"Blu-Ray is too small for MGS4" Kojima wants 50 GB Blu-Ray

[Keenan]

Audio clip here http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QPELQCTS

Discuss...

[Turbocharger]

Oh Kojima, you so crazeh.

[Frosty]

Wow.

Talk about using it to its full potential...

[Lividum]

A fucking 50 GB game?! 50 fucking GIGABYTES?! For a game?! How the hell is that even possible? Shit, that's almost my full hard drive.

Jesus, my prediction of multiple terabyte games is going to come true.

[xeoset]

MGS as a Series has alot of Video Content within it. Now that we're in the HD era, the movie files are going to be large.

Now we all know that MGS has a large amount of cutscenes, dialogue, etc that uses them I'll get onto the fact the BluRay Drive is only a x2 speed drive. It would hinder the drives load for the amount of data it has to stream and looking at all the PS3 games so far, they require installations of the game to cut back load times.

Now, I'm not sure how much of Resistance was cut scenes but it totalled at 22 GB's. Why? They filled 12 GB's of it with padding data to push as the Data to the edge of the disc i.e. faster load times. So there's 10 GB's left so it won't it still won't fit on a DVD9. Wrong. That last 10 GB's was uncompressed so they could decrease load times AGAIN. All this trouble just so Sony can push their failing drive. If it was compressed Data I could see it falling to around 3-4 GB's because every texture in the game just looks like melted chocolate ice cream, so ALL textures won't be as large as say LoZ:TP or GoW.

Anyway, back to Kojima. It's obvious MGS4 will be a larger Game aswell as being a more detailed one compared to Resistance so the loads times will be fucking atrocious. Expect:

Large Install before you even play (I'm betting 7 GB).
Around 18+ GB's of padding Data.
Uncompressed Content (With the amount of CGI Movies in past MGS's, expect this to be the majority of the disc).

Kojima is hiding the reason why he needs the 50 GB Discs. He's building hype, even though it's because they've got horrible hardware to work with (BluRay).

/facts.

[dtorre]

Hmm I haven't had to download anything with any of my PS3 games....maybe resistance...don't remember...

also loading times are pretty damn good on all games...so wheres these unfounded complaints coming from? Do you even own a PS3?

[SIKKENT]

if that was aimed at xeoset, i think you might want to reread his post.

if not, im retarded

[dtorre]

Now we all know that MGS has a large amount of cutscenes, dialogue, etc that uses them I'll get onto the fact the BluRay Drive is only a x2 speed drive. It would hinder the drives load for the amount of data it has to stream and looking at all the PS3 games so far, they require installations of the game to cut back load times.


Hmm lets see in order....Madden 07 on the PS3 requires a 16 MB pre-game download...Tony Hawk 263MB...NFS Carbon 0MB...Blazing Angel's 0 MB...and Resistance Fall of man...yes only 167 MB...nothing atrocious here...all in all still well under 1 GB for 5 games....


Now, I'm not sure how much of Resistance was cut scenes but it totalled at 22 GB's. Why? They filled 12 GB's of it with padding data to push as the Data to the edge of the disc i.e. faster load times. So there's 10 GB's left so it won't it still won't fit on a DVD9. Wrong. That last 10 GB's was uncompressed so they could decrease load times AGAIN. All this trouble just so Sony can push their failing drive. If it was compressed Data I could see it falling to around 3-4 GB's because every texture in the game just looks like melted chocolate ice cream, so ALL textures won't be as large as say LoZ:TP or GoW.


Resistance was 22 GB in pre-production...but the final game is 16 GB....with 1 GB of that being just voice over work....12 GB of padding? Hardly its 420MB per region ...totaling in at less than half of what you stated..and the last 10 GB's wasn't just uncompressed data to help loading times ((which by the way are stellar))....Textures also were kept to the same level announced ((1080P was told never to have been supported from the getgo))


Anyway, back to Kojima. It's obvious MGS4 will be a larger Game aswell as being a more detailed one compared to Resistance so the loads times will be fucking atrocious. Expect:
Large Install before you even play (I'm betting 7 GB).
Around 18+ GB's of padding Data.
Uncompressed Content (With the amount of CGI Movies in past MGS's, expect this to be the majority of the disc).


LMAO where do you come up with these numbers....7 GB? ...Running with OS the base PS3 has 14.5 GB of HD remaining...you mean to tell me that to play this game you have to take up half the HD? Get real. 167 MB download for Resistance and yet this one is gonna be 7 GB ...wow this game must be larger than all 7 games I currently own...before you start pulling numbers out of your ass get some factual support behind it. That 7 GB is more realistic for padding data than for download. Uncompressed data being the majority of the disc?!?! Please point out one game in which uncompressed data even comes close to having a majority of the disc space in a game.


Kojima is hiding the reason why he needs the 50 GB Discs. He's building hype, even though it's because they've got horrible hardware to work with (BluRay

/facts.

Wow since you added "/facts" on there...its now factual.....1 this game isn't even out yet....2 all of your numbers are completely retarded and nowhere near real world....3 your obviously biased by calling BluRay horrible hardware...4 the reason why they need 50 GB discs...is the same reason why previous gen games needed 2-4 discs....its going to be an expansive game ...this time in HD....by what your saying over 25 GB is gonna go towards uncom content....><.... so their gonna need ...let me get this straight one and a quarter base PS3 harddrives worth of disc space to just pad this game for load times....

http://www.geocities.com/thejesustrip/jesusgame.jpg

[dtorre]

if that was aimed at xeoset, i think you might want to reread his post.

if not, im retarded

ya that was aimed at him....looking and your still retarded ;)

[xeoset]

And for my 1000 post.

Dtorre. My numbers are wrong? Well, the installation ones might be because I got them all from around other Forums. But the Padding Data and such aren't, read this fuck job.

Spreadsheet showing the amount of Padding Data used within Resistance. Want to suck mah bawlls now? (http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1379/rfomfilesln8.png)

[dtorre]

You got your data from fourms...such credible sources.......

and whats that table prove? No where do I see anything saying Resistance.......what is that supposed to be some leaked spreadsheet of the games final composite? I see a 25.12109 selected...what does that mean?

[xeoset]

You got your data from fourms...such credible sources.......

and whats that table prove? No where do I see anything saying Resistance.......what is that supposed to be some leaked spreadsheet of the games final composite? I see a 25.12109 selected...what does that mean?

If you actually bothered to read the File names, those BIN. and AVI. Files are padding data that's not needed. The numbers to the right of the are in MB's. The whole of the Data goes on for fucking ages. One of the very first numbers is almost 400 MB of padding, which is 20 off the total you gave earlier. The padding reached 12 GB's, not the 420 MB's you said.

[dtorre]

Im gonna go with no....

[rand0m]

Xeoset is just upset this means that MGS4 will probably never go to Xbox 360, and if it does it will be a watered down crap version.

Plus cant find the interview however they have stated they have cut down on cutscenes, due to pressure.

[ThaiTanium22]

The file is unavailable right now but if this is the interview I think it is, he's not saying that Metal Gear Solid 4 will need a 50 GB Blu-Ray disk but that future high definition games will need disks larger than 50 GB.

[xeoset]

Xeoset is just upset this means that MGS4 will probably never go to Xbox 360, and if it does it will be a watered down crap version.

Plus cant find the interview however they have stated they have cut down on cutscenes, due to pressure.

1. I don't enjoy the MGS Series. If I have to watch something as much as I play it I would of waited for a movie based upon it. I'm a Splinter Cell guy.
2. Like Resistance, this will be uncompressed and padded. It could easily be done on the 360 once compressed and they take out the rubbish data.
3. I'm getting a PS3 in two months so what's the hubbabub about?

[ZeroTigerX]

3. I'm getting a PS3 in two months so what's the hubbabub about?

Are you gonna burn it while making love to your sexbox 360?

[MasterChef]

Like Resistance, this will be uncompressed and padded. It could easily be done on the 360 once compressed and they take out the rubbish data.

Resistance: Fall of Man was compressed to 16GB. :ahhh:

[aoplayo]

Come on guys can we not get any nerdier?

[MasterChef]

Come on guys can we not get any nerdier?
That's a stupid question.

Of course it could.

Exhibit A:
I heareby declare that Darth Vader did, in fact, use force deflection to block Han Solo's blaster fire, and not a magnetised glove.

[AsHopeDies]

Hmm I haven't had to download anything with any of my PS3 games....maybe resistance...don't remember...

also loading times are pretty damn good on all games...so wheres these unfounded complaints coming from? Do you even own a PS3?

I'm quoting just to tell you that you are a moron...simply based on your signature...not as much based on the other things you've said.

[Sleek]

MGS as a Series has alot of Video Content within it. Now that we're in the HD era, the movie files are going to be large.

Now we all know that MGS has a large amount of cutscenes, dialogue, etc that uses them I'll get onto the fact the BluRay Drive is only a x2 speed drive. It would hinder the drives load for the amount of data it has to stream and looking at all the PS3 games so far, they require installations of the game to cut back load times.

Now, I'm not sure how much of Resistance was cut scenes but it totalled at 22 GB's. Why? They filled 12 GB's of it with padding data to push as the Data to the edge of the disc i.e. faster load times. So there's 10 GB's left so it won't it still won't fit on a DVD9. Wrong. That last 10 GB's was uncompressed so they could decrease load times AGAIN. All this trouble just so Sony can push their failing drive. If it was compressed Data I could see it falling to around 3-4 GB's because every texture in the game just looks like melted chocolate ice cream, so ALL textures won't be as large as say LoZ:TP or GoW.

Anyway, back to Kojima. It's obvious MGS4 will be a larger Game aswell as being a more detailed one compared to Resistance so the loads times will be fucking atrocious. Expect:

Large Install before you even play (I'm betting 7 GB).
Around 18+ GB's of padding Data.
Uncompressed Content (With the amount of CGI Movies in past MGS's, expect this to be the majority of the disc).

Kojima is hiding the reason why he needs the 50 GB Discs. He's building hype, even though it's because they've got horrible hardware to work with (BluRay).

/facts.

Xeoset, I'm by no means a PS3 fanboy, but please shut the fuck up. Who cares about all that shit. Why would Kojima want to hide the reason he needs 50Gb discs.

Why are you attacking the PS3 anyway. This was hardly a fanboy thread.

EDIT: If your getting a PS3 fair enough, but why bother with the essay post.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Yay! MSG4, now with longer load times!

[Al Paccioli]

If someone prefers Splinter Cell to Metal Gear Solid, that's fucked up.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Now that you mention it...

More realistic gameplay.
More realistic story lines.
Better use of graphics for gameplay purposes.
Created by a world reknown writer, who is responsible for blockbuster video games, books, and movies.
The main character never had a mullet.
The main character isn't named "Snake".

Yeah, I never thought of it, but I do prefer Splinter Cell.

Edit:

Ah, yes, interesting little Factoid. Snake Pliskin is the main character of Escape from New York and Escape from L.A. In MSGS2, when Snake is talking to Raiden after first encountering the Vamp guy, he tells him that his name is Pliskin.

[Al Paccioli]

Now that you mention it...

More realistic gameplay.
More realistic story lines.
Better use of graphics for gameplay purposes.
Created by a world reknown writer, who is responsible for blockbuster video games, books, and movies.
The main character never had a mullet.
The main character isn't named "Snake".

Yeah, I never thought of it, but I do prefer Splinter Cell.

Edit:

Ah, yes, interesting little Factoid. Snake Pliskin is the main character of Escape from New York and Escape from L.A. In MSGS2, when Snake is talking to Raiden after first encountering the Vamp guy, he tells him that his name is Pliskin.

Fuck no, comparing MGS to Splinter Cell is like comparing any other generic sandbox clone to GTA, you're out of your fucking league.

The basic gameplay in any Splinter Cell game does little outside out of anything in a 007 game, the storylines never go any farther than "generic terrorist has generic weapon and you, generic agent must stop them", there is little to no character development, the graphics are NOT better, Tom Clancy is a retard, and if his shit appeals to you that's like enjoying "War Stories" with that fucking cunt Oliver North, mullets kick ass, and so do snakes.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=five_shitty_movies
Scroll down to the sum of all fears.

[weister42]

I feel bad for the game developer...50gigs worth of video/data WOW

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Fuck no, comparing MGS to Splinter Cell is like comparing any other generic sandbox clone to GTA, you're out of your fucking league.

You just said:

MGS is to Splinter Cell as "any other generic sandbox clone" is to GTA.

Than you told me that I'm out of my league. I think you meant to flip one of those two around. You're ranking MGS down next to "any other generic sandbox clone".

The basic gameplay in any Splinter Cell game does little outside out of anything in a 007 game, the storylines never go any farther than "generic terrorist has generic weapon and you, generic agent must stop them", there is little to no character development, the graphics are NOT better, Tom Clancy is a retard, and if his shit appeals to you that's like enjoying "War Stories" with that fucking cunt Oliver North, mullets kick ass, and so do snakes.

Your blurb about a generic terrorist having a generic weapon and a generic agent must stop them is rather humorous, considering it's basically what every counter terrorist game is, including MGS.

I never said the graphics were any better, that would be a stupid statement considering it's opinionated. I said that the graphical engine utilized with Splinter Cell actually played a major role in the gameplay.

Tom Clancy is such a retard that he was debriefed by the CIA because they wanted to know how he got his information. Of course, that same retard is much more successful than you can ever expect to be. Sure, it's possible that you might surpass him in financial and social standing. It's also possible that you'll sponaneously combust. Both situations are just highly unlikely.

MGS isn't a bad game, by far. I just think Splinter Cell is better. It's an opinion, deal with it. I have issues with games that are supposed to be "realistic" that have army rations that close wounds immediately after ingestion, and a single man that can carry enough munitions to supply a squad of ten soldiers. I mean, come on, Halo is more "realistic" than MGS.

Edit:

Ah, yes.. worst movies of all time. You're using a website titled "thebestpageintheuniverse" as a reference? At least take the time to reference a reputable site saying the movie sucked.

Oh, and I loved it. Deal with it.

[B-MetalSucks]

Well it started off well enough, but now?

http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=143663

[Frosty]

Y It's also possible that you'll sponaneously combust.

Erm...that's actually...uhh, not possible...

*Skitters away*

[Al Paccioli]

:blahblah:

It really isn't a matter of you having an opinion (Deal with it? Get the fuck over yourself), it's a matter of your opinion sucking, on Tom Clancy's balls, to be specific.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

It really isn't a matter of you having an opinion (Deal with it? Get the fuck over yourself), it's a matter of your opinion sucking, on Tom Clancy's balls, to be specific.

Mr.SelfDestruct -> "Opinion"

Al Paccioli -> "Veiled insult"

Mr.SelfDestruct -> "Cogent rebuttle"

Al Paccioli -> "Direct insult"

Mr.SelfDestruct -> "Satire"

... next?

[rand0m]

Kay Adams: Michael, you never told me your family knew Johnny Fontane!
Michael: Oh sure, you want to meet him?
Kay Adams: Yeah!
Michael: You know, my father helped Johnny in his career.
Kay Adams: Really? How?
Michael: ...Let's listen to this song.
Kay Adams: [after listening to Johnny for a while] Please, Michael. Tell me.
Michael: ...Well when Johnny was first starting out, he was signed to this contract with a big-band leader. And as his career got better and better he wanted to get out of it. Now, Johnny is my father's godson. My father went to see the bandleader, with a contract for $10,000 to let Johnny go, but the bandleader said no. So the next day, my father went to see the bandleader again, only this time with Luca Brasi. Within an hour, the bandleader signed the release, with a certified check of $1000.
Kay Adams: How did he do that?
Michael: My father made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
Kay Adams: What was it?
Michael: Luca Brasi held a gun to his head, and my father assured the bandleader, that either his signature or his brains would be on the contract.
Kay Adams: ...
Michael: ...That's a true story.
[cut to Johnny singing again for about 10 more seconds before going back to Michael]
Michael: That's my family Kay, it's not me.

[CSPope]

50 gigs still seems kinda excessive for a game...
Whatever... I hate the MGS series. So boring. I like Splinter Cell better =]

[Al Paccioli]

Mr.SelfDestruct -> "Opinion"

Al Paccioli -> "Veiled insult"

Mr.SelfDestruct -> "Cogent rebuttle"

Al Paccioli -> "Direct insult"

Mr.SelfDestruct -> "Satire"

... next?



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50 gigs still seems kinda excessive for a game...
Whatever... I hate the MGS series. So boring. I like Splinter Cell better =]

This forum is full of Wii and 360 fanboys.

[CSPope]

This forum is full of Wii and 360 fanboys.

I just hate MGS... I played some of the games on my PS2 and Xbox and they all bored the hell out of me.

I don't hate the PS3... just most of the games so far. If good games come out then I will get one when the price drops a lot. Like... $450. Hopefully it will be a slimline or something by then. Last gen I liked PS2 and Xbox, this gen I like 360 and ??? (so far it's the Wii).
I hate fanboys. I don't care what console you guys own. It doesn't really affect me in any way.

[xeoset]

This forum is full of Wii and 360 fanboys.

The fact you resorted to that because he holds a different opinion to yours, makes you a fucking idiot. Please tell me you don't reside in England because it may mean we share the same blood, if so, life isn't worth it anymore.

[Smoked86]

wow who needs tv, i got all the drama i can handle here.

[rand0m]

I heard that Playstations are made by the devil and that when you buy them, the money you pay goes to commies.

DOWN WITH PLAYSTATON!!

[B-MetalSucks]

I heard that Playstations are made by the devil and that when you buy them, the money you pay goes to commies.

DOWN WITH PLAYSTATON!!

I heard that too. Stop being gay, it's not a good look for you.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

This forum is full of Wii and 360 fanboys.

Incidentally, I originally played Splinter Cell on the PS2, and later picked it up for computer.

Also, it would be a bit more accurate to call me a "Nintendo/XBox/PC fanboy". I simply hate Sony.

Deal with it.

[Nocturnal]

MG series = "Hide in a cardboard box"

awesoma powa?

[Wu-tang]

The fact you resorted to that because he holds a different opinion to yours, makes you a fucking idiot. Please tell me you don't reside in England because it may mean we share the same blood, if so, life isn't worth it anymore.

His ancestors probablly migrated from England, so either way you're most likely linked one way or the other. :p

MG series = "Hide in a cardboard box"

awesoma powa?

The cardboard box thing isn't that big a part of the game...It never works anyway, it's just a joke nowadays.

[Strike-Anywhere]

c'mon Kojima it's called COMPRESSION...use it.

[Al Paccioli]

Splinter Cell does NOT match up to MGS.

The fact you resorted to that because he holds a different opinion to yours, makes you a fucking idiot. Please tell me you don't reside in England because it may mean we share the same blood, if so, life isn't worth it anymore.

"That" is a fact, and you're a fucking hypocrite, go die somewhere.

[Strike-Anywhere]

Splinter Cell does NOT match up to MGS.



"That" is a fact, and you're a fucking hypocrite, go die somewhere.

MGS is not stealth.

[tripb19]

MGS is not stealth.

The difficulty 'European Extreme' would disagree with you.

Anyway, this thread is not about how shit MGS is, so :wave:

[Dozula]

Splinter Cell are great games but typical storyline is its down fall which doesnt really matter since i tend to skip every cut scene/dialogue because we all know how its gonna end.

But I grew up with MG so fuck splinter cell if i had to pick one

[Quicksilver]

Cut-scenes..

[Cee]

I like Splinter Cell for being technical, but I love MGS for story and surprises.

[Strike-Anywhere]

The difficulty 'European Extreme' would disagree with you.

Anyway, this thread is not about how shit MGS is, so :wave:

who said it sucked? i just think it isn't a stealth game.

I like Splinter Cell for being technical, but I love MGS for story and surprises.

same here, for good stealth i play splinter cell.

for a fucked up story and such i play MGS.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Splinter Cell does NOT match up to MGS.

Yeah, you're right.

I've always loved hiding in a cardboard box and taking down a harrier jet and multiple walking tanks in a single day. Totally blockbuster story material there. I'm sure it would make a great movie.

Damn, who should we get to play Snake?

http://anotherword.free.fr/pages/dossiers/images/incoherences/snake-plissken.jpg

Hmm.. Sure!