Lamb of God on Conan!

[a7x1337]

lamb of god will be featured on tomorrow's episode of conan o brien. how awesome is that? a metal band like them on a popular show like conan!

i'm definitely gonna watch it. i advise the rest of you to do so also

[DeftonesBoy]

I would rather see emperor on conan. Or Zyklon.

[YouEnjoyMyself]

Lamb of God owns.

[sparrky]

lamb of god will be featured on tomorrow's episode of conan o brien. how awesome is that? a metal band like them on a popular show like conan!

i'm definitely gonna watch it. i advise the rest of you to do so also
Its not like they are some underground band, Lamb of God is one of the most popular bands of that genre, Don't ask me why.

[Superior_to_you]

I would rather see emperor on conan. Or Zyklon.

That would be awesome.

[aronax0195]

So? Lamb of God is baaaaaaaaaaaad.

[Stupified]

Slipknot has been on Conan 386 times. No big deal.

[rerat]

Slipknot has been on Conan 386 times. No big deal.

Slipknot isn't metal, ya see. It's more..just..garbage.

[a7x1337]

Its not like they are some underground band, Lamb of God is one of the most popular bands of that genre, Don't ask me why.
yeah, they're one of the biggest metal bands, and they're REAL METAL. that's why its so great they're going on conan. perhaps a foot in the door for metal in the mainstream? maybe?

[Stupified]

Slipknot isn't metal, ya see. It's more..just..garbage.

Likewise with LoG. Still not a big deal.

[Travmire]

I don't recall seeing a metal band on his show before, but it still isn't that surprising. Conan rarely ever has a mainstream band on.

[a7x1337]

Likewise with LoG. Still not a big deal.
you're kidding right? :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh:

[Kellenator]

Slayer was on Jimmy Kimmel about a month ago.

[Sezril]

Mastodon performed Colony of Birchmen on Conan a few months ago as well.

[Taake]

Wow lamb of god is a really bad metalcore band. Who said they were real metal? :uhoh:

[The_Murphulator]

you're kidding right? :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh:

i dont think hes kidding, probably because he is right.

[a7x1337]

Wow lamb of god is a really bad metalcore band. Who said they were real metal? :uhoh:
do you know what metalcore is? do you even know what you're saying?

[Superior_to_you]

do you know what metalcore is? do you even know what you're saying?

I think the question is do YOU know what metalcore is? I'll give you a hint, it's not metal.

[I Like Me]

Regardless of what all of you elitist bastards say, Lamb of God put on a hell of a show. I'm not really a big fan or anything, but they aren't metalcore.

[Stupified]

Wikipedia says LoG is metalcore. Wikipedia, you elitist bastard. :motz_6:

[I Like Me]

I don't really know, you elitist bastard. I used to have New American Gospel and As The Palaces Burn and they didn't sound like elitist metalcore bastards. They're not exactly my kind of metal, but they aren't that bastardish or elitistish either. I kind of like the singer's voice. It's different.

[Superior_to_you]

I don't really know, you elitist bastard. I used to have New American Gospel and As The Palaces Burn and they didn't sound like elitist metalcore bastards. They're not exactly my kind of metal, but they aren't that bastardish or elitistish either. I kind of like the singer's voice. It's different.

Stop saying elitist bastard, you sound like a dumb cunt of a broken record. They're metalcore unless they've changed their sound recently (possible considering I don't pay them much attention). Metalcore isn't an elitist genre either, it's more akin to nu metal. Something that sounds heavy, bad ass, and extreme for little Slipknot mall goth kiddies who usually turn right around and bitch about death and black metal vocals being "gay".

[DrGyro]

How is Lamb of God metalcore? Lamb of God have substance and insane technical riffery in their songs, only an ignorant jackass would say they're bad metalcore...and for those metal purists, old metal ideals and traditions cannot survive unless newer bands add their touch to it, otherwise it would've died a while ago.

[a7x1337]

How is Lamb of God metalcore? Lamb of God have substance and insane technical riffery in their songs, only an ignorant jackass would say they're bad metalcore...and for those metal purists, old metal ideals and traditions cannot survive unless newer bands add their touch to it, otherwise it would've died a while ago.
where the hell'd you come from? logical posts like that have no place on ebaumsworld :rolleyes:

[I Like Me]

I wasn't being serious about the elitist shit.

I don't classify them as metalcore because they seem to play more than 3 heavy ass, simple chords per song and they don't have vocals like...As I Lay Dying or some shit. That's what I think of when I hear the term metalcore.

[DrGyro]

you obviously havent heard any of their shit. their shit is really fucking technical, with odd time signatures and constantly changing tempo. metalcore is the same shit over and over again, and despite lamb of god hammering on that low e string tuned to drop d, they make it sound fresh and great on every song. listen to their shit extensively, and youll understand why. as the palaces burn, ashes of the wake, and sacrament are good examples. lamb of god manage to keep their custom style, but each song sounds different than the other. and their lyrics pwn too.

[DrGyro]

the above is directed to anybody who considers them metalcore.

[Esko]

i watch conan whenever i get a chance, i just saw this show with these guys on it, THEY SUCKED!!! wtf who actually enjoys this shit music?

[Travmire]

I thought they sucked, but I'm not into music with all screaming anyway.

[DrGyro]

i watch conan whenever i get a chance, i just saw this show with these guys on it, THEY SUCKED!!! wtf who actually enjoys this shit music?

i thoroughly enjoy it, you prick. get off the computer and listen to kenny g, faggot.

[Sezril]

Metalcore got shit on with this new wave of pop bands. It's really nothing to be shameful of, and it can indeed be complicated - see Dillinger Escape Plan, Converge, Ion Dissonance. Lamb of God has some groove/post-thrash influences but I would definitely consider them metalcore, and so what? Not every metalcore band is like your standard Hatebreed-like tripe.

I can't recall a band ever using harsh vocals on Conan, I almost want to see this lol

[t o o l]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UBY91O9ifAA

Not my kind of band, but I thought Id put it up for those that havent seen it.

[Kellenator]

Do people know that there is such a thing as good metalcore and bad metalcore? Just because we say that they're metalcore doesn't mean that we're like "OMG I HATE TEHM AND THEYRE TEH WUSRT MUSIC EVAR!!!" Plus, Lamb of God has a lot of groove/thrash (like Pantera) elements. I like some metalcore from time to time and a lot of those bands have great talent. However, the musical style just turns me off sometimes.
and for those metal purists, old metal ideals and traditions cannot survive unless newer bands add their touch to it, otherwise it would've died a while ago.
That's why we have bands like Icarus Witch, Pharaoh, Twisted Tower Dire, and Hibria who all sound like a "modern 80s" band. A lot (but not all) people who like metalcore don't even listen to most other forms of metal, so they're not really preserving anything. It just irks me when people think that heavy metal has died and that metalcore has replaced it. I know you didn't say that and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but that last sentence was a general statement, not directed specifically at you, DrGyro.

[GlutSow]

I learned that its much better to stop complaining about music and start making your own. It works out.

[PsiRedEye22]

Seriously. This is almost as bad as religion arguements. That means you're all almost Jews.

[Chiff]

and to get away from the genre debates...

I think Lamb of God were pretty good, except I didn't feel the same kind of energy from Randy. You can't blame him, there was no one moshing!!
Mark - Awesome, nailed the solo spot on.
Willie - Rocked out with his new signature ESP, nothing special though
John - Doing his thing, can't comment cause I don't play bass
Chris - It's Chris Adler, enough said.

Oh yeah, the audio quality was a bit lame too.

[a7x1337]

I'm a supreme faggot
fixed.

anyway, just watched the video. i thought they were pretty damn good, although the vocals were slightly underwhelming. i also kind of loled when randy stumbled at the end when he was climbing on the amp

[Taake]

Lamb of god is basically a shitty mallgoth band and anyone who cannot see their metalcore influences as well as their shitty groove/post -thrash influences either needs their hearing checked or doesnt know anything about metal at all. Now if slayer, megadeth, kreator, or any decent metal band were to have played I would be happy because at least the media would see what decent metal is all about.

[sparrky]

The absolute majority of metal disgusts me to my stomach, but Lamb of God manage to disgust me even more than most. The music of idiots. Strives so desperately to express anger and it can\'t even do that well, repeating blocks of 5th chords, predictable structures, grating mid-range crap, lots of blues notes for no conceivable purpose.

Metal, like classical, is a music choked by conventions. Everything\'s in there, and I can\'t for the life of me see the need for fucking any of it. Forced, emotionless, mid-range, mediocre, obnoxious, dull, the music of idiots, the music of idiots.

You can\'t contrive spontaneity

Abrasive post-punk beats it at its own game.
For sure man, Kanye 4 lyfe





Your body cracks as I bathe in BloooooooooD!!!!!!!!!!!!

[a7x1337]

Lamb of god is basically a shitty mallgoth band
i pretty much just stopped reading after this

[Superior_to_you]

i pretty much just stopped reading after this

You don't read any posts that disagree with your opinions, we get it already.

[a7x1337]

You don't read any posts that disagree with your opinions, we get it already.
ahh, you got me. :rolleyes: i think i've made this witty commentary before, but your username fits your attitude very well.
there's a difference between logical debate and ludicrous nonsense like calling lamb of god a 'mallgoth' band. i ignore the latter, as it simply kills brain cells.

[Superior_to_you]

ahh, you got me. :rolleyes: i think i've made this witty commentary before, but your username fits your attitude very well.
there's a difference between logical debate and ludicrous nonsense like calling lamb of god a 'mallgoth' band. i ignore the latter, as it simply kills brain cells.

Really? Because where I live, the average LoG fan IS mallgoth.

[a7x1337]

Really? Because where I live, the average LoG fan IS mallgoth.
so the fans define a band's genre, not the music? loads of led zeppelin fans are dumb 'cool kids' that like anything that's popular. plenty of poseurs buy beatles shirts. does that make led zeppelin or the beatles bad? no.
i'm just sick of elitist bastards criticizing whatever modern metal band that enjoys success. you can like your underground swedish death metal all you want, but don't go talking out of your ass about successful metal bands simply because they're successful.

[YouEnjoyMyself]

Lamb of God is amazing.

I don't know know why they're getting so much hate. :(

[Superior_to_you]

so the fans define a band's genre, not the music? loads of led zeppelin fans are dumb 'cool kids' that like anything that's popular. plenty of poseurs buy beatles shirts. does that make led zeppelin or the beatles bad? no.
i'm just sick of elitist bastards criticizing whatever modern metal band that enjoys success. you can like your underground swedish death metal all you want, but don't go talking out of your ass about successful metal bands simply because they're successful.

Mallgoth's not a genre... Mallgoth is a little faggot that likes Slipknot and Bullet for My Valentine because they're TTLY HxC!1!12!11!!!1@%!@!11! It simply doubles as an insult for bands that fall within the couple of genres they tend to listen to, namely nu metal and metalcore.

Again though, they're still METALCORE regardless of any other influences. Metalcore is metal influenced hardcore, not metal.

Now see, I don't criticize bands just for being successful. Some of my favorite bands are Cradle of Filthaand Children of Bodom. Hell, I don't believe I've even criticized LoG yet, I simply said you ignore anyone that does.

[a7x1337]

Mallgoth's not a genre... Mallgoth is a little faggot that likes Slipknot and Bullet for My Valentine because they're TTLY HxC!1!12!11!!!1@%!@!11! It simply doubles as an insult for bands that fall within the couple of genres they tend to listen to, namely nu metal and metalcore.

Again though, they're still METALCORE regardless of any other influences. Metalcore is metal influenced hardcore, not metal.

Now see, I don't criticize bands just for being successful. Some of my favorite bands are Cradle of Filthaand Children of Bodom. Hell, I don't believe I've even criticized LoG yet, I simply said you ignore anyone that does.
i know mallgoth isn't a genre, and i wasn't really directing my rant about hating successful metal bands towards you.
they're classified as metalcore - but what grinds my gears was when people go out of their way to be 'they're bad metalcore - not real metal.'
but to put lamb of god and SLIPKNOT in the same category is utterly disgusting. lamb of god is not only complex musically, as drgyro mentioned, but they've got crazy technical stuff. people who like slipknot may like log, but log is so much better.

on another note, i think this is the first thread in history where bigmatt and i have been united on one front :p there's a time for everything

[Superior_to_you]

i know mallgoth isn't a genre, and i wasn't really directing my rant about hating successful metal bands towards you.
they're classified as metalcore - but what grinds my gears was when people go out of their way to be 'they're bad metalcore - not real metal.'
but to put lamb of god and SLIPKNOT in the same category is utterly disgusting. lamb of god is not only complex musically, as drgyro mentioned, but they've got crazy technical stuff. people who like slipknot may like log, but log is so much better.

on another note, i think this is the first thread in history where bigmatt and i have been united on one front :p there's a time for everything

People are going to do that no matter what. They feel as if though they need an excuse to not like it other than that the sound of the band doesn't appeal to them.

Crap, Venom just destroyed my last pick. D:

[reigenborn]

All of these lines are imaginary.. I think some of you are missing the point of music; there are no boundaries. I mean yeah there are the main Genres

Country
Rock
Rap

The farther you try to break down the genre, the more unclear the lines get.

Rock
Hard Rock
Arena Rock
Metal
Thrash
Hardcore
Metalcore
Mallgoth?!

Whaaaaaa... Slipknot, Korn, Lamb of God, Opeth, Cradle of Filth, Avenge Sevenfold, and Dreamtheater are all metal, im sorry that some of you believe bands can be broken down to industrial-post-modern-thrashfuck or whatever the hell people call it. Any band with heavy guitars, heavy vocals, and all that jazz will fall into the metal category.. and if they dont, they fall into Hard Rock, which is right across the fucking street

There are some metal cultists that are disgusted at the fact that 'their' genre is being disgraced by whatever band they deem unworthy, like Korn for instance. I just find that strange

I dont give a fuck what you call an apple.. Macintosh Apple, Granny Smith Apple, Cripps Pink Apple, Ambrosia Apple, Cortland Apple, Fuji Apple, HoneyCrisp Apple... when you take a bite out of any of them.. you know you're eating a fucking apple... It doesnt matter.. your eating a fucking apple

I dont give a fuck what you call Metal... Trash, Grindcore, Metalcore, Doom Metal, Death Metal, Nu Metal, Viking Metal, Power Metal, Black Metal.. when you listen to any of them.. You're listening to metal.. It doesnt matter.. your listening to metal

And if bands can fit easily into one of those little nooks of a genre.. Then they are a shitty band.. Genres are basic guidlines... made to be overlapped.
Overall, its good to have an extremely open when it comes to specific genre discussion, because if you aren't, then your disgracing the very idea of which music stands for

I say we take George Carlins route... 'All music is Blues.. all of it'
(well not really, but you catch my drift)

[a7x1337]

*brilliant, supernaturally-inspired words*
i'd sig that if it wasn't so big...no post has ever been more true

[DrGyro]

ive lost all interest for this thread... LAMB OF GOD RULES!!

hehe, now commence something else!

[Superior_to_you]

You can easily divide up metal into a few genres that are all unique in sound. The primary genres and really, the important ones to know are death, black, heavy, thrash, gothic, and power. You go listen to Deicide, Behemoth, and Suffocation, then tell me there isn't a huge difference between them and Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Iron Maiden.

[Taake]

You can easily divide up metal into a few genres that are all unique in sound. The primary genres and really, the important ones to know are death, black, heavy, thrash, gothic, and power. You go listen to Deicide, Behemoth, and Suffocation, then tell me there isn't a huge difference between them and Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Iron Maiden.

Hell, even suffocation and behemoth sound a hell of a lot different. The reason bands are grouped into sub-sub genres is so that it's easier to find bands that are similar in style and sound. If I want a really blackened death metal band such as belphegor, I'm not going to search for "death metal" on google as I'll end up getting bands such as suffocation and cannibal corpse, instead I'll search for "blackened death metal" and get bands more similar in sound to belphegor!

[Superior_to_you]

Hell, even suffocation and behemoth sound a hell of a lot different. The reason bands are grouped into sub-sub genres is so that it's easier to find bands that are similar in style and sound. If I want a really blackened death metal band such as belphegor, I'm not going to search for "death metal" on google as I'll end up getting bands such as suffocation and cannibal corpse, instead I'll search for "blackened death metal" and get bands more similar in sound to belphegor!

lol Of course, but I'm trying to make a case for the sub genres right now without proving the point of blackened speed troll symphonic death metal. ;) Symph black, melo death, blackened thrash, and blackened death are the main sub subs I'd recognize.

[Taake]

i know mallgoth isn't a genre, and i wasn't really directing my rant about hating successful metal bands towards you.
they're classified as metalcore - but what grinds my gears was when people go out of their way to be 'they're bad metalcore - not real metal.'


Thats because metalcore isn't real metal, people put slipknot and lamb of god into the same category because they both aren't real metal. They are bands that are heavily influenced by other genres of music, meaning they aren't real metal. How can you say metalcore is real metal when there are clearly hardcore influences in them?

[reigenborn]

You can easily divide up metal into a few genres that are all unique in sound. The primary genres and really, the important ones to know are death, black, heavy, thrash, gothic, and power. You go listen to Deicide, Behemoth, and Suffocation, then tell me there isn't a huge difference between them and Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Iron Maiden.

Listened to Deicide, Behemoth and Suffocation... Yeah, they are definantly different from eachother.. But the similarities definantly outweighed the differences. There are so different to be classified as two different genres...

I'll put it into perspective from a metal outsider: These bands are just as different as Led Zeppelin and The Who are from eachother. An expert of these two bands can make a list a mile long on how different they are.. I know I can.. but yet I still group them in the same category.


And since metal is a subgenre of Rock, anything past the few sub-subgenres are just silly.

As badly as I hate placing a group or artist into a genre, I dont mind if it fits and there is a clear definition. This thread is proof that the sub-subgenre levels of metal are way too malleable for the metal community to understand as a whole.

Music isnt about lines anyway, what bands fall where and the difference between them. The truly groundbreaking bands are the ones that cast aside those snide beliefs about genre and try their best to blend the fruits of music into one good ass smootie...

and probably put some alcohol in it too.

[reigenborn]

You can easily divide up metal into a few genres that are all unique in sound. The primary genres and really, the important ones to know are death, black, heavy, thrash, gothic, and power. You go listen to Deicide, Behemoth, and Suffocation, then tell me there isn't a huge difference between them and Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Iron Maiden.

Listened to Deicide, Behemoth and Suffocation... Yeah, they are definantly different from eachother.. Of course they are, all bands are different (well most are). They have their own unique style, but not trans-genre unique. But the similarities definantly outweighed the differences. There are so different to be classified as two different genres...

I'll put it into perspective from a metal outsider: These bands are just as different as Led Zeppelin vs The Who are from eachother. Just as different as Korn vs Slipknot An expert of these two bands can make a list a mile long on how different they are.. I know I can.. but yet I still group them in the same category.


And since metal is a subgenre of (hard)Rock, anything past the few sub-subgenres are just silly.

As badly as I hate placing a group or artist into a genre, I dont mind if it fits and there is a clear definition. This thread is proof that the sub-subgenre levels of metal are way too malleable for the metal community to understand as a whole.

So yeah, those bands you listed are different but I'm sure they could easily share a stage together.

[Superior_to_you]

Listened to Deicide, Behemoth and Suffocation... Yeah, they are definantly different from eachother.. But the similarities definantly outweighed the differences. There are so different to be classified as two different genres...

I'll put it into perspective from a metal outsider: These bands are just as different as Led Zeppelin and The Who are from eachother. An expert of these two bands can make a list a mile long on how different they are.. I know I can.. but yet I still group them in the same category.


And since metal is a subgenre of Rock, anything past the few sub-subgenres are just silly.

As badly as I hate placing a group or artist into a genre, I dont mind if it fits and there is a clear definition. This thread is proof that the sub-subgenre levels of metal are way too malleable for the metal community to understand as a whole.

Music isnt about lines anyway, what bands fall where and the difference between them. The truly groundbreaking bands are the ones that cast aside those snide beliefs about genre and try their best to blend the fruits of music into one good ass smootie...

and probably put some alcohol in it too.

I meant compare them to the second set. It's death metal vs heavy metal. When you look at a contrast like that, you should understand why the subgenres are necessary. If someone asks for metal and likes heavy and thrash (Maiden, Sabbath, etc and Metallica, Megadeth, etc) you may recommend them some of the most KVLT black metal straight from the frozen underground wastes of Norway, but it won't do them any good. If you're simply against symphonic speed power thrash metal and its ilk, then I'm totally with you. I only recognize approximately six or seven sub genres (If you REALLY wanted to, you could probably knock it down to metal and extreme metal) I consider necessary and a couple more that are in between necessary and splitting hairs.

[reigenborn]

I meant compare them to the second set. It's death metal vs heavy metal. When you look at a contrast like that, you should understand why the subgenres are necessary.
Well in that case its like comparing modern bands of today to bands of yesterday. Judas Priest, Iron Maden and Black Sabbath are all pioneers on this front.


If someone asks for metal and likes heavy and thrash (Maiden, Sabbath, etc and Metallica, Megadeth, etc) you may recommend them some of the most KVLT black metal straight from the frozen underground wastes of Norway, but it won't do them any good.

If you're simply against symphonic speed power thrash metal and its ilk, then I'm totally with you. I only recognize approximately six or seven sub genres (If you REALLY wanted to, you could probably knock it down to metal and extreme metal) I consider necessary and a couple more that are in between necessary and splitting hairs.[/QUOTE]

I'd say you can sum up metal in about 3 genres.. Then things start to get blurry

And im not saying subsubgenres are all that bad.. It's fun to try to classify a band with a unique sound.. But maybe all these little cracks in the metal genre should even be called genres....

Think about it like this... Genres need to have their own radio station..
::::HYPOTHETICAL, I KNOW METAL DOESNT GET AIRWAVES OFTEN::::
There would never be a doom metal radio station
There would never be a Metalcore Radio Station

There would just be modern Metal

Im also not saying that those subsubgenres dont exist, but like i was saying above.. They shouldnt be called genres at all.. Metalcore Style, Grincore Style, Heavy Style.... We all know bands can and often do break their style to try something else..

[Superior_to_you]

Well in that case its like comparing modern bands of today to bands of yesterday. Judas Priest, Iron Maden and Black Sabbath are all pioneers on this front.

I'd say you can sum up metal in about 3 genres.. Then things start to get blurry

And im not saying subsubgenres are all that bad.. It's fun to try to classify a band with a unique sound.. But maybe all these little cracks in the metal genre should even be called genres....

Think about it like this... Genres need to have their own radio station..
::::HYPOTHETICAL, I KNOW METAL DOESNT GET AIRWAVES OFTEN::::
There would never be a doom metal radio station
There would never be a Metalcore Radio Station

There would just be modern Metal

Im also not saying that those subsubgenres dont exist, but like i was saying above.. They shouldnt be called genres at all.. Metalcore Style, Grincore Style, Heavy Style.... We all know bands can and often do break their style to try something else..

All right a more modern example, gothic metal band Lacuna Coil compared to black metal band Marduk.

Let me put it this way, I recognize thrash, power, gothic, black, death, and heavy metal. I will also use melo death, blackened thrash, blackened death, and symp black, but only when talking to someone who already knows the sub genres pretty well.

Hell, you want to talk about too many subgenres? Go look at all the -core offshoots of punk. That ought to keep you occupied for years. ;)

[reigenborn]

All right a more modern example, gothic metal band Lacuna Coil compared to black metal band Marduk.

Let me put it this way, I recognize thrash, power, gothic, black, death, and heavy metal. I will also use melo death, blackened thrash, blackened death, and symp black, but only when talking to someone who already knows the sub genres pretty well.

Hell, you want to talk about too many subgenres? Go look at all the -core offshoots of punk. That ought to keep you occupied for years. ;)

Touche'

But still all goes back to my apple analogy.. if you're an apple expert you can bullshit on and on and on about why apples are different from other apples..

But to the casual apple eater, there just fucking apples.

[Kellenator]

Red delicious apples suck.

[Superior_to_you]

Touche'

But still all goes back to my apple analogy.. if you're an apple expert you can bullshit on and on and on about why apples are different from other apples..

But to the casual apple eater, there just fucking apples.

Well that's just it, bullshit on and on about genres with the other experts. Discretion should be applied to every action. That's why people who are just getting into metal (at least this is how I do it) get recommended heavy/thrash and extreme (sometimes I call it black/death) metal.

Red delicious apples suck.

All apples suck, it's all about the oranges.

[Metallic]

The only people that bitch about Subgenres in music, are those that are too uninformed to understand them.

[reigenborn]

The only people that bitch about Subgenres in music, are those that are too uninformed to understand them.

.... No.. You must have not read my posts from earlier.. I know my shit when it comes to music.. But im basically saying, the bands should define the genre, not the genre defining the band.

I can go through just about any genre of music and explain the subgenres

Hip Hop, Blues, Country, Modern Rock, Classic Rock,.. Shit I can even do it with folk music son.

But i just dont believe all bands belong in a certain category.. It almost seems these days that bands dont cross genre lines, and thats very very depressing.
And when I see kids complaining about a talented band (such as lamb of god), and if they are 'real' metal core, or 'real' thrash influence groovemetal... it's like the discussion is pointless..... In my book there are only two genres... good and bad

Good = Musicians are original, and play with soul (which is lacking in todays department
Bad = Prepackaged, easy to swallow record company puppetry

Shit, i'll go as far to say that people who think music should be rigidly Genre-ized, probably can't grasp the concept of music or art itself

[sparrky]

and also, as long as people use these labels and bands define themselves by, shape themselves to and group themselves under them, they exist

like stereotypes - their truth is a necessary condition to them being so

too many left wing idiots just group everything as one and the same with a misplaced sense of compassion but in doing so deny people their individuality

flaws are beauty
You realize you just called Geroge Carlin left wing right?

just so you know you stupid you look.

[DeftonesBoy]

You realize you just called Geroge Carlin left wing right?

just so you know you stupid you look.

No, you stupid you look!

[Metallic]

The whole point in Genres is to give a quick reference to what a band sounds like though. Good and Bad aren't really genres, just more of a personal preference. Sure some Genres are in excess (DO NOT take anything from Wikipedia please), but most genres that are well known do make sense when put into context.

And I agree, no band should be confined into a certain genre. Bands should play anything they can, as long as it is done artistically. But that's not to say that one track can differ from another in terms of genres.

[ioklopolko]

yeah, they're one of the biggest metal bands, and they're REAL METAL. that's why its so great they're going on conan. perhaps a foot in the door for metal in the mainstream? maybe?

why the hell would you want metal to be mainstream? Great metal bands are always found in obscurity. If you take metal and try to make it appeal to a mass of people you get shitty, diluted screamo music played by gay emo idiots. half the girls in my school listen to that shit. its fuckin pathetic. and as long as metal keeps getting popular its just gona keep getting worse and worse. maybe eventually metal will even replace the word emo alltogether and we will all walk around and beat up metal kids for listening to such shitty fuckin music. btw lamb of god sucks. their old stuff was decent but they were never anything special.

[reigenborn]

why the hell would you want metal to be mainstream? Great metal bands are always found in obscurity.
Greatness has nothing to do with status.

If you take metal and try to make it appeal to a mass of people you get shitty, diluted screamo music played by gay emo idiots. half the girls in my school listen to that shit. its fuckin pathetic. and as long as metal keeps getting popular its just gona keep getting worse and worse.

That's why we dont listen to bands that aren't good... And that's also why we don't truly care whats popular and whats not... Music has nothing to do with exposure, It's either you like them, or you dont, there should should be no other stimulus besides the music effecting your choice.. So if metal gets mainstream and watered down, fuck it... You'll stiff have a nice array of what you would call 'true' metal bands.