Time article announces PS3 was a "bust"

[Spence]

http://pcgames.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/10915/title/TIME_Magazine_PS3_Went_From_Buzz_to_Bust.html

The article, titled "5 Things That Went From Buzz To Bust (in 2006)" lists Snakes on a Plane, Studio 60, Bode Miller, O.J. Simpson's new book, and the PlayStation 3. On the subject of the PS3, the article reads:

"The message of this page is, Beware all hype. Here are five phenomena that captivated the media for a spell, then turned out to be less than huge. Our bad."

"The big story in computer games this year was HOW TO BLOW A HUGE LEAD, by Sony. Its PlayStation 2 was the champ in the last round of the console wars. This time Sony bet on a chip called the Cell and a disc format called Blu-ray. They're probably awesome, but how would anybody know? The PS3 is hideously expensive - it goes for up to $600 - and Sony manufactured only a piddling few hundred thousand for the U.S., fewer for Japan. Plus it's hard to write games for; the launch titles were lame. You know you're in trouble when you get beat by something called a Wii."


Dec 18, 2006


OH yeah more news supposedly no PS4 either

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162560.html

Nomura Securities' Yuta Sakurai believes the PS3 will be Sony's last console; sees Hirai appointment as Segalike shift to software.

[Papero]

Wow, what the hell? There'll be no races anymore, who has the best this, who has the best that.

I heard over and over that Wii was Nintendo's last console(not sure how true that is), now PS3 isn't doing well and PS4 looks grim.

Meh, good, Microsoft wins yet again.

[BYOB(SOAD)]

I wouldn't worry. Sony is probably going to make another console.

[Papero]

I wouldn't worry. Sony is probably going to make another console.

Sony enjoys making big, stupid moves, I wouldn't be surprised if there was no more consoles produced by them.

[ZeroTigerX]

Didn't they advertise that the last console would be a PS9?

This is really stupid. It's like releasing a new product and a day later saying, "Wow, the Xbox sold a lot more." And if the PS3 got "beat" then does that mean we should expect a next-next gen console?

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Didn't they advertise that the last console would be a PS9?

You mean the commercial where some kid cracks open a PS9 sphere and inhales some drug that sends him into a cyber trip?

This is really stupid. It's like releasing a new product and a day later saying, "Wow, the Xbox sold a lot more." And if the PS3 got "beat" then does that mean we should expect a next-next gen console?

Several analysts were extremely skeptical about any success for the PS3 before it was even released. Considering the only aspect it has going for it when it comes to the price is the Blu-Ray player, and Blu-Ray is already losing miserably to HD-dvd...

I wish I could find my first post stating that the PS3 was going to crash and burn completely, I later stated that the fan base may pull it through, but I guess even they weren't stupid enough to blow half a grand on a console.

There is a whole lot pointing in the direction of the PS3 being Sony's final console. Ken being promoted out of the project, the PS3 being a 10 year plan.

Sony should step back, reconsider Blu-Ray. The most expensive part in all of it is the Blu-Ray player, which is proving to be a huge bust. What if they removed that, and opted for something cheaper, a dvd drive instead? It might sound like a bad move at first, but production would drop in price drastically, and they'd still be able to create quality games.

Edit:

Ah, and of course... Moo, before you spew some more of your nonsense, think about who you'll be arguing against this time. Do you really think you know more than Time Magazine? I mean, the simple fact that they had something bad to say about the PS3 will drastically hurt it's sells. If you must, go ahead. Open your mouth, and let the stupidity pour out. It won't be much longer now.

Of course, you could try to hold on to whatever dignity you have left, and admit the truth, the PS3 is a bust. At this point, if you still want to call me an idiot, you might as well throw in some support for Bush as well.

[ZeroTigerX]

I'm not making any confirmations, but it is way too early to tell right now. WAY too early.

The 360 got a huge headstart... Kinda like the dreamcast... Hey that reminds me of something. The Dreamcast was white, PS2 was black. The logo was a swirly line, the 360 has swirly lines. The Dreamcast had a headstart. Soon enough when PS2 had enough copies for everyone, the PS2 plowed throught the dreamcast. The Dreamcast used an older disc type, an upgraded CD. While the PS2 used DVDs. The Dreamcast was way ahead in terms of online, even for the Saturn. The Dreamcast had many exclusives and at first, the PS2 had many ports of them. That was kinda cool to think about lol. Think history will repeat itself?

Anyways, in "this point in time" the PS3 is still young. Wait for more exclusives to come out. The Xbox 1 wasn't so popular at first but it was what everybody wanted at the end. And also, the 360 launch titles sucked.

The PS3 has only been around for a month, no real reason to call it a fail.\

[The GX]

I'm not making any confirmations, but it is way too early to tell right now. WAY too early.

The 360 got a huge headstart... Kinda like the dreamcast... Hey that reminds me of something. The Dreamcast was white, PS2 was black. The logo was a swirly line, the 360 has swirly lines. The Dreamcast had a headstart. Soon enough when PS2 had enough copies for everyone, the PS2 plowed throught the dreamcast. The Dreamcast used an older disc type, an upgraded CD. While the PS2 used DVDs. The Dreamcast was way ahead in terms of online, even for the Saturn. The Dreamcast had many exclusives and at first, the PS2 had many ports of them. That was kinda cool to think about lol. Think history will repeat itself?

Anyways, in "this point in time" the PS3 is still young. Wait for more exclusives to come out. The Xbox 1 wasn't so popular at first but it was what everybody wanted at the end. And also, the 360 launch titles sucked.

The PS3 has only been around for a month, no real reason to call it a fail.\

But the PS2 didn't cost 500-600 fucking dollars. Big diffirence there.

[kledster]

resistence is awesome. the PS3 is going to have good games coming out and they said they're going to manufacture more next year. i have a 360 but i don't see why all gamers can't just be friends. we're all here for the same thing: to have fun playing games, and that's what we're doing.

[Lividum]

Wow, what the hell? There'll be no races anymore, who has the best this, who has the best that.

I heard over and over that Wii was Nintendo's last console(not sure how true that is), now PS3 isn't doing well and PS4 looks grim.

Meh, good, Microsoft wins yet again.

Nintendo? Last console? Nah.

[Molson]

resistence is awesome. the PS3 is going to have good games coming out and they said they're going to manufacture more next year. i have a 360 but i don't see why all gamers can't just be friends. we're all here for the same thing: to have fun playing games, and that's what we're doing.

competition fuels creativity and lower prices..... well except for PS3, which is the polar opposite

[Wu-tang]

But the PS2 didn't cost 500-600 fucking dollars. Big diffirence there.

The PS2 sold at 200 dollars less than it costs to make, just like the ps3. Did you think Sony just pulled a number out of their ass?

Time's retarded. They also said that Georgie was the Person of the year, twice. And that You were too...Lame.

Also Microsoft owns stock in Time, btw Bill Gates was elected Person of the year in 2005, so come on...think about it.

resistence is awesome. the PS3 is going to have good games coming out and they said they're going to manufacture more next year. i have a 360 but i don't see why all gamers can't just be friends. we're all here for the same thing: to have fun playing games, and that's what we're doing.

QFT. I don't want the PS3 to own the market so much like the last 2 gens, but I don't want it to go down the tubes, that's why I defend it.

[Meio]

I'm not making any confirmations, but it is way too early to tell right now. WAY too early.

The 360 got a huge headstart... Kinda like the dreamcast... Hey that reminds me of something. The Dreamcast was white, PS2 was black. The logo was a swirly line, the 360 has swirly lines. The Dreamcast had a headstart. Soon enough when PS2 had enough copies for everyone, the PS2 plowed throught the dreamcast. The Dreamcast used an older disc type, an upgraded CD. While the PS2 used DVDs. The Dreamcast was way ahead in terms of online, even for the Saturn. The Dreamcast had many exclusives and at first, the PS2 had many ports of them. That was kinda cool to think about lol. Think history will repeat itself?

Anyways, in "this point in time" the PS3 is still young. Wait for more exclusives to come out. The Xbox 1 wasn't so popular at first but it was what everybody wanted at the end. And also, the 360 launch titles sucked.

The PS3 has only been around for a month, no real reason to call it a fail.\


Everyone seems to forget that the Dreamcast was the first to market of the last gen. What did for it was the hype surrounding the PS2. How the PS2 was gonna destroy it technically (which other than DVD support it didn't really). Everyone was hung up on the Saturn, and how it was a dog to program, which the DC was not. It was much easier to develop for than the PS2. Your general public didn't know this. Why bother with a lame CD based cheapo, rushed to market brick you might get to play Sonic on when you will be able to get your hands on a wonderful DVD based wonder machine with twice the processing power and broadband support out of the box that you could play Metal Gear Solid and Wipeout on in 6 months time?

I think this time round a lot of people have become resistant to the Sony hype machine and the PS3 might well represent the Sony equivalent of the Saturn. N64 had great games, PSX was cool and easy to get to do funky 3D stuff, Saturn was old school, like a Megadrive with a CD drive and a dog to make good 3D games for. That attitude hung over into the DC, PS2, GC face off. I really thought that the 360 might suffer DCs fate, being out hyped by Sony. But we're all a bit older and wiser now eh? If Sony don't grind out mega sales from the PS3 once production get rolling and the price comes down, expect the PS4 to be their last roll of the dice.

[navid]

This sucks, but I think its still a tad too early to call it a bust, but I can definately see the end of PS Franchise, just not used to seeing an opponent (Microsoft) with such deep pockets. Funny how so many people thought that the xbox 360 was that much better after the ps3 came out and failed, proving possibly its not the best system for you, just better than the rest?

I want to see apple make a console, see how that'd work.

[Rick Derris]

Yes, I too, like many others, take their video game advice from Time Magazine. Did you see their recent Gears of War walkthrough they out up? Amazing.

[Cee]

Yes, I too, like many others, take their video game advice from Time Magazine. Did you see their recent Gears of War walkthrough they out up? Amazing.

Exactly! Who in their right mind reads Time magazine for their video game info?

Lets go read Electronic Gaming Monthly for up to date political news. :rolleyes:

[rand0m]

In Time magazine I seem to remember reading some Massive article about the 'Xbox 360' and how the graphics where picture perfect, and how on a golf course the xbox 360's gpu could draw every blade of grass and have the light bounce of each blade perfectly and when the wind blew accross the field every blade would react differently, then the golfer your playing would perspire and run down your players face just like in real life ...

I think they where talking about this game ... http://goldlam.com/images/golf.jpg

[JesusTheJedi]

Snakes on a Plane is on there!? FUCK YOU TIME MAGAZINE

[UncleJemima83]

Time's retarded. They also said that Georgie was the Person of the year, twice. And that You were too...Lame.

Also Microsoft owns stock in Time, btw Bill Gates was elected Person of the year in 2005, so come on...think about it.

time also voted hitler as its person of the year

in fact, they voted everyone their people of the year this year. sounds like crap to me

[Kageru]

Wow, what the hell? There'll be no races anymore, who has the best this, who has the best that.

I heard over and over that Wii was Nintendo's last console(not sure how true that is), now PS3 isn't doing well and PS4 looks grim.

Meh, good, Microsoft wins yet again.

Microsoft wins again? And what exactly is it that they won the first time around? Cuz it sure as hell wasn't the xbox, fuck that.

[Al Paccioli]

Meh, The Economist > TIME, but I think they're both full of shit.

[nickholas78]

"You know you are doing bad when you are getting beat by something called a Wii" That comment made me Lol :p

[Burningnun]

Wow, what the hell? There'll be no races anymore, who has the best this, who has the best that.

I heard over and over that Wii was Nintendo's last console(not sure how true that is), now PS3 isn't doing well and PS4 looks grim.

Meh, good, Microsoft wins yet again.
Unless you own shares in MS, monopolies aren't good.

[Wu-tang]

They also said the same thing about the PS2 and said Dreamcast would come on top. :rollseyes

[xeoset]

They also said the same thing about the PS2 and said Dreamcast would come on top. :rollseyes

Link? It'll be fun comparing what they say.

[firepiss]

The price tag is a bust. Not the console.

[Farmer77]

Time Magazine also had Adolf Hitler as Man of the Year back in the 1930's, so I wouldn't put too much stock in what Time says about anything.

[JesusTheJedi]

Time Magazine also had Adolf Hitler as Man of the Year back in the 1930's, so I wouldn't put too much stock in what Time says about anything.

I don't think that you people understand, Man of the Year doesn't necessarily go to the best guy in the world. It goes to the person who has made the biggest impact on the world that year.

[psychomonkey62]

In the new EGM, they picked a winner: Wii. In a landslide victory. (Out of 6 people.......0 picked the PS3, all 6 picked the Wii.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

But.. but.. they don't know anything. They only have many more resources, much more background information, and a better knowledge of what's going on. I know more than them because I'm on the internet!

[Al Paccioli]

But.. but.. they don't know anything. They only have many more resources, much more background information, and a better knowledge of what's going on. I know more than them because I'm on the internet!

Haha Time has better knowledge than you.

[emoisgay]

thats why im a proud pc gamer, i refuse to pay 600 dollars on a gaming system or 500. The only reason they made it so much is cause they know the retarded sony fan brigade would pay it out cause sony has predictable fans sit jump heel fetch etc.

[dtorre]

PS3: Core $499
Comes BLu Ray ready: $0
Online:$0

XBoX 360: Prem ((so we can relate the 20 gb)) = $299
HD-DVD: $200
Online 1 year: $50

PS3: $499
Xbox 360: $549

Two years of a Xbox Premium with internet and HD-DVD is the equivalent of 1 60 GB PS3 with online 4evas

But of course people only see initial costs ;)

[silverspade14]

PS3: Core $499
Comes BLu Ray ready: $0
Online:$0

XBoX 360: Prem ((so we can relate the 20 gb)) = $299
HD-DVD: $200
Online 1 year: $50

PS3: $499
Xbox 360: $549

Two years of a Xbox Premium with internet and HD-DVD is the equivalent of 1 60 GB PS3 with online 4evas

But of course people only see initial costs ;)

From what I've heard PS3 online sucks ass.

[MooCowzRock]

PS3: Core $499
Comes BLu Ray ready: $0
Online:$0

XBoX 360: Prem ((so we can relate the 20 gb)) = $299
HD-DVD: $200
Online 1 year: $50

PS3: $499
Xbox 360: $549

Two years of a Xbox Premium with internet and HD-DVD is the equivalent of 1 60 GB PS3 with online 4evas

But of course people only see initial costs ;)
You're giving the 360 too much leniency with that...

Lets consider even both the premium packages, how much more you are getting for less...

This is how much more it costs for add-ons for the 360 to be as good as the PS3 (and because there is no announced price for a 360 60gb hd, I'm just going to be really nice and put up the price of the 20 gb hd, even though it will be more than that, and I'm going to put only 2 years of Live even though for the PS3 it is unlimited....so I'm cutting a couple hundred dollars from the 360 price tag...):

Premium PS3: $600

Premium 360: $400
60gb HD: $100
HD-DVD Player: $200
Wireless Adaptor: $100
Xbox Live for 2 years: $100

What is our grand total?? $900!!

From what I've heard PS3 online sucks ass.

I've heard from some places that it isnt as convenient as Live, but never have I heard it sucks. In fact, it was one of the things that GameInformer praised in their analysis, including the fact that it has a web browser which allows the possibility, if it doesnt just yet, of downloading music and videos directly from your PS3...Neat, eh?

[silverspade14]

You're giving the 360 too much leniency with that...

Lets consider even both the premium packages, how much more you are getting for less...

This is how much more it costs for add-ons for the 360 to be as good as the PS3 (and because there is no announced price for a 360 60gb hd, I'm just going to be really nice and put up the price of the 20 gb hd, even though it will be more than that, and I'm going to put only 2 years of Live even though for the PS3 it is unlimited....so I'm cutting a couple hundred dollars from the 360 price tag...):

Premium PS3: $600

Premium 360: $400
60gb HD: $100
HD-DVD Player: $200
Wireless Adaptor: $100
Xbox Live for 2 years: $100

What is our grand total?? $900!!



I've heard from some places that it isnt as convenient as Live, but never have I heard it sucks. In fact, it was one of the things that GameInformer praised in their analysis, including the fact that it has a web browser which allows the possibility, if it doesnt just yet, of downloading music and videos directly from your PS3...Neat, eh?

Not really, I have a computer for that.

[ThaiTanium22]

I've been using my Playstation 3 online for a couple days now and I have yet to find a reason to dislike it.

[Rootraz]

Ps3 online is so easy and convenient

[xeoset]

Premium PS3: $600

Premium 360: $400
60gb HD: $100
HD-DVD Player: $200
Wireless Adaptor: $100
Xbox Live for 2 years: $100

What is our grand total?? $900!!


Jesus fucking christ. Is this your only argument?! How many fucking times have you been flamed for making false BULLSHIT like this.

You DON'T need anthing on the list other than a Premium 360 and some Xbox Live! Cards, which can be bought whenever the fuck you feel like it.

And in response to your shitty Add up, let me do something similar.

New PS3 Expansion Pak: $2500
7 New Pads: $280
14 Games: $840
Total Price of a PS3: $3620!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MooCowz, look, the PS3 cost $3620! ZOMG! I MUST GETZ DA WII!!!

Oh and apparently Sony's Online thing was down over Christmas, around 1200 people went to download the new GT and the Service choked. I'm waiting for a statement from Sony because from what I've seen this has hit everybody.

[B-MetalSucks]

Premium 360: $400Well at least you got this part right.
60gb HD: $10060 gb HD doesn't exist for 360 and the premium 360 has a HD, I can see you're going to try your "new math" version of pricing again.
HD-DVD Player: $200You do realize you are not REQUIRED to buy one of these, correct? Especially if you don't want one.
Wireless Adaptor: $100Again NOT required. All you need is a long enough cable and the intelligence to hide the damn thing well. This method is a great deal cheaper than the $100 adapter.
Xbox Live for 2 years: $100They don't even sale 2 years worth of live at one time. One year is the max, and you will not be charged for a second year till the first has been completed. This is why people laugh at you and mock you for the fanboy you truly are. It's sad that you care so much about a console.

What is our grand total?? $900!!
Grand total? Hilarity for those of us with more than a first grade education. Thanks again Moo, you bring a laugh every time you post.


I've heard from some places that it isnt as convenient as Live, but never have I heard it sucks. oh, and if you like playing online... you're shit outta luck with the ps3.

The online playstation store has about 30 things to download, xbox market place has over 1500 pieces of stuff to download. Xbox live has over 3 million subscribers. Sony has less than 1million units worldwide. And only a fraction are online.

I could do this all day... The only thing the PS3 has going for it is potential. And right now, that potential is from homebrew linux and other apps, because Sony is sucking out loud right now.http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showpost.php?p=3008464&postcount=33
This guy was apparently less than impressed. :-)

[ThaiTanium22]

Oh and apparently Sony's Online thing was down over Christmas, around 1200 people went to download the new GT and the Service choked. I'm waiting for a statement from Sony because from what I've seen this has hit everybody.

It happened the moment the new Gran Turismo Concept came out. It wasn't down for long. Everything is fine now.

[rand0m]

60 gb HD doesn't exist for 360 and the premium 360 has a HD, I can see you're going to try your "new math" version of pricing again.

Xbox 360 20 gig HD (UK) (http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?q=Xbox+360+hard+drive&btnG=Search+Froogle&hl=en) X2

Xbox 360 20 GiG HD (USA) (http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Xbox+360+hard+drive&btnG=Search) X2

You do realize you are not REQUIRED to buy one of these, correct? Especially if you don't want one.

Correct, the exact advantage the Xbox 360 has, it doesnt come with everything.

Again NOT required. All you need is a long enough cable and the intelligence to hide the damn thing well. This method is a great deal cheaper than the $100 adapter

Ditto

They don't even sale 2 years worth of live at one time. One year is the max, and you will not be charged for a second year till the first has been completed. This is why people laugh at you and mock you for the fanboy you truly are. It's sad that you care so much about a console.

Ok, so you attack someone for been a Fanboy because they:

-He likes the Playstation 3
-He wrote a comparision chart for the too prices
-It was a sort of longish post.

And yet when you attack his post you:

-You like the Xbox 360
-You go through each and everyone of his statistics and attack it.
-You write just as much as him
-You try and insult him with every sentance.

Hmmmm?!?!?

Grand total? Hilarity for those of us with more than a first grade education. Thanks again Moo, you bring a laugh every time you post.

Well at least he contributes to this thread ...

http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showpost.php?p=3008464&postcount=33
This guy was apparently less than impressed. :-)

Yeah we've all been through this, one persons opinion on it doesn't mean jackshit. He obviously prefers his Xbox 360 much more, and in a obvious attempt of insecurity after playing the Playstation 3 and feeling threated, he posted about how 'crap' and 'useless' it is.

[sublimej311]

PS3 - $600

360 - $400 (if you are smart there are deals to get as much as $100 off though)

HD-DVD IF you want it - $200

Wireless adapter IF you want or need it - $100 (You will need to buy a Wireless router for the PS3 if you are going to be specific.)

The much better than PS3 online Xbox Live IF you want it - $50 (I have more free cards laying around than I know what to do with though from offers and games so can be free easily if you want it to). It's like $4 a month though how is that expensive at all if it's something you will use? And It's hands down better than what the Ps3 offers.

So If you want and need all this stuff then it's $750.... yeah we know that's more, but not many people are going to want or need that stuff. I mean if you want your PS3 to make smoothies then you have to buy a blender for it. I got a 360 with $100 off and didn't need to have a wireless adapter, didn't want a high definition player, plenty of free xbox live gold cards so I pay a total of $300 for a system with better games, better controller, better interface, and better online service with the options to upgrade whatever I want for reletively the same price as PS3 equipment. If you wanted a Nintendo DS to be as capable as a Sony PSP you would have to spend extra money too, but that doesn't mean the latter is going to be better. The whole point is that they keep the price down for the average person that doesn't want or need these things so that the price will be cheaper. And I have a PS3, but it just collects dust and I need to sell it all the games coming out for it are becoming availabe for the 360 or are queer japanese emo rpg games which is more kiddy than Mario if you ask me.

[B-MetalSucks]

Xbox 360 20 gig HD (UK) (http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?q=Xbox+360+hard+drive&btnG=Search+Froogle&hl=en) X2

Xbox 360 20 GiG HD (USA) (http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Xbox+360+hard+drive&btnG=Search) X2Premium comes with a hard-drive what's your point?

Correct, the exact advantage the Xbox 360 has, it doesnt come with everything.
Yes, you see you have a CHOICE, something the PS3 doesn't give you. It's blu-ray or it's nothing.

Ok, so you attack someone for been a Fanboy because they:

-He likes the Playstation 3
-He wrote a comparision chart for the too prices
-It was a sort of longish post.

And yet when you attack his post you:

-You like the Xbox 360
-You go through each and everyone of his statistics and attack it.
-You write just as much as him
-You try and insult him with every sentance.

Hmmmm?!?!?I don't mind that he likes PS3, I mind that he adds bullshit to his list to "prove his point." Like the always present "2 years of live minimum. They don't even sale two years of live at one time and what if someone doesn't give a shit about live? How does that affect cost? It doesn't. But the thing is he wants to manipulate the data to favor his side, THAT'S where I have a problem.

I also have no problem with long posts, when they aren't completely bullshit propaganda.

Also I went through his statistics and attacked it because they were bullshit.



Well at least he contributes to this thread ...Everyone is entitled to an opinion.


Yeah we've all been through this, one persons opinion on it doesn't mean jackshit. He obviously prefers his Xbox 360 much more, and in a obvious attempt of insecurity after playing the Playstation 3 and feeling threated, he posted about how 'crap' and 'useless' it is. More fanboy propaganda. The whole "how can anyone like a 360 more than a PS3."

I've said it before, I'd like all three systems but I'm cognizant of the issues that each of them have. The 360 has the possibility of just dying out of the blue. The PS3 has issues with 1080i only HDtv's. The Wii has limited games right now and a control scheme that "MAY" become played out after a while if developers don't utilize it to the fullest. So how am I comparable to Moo who acts like you HAVE to buy all of that shit on his list to play games so he can prove the 360 is more expensive? :idea: Maybe it's because your a little biased to Sony as well.

[rand0m]

Premium comes with a hard-drive what's your point?

THe playstation 3 comes with a 60 Gig HD, Xbox 360 Premium comes with 20Gig HD. Do you know the difference between those numbers? It means the Playstation 3 comes with 3 times the memory the xbox 360 comes with.


Yes, you see you have a CHOICE, something the PS3 doesn't give you. It's blu-ray or it's nothing.

Well I quite like the idea of the Playstation 3 coming with a next generation Disk Format. It saves me alot of money and space. They realise that in a few years HD-TV will be the new thing and normal DVD's look crap on an HD-TV, so instead of having to buy an entire extra add-on it comes with it.

I don't mind that he likes PS3, I mind that he adds bullshit to his list to "prove his point." Like the always present "2 years of live minimum. They don't even sale two years of live at one time and what if someone doesn't give a shit about live? How does that affect cost? It doesn't. But the thing is he wants to manipulate the data to favor his side, THAT'S where I have a problem.

No he didn't ... He mearly tried to compair the pricing of Xbox Live with the Playstation Online.

He's assuming that you will only be on it for 2 years, when to be honest your probably going to be on it longer, so the price only goes up ...

I also have no problem with long posts, when they aren't completely bullshit propaganda.

You think thats all 'propaganda'? Now 'propaganda' is a strong word, and strong words show signs of anger and frustration.

Also I went through his statistics and attacked it because they were bullshit.

Actually his statistics made sense, please prove them wrong. 'I dont want that' isnt proving it wrong.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Obviously not MooCowzRock ...

More fanboy propaganda. The whole "how can anyone like a 360 more than a PS3."

There it is again! Is that the best you can come up with 'fanboy propaganda'?

I've said it before, I'd like all three systems but I'm cognizant of the issues that each of them have. The 360 has the possibility of just dying out of the blue. The PS3 has issues with 1080i only HDtv's. The Wii has limited games right now and a control scheme that "MAY" become played out after a while if developers don't utilize it to the fullest. So how am I comparable to Moo who acts like you HAVE to buy all of that shit on his list to play games so he can prove the 360 is more expensive? :idea: Maybe it's because your a little biased to Sony as well.

MooCowzRock was actualy showing that you get more for you money, which you do.

The 360 has possiblity of dying out? Really? Not the fact it lacks any innovative improvments from its old Xbox? No HD Standard? No new input device? etc etc?

Playstation 3 upscale issue? They are halfway through fixing that problem which only 'old' HD-TVs are affected.

Saying the Xbox 360 is more expensive than the Playstation 3 is incorrect.

A Xbox 360 which comes with the same functions and abilities of the Playstation 3 is more expensive than a Playstation 3 is correct.

[B-MetalSucks]

THe playstation 3 comes with a 60 Gig HD, Xbox 360 Premium comes with 20Gig HD. Do you know the difference between those numbers? It means the Playstation 3 comes with 3 times the memory the xbox 360 comes with.
Yeah I can do the math fuckhead. His post was saying you'd have to buy a 60 gb HD which doesn't exist. You can't purchase one so why add the amount when it doesn't exist? To make sure to up the price.


Well I quite like the idea of the Playstation 3 coming with a next generation Disk Format. It saves me alot of money and space. They realise that in a few years HD-TV will be the new thing and normal DVD's look crap on an HD-TV, so instead of having to buy an entire extra add-on it comes with it.
Well thats dandy. A lot of people however buy game systems to, I don't know, PLAY FUCKING GAMES. So why add the $200 when not every person who buys a 360 is required to buy it? To make sure to up the price.

No he didn't ... He mearly tried to compair the pricing of Xbox Live with the Playstation Online.

He's assuming that you will only be on it for 2 years, when to be honest your probably going to be on it longer, so the price only goes up ...What about those people who could care less about online play? Are they required to pay for 2 years worth of Live? Of course not, so why add it? To make sure to up the price.


Actually his statistics made sense, please prove them wrong. 'I dont want that' isnt proving it wrong.
What's wrong about them is that he implies that those things are NEEDS instead of OPTIONS. Why would he do that? To make sure to up the price.


Obviously not MooCowzRock ...
He IS entitled to an opinion. However when he presents it as fact then others are allowed to disagree, which is what I've done.


MooCowzRock was actualy showing that you get more for you money, which you do.So quantity=quality now?

The 360 has possiblity of dying out? Really? Not the fact it lacks any innovative improvments from its old Xbox? No HD Standard? No new input device? etc etc?The 360 doesn't need an HD standard when it has a scaling chip allowing it to be flexible. All 360 games are required to be coded in AT LEAST 720p which is what a great deal of PS3 games are coded at.

Playstation 3 upscale issue? They are halfway through fixing that problem which only 'old' HD-TVs are affected.Halfway? Halfway? Are you fucking kidding me? I like that you use the Sony party line. "Only old tvs are affected." Just google "PS3 scaling issue" and you'll see that it's not just old TVs.

Saying the Xbox 360 is more expensive than the Playstation 3 is incorrect.

A Xbox 360 which comes with the same functions and abilities of the Playstation 3 is more expensive than a Playstation 3 is correct.But the point is that a great deal of those functions are things that some people could give a shit about, yet Moo makes them seem essential. That's why I have a problem with his post.

[sublimej311]

But the point is that a great deal of those functions are things that some people could give a shit about, yet Moo makes them seem essential. That's why I have a problem with his post.

I think the best way to explain this is to compare it to the bundles that were offered for the ps3 and 360. Would you rather be forced to buy a bundle that came with a bunch of random games, 2 controllers, and Television or would you rather have the option to buy all those things if you wanted to? Like we keep saying people other than you few on here don't want or need these things (Wi-Fi, HD player, internet account) they are not essential to sit down and play a game. So why don't they give you 2 controllers since more people play 2 player than play online or watch HD movies? Because it would drive the price up for people that don't want it. It makes no sense to me why people think you need a wireless adapter, that's your own fault for not being able to run a cable which is more reliable anyways, it's not like you can't get online with out an adapter.

You also need to look at Xbox Live and PS3 online like Cable channels Vs. NonCable channels in the sense that Cable will always be better because the provider is given money to provide a service better than what you recieve for free otherwise cable would be free.

Then to explain Blu-ray vs. DVD for you, DVDs outsell Blu-ray discs by ALOT and will continue to do so for quite some time, so why include it if the majority prefers DVDs over Blu-rays/HD-DVDs? Well if you are in the minority you have the option to be able to buy the HD-DVD which itself is priced well at $200 which is then priced exactly the same as the PS3 (360$400+HD-DVD$200=PS3$600).
Then before you open your mouth, the 360 takes less of a loss on profit than the PS3 which means to the consumer in the long run that not only will Xbox's future be better, but that price drops will come sooner and more often. The PS3 won't get a price drop long after a year after the 360 does, unless they have a going out of business sale.

[MooCowzRock]

Premium comes with a hard-drive what's your point?

Yes, you see you have a CHOICE, something the PS3 doesn't give you. It's blu-ray or it's nothing.

I don't mind that he likes PS3, I mind that he adds bullshit to his list to "prove his point." Like the always present "2 years of live minimum. They don't even sale two years of live at one time and what if someone doesn't give a shit about live? How does that affect cost? It doesn't. But the thing is he wants to manipulate the data to favor his side, THAT'S where I have a problem.

I also have no problem with long posts, when they aren't completely bullshit propaganda.

Also I went through his statistics and attacked it because they were bullshit.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

More fanboy propaganda. The whole "how can anyone like a 360 more than a PS3."

I've said it before, I'd like all three systems but I'm cognizant of the issues that each of them have. The 360 has the possibility of just dying out of the blue. The PS3 has issues with 1080i only HDtv's. The Wii has limited games right now and a control scheme that "MAY" become played out after a while if developers don't utilize it to the fullest. So how am I comparable to Moo who acts like you HAVE to buy all of that shit on his list to play games so he can prove the 360 is more expensive? :idea: Maybe it's because your a little biased to Sony as well.

Well hell, you dont "need" the fast processors of the 360 for 400 dollars, you could go ahead and buy an N64. I mean, why not? Its much cheaper, isnt it? You dont need all that extra stuff the 360 has just to play games, right?


See, you arent understanding the point...If you dont WANT all the extra stuff, then dont get it. But that does NOT mean the 360 is a better deal, because as I proved, it is not, and that does not make the 360 a better console, because as I proved, it is not. All I am saying it that the PS3 is a better console, which by FACT, it is, because to create the same console using the 360, costs a LOT more...nearly twice as much.

It is not about whether you think any of the stuff is necessary or not, its whether or not it is there. You aregue that all the extra cheap stuff the PS3 offers is not "necessary," therefore not worth it is retarded, because in that case the Gamecube is a better console than the 360.

Using your logic:

PS3: $600
360: $400
Gamecube: $100

Gamecube>360>PS3

Do you see now how stupid that logic is?


Now, let me elaborate on points you are obviously unable to comprehend...

Why did I add 2 years of Xbox Live? I added the price of the Live service because it is necessary for a comparison to the PS3. The PS3 comes with free unlimited online service, which the 360 costs 50 dolars a year minimum. Whether or not you want online gaming is irrelevant. When comparing the price to what you get, you have to match the consoles as much as possible, and to do that, you have to add at least a few years of Xbox live. I was lenient in only adding 2 years, because most people will use the PS3 service for 4 or 5 years.

Why did I add a 60 GB harddrive? Because the PS3 has a 60GB hd. The 360, as I said, does not have a 60 GB HD just yet, but it hasbeen announced for the future. I do not know the price that the HD is going to be, but I was being extremely lenient in only making it 100 dollars, which is the present price of the 20 GB HD. It will undoubtedly be much more than that, but I apologize for favoring you on that one.

Why did I add a wireless adaptor? Because the PS3 comes with standard Wifi. For the 360 to have wireless internet, you have to buy a 100 dollar adaptor.

Why did I add the HD-DVD drive? Because the PS3 comes standard for HD movies, whereas the 360 requires a 200 dollar adaptor.


The overall point is, the PS3 is a better console where you get a lot more for only slightly more money. You dont want all those features, or you cant afford it? Whatever, buy a 360. You dont want all the 360's features? Whatever, buy a gamecube... You dont want all the Gamecube's features? Whatever, buy an Atari. It doesnt mean that the PS3 isnt the best system. It is the best system, plain and simple, its just slightly more expensive.

The plain and simple fact is, between a PS3 and 360, with a PS3 you are getting a LOT more, for only 200 dollars more.

It would cost nearly 1000 dollars at least for a 360 to have the features of a 600 dollar PS3. But NEVER did I say you HAD to have those things for a 360. But without those things, you are comparing apples to oranges. With them, you are comparing apples to apples, in which the PS3 wins hands down.

Dont want all the features, whatever. It doesnt make it a worse system. Thats like arguing that a 1080p TV isnt as good as a 480i TV because it's more expensive.

Do you understand now? Did I spell it out enough?

[Pillow]

So the PS3 is a better console because it is a better deal?

I have no idea why everyone brings in the HD-DVD/Blu-ray crap into these threads.

I bought the system to play games, not watch movies.

[MooCowzRock]

So the PS3 is a better console because it is a better deal?

I have no idea why everyone brings in the HD-DVD/Blu-ray crap into these threads.

I bought the system to play games, not watch movies.

It is a better deal with much more features which enhance the entire experience. You dont want it or cant afford it? Whatever, that doesnt make it any less the best.

[B-MetalSucks]

It is a better deal with much more features which enhance the entire experience. You dont want it or cant afford it? Whatever, that doesnt make it any less the best.

So you own one right? I only ask because you made the comment about not affording one. I must know if YOU can afford one. Tell me how wonderful it looks on your brand spanking 1080P TV. You have one of those as well, correct? Please tell us what makes you able to say that YOU can deem the PS3 the best system and that no one can argue against that statement.

As to "logic," well lets look at yours.
See, you arent understanding the point...If you dont WANT all the extra stuff, then dont get it. But that does NOT mean the 360 is a better deal, because as I proved, it is not, and that does not make the 360 a better console, because as I proved, it is not. All I am saying it that the PS3 is a better console, which by FACT, it is, because to create the same console using the 360, costs a LOT more...nearly twice as much.So how exactly did you prove all of that? Because rand0m agreed with you?

Your "logic" works out like this. "A 747 is better than a F-15 Eagle because you can only fly two people in an F-15 and it would cost a shitload to make an F-15 into a 747.......nearly 186X's as much." This is true but if you were in a war that 747 wouldn't look quite as nice as the F-15 now would it.

I know what you'll say though, you'll say comparing a passenger plane to a fighter jet is apples and oranges. Well Guess what, so is the 360-PS3 comparison. The 360 is a video game console that does some multi-media stuff. The PS3 is a blu-ray movie player that just happens to play games. Believe it or not, that's a huge difference. But please feel free to keep "proving" the ps3 is "factually" the best.:lol:

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

It is a better deal with much more features which enhance the entire experience. You dont want it or cant afford it? Whatever, that doesnt make it any less the best.

You know, instead of adding all of this invisible shit onto your 360, you could use your fucking brain and just point out the most obvious aspect of it all.

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A premium 360 goes for 400 bucks, and Microsoft makes about 75 dollars off of each sell. That means, the actual value of the premium xbox 360 is roughly 325 bucks.

A premium PS3 sells for 600 dollars, and Sony loses about 250 on each sell. That means, the actual value of the premium PS3 is roughly 850 bucks.

The profit margin for the XBox 360 premium system for a consumer is around negative 20%.

The profit margin for the PS3 permium system for a consumer is around positive 40%.

Verdict: The PS3 is the higher value system.

All of these are estimates and are not perfectly accurate. The percentages are definitely off by a small margin due to my laziness.

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Fine, the PS3 is worth more financially, and it's technically superior.

There's also a brand of coffee that costs loads to make because you have to hand pick the coffee beans out of the feces of a particular rodent before roasting them. It's considered a high class roast. But it still tastes like shit.

[Pillow]

Fine, the PS3 is worth more financially, and it's technically superior.

There's also a brand of coffee that costs loads to make because you have to hand pick the coffee beans out of the feces of a particular rodent before roasting them. It's considered a high class roast. But it still tastes like shit.

Is that a real brand of coffee?

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Yes. I'll find a link in a bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak

And it looks delicious.

http://www.sallys-place.com/beverages/coffee/kopi_luwak.jpg

[ThaiTanium22]

If it's been sitting in rodent feces then of course it's going to taste like shit BYA :ahhh:

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Well, I actually took the time to read a few people's opinions, and it appears that it's delicious if you like coffee.

I love coffee.

I'm still not drinking that shit.

Call me conventional, but I'll stick to Folger's and Maxwell House.

[sublimej311]

It is a better deal with much more features which enhance the entire experience. You dont want it or cant afford it? Whatever, that doesnt make it any less the best.

You're annoying because I have all three and I don't even play the PS3, and play the Wii very little, but the 360 is great with what time I have spent with it. So basically what you're saying is the Atari Jaguar was better than the SNES, the Gamecube was better than the PS2, and the PSP is better than the DS? Just because something sounds better on paper doesn't mean it is. You're saying it's soley better because it's capable of connecting to it's mediocre internet service wirelessly and can play blu-ray movies out of the box...... sorta? Have you been watching alot of Blu-ray movies on your PS3?....... I didn't think so. There isn't much of a point now unless you want to spend extra money to watch a few overpriced titles with better resolution and you happen to have an HD-TV. I'll give you this, without all the little things Sony messed up and if you don't care about money or good games then the PS3 is the better entertainment device, but if you want to play games then the xbox is the better videogame system.

See, you arent understanding the point...If you dont WANT all the extra stuff, then dont get it. But that does NOT mean the 360 is a better deal, because as I proved, it is not, and that does not make the 360 a better console, because as I proved, it is not. All I am saying it that the PS3 is a better console, which by FACT, it is, because to create the same console using the 360, costs a LOT more...nearly twice as much.

Your "proof" is the same ass backwards propaganda that Sony used with their "fact" sheet and were going to get sued for, but actually worse and more deceitful. Why would you want to make the 360 into a PS3 anyways? That's the whole point you would get a 360, because it's not a Playstation.

On another note do you even read the news or anything? Do you understand that the PS3 is has been a huge dissapointment, that doesn't live up to the hype and that 60% of news on it is negative some way or another? Maybe you think the everyone is biased, but atleast think about it ("IT" being that the PS3 sucks ass).

[Electrify]

While the PS1 and PS2's main objectives were to create kick ass systems, the PS3's main objective seems to be how many Blu-Ray players Sony can get into people's homes. Considering this attitude, if the PS3 is not a powerhouse success and/or Sony does not get their act together already, it will probably be their last system.

In fact, if Sony does not get their act together soon, in about 10-15 years tops they will be seen in the same market position RCA is today.

EDIT: Also, all you morons trying to make the Xbox 360 sound more expensive than the PS3 are forgetting that the PS3 does not come with a high def HDMI cable (required for HD movies and I think games, component won't do) or a headset, together can add about $200 to the $600 PS3 if you get the best models. Sure the Xbox 360 doesn't come with HD video playback and whatnot, but at least what it does come with is used to enhance gameplay and not gimmicky add-ons.

Bottom line: If you want a gaming system, get a Xbox 360, if you want a Blu-Ray player, get a PS3.

Questions???

[Meio]

Link? It'll be fun comparing what they say.

I'll find some stuff that's less comedy and less biased if you beg:

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/saturn/archive.htm

[rand0m]

Can people come up with anything better than 'The playstation 3 doesnt come with the cables' or 'The games arn't brilliant' (None of the anticipated games are out btw??

[waterbottl]

Can people come up with anything better than 'The playstation 3 doesnt come with the cables' or 'The games arn't brilliant' (None of the anticipated games are out btw??

The games aren't brilliant? The whole point of a console is to play games that's like saying "Guys, my car is great and I'll accept the fact that it's not when you can convince me it's not without complaining about it not having an engine".

[OldRootbeer]

This is the nerdiest shit I've seen in a while :)

Quick talking about your fucking games and go play them already.

I enjoy xbox throughly. I don't care to compare.

[Keenan]

I'll wait till the end of 2007 to make my final judgement. There are tons of games I can't wait to play for the PS3. We'll just have to see how they all pan out.

[xeoset]

Let me explain this all in stupid language, one that's completely covering this Forum.

The Xbox 360 is like a man with a big Penis, he'll give you the option of using his tongue/fingers/etc in bed if you like, but his Penis is large enough to keep you satisfied. The PS3 is like a man with a small Penis and has no other opton but to throw his fingers/tongue/etc into your Vagina because his tiny Penis can't keep you going long enough. Not only is there differences in how each man works but their is a difference in price aswell, the man who HAS to use all this crap to keep you happy costs more.

Replace Penis with CPU/GPU and tongue/fingers/etc with Blu-Ray/WiFi/SIXAXIS and you have the basic equation. I'm sure the numbers have been discussed enough already but if any new member is doubting to why the 360 is Hardware Technically Superior, feel free to be shut up.

[Keenan]

Nah, the PS3 is a complete whore. You have more options and can stick it anywhere and she won't complain but she cost more upfront. The 360 is a stuck up bitch who has every hole closed exepct the one you're paying to use. If you really want to get kinky, you need to shell out some serious cash. By the way, xeoset, I hope you're a woman, because that is possibly the gayest comparison I've ever heard.

[MooCowzRock]

While the PS1 and PS2's main objectives were to create kick ass systems, the PS3's main objective seems to be how many Blu-Ray players Sony can get into people's homes. Considering this attitude, if the PS3 is not a powerhouse success and/or Sony does not get their act together already, it will probably be their last system.

In fact, if Sony does not get their act together soon, in about 10-15 years tops they will be seen in the same market position RCA is today.

EDIT: Also, all you morons trying to make the Xbox 360 sound more expensive than the PS3 are forgetting that the PS3 does not come with a high def HDMI cable (required for HD movies and I think games, component won't do) or a headset, together can add about $200 to the $600 PS3 if you get the best models. Sure the Xbox 360 doesn't come with HD video playback and whatnot, but at least what it does come with is used to enhance gameplay and not gimmicky add-ons.

Bottom line: If you want a gaming system, get a Xbox 360, if you want a Blu-Ray player, get a PS3.

Questions???

First of all, one of the most advertized things of the PS2 was its ability to play DVDs. Sont used the same exact strategy, trying to get a cheap DVD player into people's homes, when DVD players costed 500-1000 dollars...

And also, if you need to add the HDMI cables to the PS3, you need to do the same thing with the 360, so you are still comparing something to the same thing. I only took the completely standard premium model of the PS3, without adding any extra things to it, and compared how much it would cost with a 360 to get the same thing, even though the 360 would still be missing a lot.

So, in the end, when you compare the two, the PS3 is just as good a gaming system as the 360, if not better, along with a Bluray player, along with a webbrowser, along with a hub for your PSP, etc, etc, etc, for only 1-200 dollars more.

Whereas the 360 is purely a simple gaming machine with next-gen graphics. If thats all you want, then good for you. But that doesnt make the 360 better than the PS3. It still isnt as good, it just happens to be what you want.

Simple. Fact.

[sublimej311]

Let me explain this all in stupid language, one that's completely covering this Forum.

The Xbox 360 is like a man with a big Penis, he'll give you the option of using his tongue/fingers/etc in bed if you like, but his Penis is large enough to keep you satisfied. The PS3 is like a man with a small Penis and has no other opton but to throw his fingers/tongue/etc into your Vagina because his tiny Penis can't keep you going long enough. Not only is there differences in how each man works but their is a difference in price aswell, the man who HAS to use all this crap to keep you happy costs more.

Replace Penis with CPU/GPU and tongue/fingers/etc with Blu-Ray/WiFi/SIXAXIS and you have the basic equation. I'm sure the numbers have been discussed enough already but if any new member is doubting to why the 360 is Hardware Technically Superior, feel free to be shut up.

I stopped reading at "big penis", but hey keep on fightin' the good fight man!

[silverspade14]

First of all, one of the most advertized things of the PS2 was its ability to play DVDs. Sont used the same exact strategy, trying to get a cheap DVD player into people's homes, when DVD players costed 500-1000 dollars...

And also, if you need to add the HDMI cables to the PS3, you need to do the same thing with the 360, so you are still comparing something to the same thing. I only took the completely standard premium model of the PS3, without adding any extra things to it, and compared how much it would cost with a 360 to get the same thing, even though the 360 would still be missing a lot.

So, in the end, when you compare the two, the PS3 is just as good a gaming system as the 360, if not better, along with a Bluray player, along with a webbrowser, along with a hub for your PSP, etc, etc, etc, for only 1-200 dollars more.

Whereas the 360 is purely a simple gaming machine with next-gen graphics. If thats all you want, then good for you. But that doesnt make the 360 better than the PS3. It still isnt as good, it just happens to be what you want.

Simple. Fact.

It's funny how you always say your opinion is a fact.

[MooCowzRock]

It's funny how you always say your opinion is a fact.

Its as much an opinion as: "apples taste sweeter than shit."

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Exactly. Depends on the apples and the shit.

[Pillow]

Its as much an opinion as: "apples taste sweeter than shit."

*head implodes*

[sublimej311]

Its as much an opinion as: "apples taste sweeter than shit."

You eat shit?

[Wu-tang]

The Xbox 360 is like a man with a big Penis, he'll give you the option of using his tongue/fingers/etc in bed if you like, but his Penis is large enough to keep you satisfied.


lmao, that has to be the gayest thing ever.

[rand0m]

Let me explain this all in stupid language, one that's completely covering this Forum.

The Xbox 360 is like a man with a big Penis, he'll give you the option of using his tongue/fingers/etc in bed if you like, but his Penis is large enough to keep you satisfied. The PS3 is like a man with a small Penis and has no other opton but to throw his fingers/tongue/etc into your Vagina because his tiny Penis can't keep you going long enough. Not only is there differences in how each man works but their is a difference in price aswell, the man who HAS to use all this crap to keep you happy costs more.

Replace Penis with CPU/GPU and tongue/fingers/etc with Blu-Ray/WiFi/SIXAXIS and you have the basic equation. I'm sure the numbers have been discussed enough already but if any new member is doubting to why the 360 is Hardware Technically Superior, feel free to be shut up.

Christ Xeoset, way to verbally rape my brain.

I'm going to make my own less gay version of that.

The Xbox 360 is like a woman that looks good. There are lots of them and they're not hard to get hold of.

The Playstation 3 is like a women who not only looks good, has a good personality, comes with a high paying job, cooking experience, knows how to iron a shirt perfectly. However this women is also hard to get hold of and requires some work.


EDIT: Xeoset thinks of his Xbox 360 as a bloke with a big pecker lololol

[B-MetalSucks]

/thread already, we have everyones opinion and of course MooCowz "facts," so why not lock it up already. That and we can all pretend that Xeo didn't go all gay on us. :)

[Nocturnal]

I'm guessing this thread went something like this.

"See, PS3 blows"
"noway fanboy, Time is teh retards"


I think the article is accurate, for 2006 the PS3 has been a bust, in the business sense at least. As far as the actual technology, the jury is still out.

[xeoset]

/thread already, we have everyones opinion and of course MooCowz "facts," so why not lock it up already. That and we can all pretend that Xeo didn't go all gay on us. :)

Hey, I made that at around 3am. Reading all the crap the queers have written in this Thread, my thoughts reaked of what some of these guys get up to on Tuesdays. I would re-word my Post, but I seriosuly can't be arsed, just get past the "Ghey" and you get the jist.

[rand0m]

Don't try to deny it Xeoset

We all know your dark desires, however who be it for us to judge. Just ... just keep it to yourself next time ok?

[xeoset]

Don't try to deny it Xeoset

We all know your dark desires, however who be it for us to judge. Just ... just keep it to yourself next time ok?

Xeoset thinks of his Xbox 360 as a bloke with a big pecker lololol

The fact you made the above Statement, just proves what a real child you are. Pitting jokes about someones Sexuality pretty much died in the 80's and the fact you need to joke about such Topic makes you look like your trying to denying something going on in your own head :bigwink:

And even if I were a Homosexual, what has that to do with you, let alone the fact Time Magazine blantantly called the PS3 a big pile of shit after a first hand Experience?

[rand0m]

The fact you made the above Statement, just proves what a real child you are. Pitting jokes about someones Sexuality pretty much died in the 80's and the fact you need to joke about such Topic makes you look like your trying to denying something going on in your own head :bigwink:

You really need to get a sense of humor.

Plus get a sarcasm detector while your at it.

Oh and don't forget a 'taking the piss' meter.

And even if I were a Homosexual, what has that to do with you, let alone the fact Time Magazine blantantly called the PS3 a big pile of shit after a first hand Experience?

It has nothing to do with me, however its just sort of funny your whole post was dripping in it.

Oh and about Time magazine, we pretty much summoned up that Time is Microsofts bitch.