Playstation 3 enjoys record pre-orders in Europe

[Keenan]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a42660/playstation-3-enjoys-record-pre-orders.html?rss

It looks like the European launch will be the true launch of the PS3. I think sales in North America and Japan will increase as well because of more games.
I just wish i would have got Casino Royale instead of the crappy Talladega Nights.

Things are starting to look up for the PS3....finally.

[Nocturnal]

I wonder if these are speculators like we saw during the US launch.

[Amadeus]

Maybe they're pre-ordering because they think they can sell it on ebay. The british can go to France and get them cheap and then sell them to all the gits, as they say.

[Cee]

Maybe they're pre-ordering because they think they can sell it on ebay. The british can go to France and get them cheap and then sell them to all the gits, as they say.

Sell them to who? Because I don't know wtf "gits" is. LMAO

[ZeroTigerX]

Scalping or not, Sony is still making money to get out of their negative.

[Lounge Fly]

Fuck Sony. No way am i paying 300 notes for a machine that has the same controller design as the previous 2 consoles. Try harder next time chumps.

[ChadR6783]

Fuck Sony. No way am i paying 300 notes for a machine that has the same controller design as the previous 2 consoles. Try harder next time chumps.
What is wrong with that? Absolutely nothing. You don't have to relearn simple things about the console such as contorller layout. Nintendo can't keep anything the same from one console to another. I actually have a PS3, unlike most people who insult it without any experience with one. It's a great system.

[B-MetalSucks]

Fuck Sony. No way am i paying 300 notes for a machine that has the same controller design as the previous 2 consoles. Try harder next time chumps.
Of all the dumb shit to gripe about a console, this by far, is the dumbest.:dunce:

[xeoset]

Fuck Sony. No way am i paying 300 notes for a machine that has the same controller design as the previous 2 consoles. Try harder next time chumps.

300 Notes? If your British it's £425. You're off 125 Notes there.

Still, your only problem is the Pad?!

[rand0m]

The main problem with the Playstation 3 in the UK is that the retailers have bumped the price up by more than £100 ...

[emoisgay]

lets see if it flops over there to.

[xeoset]

lets see if it flops over there to.

I lol'd.

Is it true the Launch is only getting 200,000 Consoles? I remember reading such back in Nov/Dec '06 and now Sony have sorted out their Supply Problems I wanted to know if it had been changed. I tried IGN, 1up, Joystiq, etc but couldn't find anything.

Also, I picked up OXM and there has been alot of mix-up about the Launch apparently (I know, OXM...Best source ever :rolleyes:). GAME Managers and others have been apparently told to cancel their Pre-Order routine because the Launch has been delayed to September. It all started with something like 170+ E-Mails and Letters from public members saying they tried to pre-order and such. Take this HIGHLY with a grain of salt.

[Burningnun]

Fuck Sony. No way am i paying 300 notes for a machine that has the same controller design as the previous 2 consoles. Try harder next time chumps.

Oh shit, and my new computer has a keyboard with the QWERTY layout. And what's this? Shit, it's a three button mouse.

Oh wait...

You're a fucking idiot.

[Jenovah]

Fuck Sony. No way am i paying 300 notes for a machine that has the same controller design as the previous 2 consoles. Try harder next time chumps.

I wanted to buy a Lamborgini, but the steering wheel is the same round shape as the previous models.

By far one of the most stupid arguments I've heard.

[Jollyrodger]

Fuck Sony. No way am i paying 300 notes for a machine that has the same controller design as the previous 2 consoles. Try harder next time chumps.

Well it has no rumble pack and motion sensors on the new controller. Controller video (http://www.ps3films.com/control.htm) You can see this in this sony video.

[Amadeus]

Sell them to who? Because I don't know wtf "gits" is. LMAO

"Gits" basically means rich, stupid snobby people that have more money than they know what to do with. It's kind of like saying "snob", or "republican." lol j/k

[weister42]

Is Sony still losing money for every PS3 they sell?

[rand0m]

Is Sony still losing money for every PS3 they sell?

The console costs about $800-850 to make ... They sell it for $600 ...

[Knave]

The console costs about $800-850 to make ... They sell it for $600 ...

That's retarded.

[Papero]

The fucking console cannot possibly cost $850.00 to make, that's a load of shit.

That's impossible, unless they use some kind of extremely rare material.

You know the Quad core Conroes? They make them for about $44.00 in material and sell them for $1,200.00.



Unless you're doing it like this

BestBuy's blu-ray player costs $800.00
Ps3 $600
=$200.00 loss

Sony isn't even "losing" money on PS3, they just aren't getting as much as they could be. They are NOT going to get into debt over PS3, they are simply not going to recover the R&D as fast and not make as much money in the end.

[Rootraz]

That's retarded.

More like awesome! That's like getting a Cadillac for a Toyato price

[eprops]

Well it has no rumble pack and motion sensors on the new controller. Controller video (http://www.ps3films.com/control.htm) You can see this in this sony video.


The whole rumble thing can go either way for me. Handhelds never really had rumble unless you count rumble built in to catridges of certain GBA games. And rumble isn't that big of a deal on the PC, or is it? Lets not forget about certain arcade games.

[MooCowzRock]

The fucking console cannot possibly cost $850.00 to make, that's a load of shit.

That's impossible, unless they use some kind of extremely rare material.

You know the Quad core Conroes? They make them for about $44.00 in material and sell them for $1,200.00.

Unless you're doing it like this

BestBuy's blu-ray player costs $800.00
Ps3 $600
=$200.00 loss

Sony isn't even "losing" money on PS3, they just aren't getting as much as they could be. They are NOT going to get into debt over PS3, they are simply not going to recover the R&D as fast and not make as much money in the end.

No, dude, they are actually losing 200 dollars per console. Really.

The initial production cost is estimated to be US $805.85 for the 20 GB model and US $840.35 for the 60 GB model.

[Keenan]

No, dude, they are actually losing 200 dollars per console. Really.

Which is exactly why you don't see the 20gig model on store shelves anymore.

[-MrSaprano-]

No, dude, they are actually losing 200 dollars per console. Really.

It does say so here

http://blogs.business2.com/utilitybelt/2006/11/sonys_loss_is_a.html

and here

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6161925.html?sid=6161925

Im still not buying one though

[pinger]

More like awesome! That's like getting a Cadillac for a Toyato price

Toyato, is that like the Chinese copy of the Toyota?

[Meio]

"Gits" basically means rich, stupid snobby people that have more money than they know what to do with. It's kind of like saying "snob", or "republican." lol j/k

Wrong, a 'git' is just a contemptable idiot.

[Papero]

I'm sorry but it is absolutely impossible for it to cost a company $800.00 to make a console, if you have any brain cells rubbing together you will realize this.

If this was true companies like ATI, NVidia, AMD, Intel would of literally gone out of business years ago.

Those articles astound me, they are such bullshit, they go by how much it would cost the average joe to go out to the store and purchase all those parts and then say Sony is charged the same price.

[OLIAX]

they go by how much it would cost the average joe to go out to the store and purchase all those parts and then say Sony is charged the same price.

as an ex warehouseman I can tell you that ordering in bulk and from a company costs less

I once got a 25% discount on the stuff we bought just for saying we were a company interesed in putting the motherboards in our latest range of pc's and it got sent express delivery same day now if I hadn't sent that email it would've been full price and would've taken 3+ days to arrive

make the same product for less, sell product for more = profit

and if sony were charged the same price as the average joe they wouldn't make a profit hence they would be going out of business
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put it this way

why would someone want to make a product to lose money?

and another thing everything here costs 17.5% more as soon as it hits the shelf

[philcoolguy]

I'm sorry but it is absolutely impossible for it to cost a company $800.00 to make a console, if you have any brain cells rubbing together you will realize this.

Yes it is possible. And no, my I don't have two brain cells rubbing together. They sit apart from each other and fire information back and forth.


If this was true companies like ATI, NVidia, AMD, Intel would of literally gone out of business years ago.

Except for the fact that they don't make gaming consoles. They make processing boards, which arent that expensive to make. Then they sell those boards to companies to make consoles. They're not buying complex finished products from other companies and assembling it together, they produce their own out of bits of metal and plastic, which is much cheaper than a finished product.


Those articles astound me, they are such bullshit, they go by how much it would cost the average joe to go out to the store and purchase all those parts and then say Sony is charged the same price.

You can go out and buy a blu-ray player for $300? Where?! And how the hell did you get ahold of their cell processor?

It's expensive to produce the components of the PS3 because it uses cutting-edge technology and the production hasn't been streamlined yet. That's why DVD players cost a grand when they were introduced and now you can pick one up anywhere for less than $100.


Sony's depending on making money off of accessories and whatnot to make up the loss. Plus they needed to get their system out so game developers could start making games so that there would still be people tempted to buy it after production costs fell. And they're expected to fall pretty hard-
http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/18/playstation-3-costs-900-sez-merrill-lynch-mob/

Losing money per console during launch is nothing new. The 360 lost money when it launched, and only somewhat recently started making money when production costs fell. I heard that the Wii is the only console in quite a while that didn't take a loss at launch time.

It's just like when you go to start a business. You're always projected to lose money for the first 3 years or so. That's just how it works. And thats why there's so many banks- to loan companies money and make a nice, fat profit off interest when they start to pay it back.

[djrem]

Research and Development cost huge amounts of money.

Parts for a Ford Focus here in the UK total to around £1000 yet they sell it for £7000 odd.

take away the mark up you are left with the majority of their spending on Research and Development.

Works the same in every sector of marketing. Even video games

[Papero]

Yes it is possible. And no, my I don't have two brain cells rubbing together. They sit apart from each other and fire information back and forth.



Except for the fact that they don't make gaming consoles. They make processing boards, which arent that expensive to make. Then they sell those boards to companies to make consoles. They're not buying complex finished products from other companies and assembling it together, they produce their own out of bits of metal and plastic, which is much cheaper than a finished product.



You can go out and buy a blu-ray player for $300? Where?! And how the hell did you get ahold of their cell processor?

It's expensive to produce the components of the PS3 because it uses cutting-edge technology and the production hasn't been streamlined yet. That's why DVD players cost a grand when they were introduced and now you can pick one up anywhere for less than $100.


Sony's depending on making money off of accessories and whatnot to make up the loss. Plus they needed to get their system out so game developers could start making games so that there would still be people tempted to buy it after production costs fell. And they're expected to fall pretty hard-
http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/18/playstation-3-costs-900-sez-merrill-lynch-mob/

Losing money per console during launch is nothing new. The 360 lost money when it launched, and only somewhat recently started making money when production costs fell. I heard that the Wii is the only console in quite a while that didn't take a loss at launch time.

It's just like when you go to start a business. You're always projected to lose money for the first 3 years or so. That's just how it works. And thats why there's so many banks- to loan companies money and make a nice, fat profit off interest when they start to pay it back.


You're saying Sony, the worlds leading electronics developer doesn't create their own electronics from scratch? Are you that incompetent? Sony is just like Intel, AMD, Nvidia, from start to finish they create all of which you see and use. Now they may partner with other companies, like Microsoft did IBM but Sony doesn't simply say "Create 1,000 of these parts for us triple the cost we can make it as".

This is absurd, I don't even know what to say to you, besides asking you to punch yourself in the face. The fact that you honestly believe Sony spends more on material to create a console then they sell it for, what are you thinking?

All of these sites I'm linked very simply compare it to Blu-ray players that are $200.00 more and at a whim say "Sony loses $200.00 on every single PS3 sold"

Sony doesn't need materials to become "main stream" to make creating their own parts cheaper. The PS3 isn't made out of some super rare material that needs to be dug 6 miles into the Earth's crust to retrieve. PS3 is made out of the same things your computer is made out of now, more or less complex.

Jesus christ, I must not be getting something across, I have been almost passionate with computing for a very long time, never have I heard an electronics company spend more money on simple materials to melt, fuse, what have you then to sell their end result for less.

Sony is simply not making what they COULD BE.

[rand0m]

<Flex fingers>

You're saying Sony, the worlds leading electronics developer doesn't create their own electronics from scratch? Are you that incompetent? Sony is just like Intel, AMD, Nvidia, from start to finish they create all of which you see and use. Now they may partner with other companies, like Microsoft did IBM but Sony doesn't simply say "Create 1,000 of these parts for us triple the cost we can make it as".

Cell is a microprocessor architecture jointly developed by a Sony, Toshiba, and IBM alliance known as STI. The architectural design and first implementation were carried out at the STI Design Center over a four-year period beginning March 2001 on a budget reported by IBM as approaching US$400 million.

Sony isn't making the Cell Proccessors ...

Since making a proccessor is fucking hard, and to make the Cell Proccessor is even harder. Sony doesn't have the money or the equipment to manufacter them, IBM does.

This is absurd, I don't even know what to say to you, besides asking you to punch yourself in the face. The fact that you honestly believe Sony spends more on material to create a console then they sell it for, what are you thinking?

Wooo lets just factor in the materials cost ...

lets just completely ignore the

-Research funding
-Development funding (including Advertising, Software writing, etc etc)
-Test funding
-Setting up Factories
-Labours to train and work in the factories
-Buying in components
-Assembling components
-Testing components
-Shiping


All of these sites I'm linked very simply compare it to Blu-ray players that are $200.00 more and at a whim say "Sony loses $200.00 on every single PS3 sold"

Well Sony is basically giving away a free Blu-Ray player with its Playstation 3 Console, the next Blu-Ray player is alot more than the PS3 and does a lot less.

Sony doesn't need materials to become "main stream" to make creating their own parts cheaper. The PS3 isn't made out of some super rare material that needs to be dug 6 miles into the Earth's crust to retrieve. PS3 is made out of the same things your computer is made out of now, more or less complex.

Errr ... only a computer is a completely different market ...

Jesus christ, I must not be getting something across, I have been almost passionate with computing for a very long time, never have I heard an electronics company spend more money on simple materials to melt, fuse, what have you then to sell their end result for less.

Sony is simply not making what they COULD BE.

Urm ok ...

Sony doesnt actually melt the metal it uses ...

Sony doesnt actually crack out the crude oil and distill off the plastics it uses ...

Sony doesnt exactly churn out the sand and melt it into glass to put into its screens ...

What Sony does is buy up hundreds of differnet components that hundreds of other companies make, it then bundles them together into a TV or a VCR.

The Playstation 3 offers so much too sell it and make a profit would be suicide.

[usefulidiot316]

You're saying Sony, the worlds leading electronics developer doesn't create their own electronics from scratch? Are you that incompetent? Sony is just like Intel, AMD, Nvidia, from start to finish they create all of which you see and use. Now they may partner with other companies, like Microsoft did IBM but Sony doesn't simply say "Create 1,000 of these parts for us triple the cost we can make it as".

This is absurd, I don't even know what to say to you, besides asking you to punch yourself in the face. The fact that you honestly believe Sony spends more on material to create a console then they sell it for, what are you thinking?

All of these sites I'm linked very simply compare it to Blu-ray players that are $200.00 more and at a whim say "Sony loses $200.00 on every single PS3 sold"

Sony doesn't need materials to become "main stream" to make creating their own parts cheaper. The PS3 isn't made out of some super rare material that needs to be dug 6 miles into the Earth's crust to retrieve. PS3 is made out of the same things your computer is made out of now, more or less complex.

Jesus christ, I must not be getting something across, I have been almost passionate with computing for a very long time, never have I heard an electronics company spend more money on simple materials to melt, fuse, what have you then to sell their end result for less.

Sony is simply not making what they COULD BE.

Sony is spending $800 to make every console. And no, they don't make their own parts.

In fact, Nvidia doesn't even make its own parts. AMD and Intel both make their own with their own fabs with their own company payed employees in the US. Nvidia, on the other hand, designs the chips and sends the designs to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company(TSMC) or Universal Manufacturing Company(UMC), I believe is what they're called. The good people of Taiwan make the silicon gpus for Nvidia and ATI, while PCB partners all across the planet make the actual video cards. There is also an Nvidia GPU in the PS3, the RSX, or G70, as people in the PC world call it. Nvidia and TSMC/UMC need to make a profit off that, so Sony has to pay a little extra for it.

The memory, all 512MB of it, was made by someone else, too. There are only about 2 or 3 companies in the world that make RAM, and Sony isn't one of them, so they have to get it from somewhere else. All the different brands of memory you see, like Corsair, OCZ, and whatever else, all probably use the same memory chips in their memory sticks with their logo on it. That also costs Sony a little money.

Sony doesn't make Harddrives either, so someone else had to provide the Harddrives that come standard in every PS3. Nvidia also made the chipset, or northbridge and southbridge in the PS3, not Sony. In fact, other than the Cell processor,(which was probably make by TSMC or UMC and designed by Sony, Toshiba and IBM) all the silicon and printed circuit boards were done by someone else. Also, the Cell isn't a very easy processor to make, having 9 cores, with at least 8 functioning at all times, is going to lower the amount of processors that can run from a full silicon wafer. If you're very passionate about computing, you'd know that that's going to cost a lot of money, too. The PS3 itself isn't even made by Sony, it's assembled somewhere else in either Japan or China.

The only thing in the PS3 that's really designed by Sony is the Blu-Ray player, and that's it. And Blu-Ray isn't cheap, either. Selling hardware at a low price to get sales up and make profits off software has been going on for a long time. Microsoft does it with the 360, and the original Xbox, which cost Microsoft millions of dollars, since they couldn't make it up with enough software sales. Toshiba does it with a $500 version of the HD-DVD player. Nintendo couldn't do it, because the company doesn't have anything to fall back on if the Wii didn't make it, so this generation, they're the only company making a profit off their hardware.

[Rootraz]

Toyato, is that like the Chinese copy of the Toyota?


That's exactly what its like. :dunce: <me

[philcoolguy]

<Flex fingers>





Sony isn't making the Cell Proccessors ...

Since making a proccessor is fucking hard, and to make the Cell Proccessor is even harder. Sony doesn't have the money or the equipment to manufacter them, IBM does.



Wooo lets just factor in the materials cost ...

lets just completely ignore the

-Research funding
-Development funding (including Advertising, Software writing, etc etc)
-Test funding
-Setting up Factories
-Labours to train and work in the factories
-Buying in components
-Assembling components
-Testing components
-Shiping




Well Sony is basically giving away a free Blu-Ray player with its Playstation 3 Console, the next Blu-Ray player is alot more than the PS3 and does a lot less.



Errr ... only a computer is a completely different market ...



Urm ok ...

Sony doesnt actually melt the metal it uses ...

Sony doesnt actually crack out the crude oil and distill off the plastics it uses ...

Sony doesnt exactly churn out the sand and melt it into glass to put into its screens ...

What Sony does is buy up hundreds of differnet components that hundreds of other companies make, it then bundles them together into a TV or a VCR.

The Playstation 3 offers so much too sell it and make a profit would be suicide.


I was gonna completely shut you down again, Papero, but rand0m and useful did it for me. Thanks for saving me a few minutes, guys.