Kobe and Nash agree, Dirk for MVP

[Rootraz]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime_070120-21

Discuss

[navid]

doesnt mean shit in the final vote imo. nash will 3peat no doubt

[illin' \/illain]

I agree that the only 3 to be considered are Kobe Dirk and Nash, also that Dirk would win it if the season ended today, but it doesn't so the race is on and it's pretty close.

[Owned]

Nash will not win again, I personally guarentee that. He fucking sucks penis. He's gay, he is almost French like Tony Parker, Boris Diaw and the other French fags who need to gtfo of the NBA, although I respect Parker very much so - considering he's French that is very odd for me.

Dirk fucking owns.

Kobe owns, but isn't owning now.

I'd go with Dirk hands down right now.

[ftbllplr]

Of course they aren't going to say that they should be MVP, even if they think they should. They would sound childish and self centered.

[bobtheflob]

Nash won't win. He's good but he's not 3 time MVP good. People won't vote for him because of that.

I think Dirk deserved it more last year because the talent around him wasn't quite as good. That being said, I'd still say he's the frontrunner. Opposing teams are forced to completely change their game plans because of his presence.

The Mavs can go small and put Dirk at center. He can guard any center in the league (except Yao and Shaq) for stretches but they can't guard him so the other team has to bench their center and try to match up with their own small ball lineup which is invariably worse than what the Mavs can throw out there, allowing them to run all over their opponents. If the Mavs feel they have an advantage at center, Dirk plays the 4 and they can slow it down and grind out a half court game as well as anybody in the league. No other player in the league allows his team that kind of flexibility to dictate the pace to their advantage.

Also, his defense has improved dramatically. He's still not exactly defensive player of the year material, but he's one of the better defenders in the league. What he's probably improved most though is his passing. He's much better at finding the open man when he's doubled and improves the players around him with his passing game.

[ThePope#15]

It's too early to say just now. But I can probably see Dirk winning that shit.

I'm also digging T-Mac just now.

[jacl<a$$]

Nash won't win. He's good but he's not 3 time MVP good. People won't vote for him because of that.

I think Dirk deserved it more last year because the talent around him wasn't quite as good. That being said, I'd still say he's the frontrunner. Opposing teams are forced to completely change their game plans because of his presence.

The Mavs can go small and put Dirk at center. He can guard any center in the league (except Yao and Shaq) for stretches but they can't guard him so the other team has to bench their center and try to match up with their own small ball lineup which is invariably worse than what the Mavs can throw out there, allowing them to run all over their opponents. If the Mavs feel they have an advantage at center, Dirk plays the 4 and they can slow it down and grind out a half court game as well as anybody in the league. No other player in the league allows his team that kind of flexibility to dictate the pace to their advantage.

Also, his defense has improved dramatically. He's still not exactly defensive player of the year material, but he's one of the better defenders in the league. What he's probably improved most though is his passing. He's much better at finding the open man when he's doubled and improves the players around him with his passing game.

Damn, there is no way to put the better. Good job.

[kingofallmedia]

i think dirk and nash have more of a chance than kobe because kobe has had better years

keep in mind this is from a suns fan....i think dirk is a better player than nash and obviously that means he's more talented however mvp stands for most valuable player and nash really does bring the best out in his teammates and elevate their game to a higher level, for being able to this regardless of how well nash would do in a 1 vs 1 game i think this qualifies him for a 3 mvp

[navid]

you guys are retards if u dont think nash will win again. its either gilbert, dirk, or nash

[poopchow]

Where the fuck is the discussion about Gilbert Arenas? Besides the obvious with his stats, that man can singlehandedly take over the game, or he can dish the ball out to get the open man because of all the attention he requires.

3 players of the week
1 player of the month

2 game winning 3's in the month
then last week when everyone expected him to shoot the final shot, he dished it off allowing for caron to have a game winning uncontested dunk.

not saying that Kobe, dirk, and nash shouldnt be talked about, but Gilbert needs to be in this discussion.

[Bullet]

Ahhhhh yeah, Gilbert. He does fucking rock. I think he might be the next Kobe. Althought Kobe is already Kobe, he might be the next Kobe. Hope you got that.

But Dirk deserves it. He's fucking awesome. He's lead his team through lots. He's good to go. I think he deserves it above most. But of course, that hardly counts.

I love the Mavs. Nash is good. Kobe is good. But I think Dirk is much better. He can do anything. A 7 footer that can nail down 3's, jumpshots, freethrows, yeah...

[kingofallmedia]

I think Arenas has a better chance than Kobe.

Nash, Dirk, Arenas

[illin' \/illain]

people who say Arenas or anyone from the eastern conference is stupid...no one from the east has a chance because their teams suck so WTF are the Wiz? what's that, under .500? heh :rollseyes

[gatorpatric0]

I think Arenas has a better chance than Kobe.

Nash, Dirk, Arenas

Agreed. Arenas > Kobe this year.

I think Dirk will take it home this year, which means a White Man will have won it 3 years in a row (You dont have to be American to be white).

[kingofallmedia]

You dont have to be American to be white
lol silly frenchman, of course you do.............jk

but seriously dirk and nash are both great players and it's surprising that they weren't better when they both played for the mavs

btw to whoever said something ^^^ the wiz are not below .500

[jn_powell]

Agreed. Arenas > Kobe this year.

I think Dirk will take it home this year, which means a White Man will have won it 3 years in a row (You dont have to be American to be white).
Wait, you don't?

[Alexisonfiree]

I'm #1 mavs fan of the world, and although I love nash, I think dirk really deserves it this year, especially if they keep up thier #1 spot in the league

I definitly don't think it will be kobe

[gatorpatric0]

Wait, you don't?

I dont believe so.

Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitski are both White to me, even though they are Canadian and German respectively.

[illin' \/illain]

people who say Arenas or anyone from the eastern conference is stupid...no one from the east has a chance because their teams suck so WTF are the Wiz? what's that, under .500? heh :rollseyes

Agreed. Arenas > Kobe this year.

I think Dirk will take it home this year, which means a White Man will have won it 3 years in a row (You dont have to be American to be white).

Read my quote^...did somebody say they're not below 500? oh, well my point still stands very tall that they suck

[poopchow]

Read my quote^...did somebody say they're not below 500? oh, well my point still stands very tall that they suck


The eastern conference is the weaker conference but the wizards do not suck. They are 8-7 against the west and defeated the Mavs and suns to break their 12+ game win streaks. Plus they did it on the road for the suns, not sure where they beat the mavs at.

The wizards can run with just about everyone so dont go talking shit about them. Almost any team in the league would love to have gilbert on their team and he is proving himself night in a night out. Get your head out of your west coast ass and think straight.

24-16, not even close to 500

[aeNeo]

Gilbert is a great player. No doubt. He even deserves to be considered at this point in the season BUT the Wizards are still 9 games behind Dallas, 8 games behind Phoenix, 4.5 games behind San Antonio, and 1.5 games behind the Lakers. With that being said, there's no chance of the MVP coming from an Eastern Conference team thus far bar some miracle.

[jn_powell]

I dont believe so.

Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitski are both White to me, even though they are Canadian and German respectively.
I was kidding.

[TJIZZLES]

There is no way in hell that anyone can tell me that Steve Nash deserves MVP honors over guys like Dirk, or even Gilbert. I think he deserved ittwo years ago, he totally changed the culture in Phoenix and got them winning again. Last year, I thought the award clearly should have gone to Kobe. He singlehandedly carried the Lakers into the Playoffs. That's the definition of an MVP. Up to this point in the season, you gotta give it to Dirk. The guy is incredible. Unlimited range, basketball IQ, leadership... The guy has it all, and he's leading the Mavs to what looks like to be an NBA Championship.

[pacaveli]

Gilbert is a great player. No doubt. He even deserves to be considered at this point in the season BUT the Wizards are still 9 games behind Dallas, 8 games behind Phoenix, 4.5 games behind San Antonio, and 1.5 games behind the Lakers. With that being said, there's no chance of the MVP coming from an Eastern Conference team thus far bar some miracle.

at this point in time Gilbert has to be considered
he's on one of like 4 or 5 eastern teams that likes to get out and run. IT's working for them. The difference with the winning in for teams like suns, spurs, mavs is that they have an entire starting lineup that is extremely good, and 3-4 all star canidates in they're starting line ups alone.


wizards have gilbert and butler, and everyone else is just feeding off the 2 of them. Gilberts doing big things this year. As for the lakers, u switch kobe to the lakers and arenas to the wizards i bet gilbert has just as much sucsess. Kobes team mates are better than Gilberts. Gilbert would kill to have bynum on his team

[aeNeo]

The difference is a superior team lead by an MVP candidate versus a good team lead by another. Gilbert is currently in the circle of discussion because of his stats. At the end of the day, it will boil down to Dirk, Nash, and Kobe. Both of these guys make their teammates better by their attitudes and on/off the court. Their team chemistry begins with them, and their overall records serve as a testament to that.

You make the comparison between Kobe and Gilbert, and how Kobe has a better supporting cast. This is true because Kobe has played a big part in making his teammates better. Now, we're seeing the product of his investment. What can we say about Gilbert in this regard? Nothing.

As far as Gilbert for MVP, I've said it before, he's a good player (I'm not denying that) BUT he's only part of this discussion because of his individual stats which is also something he enjoys bragging about. It may just be Arenas being Arenas, but by that saying "Hey, look at me! Talk about me!" does not boost your team's chemistry but can only dampen it. And that's not MVP material. If you threw Dirk, Nash, or Kobe onto the Wizards, I can almost guarantee an immediate improvement over their current state.

[gatorpatric0]

I was kidding.

The last time I heard the "Best White player in the NBA" Discussion, neither of those two were included, and I assume thats because they arn't Americans. To me, if you name the 5 best White NBA players, not one is American.

1. Steve Nash (1 vs. 2 can be argued, but I give Nash the nod cus of MVP's)
2. Dirk Nowitski
3. Andre Kirilenko
4. Pau Gasol (Im not sure if he's white, to be honest)
5. Andrew Bogut

Top AMERICAN White players
1. Mike Bibby
2. Kyle Korver
3. Jason Williams
4. Dunleavy (The kid that went to Duke, whats his first name...)
5. Mike Miller

Please Discuss...Cus I just kinda threw this list together off of the top of my head, no real statistics or stuff thought of.

[kingofallmedia]

1. Mike Bibbyhe looks mexican, idk if he really if or not though...he went to highschool a few miles away from my house...should have killed him when i had the chance

lol jk

i think either dirk or nash will take mvp, a lot of it will be who is seeded #1 in the west and mavs are #1 right now with suns right behind

[Mysterio]

I would say Gasol is white, and no Ginoobili on yor list Gator? but thats kinda off topic. If you were asked to name the best players in the NBA you would have at least two that arent American.

BUt as for the topic I would say its between Dirk and Nash. There are both amazing players that really help out their team. Nash being a play maker and Dirk always there for 3 points. But they arent gonig to say about themsevles that they think they desirve the MVP award. That would make them look very selffish. So that is why they all said a different player, you can't say yourself.

[jn_powell]

Dirk always there for 3 points.
Dirk does way, way more than shoot 3-pointers.

[gatorpatric0]

I would say Gasol is white, and no Ginoobili on yor list Gator? but thats kinda off topic. If you were asked to name the best players in the NBA you would have at least two that arent American.



Ginobli is Argentinian...hence, HISPANIC (not white in my book). Then again, I believe Gasol is Argentinian too, so maybe he gets vetoed. If we are including hispanics, put Ginobli in at 3rd and bump off Bogut. If not.....I believe im putting Andres Bargnani in at #5.

But hey, some people consider hispanics white, I consider them hispanic.

[aeNeo]

So that is why they all said a different player, you can't say yourself.Unless your name is Gilbert Arenas.