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patriotwarrior7
12-29-2006, 12:05 AM
US says global warming threatens polar bears (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f673569a-95ff-11db-9976-0000779e2340.html)

By Stephanie Kirchgaessner in New York
Published: December 27 2006 23:30 | Last updated: December 27 2006 23:30

Polar bears should be classified as a threatened species because global warming could cause their habitat to melt away, the Bush administration said on Wednesday.

The iconic arctic animals were being threatened by receding ice, said Dirk Kempthorne, secretary of the Interior Department, who stopped short of calling for an investigation into the causes of climate change, saying the issue was beyond his department’s remit.

“We need to just concentrate and focus on the species and its habitat,” he said, adding the George W. Bush administration had already spent $29bn researching climate change issues and related technology.

While the proposal did not represent a clear departure from the Bush administration’s stance on global warming, it marked the first time the White House had pointed to climate change as a phenomenon that could threaten the survival of a species.

Administration officials said they proposed adding polar bears to the threatened species list because Fish and Wildlife Service biologists feared that Alaska’s population of polar bears could experience a significant decline in the future.

There are thought to be between 20,000 and 25,000 polar bears worldwide, most living in Greenland and Norway. But almost 5,000 live mainly in Alaska and travel to Canada and Russia.

Recent scientific studies of adult polar bears in Canada and in Alaska’s Southern Beaufort Sea found have found weight loss among the species and reduced cub survival. In Canada’s western Hudson Bay, the population of polar bears has already declined 22 per cent.

The Fish and Wildlife Service will initiate a 12-month review of polar bears’ current and future status before determining whether the species should be placed on the threatened list.

Dale Hall, director of the US Fish and Wildlife Service, said that if the polar bear was placed on the threatened list, the service would engage groups ranging from Alaskans to native Americans to scientists to “sit down and help us craft a recovery plan”.

Although Mr Kempthorne said the nation’s fish and wildlife service would not be asked to make a determination on why arctic sea ice was thinning, he emphasised that one potential environmental factor – oil and gas exploration – had “no negative impact on polar bears”.

The conclusion contradicted a separate statement by the US Fish and Wildlife Service, which said that demands of oil and natural gas, and other resources in Alaska have led to “some conflicts” between polar bears and humans.

Ed Markey, a senior Democratic lawmaker on the House energy committee, said that the development “may signal the beginning of the end” of the Bush administration’s policy of “global warming denial”.

“After giving the cold shoulder to conservation, Kyoto, and better fuel economy standards, they seem to be warming up to protecting an icon of American wildlife,” Mr Markey said.

Separately, Shell said on Wednesday it had hired Gale Norton, the former secretary of the Interior Department, to serve as a counsel for the Dutch oil giant.

The announcement from the energy company comes as the Bush administration is expected to face increased scrutiny by Congress on its ties to the oil and gas industry. This could include questions about whether the Interior Department has adequately collected royalty payments from oil and gas groups extracting resources from federally owned land.
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I saw a Discovery Channel (well, one of those channels) show yesterday about how the iceberg that sank the Titanic was formed and how it ended up where it did (the dynamics of an iceberg, etc).

Anyhow, at the end they mentioned that global warming could melt the ice pack which would then affect the currents in the north Atlantic, which would then bring on an ice age.....or something like that. I wasn't paying attention that closely, and it surprised me with its weird logic (warming will cause melting which will cause freezing).

Anyhow, at the end they mentioned that global warming could melt the ice pack which would then affect the currents in the north Atlantic, which would then bring on an ice age.....or something like that. I wasn't paying attention that closely, and it surprised me with its weird logic (warming will cause melting which will cause freezing).

I think I need to stand on a street corner tomorrow and yell at cars as they pass by:

"Why do you hate the polar bears?!?"

sweet
12-29-2006, 01:40 AM
I saw that show to it was pretty interesting.

K@mik@ze
12-29-2006, 01:57 AM
I know, its that button that Bush has that creates disaster! I knew he was behind this.

bergshadow
12-29-2006, 02:55 AM
I know, its that button that Bush has that creates disaster!
Not exactly a button. More of an ATM keyboard: Interior Secretary Gale Norton will resign today, the Associated Press has confirmed. Norton, photographed at left with fallen conservative lobbyist Jack Abramoff, was fingered in deals with Native American tribes that Abramoff represented. The photograph at left was released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request. - - Before being appointed Secretary of the Interior, Norton served as George W. Bush's environmental advisor during his campaign. In 2000 she entered private practice with Brownstein, Hyatt, and Ferber, "Denver's most politically connected law firm." (Rocky Mountain News, Dec. 30, 2000). The firm represents numerous developers and oil companies in Colorado and reportedly has considerable clout on the national political scene. Norton is a registered lobbyist for BHF. ��In addition to the law firm, she was registered with the state of Colorado as a lobbyist for the City of Black Hawk, CO, and NL Industries, which is controlled by the Tremont Corporation. ��Norton registered to lobby Congress and the Colorado state legislature in behalf of NL Industries, a Houston company formerly known as National Lead Co. The company has been named as a defendant in suits involving 75 Superfund or other toxic-waste sites, plus a dozen lawsuits involving children allegedly poisoned by lead paint. (Denver Post, 1/5/01) - - The next big push at the Interior Department is likely to be the privatization of thousands of National Park Service jobs, including the entire corps of park scientists. The government-wide "competitive sourcing" initiative, being promoted by Bush and his Office of Management and Budget, targets as many as 850,000 jobs in the largely unionized federal workforce to be replaced by private Contractors, including up to 11,524 out of 16,470 National Park Service jobs.
- - - Ruch claims that replacing park scientists will lead to "private consulting firms telling the Park Service what it wants to hear in order to get their contracts renewed."
With the Department of the Interior also promoting recreational user fees, corporate sponsorship of park activities, and partnerships for bio-prospecting (companies looking to develop new drugs from microbes, plants, and animals) in the parks, - - - park management given over to private firms, "with expertise in people-moving such as Walt Disney," seems consistent with Norton's policies.
- - On the evening of Friday, April 11, after Congress had recessed for spring break, the Department of the Interior quietly released a statement announcing that, after almost forty years of scenic and biologically important habitat protections under the Wilderness Act, it would no longer seek any additional wilderness designations on public lands. This potentially opens up some 250 million acres of federal rangelands and Western mountains to mining, drilling, road construction, and other forms of development.
In 1993, Attorney General Norton failed to enforce the Clean Air Act against the Hayden coal-fired power plant in northern Colorado. This facility's pollution was so severe that it was measurably increasing acid rain damage in Rocky Mountain National Park and Colorado wilderness areas. Her failure to enforce the law came despite her statements that she prefer delegating enforcement authority to the states, as this power was. Ultimately, a private lawsuit, a federal court action and the U.S. EPA got the act enforced, the private corporation operating the plant acknowledged their violations and settled with EPA, and the pollution was reduced. (Denver Post 1/7/01)
Similarly, Ms. Norton failed to enforce federal or state law against operators of the Summitville Mine after a tailings pond there collapsed, sending high-acid pollution into natural streams, killing all life in them for thirty miles. (New York Times, 1/6/01)
She did not take action against Louisiana-Pacific, operators of a wood products plant near Olathe, Colorado, despite evidence from a successful citizens' lawsuit showed that the plant was intentionally dumping illegal levels of air pollution at night. Federal prosecutors had to step in, confirming 18 separate illegal dumping violations and exacting over $30 million in fines. (Denver Post 1/7/01)
Ms. Norton also took no action against a petroleum company that spilled oil into Sand Creek near Denver. A suit by the Sierra Club finally brought a $1 million penalty.
Norton is also a registered lobbyist for NL Industries of Houston. NL Industries, formerly known as the National Lead Company, has been sued for children's exposure to lead paint.
Norton has been involved in controversial environmental issues throughout her career as Interior Secretary and made the decision to support the diversion of water from the Klamath River to farmers during a drought (under heavy pressure from the farmers). This cut off of water for struggling salmon populations and Native American fisheries downstream. Norton argued that by diverting water to farmers it would create a "market system" and Native Americans could then purchase the water from the farmers, despite the fact that the Native Americans had treaty rights that predate the settlement of the farmers.
Separately, Shell said on Wednesday it had hired Gale Norton, the former secretary of the Interior Department, to serve as a counsel for the Dutch oil giant.

The announcement from the energy company comes as the Bush administration is expected to face increased scrutiny by Congress on its ties to the oil and gas industry. This could include questions about whether the Interior Department has adequately collected royalty payments from oil and gas groups extracting resources from federally owned land.

Nocturnal
12-29-2006, 10:43 AM
I know, its that button that Bush has that creates disaster! I knew he was behind this.

Not just Bush I'm afraid. Global warming is not being reduced/prevented because of the entire anti-science crowd.

I for one agree. Science is the devil's work.

poop100
12-29-2006, 11:25 AM
I know a way to stop global warming! Just cancel it out with neucular winter.

sweet
12-29-2006, 02:15 PM
I think they say china is the cause of global warming. With all the coal that they burn.

britishbulldog
12-29-2006, 07:19 PM
No-one from the western world can stop global warming. There will be no way to convince a developing china to stop burning fossil fuels. We are screwed.

Nocturnal
12-29-2006, 07:47 PM
No-one from the western world can stop global warming. There will be no way to convince a developing china to stop burning fossil fuels. We are screwed.

I think it's a real possibility that China will "go green" before the US does.

britishbulldog
12-29-2006, 08:00 PM
I think it's a real possibility that China will "go green" before the US does.

Say WHAT nigga?! Any proof/reason?

Nocturnal
12-29-2006, 08:13 PM
China has already decided that being green is the best way to grow. Now the question remains how much they are willing to spend on it, and if the technology is there. The Chinease have one major benefit in that area, if the leadership wants it to happen, it will happen. In the Western world we have a brazillion competing influences that make those sorts of things happen very slow (or not at all)

My only hope is that this provides us with a new "Sputnik" type moment and wakes us up to our relative decline in the sciences.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/060612/12china.htm

China's Renewal
Hungry for fuel, it emerges as a leader in alternative energy
By Bay Fang

6/12/06

BEIJING--At first glance, the Tian Pu factory looks like a typical warehouse on the outskirts of Beijing. The bright sun glints off the building's blue-tiled facade, and the surrounding fields are reflected in the smoky glass windows. But upon closer inspection, it becomes apparent that this is a vision of the future. Each tile is actually a solar panel, generating 50 watts of power. The windows up top are covered with higher-capacity panels, a darker, muted blue. Farther down, thick metallic tubes lean at an angle against the building. This factory, which produces solar water heaters, is a pilot project of China's Academy of Sciences--a fully self-sufficient facility run entirely on solar power.

http://watthead.blogspot.com/2005/11/is-red-china-going-green.html

.Communist
12-29-2006, 10:26 PM
US says global warming threatens polar bears

.Communist says Duh