HD-DVD? Blue-Ray?

[rand0m]

Ok, so there has been a lot of Bullshit been thrown around recently concerning the Next-Generation HD Disks.

Now since the Xbox 360 has an external HD-DVD Drive accessories and the Playstation 3 comes with a Blue-Ray drive, its quite a touchy subject in this forum.

So lets clear the facts up, starting with the Hardware specs:

Laser wavelength
Blue-Ray = 405 Nanometers
HD-DVD = 405 Nanometers

Numerical aperture
Blue-Ray = 0.85
HD-DVD = 0.65

Storage capacity single layer
Blue-Ray = 25 GB
HD-DVD = 15 GB

Storage capacity dual layer
Blue-Ray = 50 GB
HD-DVD = 30 GB

Playback time on two layers (Standard Definition)
Blue-Ray = 23 hours
HD-DVD = 13.8 hours

Playback time on two layers (High Definition)
Blue-Ray = 9 hours
HD-DVD = 8 hours

Video codecs
Blue-Ray = MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) / VC-1 / MPEG-2
HD-DVD = MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) / VC-1 / MPEG-2

Audio codecs lossless (mandatory)
Blue-Ray = Linear PCM/MLP(TRUE HD)[2-ch]
HD-DVD = Linear PCM/MLP(TRUE HD)[2-ch]

Audio codecs lossless (optional)
Blue-Ray = DTS HD (lossless) & PCM5.1 (lossless)
HD-DVD = DTS HD (lossless)

Audio codecs lossy (mandatory)
Blue-Ray = Dolby Digital Plus/DTS/Dolby Digital/MPEG Audio
HD-DVD = Dolby Digital Plus/DTS/Dolby Digital/MPEG Audio

Maximum data transfer rate
Blue-Ray = 54.0 Mbit/s
HD-DVD = 36.55 Mbit/s

Video systems (maximum)
Blue-Ray = 1920x1080 50/60 Progressive HDTV
HD-DVD = 1920x1080 50/60 Progressive HDTV

Now please note, both disks support the same formats and codex's.

Other things you might want to note are HD-DVD disks currently use the same polymer composite to coat their disks as the old DVD, which is proving currently a little sketchy and scratch prone. However since the Data is written further below the surface the data is still usually intact.

Blue-Ray developers have foreseen scratches been a serious problem for the disks since Blue-Ray disks write data a lot closer to the surface than HD-DVD's. So they have incorporated DURABIS (http://www.durabis.com/en/index.htm) in the disks.

DURABIS is TDK's innovative hard coating technology which reinforces and protects the recording surface of its optical disc products. The result of a multi-year development effort, this proprietary technology exemplifies TDK's technological prowess as the recording media leader.

Initially referred to as Super Hard Coating, DURABIS is now the official worldwide name of this breakthrough technology.

Ok, now if you would like to add anything to this or state any mistakes please say so in an orderly manner.

[SIKKENT]

ill ask one question.

when the VHS vs. ???? war was going on about 20 years ago, was there any difference in terms of the quality of the picture and things like pricing?? was VHS the winner because it was better or did it have more support from studios/public??

[Thomson]

all those stats don't mean shit.

the average consumer doesn't know or care about any of that.

HD-DVD is the clear winner, it was from the start.

Blue ray will just fade away in the next 3-4 years.

[Nocturnal]

I give both of these technologies a 5 year life span. They will both probably end up like Laserdisc.

Downloads are the future.
ill ask one question.

when the VHS vs. ???? war was going on about 20 years ago, was there any difference in terms of the quality of the picture and things like pricing?? was VHS the winner because it was better or did it have more support from studios/public??

Beta was supposedly better.

VHS one because it had more movie studio support

[MooCowzRock]

I give both of these technologies a 5 year life span. They will both probably end up like Laserdisc.

Downloads are the future.


Beta was supposedly better.

VHS one because it had more movie studio support

Yeah, Beta was much better technology and quality, but the marketing for it was crap, so VHS eventually won...its all about how you market and who you ally, because the average consumer is too lazy to research the difference between the two...

[Strike-Anywhere]

Yeah, Beta was much better technology and quality, but the marketing for it was crap, so VHS eventually won...its all about how you market and who you ally, because the average consumer is too lazy to research the difference between the two...

it's scary, 80% of people believe they are watching in High Definition...59% of them had standard definition DVD players

[Fag Boy]

VHS one because it had more movie studio support

no, vhs won because of the one simple fact, which is all that matters.

It was cheaper

oh and that thing you said about studio support, which people like to claim blu-ray the most. Well lets just ignore the fact that their are a total of 131 HD-DVD titles avaliable, and 132 Blu-ray titles avaliable. Thats a solid argument.




and can someone please tell me what the fuck this has to do with video games, why do you people keep posting this stuff in here, theirs is a section for movies for a reason you know.

[Strike-Anywhere]

no, vhs won because of the one simple fact, which is all that matters.

It was cheaper

oh and that thing you said about studio support, which people like to claim blu-ray the most. Well lets just ignore the fact that their are a total of 131 HD-DVD titles avaliable, and 132 Blu-ray titles avaliable. Thats a solid argument.




and can someone please tell me what the fuck this has to do with video games, why do you people keep posting this stuff in here, theirs is a section for movies for a reason you know.

because there's nowhere else to put it, the videogames thread is basically the electronics thread.

the movies thread is specifically about movies, so stop bitching.

[Keenan]

no, vhs won because of the one simple fact, which is all that matters.

It was cheaper

oh and that thing you said about studio support, which people like to claim blu-ray the most. Well lets just ignore the fact that their are a total of 131 HD-DVD titles avaliable, and 132 Blu-ray titles avaliable. Thats a solid argument.




and can someone please tell me what the fuck this has to do with video games, why do you people keep posting this stuff in here, theirs is a section for movies for a reason you know.


Your name suits you well.

[MexAmercn_Moose]

which one is cheaper?...ill take the cheapest one, being that they are almost exactly alike

[Strike-Anywhere]

which one is cheaper?...ill take the cheapest one, being that they are almost exactly alike

the cheapest HD-DVD player is the xbox 360 add-on for $200 (got mine for $160) and the cheapest blu ray is the 20GB PS3 (20GB is very hard to find, you'll find the 60GB) for $500, but $600 is most likely due to how little 20GB's are avalible.

stand-alone players are typically HD-DVD being literally half the price of blu-ray ($500 vs. $1,000)

[MooCowzRock]

which one is cheaper?...ill take the cheapest one, being that they are almost exactly alike

They are close in price.

You can find an alright HD DVD player for about 400-500 dollars, or you can buy a PS3 and have a Blu-ray player, or buy a core 360 with an HD-DVD add-on for 500 dollars...

[MooCowzRock]

the cheapest HD-DVD player is the xbox 360 add-on for $200 (got mine for $160) and the cheapest blu ray is the PS3 for $500

stand-alone players are typically HD-DVD being literally half the price of blu-ray ($500 vs. $1,000)

lol, I love how carefully you listed the prices...I cant tell if you did it unconsciously, or you did it on purpose, but I find it hilarious.

[Strike-Anywhere]

lol, I love how carefully you listed the prices...I cant tell if you did it unconsciously, or you did it on purpose, but I find it hilarious.

huh?

not understanding what you said..i'm unconscious?

[Fag Boy]

Your name suits you well.

Thats a solid point you made their, you totally owned me. Good job on everyone trying to act like my post never happened, and just ignore what i said. Its obvious you knew i was right, this is all you could think off.


Im glad you "pwn'd" me so hard, i really like taking it in the ass like that.

because there's nowhere else to put it, the videogames thread is basically the electronics thread.

the movies thread is specifically about movies, so stop bitching.

and no jackass, that section is not "specifically about movies". Its called Movies and Television, and its things that have to do with either Movies or Television. This post has nothing to do with video games, this thread is specifically about MOVIES, not games. The only reason its here is because people like to get boners posting things that they think make their ps3 look special.



you cant win, so their is really no point in even replying

[B-MetalSucks]

Well considering both the PS3 and 360 deal with these formats there's a good reason to post this thread here. Why in the fuck are you all red-assed about it anyway? Are you forced to read every thread in here?

[Fag Boy]

Well considering both the PS3 and 360 deal with these formats there's a good reason to post this thread here. Why in the fuck are you all red-assed about it anyway? Are you forced to read every thread in here?

yeah, and both xbox and ps2 used DVD.


How many threads have people made in here out new DVD releases?

[MooCowzRock]

yeah, and both xbox and ps2 used DVD.


How many threads have people made in here out new DVD releases?

Tis is next gen, you moron...The results of this format war directly affects the consoles. If wither one fails, it is a huge blow to the corresponding console and may affect the gaming industry for a decade, maybe even taking one company out of the running.

HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray has EVERYTHING to do with videogames right now.

[Fag Boy]

Tis is next gen, you moron...The results of this format war directly affects the consoles. If wither one fails, it is a huge blow to the corresponding console and may affect the gaming industry for a decade, maybe even taking one company out of the running.

HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray has EVERYTHING to do with videogames right now.

NO, this dosnt have EVERYTHING to do with videogames right now, you moron. UMD floped big time. When did they stop making games for the PSP? If one of these format fails, it will not make any difference. New movies coming out has nothing to do with video games. Just answer this one question in your head and then come back and dont reply because you will just be proving my point.


If HD-DVD or Blu-Ray fails, will they stop making games for the PS3 or Xbox 360?

[MexAmercn_Moose]

Fag Boy...although very gay, certainly makes a decent point, but i guess that he put this thread in the VG section because he wanted to see fanboys go at it

[B-MetalSucks]

My question is why does he give a flying fuck? Is the universe going to unravel if this thread isn't moved? Is he the thread police? If so can't he arrest the original poster and end all the bitching?

[Al Paccioli]

My question is why does he give a flying fuck? Is the universe going to unravel if this thread isn't moved? Is he the thread police? If so can't he arrest the original poster and end all the bitching?

"Oh fuck you totally owned me, I'm so fucking owned, good job" :blahblah:

This guy is more annoying than xeoset.

Blu Ray has exclusive support from the Porn Industry and Disney, so it's never going to die.

[Pillow]

The internet has all the Porn Industry exclusives I could ever want.


There needs to be an *OFFICIAL* Format War Thread.


Even though the console war thread doesn't work.

[Nocturnal]

no, vhs won because of the one simple fact, which is all that matters.

It was cheaper

oh and that thing you said about studio support, which people like to claim blu-ray the most. Well lets just ignore the fact that their are a total of 131 HD-DVD titles avaliable, and 132 Blu-ray titles avaliable. Thats a solid argument.




and can someone please tell me what the fuck this has to do with video games, why do you people keep posting this stuff in here, theirs is a section for movies for a reason you know.

What the heck are you talking about? I don't believe I voiced in either way (although I'd prefer HD to win)

Everything I've read gave VHS the advantage because you couldn't find enough movies on Beta. Now, that will definitely be a chicken or egg argument (price meant less customers meant less moviews - less customers etc.) but that's what they say.

[xeoset]

Blu Ray has exclusive support from the Porn Industry and Disney, so it's never going to die.

Fuck you.

It has support from one Studio that's only worth £5 Million. It's some 80's re-distributor that re-worked the old Movies to fit 'X' amount of Pixels. Nice support going there.

And why the fuck is this in the Video Games Section. We do have a movie Section.

[rand0m]

Xeoset your ment to read other peoples posts and replys before you post.

The reason this is in the Video Games forums is due to the fact Blue-Ray vs HD-DVD is a very big factor in the Playstation 3 vs Xbox 360. Secondly, there seems to be alot of false facts been throw around about certain codex support and storage capabilities.

To anyone else that feels like they need to share the fact this is a 'video games forum' and not a 'movies' forum, please just let it go.

[xeoset]

Only Sony and it's User Base have to worry about their Next-Gen Format getting ahead because they're stuck with it. If BluRay fails, their product does.

Microsoft have even stated if HD-DVD comes second, they'll adopt BluRay. The only problem they have is what to do with the left over Drives.

Also, all those Video Codecs listed, MS owns 2/3 of them and whoever needs to use/distribute said Codecs will be paying a pretty penny to Microsoft.

[Trenaur]

Yeah, HD DVD increased capacity so your stats are wrong. I didn't bother reading the rest since apparently your information is dated. I personally don't give a shit who wins, nor do I think either format is going to "win" akin to the deal between VHS and Beta.

[rand0m]

Yeah, HD DVD increased capacity so your stats are wrong. I didn't bother reading the rest since apparently your information is dated. I personally don't give a shit who wins, nor do I think either format is going to "win" akin to the deal between VHS and Beta.

What you mean that the HD-DVD had a concept design which could increase capacity to 50gig ...

There are concept designs for the Blue-Ray disk that make give it 200Gig ...

In the VHS-Betamax war ...
The first battleground was recording time. The original Betamax systems of the NTSC television system could record for a maximum of one hour, which was not enough for a whole feature film. VHS could manage two hours, due to larger cassettes and slower tape speed; Sony responded with the "BII" speed which allowed for longer recording time at the expense of recording quality, quickly replacing "BI" as the default speed. Thinner tape allowed both formats to increase still further. For countries using the PAL television system, Beta could record for 3 hours and 15 minutes, compared to 3 hours for VHS, and both running times were extended with thinner tapes. With Long Play (LP) technology available by the mid-80s, a VHS cassette using the PAL system could run for up to 8 or even 10 hours, at the expense of picture quality and inter-machine compatibility. The longest Betamax tape marketed is the L-830 which runs for 3 hours and 35 minutes on the PAL system.

Betamax offered a slightly higher horizontal resolution (250 vs 240 lines for PAL), lower video noise, and less luma-chroma crosstalk than VHS, and was marketed as providing superior pictures to VHS. In practice, however, VHS picture quality was very similar to that from Beta, as the actual picture performance depended on other factors including the condition or quality of the tape, and individual video recorder models.

[clutch-monkey]

Blu Ray has exclusive support from the Porn Industry and Disney, so it's never going to die.
http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/11/ces2007_hddvd_blu_ray
.....

[Strike-Anywhere]

http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/11/ces2007_hddvd_blu_ray
.....

pwned, there goes the war, porno has always decided the format.

[clutch-monkey]

pwned, there goes the war, porno has always decided the format.
true, but won't the internet deaden the blow this time round? as in, most porn has shifted online, so what format the hardcopies are is less important

[MooCowzRock]

Here is what Wikipedia had to say about it:

In the week of December 24th, 2006, Blu-Ray sales surpassed HD-DVD sales by 20%. By the end of the first quarter of 2007, Blu-Ray is expected to outsell HD-DVD by a 3.5:1 ratio. Blu-Ray has a 96% market share in Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_Ray_Vs._HD-DVD

true, but won't the internet deaden the blow this time round? as in, most porn has shifted online, so what format the hardcopies are is less important

Exactly...Porn decided it before, because it wasnt common at all online...the internet was only just starting to grow. Now it is the primary source. No one buys videos or dvds of porn anymore...

[rand0m]

Yeah, who the fuck buys porn ...

[B-MetalSucks]

Yeah, who the fuck buys porn ...

People with dial-up?:dunce:

[Papero]

Yeah, who the fuck buys porn ...

People with money and enjoy seeing full, HD pronz? Rather then 30 second Altavista'd "Bewbz" and you jerk off as fast as you can to come to before the movie ends. But if you don't come you have to put it on repeat and eventually it gets old ;(

[bigjohn711]

ill ask one question.

when the VHS vs. ???? war was going on about 20 years ago, was there any difference in terms of the quality of the picture and things like pricing?? was VHS the winner because it was better or did it have more support from studios/public??

batamax had better quality. VHS had better movies.

same thing with HD and Blu-ray. HD will probably take BR down because they just have so many movies.

[Wu-tang]

People with money and enjoy seeing full, HD pronz? Rather then 30 second Altavista'd "Bewbz" and you jerk off as fast as you can to come to before the movie ends. But if you don't come you have to put it on repeat and eventually it gets old ;(

Torrents, cheggit.net. :D

[MooCowzRock]

batamax had better quality. VHS had better movies.

same thing with HD and Blu-ray. HD will probably take BR down because they just have so many movies.

Except...they have almost the same number of movies and the industry is split down the middle...

And BluRay sales are now ahead of HDDVD on a monthly scale, even though at the time HDDVD has more overall sales because it was available earlier.

[Wu-tang]

This might just be me...but has anyone heard a mention of hd-dvd on commercials or anything like that? Every movie commercial/sign i've watched always says "available on DVD and blu-ray disk". I've never heard hd-dvd on tv/posters/radio etc.

[Strike-Anywhere]

i got my playstation 3 on monday, and i like blu-ray equally as HD-DVD. Looks great like HD-DVD. No dolby true HD but uncompressed PCM sounds great on Black Hawk Down.

Overall i really like the PS3 hardware...now if only they could get some damn games for it.

[Latino_Heat_1]

Does anyone know what amount of the public owns blu-ray players vs. hd-dvd players?

[eprops]

Taken from the newest issue of EGM





Blu-Ray (vs) HD-DVD




Price: $500/600 for PS3; $1000 for stand alone (vs) $200 for the Xbox360 add-on; $400-plus for a stand alone.

Storage: 50GB Dual Layer (vs) 30GB Dual Layer

Resolution: 1080p

Corporate Backers: Sony, Panasonic, Philips (vs) Toshiba, NEC

Hardware Manufactures: Sony, Panasonic, Phillips/Magnavox, LG, Mitsubishi, Pioneer, Samsung, Sharp (vs) Toshiba, Sanyo, Onkyo, Kenwood, Mitsubishi

Studio Support: Sony, Columbia Tri-Star and MGM, 20th Century Fox, Disney, Paramount, Warner Bros (vs) Universal, Paramount, Warner Bros

Best Flicks to Show it Off So Far: X-Men:The Last Stand, The Wild, Kingdom of Heaven, Pearl Harbor, Alien vs Predator, Talladega Nights, The Princess Bride (vs) King Kong, Batman Begins, Serenity, Apollo 13, Miami Vice, The Bourne Supremacy, U-571, The Adventures of Robin Hood


The 360 HD-DVD Player: After an easy set up and navigation via the familiar Xbox 360 dashboard, flicks like Serenity and The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift played lag free even when in movie special features were activated. Colors, however, were muddled and fine details were a little fuzzier compared to other HD-DVD drives.

Bottom Line: Among the worst players out there, but what do you expect for only $200? (Stand-alone units cost twice that.)

The PS3 Blu-ray Player: The image quality is fantastic-sharper than the 360's HD-DVD counterpart. After subjecting ourselves to the hellish landscapes of Silent Hill and (shudder) Little Man, the color contrasts were nigh flawless-you could almost feel blood splattering in your face. Still, the interface suffers from Sony's counter intuitive layout, but its definitely improved from the PS2 as a movie player.

Bottom Line: A good player compared to stand alone units.

[MooCowzRock]

It is misleading to list the PS3 bluray player as 5-600 dollars and the 360 HD-DVD player as just 200 dollars...It is 500-600 dollars also, because it requires the xbox 360 to use it...so if you're buying it with the consoles, they are the same price.

[Fag Boy]

It is misleading to list the PS3 bluray player as 5-600 dollars and the 360 HD-DVD player as just 200 dollars...It is 500-600 dollars also, because it requires the xbox 360 to use it...so if you're buying it with the consoles, they are the same price.

No, it doesn't require an xbox 360. It cost $200, no matter how you cut it or dance around it. In the end it cost $200. It can be used on your xbox 360 OR a pc. So going by your logic it cost me at least $500 to use the internet, because after all I do need a computer right. Also you cant watch TV for free going by your logic. You have to pay for a TV, thats going to cost at least $100. Time after time you make a shitty argument, and you still cant figure out youre dumbass. Do you always have to be wrong, and thats a serious question.

[Burningnun]

The whole porn thing seems to be bullshit anyway. http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37021

[rand0m]

Holy shit porn on a PSP ...

fuckme backwards if that isnt a fucking awsome selling point?!?

[MooCowzRock]

Holy shit porn on a PSP ...

fuckme backwards if that isnt a fucking awsome selling point?!?

lol...thats what sold the PSP for me, at least...;)

[shizzle69]

Please tell me theres a way to put porn on a ds:wah:

[xeoset]

Please tell me theres a way to put porn on a ds:wah:

Slot-2's + Slot-1's.

[Tanooki]

Like in this month's current EGM issue, porn will be a major factor which format will suceed.

[Burningnun]

Word has it flash memory will bitch slap both formats into next week.