said he wasn't impressed by the graphics of the demo game, and then someone said wait until "so and so" comes out and see if you are still complaining about graphics.

So, nice long post with no relevance, and nice unfounded "GRRR"...you should be ashamed of yourself ;)

You EEdited your Post? I swaer it was different from when I read it, but still...Xbox Fans says "Pfffft, PS3 Graphics aren't all that great" PS3 Fan say "Check this out then, TeH Aws0m2"...Before a "Mine's Better than yours" breaks out...The Xbox 360 has better Graphics.

Care to explain what each and everyone one of those numbers mean or are you just doing what school boys do to their dicks and see which are bigger?

Ok, let's take a look at the Vertex Shader Processing.

The 360 uses 48 Unified Pipe Lines when displaying an Enviroment/Object, each contains 125,000,000, the PS3 just has 1Billion Verticles per Second to display over the whole Screen. This is one of the main reasons the 360 can output so much damn detail. And even if the PS3 was capable of these Shaders with it's RSX, it still wouldn't be able to use it all with it's lack of RAM.

So, yeah, the 360 has the bigger Penis...

[ROFLcopterPILOT]

Nice of you to remember the name of the game, before you review it.


I wasn't really doing a thorough review, I was just giving my opinion.

Where have you been the last year?

I guess I suck. I don't even remember them going away from the boomerang controller.


/sucks at life

[Not Registered]

I played the PS3 also, it wasn't that great. I wasn't "wowed" by any means, it honestly looked like a 360 game. It was the racing game also. It was a little funny because they put the 360 and the PS3 right next to eachother, but they used the worn out screen from 360 launch next to the brand new ps3 display and that's what made the biggest graphical difference. The screen was nice, new, and very bright while the 360 display was really dark.

I still love my 360, it looks great on the 61inch DLP tv. I think I might pick up wii just for when I have people over since it's easy to pick up and play.

[kledster]

I still love my 360, it looks great on the 61inch DLP tv. I think I might pick up wii just for when I have people over since it's easy to pick up and play.

jesus christ, dude. that must be an insane tv.

[SatanTheSith]

I hope to get one of these next year or the year after when some good games are out and the price drops SUBSTANTIALY

[rand0m]

Ok, let's take a look at the Vertex Shader Processing.

The 360 uses 48 Unified Pipe Lines when displaying an Enviroment/Object, each contains 125,000,000, the PS3 just has 1Billion Verticles per Second to display over the whole Screen. This is one of the main reasons the 360 can output so much damn detail. And even if the PS3 was capable of these Shaders with it's RSX, it still wouldn't be able to use it all with it's lack of RAM.

Please go on ...

The way i see it, so what? the xbox360 can have a couple more shadows in its game, so what? Its about the gameplay and support you get for them.

Sure the PS3 controller might not have a brilliant motion sensing controller, but at least it has it, and it can be used.

Sure the PS3 might charge you for downloading extra content, however you can also download Mods for your games, you can also use Linex on it, you can also use a mouse and keyboard, you can also add any harddrive you want to it, you can also play whatever you want on it.

Sure PS3 might have slightly inferor graphics, however no one really knows what the Cell Proccessor is capable of, it'll take a couple of years before the programmers finally get the hang of it, then the ps3 games will get intressting.

Anyhow please contiue with what the rest of those number mean.

Edit: Did alittle reading into it, and although the Xeons has more pipelines, the RSX is clocked faster, Plus the PS3's CPU and GPU work better together than the xbox 360 CPU and GPU.

Oh xeoset you might wanna check the Clocking speeds you got for the PS3 there, im finding its actually 550Mhz

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

:blahblah:

Sure PS3 might have slightly inferor graphics, however no one really knows what the Cell Proccessor is capable of, it'll take a couple of years before the programmers finally get the hang of it, then the ps3 games will get intressting.
:blahblah:

Oh, you mean long after the third party developers have dropped the system in favor of others?

I'm such a dick.:D

[MooCowzRock]

Please go on ...

The way i see it, so what? the xbox360 can have a couple more shadows in its game, so what? Its about the gameplay and support you get for them.

Sure the PS3 controller might not have a brilliant motion sensing controller, but at least it has it, and it can be used.

Sure the PS3 might charge you for downloading extra content, however you can also download Mods for your games, you can also use Linex on it, you can also use a mouse and keyboard, you can also add any harddrive you want to it, you can also play whatever you want on it.

Sure PS3 might have slightly inferor graphics, however no one really knows what the Cell Proccessor is capable of, it'll take a couple of years before the programmers finally get the hang of it, then the ps3 games will get intressting.

Anyhow please contiue with what the rest of those number mean.

Edit: Did alittle reading into it, and although the Xeons has more pipelines, the RSX is clocked faster, Plus the PS3's CPU and GPU work better together than the xbox 360 CPU and GPU.

Oh xeoset you might wanna check the Clocking speeds you got for the PS3 there, im finding its actually 550Mhz

Except you should ignore the biased BS he just posted and remember that GPUs for both systems produce almost exactly the same graphics. And you are right about the PS3 CPU-GPU working together better. The Cell is able to lend some of its processing power to the GPU when it needs it, boosting the graphical rendering a lot.

And dont belittle the sixaxis controller...That adds so many possible games for the PS3 that wouldnt be as interesting or possible for the 360. Dual analog, gyroscopic, and motion sensing, plus all the satndard buttons all in a simple controller makes it the most capable controller there is.

No matter how you look at it, the PS3 is worth the extra 100 dollars.

[Turbocharger]

This is fun. It's like watching two groups of 4th graders trying to impress one-another.

Anyone like some popcorn?

[Rootraz]

Except you should ignore the biased BS he just posted and remember that GPUs for both systems produce almost exactly the same graphics. And you are right about the PS3 CPU-GPU working together better. The Cell is able to lend some of its processing power to the GPU when it needs it, boosting the graphical rendering a lot.

And dont belittle the sixaxis controller...That adds so many possible games for the PS3 that wouldnt be as interesting or possible for the 360. Dual analog, gyroscopic, and motion sensing, plus all the satndard buttons all in a simple controller makes it the most capable controller there is.

No matter how you look at it, the PS3 is worth the extra 100 dollars.


QFT

Also I'd like to add the Blu-Ray Disc with the powerful Cell Processer make games like Warhawk possible with little to no lag

[2000 civic si]

Here's some funny shit, My job is near Target, like right down the street, Well as I was coming home today, their were tints and people all lined up already, It's just 4 o'clock in the afternoon, I was like damn. There were like a good 30 some odd people out their, But here's whats funny, Their only selling 10 ps3's. LOL. The local wal mart is only selling 10 too, so i was like wtf are they still doing waiting knowing that only 10 of them will get one.

[SatanTheSith]

Here's some funny shit, My job is near Target, like right down the street, Well as I was coming home today, their were tints and people all lined up already, It's just 4 o'clock in the afternoon, I was like damn. There were like a good 30 some odd people out their, But here's whats funny, Their only selling 10 ps3's. LOL. The local wal mart is only selling 10 too, so i was like wtf are they still doing waiting knowing that only 10 of them will get one.

The one in the tint should definatly get one

[camjoe87]

I played the PS3 also, it wasn't that great. I wasn't "wowed" by any means, it honestly looked like a 360 game. It wasn't supposed to really look that much better than a 360 in the first place. No surprise here.

[Pillow]

Here's some funny shit, My job is near Target, like right down the street, Well as I was coming home today, their were tints and people all lined up already, It's just 4 o'clock in the afternoon, I was like damn. There were like a good 30 some odd people out their, But here's whats funny, Their only selling 10 ps3's. LOL. The local wal mart is only selling 10 too, so i was like wtf are they still doing waiting knowing that only 10 of them will get one.

The credit card companies/banks could all go bankrupt, leaving only the few with cash to buy the PS3.



If only...
*DENIED*

[AsHopeDies]

I didn't get to play it but I saw it being played...thought it was quite stunning visually to be honest with you. Looked like it was on a 1080p television though.

[MooCowzRock]

DUDE!!! I got to try out Motorstorm today and it was fucking awesome! I thought it was going to be boring and average, but I have to admit, I'm tempted to buy it myself now!

Graphically, the game was average, like most games on the 360. It was not superior, not inferior by any means also...The canyons were beautifully rendered, though. The vehicle styles felt a little arcady, but overall most of them were really neat.

The explosions from heavy impacts were really neat, filled with nice particle effects and everything....The track design was varied and different. It wasnt like a silid, consistent track like most games in the genre, there were unexpected jumps and cliffs and ravines that you had to jump or dodge...my heart dropped for just a second when I took a jump in a dirtbike, realized the short landing area before a sharp turn with a cliff at the end, making me reflexively turn and try and sideways brake, sliding, tilted on my side to just barely touch the edge of the cliff and keep racing on...fun as hell.

The physics were really good, too. Truning felt responsive and accurate, I felt much like I was on a dirt road...

One awesome feature as seen in the original trailer was the first-person perspective, which was awesome, especially for the dunebuggies...More limited vision, but it added a LOT to the effect...

Now for my most favorite part....The six-axis controller....You could pause the game and move the steering controls from the analog stick......to the gyroscopic sensor! You could play while tilting the controller to steer! The controls for that were surpringly clean and easy to use...It was honestly easier to control that Excite Truck for the Wii, but I dont know whether to credit that to the Wii itself or crap designing of the game Excite Truck itself...

All I have to say, is that the PS3 demo completely destroyed the Wii demo, with the same concept in the game...

The PS3 offroading game was graphically superior, by a LOT, the controls were just as good, if not BETTER, There was a lot more variety in the environment and the explosion effects......Motorstorm delivered a million times better than Excite Truck....

Honestly, I was beginning to have doubts about getting a PS3, or even just its superiority to the other systems, but that doubt has been COMPLETELY removed! Sony delivered, in every aspect....

To be honest, I think some games would pwn on the PS3 over the 360....I cant even IMAGINE what Gears of War would be like on the PS3....Imagine instead of having to use the a button and analog stick to do a combat roll to the side, and just twisting the controller quickly to the side to do it, or popping the controller up to jump a barrier, or ever jebbing the controller forward to roll, or melee an enemy...Imagine using it to aim......

Man, there are so many possibilities....The PS3 is definitely the ultimate system...Its got just as much, if not more power than the 360, along with the awesome graphics, the controller of the Wii, HD movies right out of the box, etc, etc ,etc.......

For just a hundred dollars more than the 360 with MUCH more to offer? God I'm gald I didnt break and get a 360...

[IGneois]

Did some hardcore PS3 playing at walmart today....the basketball game was lame...but looked nice..lame ..but looked nice.....

ill be standing at walmart for my wii in 22 hours

[silverspade14]

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I dont know if you realised it but it sounded like someone paid you to make that post. It was pretty hilarious. Especialy the motion sensing thing with Gears of War. Seeing as how the PS3 doesn't have enough memory for Gears of War. And the fact it would get old sitting there "jebbing" with the controller.

[MooCowzRock]

I dont know if you realised it but it sounded like someone paid you to make that post. It was pretty hilarious. Especialy the motion sensing thing with Gears of War. Seeing as how the PS3 doesn't have enough memory for Gears of War. And the fact it would get old sitting there "jebbing" with the controller.

Dude, I'm telling you, it was THAT awesome....

And how the fuck doesnt the PS3 have enough memory to handle GoW???


And you dont have to use the motion-sensing if you dont want to. It is completely optional, meaning the option is there if you want to, which, it is pretty awesome.

So dont say anything more until you have actually tried it...

[silverspade14]

Dude, I'm telling you, it was THAT awesome....

And how the fuck doesnt the PS3 have enough memory to handle GoW???


And you dont have to use the motion-sensing if you dont want to. It is completely optional, meaning the option is there if you want to, which, it is pretty awesome.

So dont say anything more until you have actually tried it...

CliffyB pretty much told Msoft to have 512 Ram so that Gears of war could be as good as possible. PS3 only has 256 MB and cliffyb has said that it wouldnt work on that.

[clutch-monkey]

i heard the processors on the PS3 are setup badly for AI? can anyone who played PS3 confirm what the AI was like?

[MooCowzRock]

CliffyB pretty much told Msoft to have 512 Ram so that Gears of war could be as good as possible. PS3 only has 256 MB and cliffyb has said that it wouldnt work on that.

Wrong, the PS3's ram is split up into two 256mbs of RAM, from two different sources. I dont feel like explaining how it works, but there are a lot of advantages to splitting up. It would be completely possible to put GoW on the PS3. Not to mention the PS3 comes with a STANDARD ard-drive, so they could take advantage of that, something developers are completely limited in doing to the 360 because they have to take into consideration the core 360 owners.....

[esruC]

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5838/wiiay5.jpg

That is all.

[silverspade14]

Wrong, the PS3's ram is split up into two 256mbs of RAM, from two different sources. I dont feel like explaining how it works, but there are a lot of advantages to splitting up. It would be completely possible to put GoW on the PS3. Not to mention the PS3 comes with a STANDARD ard-drive, so they could take advantage of that, something developers are completely limited in doing to the 360 because they have to take into consideration the core 360 owners.....

It's not complicated to explain how the PS3's RAM is split up. 256 is regular memory and then 256 is video memory. 360 has 512 regular memory and then either 256 or 512 video memory, I can't remember.

[MooCowzRock]

It's not complicated to explain how the PS3's RAM is split up. 256 is regular memory and then 256 is video memory. 360 has 512 regular memory and then either 256 or 512 video memory, I can't remember.

It uses the 512 for both, so it will split up for either. The 360 is set up to allow one to take more if one needs it, but then the other ends up slacking. On the PS3, it just limits it for both so neither is ever forced under 256. Both have certain advantages, but neither is superior over the other.

So, it can dedicate both to GoW, and run it just as well on the PS3. People just dont do their research, and trust what Microsoft and other 360 fanboys tell them...

[rand0m]

i heard the processors on the PS3 are setup badly for AI? can anyone who played PS3 confirm what the AI was like?

Thats is 100% wrong.
No doubt you heard that off some xbox360 fan.

In fact the Cell Proccessor should actually be better at AI.

[kledster]

In fact the Cell Proccessor should actually be better at AI.

that's a fact? no one knows until we get our hands on the games.

jade raymond was discussing assasins creed at a press conference last month and she said the AI in assasins creed will be better in the 360 version than the PS3 version. we'll see how big this difference is that she's talking about. only time will tell.

[xeoset]

Thats is 100% wrong.
No doubt you heard that off some xbox360 fan.

In fact the Cell Proccessor should actually be better at AI.

Wrong.

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

While VERY Close, the PS3 is inferior in almost all aspects thanks to:

1) Architecture
2) Internal Setup

If Sony hadn't of fucked up on those 2 aspects, the PS3 could of been a Trojan compared to the 360, but unfortuanatly falls flat on it's face thanks to it's designers.

[clutch-monkey]

Wrong.

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

While VERY Close, the PS3 is inferior in almost all aspects thanks to:

1) Architecture
2) Internal Setup

If Sony hadn't of fucked up on those 2 aspects, the PS3 could of been a Trojan compared to the 360, but unfortuanatly falls flat on it's face thanks to it's designers.

thanks xeoset
rand0m, i heard it off a PC friend who does some sort of software engineering work :confused: he started talking about chips etc and lost me, but the gist was that the PS3 will have dumber AI/harder to program AI for

[rand0m]

Yes that is one way of looking at it, however the other way of looking at AI, is that the code is still the same, and both Proccessors can run the code. Yes i was wrong about the Cell processor been better for AI in games.

So unless the xbox360 processor can make things up for itself, then the AI will both be the same.

[OLIAX]

Maybe, but I wasnt much impressed with the 360 launch titles either (except for COD2). We just have to give Ps3 game developers more time.

I wasn't impressed with the xbox360 period I have 2 of them but it's just like a normal xbox not much of a leap if you ask me

[xeoset]

Yes that is one way of looking at it, however the other way of looking at AI, is that the code is still the same, and both Proccessors can run the code. Yes i was wrong about the Cell processor been better for AI in games.

So unless the xbox360 processor can make things up for itself, then the AI will both be the same.

Did you even read what I wrote, or even read the Article?

The 360 IS better at AI, by quite a bit actually. It's all in the Article.

[rand0m]

... yeah i did read the article, and yes it was very good.

However like i said, unless the xbox 360 makes up new code, the AI will be the same. That is of course assuming the xbox360 and PS3 games are ports of each other.

[paranoia]

I wasn't impressed with the xbox360 period I have 2 of them but it's just like a normal xbox not much of a leap if you ask me

Just curious, but why do you need 2 xbox 360's?

[ConanTL]

The only launch title that lured me in was Halo 1. THATS IT

Xbox360 had a piss poor showing besides CoD2.

Actually, Cameo and Project Gotham Racing were great launch titles as well.

[MooCowzRock]

Wrong.

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

While VERY Close, the PS3 is inferior in almost all aspects thanks to:

1) Architecture
2) Internal Setup

If Sony hadn't of fucked up on those 2 aspects, the PS3 could of been a Trojan compared to the 360, but unfortuanatly falls flat on it's face thanks to it's designers.

Thats the ONLY problem, and the only time you'll see it is the first year or so of the generation. Once developers have the feel for the cell, they are able to do more with it and produce more powerful games than the 360.

So yeah, while it is complicated to design for because it is infamiliar, it is much more powerful, so the developers just need some time and the PS3 will surpass the 360.Actually, Cameo and Project Gotham Racing were great launch titles as well.

I wouldnt say so at all....PGR was alright, but Kameo sucked so bad....It is one of the least played games at the lan center I work at....People pick it up, and ALWAYS bring in back within 20 minutes to get something better....

[xeoset]

Thats the ONLY problem, and the only time you'll see it is the first year or so of the generation. Once developers have the feel for the cell, they are able to do more with it and produce more powerful games than the 360.

So yeah, while it is complicated to design for because it is infamiliar, it is much more powerful, so the developers just need some time and the PS3 will surpass the 360.


Seriously, if you have NO idea what you're talking about, then don't pretend you do.

STOP making excuses about developers not having enough time with the Cell Chip. Developers have been developing on the Cell Chip for almost over a year and a half. An SPE is an SPE no matter what the clock speed is, programming is the same. These kits also used older nVidia cards, all the tech was basically the same but slower..

The 360, on the other hand, had dual single thread G5s running at 2.8 GHz while using an old ass ATI card that WASN'T unified shader architecture.

Going from 2 cores and 2 threads to 3 cores and 6 threads is a much bigger task than going from 5 SPE's at 2.7ghz to 5 SPE's at 3.2ghz. As with the GPU, going from an older nVidia card with similar architecture is MUCH easier then going from an older ATI GPU with dedicated shader architecture to a vastly new technology that is composed of a unified shader architecture and equipped with the eDRAM.

Once both the PS3 and 360 fully harness AI somewhere in the 3.2Ghz of their Cores/SPE's only the 360 will get better thanks to the PS3's Bottleneck, which will happen before the end of the 2nd Fiscal Year (DEC '07), leaving the 360 at the Top of the Graphical/Performance Chart.
But knowing Sony they'll release every Shade, Tone and Colour known to man and hopefully change what they fucked up...But I doubt it.

EDIT: And if your wondering what I'm talking about, it's the 360/PS3 Dev Kits.

[MooCowzRock]

Seriously, if you have NO idea what you're talking about, then don't pretend you do.

STOP making excuses about developers not having enough time with the Cell Chip. Developers have been developing on the Cell Chip for almost over a year and a half. An SPE is an SPE no matter what the clock speed is, programming is the same. These kits also used older nVidia cards, all the tech was basically the same but slower..

The 360, on the other hand, had dual single thread G5s running at 2.8 GHz while using an old ass ATI card that WASN'T unified shader architecture.

Going from 2 cores and 2 threads to 3 cores and 6 threads is a much bigger task than going from 5 SPE's at 2.7ghz to 5 SPE's at 3.2ghz. As with the GPU, going from an older nVidia card with similar architecture is MUCH easier then going from an older ATI GPU with dedicated shader architecture to a vastly new technology that is composed of a unified shader architecture and equipped with the eDRAM.

Once both the PS3 and 360 fully harness AI somewhere in the 3.2Ghz of their Cores/SPE's only the 360 will get better thanks to the PS3's Bottleneck, which will happen before the end of the 2nd Fiscal Year (DEC '07), leaving the 360 at the Top of the Graphical/Performance Chart.
But knowing Sony they'll release every Shade, Tone and Colour known to man and hopefully change what they fucked up...But I doubt it.

EDIT: And if your wondering what I'm talking about, it's the 360/PS3 Dev Kits.

Dude, saying they arent going to get better at it doesnt make it true. They have only been working on it for about a year and a half, while developers have been working on the 360 for over a year longer....yet the games on both systems look just as well.

And there is no real bottleneck for the PS3, stop spouting Microsoft's bs. Everywhere the PS3 supposedly bottlenecks, it compensates in other areas that make it just as good as the 360 in each sense.

You guys scream 512 RAM, we reply, 2x 256.

You guys scream 2x faster dvd, we reply standard hard-drive.

You guys scream poor architecture, we reply faster processor.


All in all, both have their different advantages. However, while the PS3 is probably going to end up looking almost identical(no less) to the 360 in every aspect of the graphics and power, it is $100 more, yet comes with a standard hd which dont limit developers to have to make games taking into consideration a system without one, they have standard hd movies, they have 2hdmi support, they have the six-axis controller (which I would gladly pay 100 dollars more for itself!), it has free online gaming, bluray movies which can hold many more features(and for a movie fanatic like me and my friends, that is perfect), etc, etc....

For 100 dollars more, you are getting a 360 with much much more. You dont want those awesome features? Whatever, buy a 360. But dont try and claim that the 360 is actually better than the PS3, because you are trying to argue something you know is wrong.

[xeoset]

while developers have been working on the 360 for over a year longer

I stopped reading there.

Like I said before, don't comment on something you obviously don't know.

The PS3 used the same Processor/SPE in their 2005 + 2006 Dev Kit, which is now their Final Product, they've had almost 2 years developing on the Processor.

The 360's Dev Kit at the 2005 E3 used the just 2 Cores + 2 Threads, while their Final Product, 6 months later, uses 3 Cores + 6 Threads. The 360's Games that came out in the first 3 months were first designed for the 2 Cores and had to be rushed to 3 Cores, hence incompleted Games (Enchanted Arms, came out in Japan in the first months of the 360). So they only had 6 Months Practice with the Xenon before the Console Release.

CELL - 1.5/2 Years
Xenon - Now 2 years

Why do you think all 360/PS3 Games look so similar? Because both Processors have had the same lifespan, but because of Architecture, the 360's Processors is currently performing the best (Look at the Reviews on Sites, the 360/PS3 Multi.Plats are getting Higher Scores on their 360 Counterparts because of Framerates and such).
Give it 1/1.5 Years and the PS3 will bottleneck.

[MooCowzRock]

I stopped reading there.

Like I said before, don't comment on something you obviously don't know.

The PS3 used the same Processor/SPE in their 2005 + 2006 Dev Kit, which is now their Final Product, they've had almost 2 years developing on the Processor.

The 360's Dev Kit at the 2005 E3 used the just 2 Cores + 2 Threads, while their Final Product, 6 months later, uses 3 Cores + 6 Threads. The 360's Games that came out in the first 3 months were first designed for the 2 Cores and had to be rushed to 3 Cores, hence incompleted Games (Enchanted Arms, came out in Japan in the first months of the 360). So they only had 6 Months Practice with the Xenon before the Console Release.

CELL - 1.5/2 Years
Xenon - Now 2 years

Why do you think all 360/PS3 Games look so similar? Because both Processors have had the same lifespan, but because of Architecture, the 360's Processors is currently performing the best (Look at the Reviews on Sites, the 360/PS3 Multi.Plats are getting Higher Scores on their 360 Counterparts because of Framerates and such).
Give it 1/1.5 Years and the PS3 will bottleneck.

Go ahead and ignore the rest of my post, and also go ahead and ignore the fact that the PS3 hasnt even officially come out yet, and there are not even a dozen games reviewed or or had the final version played.

Either way, the PS3 may be harder to work on at first, but it IS more powerful. You just arent giving developers enough credit. Your problem is you dont think they will figure it out in a year or so.

Now, I dont have any experience in designing games around different styles of processors, and neither do you. But going from what I have read from people that do, such as the reviewer I think you linked to earlier, developers will figure it out in time. For now, the graphics are going to be at least as good as the 360s.

By the way, have you even played a PS3 yet?

[Wu-tang]

I went to wal-mart today and played Motorstorm...It..was sweet.

[xeoset]

Either way, the PS3 may be harder to work on at first, but it IS more powerful.


I know it's more powerful, I never said it was inferior. I said the PS3 was inferior, which it is.

What you fail to comprehend is the way the interior of the PS3 is set up, they've made the inside of the system difficult to work, It's hard to explain but if you build Computers, you'd understand that different set-ups within the machine (not the components, but say, a Water-Cooling System) can make it Faster and more Efficient, or make it lack, which is the main difference between the PS3 and 360.


Now, I dont have any experience in designing games around different styles of processors, and neither do you. But going from what I have read from people that do, such as the reviewer I think you linked to earlier, developers will figure it out in time. For now, the graphics are going to be at least as good as the 360s.


How do you know I don't design Games?

And the 360's Graphics Card is ALOT better than the PS3's RSX. I'll find the Specs if you wish to be an arsehole.


By the way, have you even played a PS3 yet?

I live in England, the PS3 won't be over here for another 6 months.

[Canty]

/\

Are you Bill Gates?

[xeoset]

/\

Are you Bill Gates?

:wave: ...

[Madthief]

Correct me if I'm wrong but....
PS3: $600
A TV that will take full advantage of the PS3's potential: $3,000
Comfortable gaming chair: $400
Motocross game: $60

That comes out to a little more than $4,000. Uhh.... I have a real dirtbike that I'd be willing to sell for four grand. Its a Yamaha 120cc. I'm not sure the exact specs, as I'm not very good at these technical things, but the graphics are absolutely amazing. It's pretty much as good as it gets, short of having surgery done on your eyes. The trees are all wonderfully rendered, and you can see individual pieces of sand on the ground! You can see a puff of exhaust when you start the bike, and you can see all the scratches on the fenders. Apparently if you crash it, the new scratches will stay on the bike forever, even after you go to a different track.

I've never had any trouble with lag, and the physics engines are flawless. The dev teams say that you can use it with as many other people as you want and there will never be any lag! Imagine being able to ride with hundreds of different people at the same time!

The audio is so great. The bike sounds very real, and if you need an oil change, or if your compression is bad you can actually hear the difference! You can hear the tires on the dirt, and if you screw up a jump and bottom out your shocks, you can hear a loud thunk. You can even hear it over-rev if you downshift when you are going too fast, and you can hear it clunk and grind if you shift without fully disengaging the clutch.

It responds so well to different road conditions. If you are driving on a rough road, you can actually feel the vibrations! And if you hit something, you go flying off the bike and roll and slide on the ground. It gets your adrenaline pumping really good too! When I hit a jump, I can feel my heartrate speed up, and I can feel my stomach dropping away. My eyes get really wide, and I start to sweat. When you drive fast on a narrow trail, you feel like if you miss a turn and hit a tree, it will actually hurt!

The tracks are so cool. They were designed really well, but if you don't feel like driving on a track, you can go anywhere! I mean you can drive through the trees and through fields. You can even drive through city streets if you want. If you do drive through the city, the AI on the police cars that chase you is so good. They adapt to different things you do, and they bring in backup and use different tactics to try to catch you!

It has insane replayability as well. I've had the same bike for years and it hasn't ever gotten boring. In fact, I can honestly say that I have had more fun with this bike than any game I've ever played on any console. Even the next gen consoles! You should seriously consider getting one. Besides, I don't know why, but chicks think its cool if you can to a backflip on a dirtbike, even when they don't think its cool that you can complete COD3 on hard mode :confused:

[Pillow]

^^^ I believe you saved this thread.

[Madthief]

^^^ I believe you saved this thread.

Actually I think I just made fun of every person in this entire sub-forum. Seriously though guys, go outside.

[Jatt4Life]

Correct me if I'm wrong but....
PS3: $600
A TV that will take full advantage of the PS3's potential: $3,000
Comfortable gaming chair: $400
Motocross game: $60

That comes out to a little more than $4,000. Uhh.... I have a real dirtbike that I'd be willing to sell for four grand. Its a Yamaha 120cc. I'm not sure the exact specs, as I'm not very good at these technical things, but the graphics are absolutely amazing. It's pretty much as good as it gets, short of having surgery done on your eyes. The trees are all wonderfully rendered, and you can see individual pieces of sand on the ground! You can see a puff of exhaust when you start the bike, and you can see all the scratches on the fenders. Apparently if you crash it, the new scratches will stay on the bike forever, even after you go to a different track.

I've never had any trouble with lag, and the physics engines are flawless. The dev teams say that you can use it with as many other people as you want and there will never be any lag! Imagine being able to ride with hundreds of different people at the same time!

The audio is so great. The bike sounds very real, and if you need an oil change, or if your compression is bad you can actually hear the difference! You can hear the tires on the dirt, and if you screw up a jump and bottom out your shocks, you can hear a loud thunk. You can even hear it over-rev if you downshift when you are going too fast, and you can hear it clunk and grind if you shift without fully disengaging the clutch.

It responds so well to different road conditions. If you are driving on a rough road, you can actually feel the vibrations! And if you hit something, you go flying off the bike and roll and slide on the ground. It gets your adrenaline pumping really good too! When I hit a jump, I can feel my heartrate speed up, and I can feel my stomach dropping away. My eyes get really wide, and I start to sweat. When you drive fast on a narrow trail, you feel like if you miss a turn and hit a tree, it will actually hurt!

The tracks are so cool. They were designed really well, but if you don't feel like driving on a track, you can go anywhere! I mean you can drive through the trees and through fields. You can even drive through city streets if you want. If you do drive through the city, the AI on the police cars that chase you is so good. They adapt to different things you do, and they bring in backup and use different tactics to try to catch you!

It has insane replayability as well. I've had the same bike for years and it hasn't ever gotten boring. In fact, I can honestly say that I have had more fun with this bike than any game I've ever played on any console. Even the next gen consoles! You should seriously consider getting one. Besides, I don't know why, but chicks think its cool if you can to a backflip on a dirtbike, even when they don't think its cool that you can complete COD3 on hard mode :confused:

^^^ This is fucking funny.:)

[MegaSuperdude]

All I know is:
PS3: 40 people online
360: 8 people online

[xeoset]

All I know is:
PS3: 40 people online
360: 8 people online

It depends on what the Devs. want. With the amount of Bandwidth running through the 360 alone you could have 50 Vs. 50 Clan Battles, with obvious Lag Spikes, but that is impossible on the PS3.

But don't forget this either, just because it has more players in one match, doesn't make it any better:

Halo 2 Multi > CoD3 Multi.
GoW Multi > Halo 2 Multi.

[Kageru]

Ps3 is stronger than the 360, all because of the Cell processor. Simple as that.

[Pillow]

Ps3 is stronger than the 360, all because of the Cell processor. Simple as that.

Well I am stronger than both, because I HAVE zeeee moose-eels.

[Madthief]

It depends on what the Devs. want. With the amount of Bandwidth running through the 360 alone you could have 50 Vs. 50 Clan Battles, with obvious Lag Spikes, but that is impossible on the PS3.

But don't forget this either, just because it has more players in one match, doesn't make it any better:

Halo 2 Multi > CoD3 Multi.
GoW Multi > Halo 2 Multi.

Having sex with multiple girls > "killing" multiple "people" on a television screen.

[MooCowzRock]

I live in England, the PS3 won't be over here for another 6 months.

So then why the fuck are you saying anything???

[Madthief]

Clicky (http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/johnanddave/20061118.shtml)

Ahahahaha. Saddest part is that some people would probably be willing to pay for a PS3 that way.

[xeoset]

Ps3 is stronger than the 360, all because of the Cell processor. Simple as that.

No it fucking isn't, the CELL IS stronger, but not in the mother fucking PS3, go back and read my posts, jackoff.

So then why the fuck are you saying anything???

Because of retards in the above post force me to do it with their idiocy.

[Madthief]

No it fucking isn't, the CELL IS stronger, but not in the mother fucking PS3, go back and read my posts, jackoff.



Because of retards in the above post force me to do it with their idiocy.

If retards can actually force you to do something, simply because of their idiocy, what does that make you?

[SatanTheSith]

I find it funny the way everybody argues over 2 almost equal consols
Cant we all agree the wii sucks and get it over with?
waits to get flamed

[Liberator13]

PC Gaming > Console gaming.

[SwyfT]

PC Gaming > Console gaming.

Used to be I agree, but what was the last great game that came out for PC that wasn't for Console? I'd rather just get a console, and not have to dump $1800 every other year to play my games.

[SatanTheSith]

Used to be I agree, but what was the last great game that came out for PC that wasn't for Console? I'd rather just get a console, and not have to dump $1800 every other year to play my games.

CS:S
10pwnz

[MooCowzRock]

CS:S
10pwnz

cs is on the xbox....

And plus cs sucks bawls.

[SatanTheSith]

cs is on the xbox....

And plus cs sucks bawls.

I said CS:S not cs

different
And im gonna have to say that you have to have a taste for certain types of game (good ones) to like cs

And plus I cant wait till I get a ps3 but im not anti-everything else because of it.

I dont give a shit about dual backflip processors or quadruple mega hardware. All I care is if the grahpics are good enough to play and if the games pwn.

You dont have to write a paragraph every post that has to do with ps3