Bands that have lost their "edge" [Archive]

ConanTL

11-20-2006, 09:39 PM

OK, I'll also add which albums mark the first step "downwards". Doesn't mean that the album sucks, just where the bands took a turn for the worse.

Metallica - Black Album (great album, but clearly headed towards (Re)Load)

Blind Guardian - Nightfall in Middle Earth (great album, they just started getting carried away with the amount of tracks and their sound started becoming washy)

Cradle of Filth - Midian (steady decline since then)

Dimmu Borgir - Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia (Some good songs, but starting to get generic)

Ozzy Osbourne - Ozzmosis (Good album, but it's downhill from there)

Dobby

11-20-2006, 09:44 PM

Pearl Jam is totally irrelevant these days

Kellenator

11-20-2006, 09:47 PM

Blind Guardian - Nightfall in Middle Earth (great album, they just started getting carried away with the amount of tracks and their sound started becoming washy)
Have you heard A Twist in the Myth yet? It's much better than Nightfall in my opinion. It's no Battalions of Fear / Follow the Blind / Tales from the Twilight World, but a major step up from Nightfall and especially A Night at the Opera.

ConanTL

11-20-2006, 09:51 PM

Have you heard A Twist in the Myth yet? It's much better than Nightfall in my opinion. It's no Battalions of Fear / Follow the Blind / Tales from the Twilight World, but a major step up from Nightfall and especially A Night at the Opera.

I just purchased A Twist in the Myth last week. I'll be honest, I only gave it two listens. But I really don't like it so far. One song sounds like the next and within the songs there is not as much diverstiy as in their earlier work. I think the main problem is that the singer is starting to be quite monotenous.

What's the best track on the album in your opinion. I'll give it another chance.

Lounge Fly

11-20-2006, 10:04 PM

Stones-not a decent album since 1972.
RHCP-material since the early/mid 90's has been tame
U2-dont need to explain why

Superior_to_you

11-20-2006, 10:04 PM

Metallica - Black Album (great album, but clearly headed towards (Re)Load)

Cradle of Filth - Midian (steady decline since then)

Dimmu Borgir - Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia (Some good songs, but starting to get generic)

On the subject of Reload: Reload > Load. Why? Reload gave us Fuel and Fixxxer. Load fails and is the eptiome of suckage until St. Anger.

I really don't see why people say Midian is the beginning of Cradle suck. Bitter Suites to Succubi does suck on epic levels, but the rest of them are simply a shift in musical styles, there's nothing wrong with them. If you haven't listened to Thornography I'd suggest you do, there's another musical switch.

Dimmu Borgir, uh... I like Progenies of the Great Apocalypse... :(

ConanTL

11-20-2006, 10:10 PM

On the subject of Reload: Reload > Load. Why? Reload gave us Fuel and Fixxxer. Load fails and is the eptiome of suckage until St. Anger.

I really don't see why people say Midian is the beginning of Cradle suck. Bitter Suites to Succubi does suck on epic levels, but the rest of them are simply a shift in musical styles, there's nothing wrong with them. If you haven't listened to Thornography I'd suggest you do, there's another musical switch.

Dimmu Borgir, uh... I like Progenies of the Great Apocalypse... :(

1) Agreed Reload > Load, especially because for Unforgiven II
2) I like Bitter Suites ... haven't listened to Thornography yet though.
3) Progenies is the only really good song on the album :p

ThePope#15

11-20-2006, 10:11 PM

On the subject of Reload: Reload > Load. Why? Reload gave us Fuel and Fixxxer.
Agreed.

Reload is an awesome album. It was the first Metallica album I ever bought, that made want to look into their older stuff. It has The Unforgiven II too which fucking owns.

Edit: ^Seems as though we have the same taste in Metallica.

temp100

11-20-2006, 10:11 PM

I don't think Blind Guardian have lost their edge, but I haven't heard A Twist in the Myth yet.

Guns 'n' Roses - as stated
Incubus - Still good, they just lost that touch
Genesis
Yes
Slayer - They're improving though.
Sepultura
Queensryche
Arch Enemy
Lacrimas Profundere
Strapping Young Lad
Kreator

I Like Me

11-20-2006, 10:13 PM

ConanTL

11-20-2006, 10:18 PM

Yeah man, Blind Guardian still has it. Listen to Turn The Page or Fly. Awesome songs. Skalds And Shadows is also the shit.

And I will agree with you, the amount of tracks on Nightfall was a bit odd, but every other song or so was just some nature sounds or such, the album still had great songs on it. Nightfall, Blood Tears, Noldor, Time Stands Still, Thorn, The Eldar, When Sorrow Sang, A Dark Passage...okay hell I am not going to lie, I love that album.

However, I will not deny that their newer stuff does not quite compare to the good ol' days, but they are still amazing.

As for Hansi being monotonous:

The Eldar (http://media.putfile.com/The-Eldar)

I love Blind Guardian.

Actually when I was talking about "tracks" I was refering to the recording ... they had tons of guitars and vocals and background noises and a bunch of other stuff going on at the same time. It drowned out some of the detail every now and then.

And yeah, I'm not saying they are horrible ... they just aren't as good as they once were.

I Like Me

11-20-2006, 10:21 PM

Actually when I was talking about "tracks" I was refering to the recording ... they had tons of guitars and vocals and background noises and a bunch of other stuff going on at the same time. It drowned out some of the detail every now and then.

And yeah, I'm not saying they are horrible ... they just aren't as good as they once were.

Oh, I understand. I guess I can see your point. Personally, I have always loved their slower/acoustic songs the most. Along with Demons & Wizards. Now listen to Turn The Page and tell me it isn't insanely sexy. Haha. But seriously, it's an awesome song.

Superior_to_you

11-20-2006, 10:28 PM

1) Agreed Reload > Load, especially because for Unforgiven II
2) I like Bitter Suites ... haven't listened to Thornography yet though.
3) Progenies is the only really good song on the album :p

If I say anything by Cradle sucks, it means I still love it. Just not that much. I'm tracking down a couple more of their demo songs now. =) Got Invoking the Unclean and Orgiastic Pleasures Foul.

Only two songs I can't stand and truly refuse to listen to are those fucking dance remixes. :mad:

Kellenator

11-20-2006, 10:30 PM

I just purchased A Twist in the Myth last week. I'll be honest, I only gave it two listens. But I really don't like it so far. One song sounds like the next and within the songs there is not as much diverstiy as in their earlier work. I think the main problem is that the singer is starting to be quite monotenous.

What's the best track on the album in your opinion. I'll give it another chance.
"This Will Never End", "Otherland", and "Lionheart" are my favorites. The album does seem a bit over-produced, though.

Wurby Tictoc

11-20-2006, 11:40 PM

U2: They weren't that incredible to begin with, but their old stuff sounds amazing compared to the shit they've been putting out recently. Not to mention their hawking of iPods and Bono's ego.

Our Lady Peace: Last album was disappointing but still okay. Raine's voice doesn't have the same edge it once had, and I hate when bands start getting political and into charities and causes and stuff.

tripb19

11-21-2006, 02:31 AM

Dream Theater :(

Henkie

11-21-2006, 04:22 AM

I agree with Metallica, I still like Reload and even Load wasn't all that bad, but St. Anger was just terrible.

Guns 'n Roses, obviously.

I heard Queen still does performances, without Freddy, which can't be any good.

a7x1337

11-21-2006, 08:50 AM

Dream Theater :(
i am led to disagree

tripb19

11-21-2006, 08:58 AM

i am led to disagree

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I think 8vm was one of the most disappointing albums ever, and I fkn love Dream Theater.

Daucus Karota

11-21-2006, 09:49 AM

Christian Death(Valor Kand is pissing on Rozz memory)
Mötley Crüe(havent released a good album since Shout At The Devil)
Alice Cooper

Rev'd_Flasher

11-21-2006, 10:03 AM

Deep Purple (hate to say it, but yeah...) No Blackmore, Gillan's more or less lost his voice and they haven't released a decent album in years.
Ritchie Blackmore - he's sort of become a bad parody of himself in recent years.

And I agree with everybody that's said Metallica, Van Halen, GnR, Rolling Stones etc.

wrathchild

11-21-2006, 10:25 AM

Deep Purple (hate to say it, but yeah...) No Blackmore, Gillan's more or less lost his voice and they haven't released a decent album in years.
What exactly is wrong with their new stuff? (I havn't heard any of it).

I'm tempted to say Iced Earth, but I think their last album was just a little slip. Their next albums is shaping up to be awesome.
Megadeth. They havn't completely lost their edge, but they probably aren't capable of anything like their first 4 albums anymore. I'm still waiting expectantly for their new album. I hope I'm not disappointed.
Testament
Exodus
Anthrax
Rage Against the Machine (when they were around)
Soundgarden (when they were around)

For Iced Earth, Testament, Megadeth and Anthrax, I'm waiting for their new albums to see if they can pick themselves back up. Especially Testament with Alex Skolnick and Anthrax with Joey Belladonna back.

Rev'd_Flasher

11-21-2006, 11:02 AM

What exactly is wrong with their new stuff? (I havn't heard any of it).
I wouldn't say that there was anything wrong with the music, it's just that to me it feels, and sounds, like Deep Purple Lite. It's just middle of the road rock music, almost like the band aren't trying, just going through the motions... at least, that's what it sounds like to my ears.
Steve Morse is a good guitarist and he can certainly play, but he's the wrong guitarist for DP imho. Sometimes it sounds like they've got an unemotional shredder in the band, and Blackmore may have been many things, but an unemotional shredder he was not.
Gillan's voice also hasn't aged well. Give some of their later stuff a listen and judge for yourself though. Also be aware that on the album "Slaves & Masters" you've got Joe Lynn Turner doing the vocals.

ahaga

11-21-2006, 11:04 AM

Metallica, Alkaline Trio

Sander

11-21-2006, 11:59 AM

Pearl Jam is totally irrelevant these days

I would disagree. Yes there older days where better but i can bet that not a single true fan has turned away from pearl jam. There still makin frickin awsome music.

Plus eddie was in his 20's (?) back then when he was jumpin off stages and singing like a manly angel and now he must be in his late 30's or early 40's.

Jollyrodger

11-21-2006, 12:04 PM

The Fall have been making rubbish records for years. Unless you count the ones which were OK. But I'm not because they are not as good as the good ones

Lounge Fly

11-21-2006, 12:16 PM

The Fall have been making rubbish records for years. Unless you count the ones which were OK. But I'm not because they are not as good as the good ones

They are a band you either consider genius or a pile of shit.

slapnpopbass

11-21-2006, 12:55 PM

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I think 8vm was one of the most disappointing albums ever, and I fkn love Dream Theater.

Octavarium went back to their roots as prog, reminds me of Images and Words. Octavarium is just a stark change to 6doit and train of thought. I stayed up till 2 am last night watching live at budokan and im not dissapointed.

sparrky

11-21-2006, 01:17 PM

I loved Octavarium at first, then slowly started to dislike it, now i love it again.
I just love how much variety there is between each DT album, theres something for every mood i'm in.

Solaris

11-21-2006, 01:35 PM

I pretty much followed the same trend as you sparrky, and I don't know how you can say Dream Theater have lost their edge, they're still as sharp now as they ever were.

On topic:

Clawfinger, doubt if anyone would have heard of them, but I'm not too into their new album.
Megadeth - Haven't quite liked their newer stuff as much as I have their old stuff, which is classic.
Metallica - been discussed already
Disturbed - Was into their first album and to an extent their second album, but not so much into Ten Thousand Fists - too much of a political album

tripb19

11-21-2006, 07:02 PM

Octavarium went back to their roots as prog, reminds me of Images and Words. Octavarium is just a stark change to 6doit and train of thought. I stayed up till 2 am last night watching live at budokan and im not dissapointed.

How did they go back to their roots as prog? I can understand how the last track, Octavarium, was stylistically 70's prog-influenced, but I can't see how the rest is back to their roots :confuzed:

Superior_to_you

11-21-2006, 11:36 PM

Disturbed - Was into their first album and to an extent their second album, but not so much into Ten Thousand Fists - too much of a political album

It's like "We know you hate Bush already. Just shut the fuck up."

Plus every song on it sounds the same.

Wozza

11-22-2006, 04:06 PM

Whaaaat

Metallica Load album is pretty dam good!

Hero of the day
Mama said

are especially good.

BrainStew

11-22-2006, 04:52 PM

Lounge Fly

11-22-2006, 08:41 PM

Misfits.

They have always sucked.

MiKe

11-23-2006, 12:55 PM

Misfits. I'm surprised there's not one Misfits reply in 2 and a half pages. Anyway, of course, after Danzig left, they really weren't the same band anymore. Granted, I do like Famous Monsters and American Psycho, it's just not quite 100% Misfits.

I saw the Misfits live last year (in April I think) and despite the changing lineup, they still rock. When I saw them, they had Dez from Black Flag on guitar, I forgot the drummer's name, and Jerry Only on bass/vocals.
I'm not the long-time diehard fan that so many people are, but as a first impression they still fuckin own.
But yes, the Danzig days are by far the best.

Also for this thread:
Slayer
Metallica
Iron Maiden
Incubus

Lounge Fly

11-23-2006, 01:52 PM

I saw the Misfits live last year (in April I think) and despite the changing lineup, they still rock. When I saw them, they had Dez from Black Flag on guitar, I forgot the drummer's name, and Jerry Only on bass/vocals.
I'm not the long-time diehard fan that so many people are, but as a first impression they still fuckin own.
But yes, the Danzig days are by far the best.

Also for this thread:
Slayer
Metallica
Iron Maiden
Incubus

Maiden's new CD is good, although i did not like DoD.

Natedawg1848

11-23-2006, 02:27 PM

Loungefly, Where are you from?

th3_n33ms

11-23-2006, 02:29 PM

IMO Metallica lost their "edge" AT the Black album. Compare the Black album with And Justice For All and its obvious that they got really different, And Justice For All was pretty much filled with like old style Metallica songs (One, Eye of the Beholder, Harvester of Sorrow, ext) then with the Black album you got a bunch of like soft rock songs (Unforgiven, Nothing Else Matters, ext) and the "metal" songs weren't as heavy\fast as those on the previous albums. NOT saying that Black album WASN'T good, I mean come on, who doesn't love The Unforgiven? But Metallica lost their "edge" that got them respect in the begging. Load and ReLoad were both very good albums and Garage Inc. was pretty decent too. St. Anger was horrible, I didn't think Metallica could write that badly lol. Hopefully their new album will go back to the roots, or at least go back to Load ReLoad type style.

Avenged Sevenfold lost their "edge" after Waking the Fallen, which is both really lame and wicked fast (lost their edge on their 3rd album) After Waking the Fallen they signed with Warner (released City of Evil) and the influences of the record label are obvious in their new album, its ridiculously poppy compared to their previous albums.

GNR Fan

11-23-2006, 03:09 PM

Iron Maiden

Please explain. I think they have always put out great albums and they have never changed there style.

Lounge Fly

11-23-2006, 08:17 PM

Loungefly, Where are you from?

England

Please explain. I think they have always put out great albums and they have never changed there style.

Except as mentioned & suX Factor/Virtual XI..although all had moments..

RussianPride24

11-23-2006, 08:27 PM

Not a band, but an artist.

IMO, Eminem has lost it. His early albums had songs with crazy lyrics and his videos were pretty fun to watch. Now it's just him being featured in club bangers (smack that).

MiKe

11-23-2006, 09:42 PM

Please explain. I think they have always put out great albums and they have never changed there style.

I never said they made bad music or stopped making good albums, I just think they lost their edge. Vocals aren't as powerful as they used to be for starters.
Plus I think in general Maiden was just more agressive and unique back in the day. Now it's just like, I know when I'm hearing Maiden (even when it's a new song I never heard before), but nothing strikes me the way their old stuff did (and still does). They don't have that gigantic grand epic sounding music they used to. Their new stuff is just....rock. It's good, but it's a big step down from where they used to be.
Regardless, Iron Maiden will always have my undying adoration and respect.

æcvfootball10æ

11-23-2006, 11:17 PM

Clawfinger, doubt if anyone would have heard of them, but I'm not too into their new album.

HAHAHAHAAHHAHA. Holy shit i thought i was the only one whose ever heard of them! Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigggaaauuuuuhhhh!

The dudes in clawfinger break their backs to get the shit beat out of them (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8tMonjHMzQ)

GiveItAway

11-25-2006, 10:09 AM

Oasis. Pains me to say it but its true.

Superior_to_you

11-25-2006, 10:22 AM

Avenged Sevenfold lost their "edge" after Waking the Fallen, which is both really lame and wicked fast (lost their edge on their 3rd album) After Waking the Fallen they signed with Warner (released City of Evil) and the influences of the record label are obvious in their new album, its ridiculously poppy compared to their previous albums.

lol If anything that's when A7X became good, ditching that shitty metalcore style and making respectable music.

reigenborn

11-26-2006, 02:49 AM

Stones-not a decent album since 1972.
RHCP-material since the early/mid 90's has been tame
U2-dont need to explain why

RHCP didn't become 'tame', they just matured. There is a huge different. Their newer stuff has so much more soul in it. Don't get me wrong i love their older shit, but i think they grew out of it.