What are the games you cant stand that most others love?

[used_me]

For me, it would have to be Oblivion, just felt really dull.

Another one is Freedom Force, looks cool, but I found it boring.

[Rapex]

the final fantasy games and world of warcraft. What's so great about them?

[Sepharih]

Half-life 2

Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3

Any final fantasy game after VII

[xXSpawnXx]

the final fantasy games and world of warcraft. What's so great about them?

Right on the money.

[HBK4L]

oblivion, zelda, world of warcraft<==they all suck

[Wip3ou7xL]

personally i hate world of warcraft

[Anti Flag]

oblivion, zelda, world of warcraft<==they all suck

oblivion and zelda suck? you sir are out of your mind.

for me it's the final fantasy games, i hate turn based RPG.

[Death_Revenant]

oblivion, zelda, world of warcraft<==they all suck

Obvlivion and wow m ight suck, but zelda is fucking class. They are all great fucking games.

[beardo]

madden series (espn was the best)
WoW
Halo 2

[SatanTheSith]

final fantasy 7

[waterbottl]

I came in here expecting to be the only person that doesn't like Oblivion but apparently a lot of others don't either, good show.

[xeoset]

Zelda TP.

I'm 12 Hours in and I find it sucks. I've had alot of Wii owners say "Dude, your not even at the good part" yet I paid £40 for it and I shouldn't have to wait 12 Hours to have fun.

[shizzle69]

NOO!!! YOU MUST LOVE OBLIVION!!!!

For me it would be the final fanatsy's, and god of war.

[rand0m]

I love it how people state how much WoW sucks ... yeah the biggest online multiplayer played by over 8 million people must really SUCK.

Anyhow, GTA: SA for me, Black guys just arn't cool ...

[No0n3]

I bought final fantasy X after having read good reviews, and wanting to have a fun rpg for ps2.. I feel like I've bought a movie, with small scenes where you control the character. It's like "cinematic-interactive part where you end up in a room-exit the room- new cinematic", if that makes sense. The videos don't seem to be skippable either :( I feel really satisfied if I'm allowed to skip a line of text, but usually it doesn't do anything, just removes the line from the screen, but doesn't skip forward..
Oh yeah, I also don't really like GTA. After a while I get the best guns/cars, and I don't see a point in continueing. I usually just end up running/driving around in the game, and get bored that way. Also very annoying if you're on a hard to finish 'mission', like that stupid RC helicopter one in SA.

[SlOtH]

Halo 2
Anything Zelda
Super Smash Brothers gay ass bullshit

Pretty much anything made by Nintendo really, aside from Metroid and the original SMB games.

[ehogepr]

Even though I haven't played it, I heard Lost Planet is really boring. Looks cool though.

[usefulidiot316]

I love it how people state how much WoW sucks ... yeah the biggest online multiplayer played by over 8 million people must really SUCK.

Anyhow, GTA: SA for me, Black guys just arn't cool ...

People have their own opinion, which is probably why this thread was started.

Anyway, for me, I hate Oblivian, Metal Gear anything, any of the Splinter Cell games, Battlefield 2 and 2142, and GTA Vice City(the excessive colors always give me a headache).

[rand0m]

People have their own opinion, which is probably why this thread was started.

Yeah opinion, like 'I don't like WoW' or 'I like shreddies cereal'.

'WoW fucking sucks' isnt an opinion, its someone trying to push their opinion as fact, a fact that is stupid.

[ChadR6783]

Final Fantasy games.

[psychomonkey62]

zelda is fucking class. They are all great fucking games.

O.K, don't get cocky.

*looks at the Phillips CD-I Zeldas*

*looks at Zelda 2*

*runs away*

But how do so many people hate Oblivion and Metal Gear Solid? They're both incredibly amazing to play, watch, hear, and experience. Not to mention, game of the year candidates and instant classics.

[JuliaAguilar]

All of the GTA games are incredibly overrated, if you ask me. I just don't find that sort of thing fun.

[SatanTheSith]

I agree the GTA games are overrated, I only find it fun to run around and do shit outside the missions and fuck with the cheats. I can only do that for a while though because I get bored.

[:xri:]

Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3



you son of a bitch

[usefulidiot316]

But how do so many people hate Oblivion and Metal Gear Solid? They're both incredibly amazing to play, watch, hear, and experience. Not to mention, game of the year candidates and instant classics.

I didn't like oblivion, because once you get past the graphics, it was just an offline version of World of Warcraft, which, BTW, is no fun offline. I feel the same way about Oblivion that I do about most of my exgirlfriends; they're no fun unless you cheat.

Metal Gear Solid isn't really much of a game, IMO. It has more cut scenes and easter eggs than it does bad guys. Plus, I'm just a little tired of the cliche Japanese fighting robots. After Transformers, Power Rangers, Gundam Wing, etc., gigantic fighting robots just kind of lost its thrill to me. Sure, it's got some decent gameplay, with the stealth fighting action, and whatever, but Splinter Cell does too, and it has all that with a good story line(thanks to Tom Clancy) and no gigantic fighting robots.

[Daucus Karota]

all the Zelda,Halo,Battlefield,James Bond and Final Fantasy games

[poop100]

*looks at the Phillips CD-I Zeldas*




Those were never made.:uhoh:


All those RTS games

Warcraft and WoW

Fighting games

Final fantasy

Super Mario bros

[louis117]

Every game that you have to pay a monthly fee.
Fucking piece of crap.

[OLIAX]

Every game that you have to pay a monthly fee.
Fucking piece of crap.

^what lou said

[MooCowzRock]

Zelda TP.

I'm 12 Hours in and I find it sucks. I've had alot of Wii owners say "Dude, your not even at the good part" yet I paid £40 for it and I shouldn't have to wait 12 Hours to have fun.
WTF, dude, I was having a blast only a couple of hours in...It gets better and better as you go through, get better, get new weapons and learn new moves...

No game starts off in the heat of the excitement. I dont know wtf you were doing for 14 hours not have have started having fun by then...
NOO!!! YOU MUST LOVE OBLIVION!!!!

For me it would be the final fanatsy's, and god of war.

OMG, how could you not have loved God of War??

WTF is wrong with all you people??

[liquidjett]

the halo series. fun but definitely overrated

[weister42]

I think all the sports games are stupid, because they make one every year and will continue to do so until the end of time, almost pointless to buy them because they're obsolete within one year.



Or I'm just not much of a sports person. I like volleyball though, good times;)

[xeoset]

WTF, dude, I was having a blast only a couple of hours in...It gets better and better as you go through, get better, get new weapons and learn new moves...

No game starts off in the heat of the excitement. I dont know wtf you were doing for 14 hours not have have started having fun by then...


OMG, how could you not have loved God of War??

WTF is wrong with all you people??

...I just don't find it fun. Some of the Mini-Games are pretty good, yet overall it doesn't make up for the rest of it.

And why is literally everything in it brown? Isn't Links hair normally blonde?

[puppetmasterjjk]

I like how people are arguing, as if the thread isn't named "what are the games you cant stand that most others love?"

[USB]

At first i really liked the GTA games but now im starting to get bored of them. I mean some people go on about how its sooo fun to run around killing people but i just get bored of it.

Halo 1 and 2. I really tryed to like these games but i cannot for the life of me see what the big deal is about them

[weister42]

Halo 1 and 2. I really tryed to like these games but i cannot for the life of me see what the big deal is about them

Have you tried to play online? I remember I played against some dude with the nametag "USB" and I whooped his ass with so many headshots he quit before the game ended. lol hopefully that wasn't you:D

[skaguitarist182]

Halo for me,
although it is really fun to do system link with 2 teams in 2 rooms

[USB]

Have you tried to play online? I remember I played against some dude with the nametag "USB" and I whooped his ass with so many headshots he quit before the game ended. lol hopefully that wasn't you:D


lol nah i dont think that was me

[buckydungun]

i dont like GOW i hate the way you have to playin 3rd person

[Slug Moses]

Here's my list of what sucks but others love:

Final Fantasy 7 and up - lame, boring and over blown crapfests
Sega Dreamcast - you know when Crazy Taxi is your best game you got nuthin.
Resident Evil series - the majority of the game's difficulty is in the control scheme. Bullshit.
Metal Gear series- Linear, trial and error reload fest, so many damn cutscenes and conversations I want to puke. (original NES version is badass though)
Halo series - formulaic fps on a console.
The Sims - The best part is making your sim use the bathroom properly. Wow.

[JMac453]

Um...

Gears of War - I like RS:V a lot better, Gears is hard to control and gay. No, I'm not retarded...I beat the game; the controls could have been easier though. The action is repetitive to me as well.

That's pretty much it...I can't see how all you people can not like games like Zelda and such.

[Duckels]

Metal Gear Soilid/Splinter Cell

I just dont get in to it all, i am way to impatient. When i wanna kill me some terrorists, i wanna do it in miss bloodshed where i am killing atleast 3 people per bullet.

[doorknobopener]

I can't stand Final Fantasy VII. I think it was the fanbase that made me hate this game and the characters. I really hate Cloud and Sephiroth.

[SatanTheSith]

Im with you 100% doorknobopener

[Electrify]

While I do enjoy it, I totally think Counter Strike is overrated. Not a bad game, but I fail to see how it has so much staying power. I've played many other online shooters and have had much more fun with them than with CS.

Ooh, Mario Kart DS and Metroid DS got real boring real fast for me.

[Slid3r]

Zelda - They just aren't my slice of cake

Madden - There is no skill in this game at all. Since you are only one player, the computer does so much of the work for you. I do NOTHING on defense and I can still get sacks.

[Riukken]

Any game that is not turn-based I do not like. It requires too much button mashing or reflexes if it is not turn-based.

[Fruity_monster]

madden series (espn was the best)
WoW
Halo 2


Halo 2 is great i dont see how you dont enjoy it but im going to have to go with WoW.

[Number 12]

I cant stand Rainbow Six. I went and bought the new one for the 360 to see what the hype was about and I fucking hated it.

[The_Canadian]

Half-life 2


You're parents probably dropped you on your head when you were little.

Lets see....
Halo 2
any final fantasy
any zelda
any pokamans
any sports game

[ConanTL]

World of Warcraft ... I died of boredom after reaching level 19.

[DarkTalon]

Half-life 2


whats your favorate game?
backdoor fags 2: dildos revenge?

[temp100]

While I do enjoy it, I totally think Counter Strike is overrated. Not a bad game, but I fail to see how it has so much staying power. I've played many other online shooters and have had much more fun with them than with CS.

Ooh, Mario Kart DS and Metroid DS got real boring real fast for me.
Agreed. CS becomes rather repetitive... spawn shoot shoot die respawn. However, it's a good LAN game as it's more fun with people you know (like most games) and it runs without hitches - low system requirements and it's quite straightforward/quick to install and start playing.

[poop100]

resident evil



its so hard like you have to find ink ribbons to save!!! and if a zombie bites you twice you die!!!! I have no idea where to go in that game.


But resident evil 4 was fun but hard.

[Total Madman]

Zelda, Final Fantasy and WoW.

[yamahadrummer]

all the GTA's.

[MexAmercn_Moose]

the final fantasy games and world of warcraft. What's so great about them?

ditto.......

[yamahadrummer]

oh yea and WOw and gears of war. i just dont like it.

[USB]

all the GTA's.

QFT those games are so boring.

[roberts]

NOO!!! YOU MUST LOVE OBLIVION!!!!

For me it would be the final fanatsy's, and god of war.

You should be castrated for that comment.


OMG, how could you not have loved God of War??

WTF is wrong with all you people??

My thoughts exactly. That game was fucking badass.

[FuNkYFreSH]

Final Fantasy tooooo slow for me

[ftbllplr]

Oh yeah, I also don't really like GTA. After a while I get the best guns/cars, and I don't see a point in continueing. I usually just end up running/driving around in the game, and get bored that way. Also very annoying if you're on a hard to finish 'mission', like that stupid RC helicopter one in SA.

I like the GTA games, but I see your point. There are a few missions that are almost impossible. Like in GTA: VC you have to race someone in one of the fastest cars in the game with one of the slowest. Also, the police only go after you for street racing, not the other car. The only way I beat him was by knocking the car on its side. It took literally hundreds of tries.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Counter Strike. The game always was way overrated too me.

[thaNe]

GTA: SA.
After III and V.C... GTA starts to get old.

Besides.. hearin "nigga" every five seconds is annoying.

[HoppyPotty]

Gears Of War

So Repetitive!repetitiverepetitiverepetitive

[Keenan]

Everyone I talk to goes on how great Star Ocean till the end of time is. I put 20 hours into it but it was so boring I just quit.

[wpccrazy]

Counter-Strike Source.

[Sleek]

God of War. (was ok but i dont see what the big deal is, DMC is better)
Final Fantasy (Cant be arsed with turned based crap)

How can anyone say Zelda though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xeoset]

Final Fantasy III for the DS. I just couldn't get into it, it's also way too slow.

[rand0m]

I would say Warcraft 3 however im not alone in that matter.

[MooCowzRock]

CS: Source...

I work at a LAN gaming center, so we are big on PC's...so like most of the people I work with are big CS fanboys...I can stand it, and they are so elitist about it...The game is really nothing special...

[SatanTheSith]

KOTOR 2

I just cant get into this game at all

[bigjohn711]

I am preparing for some serious flaming from this.

HALO IS RETARDED. IT IS NOT REVOLUTIONARY.

It looks good, but I didn't find it to be as fun as most other FPSs I've played like "Black", "Area 51", and "Call of Duty".

[bigjohn711]

God of War. (was ok but i dont see what the big deal is, DMC is better)
Final Fantasy (Cant be arsed with turned based crap)

How can anyone say Zelda though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah, GOW probably wouldn't exist if it weren't for DMC anyway.

[Shackelford]

Halo 2
Final Fantasy
GTA
Zelda


It's not that I hate Zelda games because I liked the N64 ones but I can't get into them. No matter how hard I try they just don't do anything for me

[MooCowzRock]

I am preparing for some serious flaming from this.

HALO IS RETARDED. IT IS NOT REVOLUTIONARY.

It looks good, but I didn't find it to be as fun as most other FPSs I've played like "Black", "Area 51", and "Call of Duty".

No one thinks its revolutionary. Its just that its really easy to play, and really really standard that everyone likes it. Its just easy to jump on and play a multiplayer FPS.

But it really isnt anything special by any means...

[MrHappyLongSack]

Anything on playstation or xbox

[bigjohn711]

Gears Of War

So Repetitive!repetitiverepetitiverepetitive

it's so beautiful though!

and the online is pretty fun with a headset:)

[MooCowzRock]

it's so beautiful though!

and the online is pretty fun with a headset:)

Yeah, it gets so repetitive, but I cant help but love it when I blow someone's head off with a sniper, or blow them literally to pieces with a rocket or shotgun...

As much as some nintendo fanboys and others claim otherwise, sometimes graphics can completely make a game, and make is good.

[Senordirtyface]

resident evil



its so hard like you have to find ink ribbons to save!!! and if a zombie bites you twice you die!!!! I have no idea where to go in that game.


But resident evil 4 was fun but hard.

Jesus how the hell was RE4 hard, you compared it to the original RE! The game is a fuckin cakewalk compared to the original, which was really fun. I think the whole series is great! For me the ones I hate the most are...
-Burnout Series
-DMC series (they are so fuckin repetitive)
-WoW (just because its so easy/boring, I guess they had to dumb it down so they would sell more.

[BraineateR]

Anything on playstation or xbox

You can't tell me you played everything on ps2 and xbox so stfu noob.

I can't stand most sport's games, more of a shooter fanatic

[Fraud]

All the final fantasies

[emster]

Need For Speed.

[Total Madman]

I like the GTA games, but I see your point. There are a few missions that are almost impossible. Like in GTA: VC you have to race someone in one of the fastest cars in the game with one of the slowest. Also, the police only go after you for street racing, not the other car. The only way I beat him was by knocking the car on its side. It took literally hundreds of tries.

I did that first time, you woman.

[SatanTheSith]

Anything on playstation or xbox

looks like we have a nintendo fanboy

[Sepharih]

No one thinks its revolutionary. Its just that its really easy to play, and really really standard that everyone likes it. Its just easy to jump on and play a multiplayer FPS.

But it really isnt anything special by any means...

It's special to me.

As far as it being "revolutionary" though, I tend to agree for the most part. You just might be able to make a case for it revolutionizing console FPS' (along with Goldeneye), but it didn't have as big an impact on the genre as, for example, Doom did.
I don't honestly give a damn about that though. I judge the game by the game, not the impact and/or revolution it causes. It's inarguable that Devil May Cry had a much bigger impact on the action genre and was far more innovative than God of War was. I could care less. God of War is a better game IMHO.

[Sebastian]

That super smash mega bros whatever game. It can be fun the first 2 minutes. Then you realize you're just pushing random buttons like an idiot

[Slick37c]

Gears of Horrible War

[Number 12]

Gears of War is fun offline with a friend but everyone online is a dumbass

[psychomonkey62]

Those were never made.:uhoh:


They were released in Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-i_games_based_on_The_Legend_of_Zelda_series

Actually, the best argument against me is that they weren't real Zelda games. They were even deleted from the Zelda canon.

[Sebastian]

They were released in Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-i_games_based_on_The_Legend_of_Zelda_series

Actually, the best argument against me is that they weren't real Zelda games. They were even deleted from the Zelda canon.

The problem is, nobody liked those games :eek:

[taffer23]

Honestly Halo I just cant seem to get into it
Need for Speed OMG they are boring

[Number 12]

Need for Speed does get boring when you get to the higher levels

[Deadsoul]

Final Fantasy Tactics...

And any sports game that isn't Tony Hawk 3

[ItchyItchyFace]

Halosuckssuckssucks

[Meio]

Final Fantasy 7 and up - lame, boring and over blown crapfests

Unless you like that kind of thing.

Sega Dreamcast - you know when Crazy Taxi is your best game you got nuthin.

You are an idiot, so now I will argue with everything you have to say.

Resident Evil series - the majority of the game's difficulty is in the control scheme. Bullshit.

Damn

Metal Gear series- Linear, trial and error reload fest, so many damn cutscenes and conversations I want to puke. (original NES version is badass though)

So, just because you're bad at it it's a bad game? Gotta agree with the very laborious cutscenes though (double damn)

Halo series - formulaic fps on a console.

Ah hah! Halo was not formulaic. Before Halo you had FPSs like Quake and Unreal. Halo forced you to make strategic decisions with weapons, introduced the recharging shield for more strategic depth, amusing AI, a reasonable story (for an FPS), AI squad mates that kind of worked, various vehicles that you could take control of easily and were fun to use, and a perfectly balanced difficulty (legendary is like playing a different game). If Halo had been formulaic, it would have had 10-12 weapons ranging from a melee weapon and a pistol to a giant nuke type weapon, it would have an armour bar and a life bar which are simply degraded by being shot and recharge only when you pick up the relevant icon, the AI bots would run around jumping and shooting you in the head with rocket launchers with no attempt to hide or flank you and certainly with no retreating much.... you get the idea.

Halo is an FPS, but it is not really formulaic. If you really wanted to be pedantic it refactored the formula rather than simply resolving it.

The Sims - The best part is making your sim use the bathroom properly. Wow.

The best part is when your Sim stays up all night trying to get everything done before waking up in a puddle of piss to be informed that they have been fired for being late to work every day... just like real life :)

[SatanTheSith]

Have you read the thread title recently meio? People are entitled to an opinion you know, and my opinion is, you suck. I agree with all the above you quoted cept Metal gear, Resident evil, and dreamcast, good games and systems. but everything else (Including halo) is boring.

[The_Canadian]

Unless you like that kind of thing.
Ah hah! Halo was not formulaic. Before Halo you had FPSs like Quake and Unreal. Halo forced you to make strategic decisions with weapons, introduced the recharging shield for more strategic depth, amusing AI, a reasonable story (for an FPS), AI squad mates that kind of worked, various vehicles that you could take control of easily and were fun to use, and a perfectly balanced difficulty (legendary is like playing a different game). If Halo had been formulaic, it would have had 10-12 weapons ranging from a melee weapon and a pistol to a giant nuke type weapon, it would have an armour bar and a life bar which are simply degraded by being shot and recharge only when you pick up the relevant icon, the AI bots would run around jumping and shooting you in the head with rocket launchers with no attempt to hide or flank you and certainly with no retreating much.... you get the idea.

wow, don't get your panties in a knot. Halo forced you to make stragic decisions with your weapons, are you kidding? You aim, and shoot, easy. Even easier, weapons go into 2 catagories, boom and ammo. Boom are rockets, grenades that go "boom" and can flush out a large amount of people, ammo are everything else. Recharge shield more stragic? Hiding behine a box and waiting for the shield to recharge is reaaaaaaal stragic. amusing AI? The only thing amusing is them running right into a grenade. Reasonable story? Some guy in a green suit goes and shoots up aliens. Vehicles were in FPS a loooooooong time before gaylo. Then you go and talk about super weapons? I dunno, but when I played halo and got control of a tank/ghost/rocket launcher/ other weapons I was raping everyone. Flanking and hiding? In halo, everyone just runs into battle.

[Meio]

wow, don't get your panties in a knot. Halo forced you to make stragic decisions with your weapons, are you kidding? You aim, and shoot, easy. Even easier, weapons go into 2 catagories, boom and ammo. Boom are rockets, grenades that go "boom" and can flush out a large amount of people, ammo are everything else. Recharge shield more stragic? Hiding behine a box and waiting for the shield to recharge is reaaaaaaal stragic. amusing AI? The only thing amusing is them running right into a grenade. Reasonable story? Some guy in a green suit goes and shoots up aliens. Vehicles were in FPS a loooooooong time before gaylo. Then you go and talk about super weapons? I dunno, but when I played halo and got control of a tank/ghost/rocket launcher/ other weapons I was raping everyone. Flanking and hiding? In halo, everyone just runs into battle.

2 things:

Have you finished it on legendary?

I'm commenting on the assertion that Halo is formulaic.


I know people are entitled to opinions... but this is an online discussion forum... and nobody is allowed to baselessly attack the Dreamcast without getting me involved. :)

[Slug Moses]

I know people are entitled to opinions... but this is an online discussion forum... and nobody is allowed to baselessly attack the Dreamcast without getting me involved. :)
That's fine, you can disagree all you want. But the Dreamcast sucked, IMO. The controller was bulky and uncomfortable and it had very few exclusive games. The good games it did have played better on other consoles. What's so great about it?

[Nocturnal]

wow, don't get your panties in a knot. Halo forced you to make stragic decisions with your weapons, are you kidding? You aim, and shoot, easy. Even easier, weapons go into 2 catagories, boom and ammo. Boom are rockets, grenades that go "boom" and can flush out a large amount of people, ammo are everything else. Recharge shield more stragic? Hiding behine a box and waiting for the shield to recharge is reaaaaaaal stragic. amusing AI? The only thing amusing is them running right into a grenade. Reasonable story? Some guy in a green suit goes and shoots up aliens. Vehicles were in FPS a loooooooong time before gaylo. Then you go and talk about super weapons? I dunno, but when I played halo and got control of a tank/ghost/rocket launcher/ other weapons I was raping everyone. Flanking and hiding? In halo, everyone just runs into battle.

What is your basis for comparison? PC shooters?

[Meio]

That's fine, you can disagree all you want. But the Dreamcast sucked, IMO. The controller was bulky and uncomfortable and it had very few exclusive games. The good games it did have played better on other consoles. What's so great about it?

It had lots of 'exclusives' but they mostly got ported to other consoles upon the DCs demise.

The DC had an innovative controller with a great analogue stick with no dead spots and two analogue triggers. It also had expansion ports with a range of supported peripherals. The VMU was an amusing idea... shame the sub games were a bit rubbish.
It was the first console that was online ready out of the box.
Online play cost the price of the game.
At the time it was the cheapest console at launch, adjusted for inflation (I think the Wii has beaten it now).

Soul Calibur
Rez
Ikaruga
Skies of Arcadia
Samba de Amigo
Powerstone
Metropolis Street Racer
Jet Set Radio
Chu Chu Rocket
Bangai-O

How's that for a list of exclusives (within the lifetime of the DC) in such a short lifespan? Remember that the DC lasted barely more than 18 months, about the same amount of time the 360 has been out...

[Deadsoul]

If they ever come out on anything else, they are not really exclusives. Panzer Dragoon Orta is an exclusive, Ico is an exclusive, Super Mario Sunshine is an exclusive. Just because the DC did not last very long, does not mean the games would still not have been released on other platforms.

[Number 12]

Most of those would have been exclusives to the Dreamcast. Such as Jet Grind Radio, that game is still an exclusive but had the Dreamcast stayed around the sequel would not have came out as an exclusive for the XBOX.

[Deadsoul]

Most of those would have been exclusives to the Dreamcast. Such as Jet Grind Radio, that game is still an exclusive but had the Dreamcast stayed around the sequel would not have came out as an exclusive for the XBOX.

You don't know that for a fact. Having one's game shopped to more than one customer base is usually key to a game's success. Rockstar knew that the Xbox, for example, was well enough established to make GTA3 a hit on that platform. Had the Dreamcast lasted, I get the feeling most of it's games would have ended up as they did regardless. As for Jet Grind Radio, that was a Sega Developed game, and therefore not the best example.

[Zuken]

Halo 2

you arent normal

[WolfVonNiflheim]

For me it's without any doubt FIFA and anything that remotely looks like it, NBA, NFL,... Just not my cup of tea.

I can understand that people enjoy FIFA but what I can't understand is the excitement every year about the new instalment: FIFA 2005, FIFA 2006, FIFA 2007, FIFA 2008,..., FIFA 3210: Android League. Seriously I can understand considerable differences if the time between releases would have been 2-3 years at least but apart from team upgrades and minor graphical additions I don't see how this game manages to sell every year.

[Number 12]

You don't know that for a fact. Having one's game shopped to more than one customer base is usually key to a game's success. Rockstar knew that the Xbox, for example, was well enough established to make GTA3 a hit on that platform. Had the Dreamcast lasted, I get the feeling most of it's games would have ended up as they did regardless. As for Jet Grind Radio, that was a Sega Developed game, and therefore not the best example.

I must have forgot that Jet Grind Radio was a Sega game. But you also forget that GTA may have been a Dreamcast game instead of a PS2 game. Rockstar had already made GTA2 a Dreamcast exclusive and never came out on the PS2 so we may have seen GTA3 on the Dreamcast instead of the PS2

[Deadsoul]

I must have forgot that Jet Grind Radio was a Sega game. But you also forget that GTA may have been a Dreamcast game instead of a PS2 game. Rockstar had already made GTA2 a Dreamcast exclusive and never came out on the PS2 so we may have seen GTA3 on the Dreamcast instead of the PS2

But the difference is that JGR was a first party game, whereas GTA3 was a third party game. One is not like the other, sine it remains mostly unlikely that such games, like anything Mario, Halo, or what have you, will ever end up on a rival console. GTA, regardless of where it may or may not have ended up first, would still have likely ended up someplace else as well. Just like it did on the PS2 and the Xbox.

[Number 12]

But the difference is that JGR was a first party game, whereas GTA3 was a third party game. One is not like the other, sine it remains mostly unlikely that such games, like anything Mario, Halo, or what have you, will ever end up on a rival console. GTA, regardless of where it may or may not have ended up first, would still have likely ended up someplace else as well. Just like it did on the PS2 and the Xbox.

Well this is all speculation and neither of us knows for sure but we do know that if they had added a fourth console to the war shit would have gotten extremely hectic and I think that if Dreamcast stayed around Gamecube would have probably bowed out of the race and stuck to making games like Sega is doing now.:eek:

[Deadsoul]

Well, the way I see it, first and third party games show a fundamental marketing difference. A wide majority of first party games never see the light of day on a rival console, in fact, the only company that ever really did that was Sega (unless NEC pulled something like that when they folded, that was some time ago, so I hardly remember). It's pretty rare that a game ever really becomes exclusive when it is not made or published by the console's company itself, but it does happen. Ico was not by Sony, but it was an exclusive, and with Halo, Microsoft simply bought out the company to ensure it would not end up in Sony's hands.

[Meio]

Soul Calibur
Rez
Ikaruga
Skies of Arcadia
Samba de Amigo
Powerstone
Metropolis Street Racer
Jet Set Radio
Chu Chu Rocket
Bangai-O


Well, the way I see it, first and third party games show a fundamental marketing difference. A wide majority of first party games never see the light of day on a rival console, in fact, the only company that ever really did that was Sega (unless NEC pulled something like that when they folded, that was some time ago, so I hardly remember). It's pretty rare that a game ever really becomes exclusive when it is not made or published by the console's company itself, but it does happen. Ico was not by Sony, but it was an exclusive, and with Halo, Microsoft simply bought out the company to ensure it would not end up in Sony's hands.

Well let's have a look at my magic list:

Soul Calibur: Exclusive
Rez: First party, released on PS2 years later
Ikaruga: Third party, Naomi port, released on Gamecube a year or so later.
Skies of Arcadia: First party, adjusted and released on Gamecube years later
Samba de Amigo: Exclusive
Powerstone: Exclusive
Metropolis Street Racer: Exclusive
Jet Set Radio: Exclusive
Chu Chu Rocket: Exclusive
Bangai-O: highly adjusted N64 port, exclusive to this gen

So from that list the only third party, non-exclusive is Ikaruga and that was a Naomi native ported to the Gamecube when it was obvious that the DC really was dead.

I could make another list of pure exclusives:

Shenmue
Border Down
Sonic Adventure

[Deadsoul]

Well let's have a look at my magic list:

Soul Calibur: Exclusive
Rez: First party, released on PS2 years later
Ikaruga: Third party, Naomi port, released on Gamecube a year or so later.
Skies of Arcadia: First party, adjusted and released on Gamecube years later
Samba de Amigo: Exclusive
Powerstone: Exclusive
Metropolis Street Racer: Exclusive
Jet Set Radio: Exclusive
Chu Chu Rocket: Exclusive
Bangai-O: highly adjusted N64 port, exclusive to this gen

So from that list the only third party, non-exclusive is Ikaruga and that was a Naomi native ported to the Gamecube when it was obvious that the DC really was dead.

I could make another list of pure exclusives:

Shenmue
Border Down
Sonic Adventure

I wouldn't bother considering them exclusives if they ever found a home on a rival console at all. Sonic Adventure was released on the Gamecube, as were Skies of Arcadia and Ikaruga. The two companies having at the time been rivals, shows that certain properties really were surrendered to turn better sales and wider profit margins. Powerstone on the other had fails at exclusivity in that it will now be release on the PSP, not a rival system, but another system all the same, thereby rendering it a product of exclusivity no-longer.

And as I'd stated before, some of these were not first party releases, so the odds were good other consoles would see an iteration of that game soorer or laster.

[NYG 5]

gears of war.

fucking boring as shit and has no story

[Meio]

I wouldn't bother considering them exclusives if they ever found a home on a rival console at all. Sonic Adventure was released on the Gamecube, as were Skies of Arcadia and Ikaruga. The two companies having at the time been rivals, shows that certain properties really were surrendered to turn better sales and wider profit margins. Powerstone on the other had fails at exclusivity in that it will now be release on the PSP, not a rival system, but another system all the same, thereby rendering it a product of exclusivity no-longer.

And as I'd stated before, some of these were not first party releases, so the odds were good other consoled would see an iteration of that game soorer or laster.

Read the list... Ok a different version of Sonic Adventure came out for the GC 5 years after the original, well into the Sega as publisher period, but I listed outright exclusives of some classic games.

Skies came out in 2002 for the GC, Sega droppped hardware dev to become publishers in 2001, so they were not rivals at the time.

Ikaruga was Treasure and G.rev and was released after the DC had died, so they were bound to cast around for a more viable market (GC? Mugs!)

The point being that th DC was much better than Crazy Taxi.

[Deadsoul]

The console market lives in generations, starting with Sega, Nintendo, and to a far lesser extent, the Atari. Each cycle of said generation, rival companies release newer better platforms for gaming, and thus the next generation is born.

Sega has it's Genesis to rival the SNES. Then they brought out the Sega CD and 32x as a pre-empted means of establishing a solid market base as they faced the behemoths that were the upcoming N64 and Playstation. Eventually, the Saturn popped up, and in a few short years Sega wanted to be the first one out for the next generation cycle. That cycle, chronological mess though it may be, starts with the DC and ends with the Xbox. First party games found a home on other console, a once unthinkable act now committed by a once powerful game company that wanted to cut it's losses and re-deploy it's resources in a more profitable fashion.

This means that game with titles like Sonic, Phantasy Star, and Crazy Taxi, would see themselves cradled in the trays of the GaneCube, the Xbox, and even the GBA and PSP. There may have, at one time, existed an argument that these titles were Sega only, but that was when Sega had a system of their own. The argument now holds no water, and these properties are pushed out by their formal rivals, removiong any and all exclusivity altogether.

[Kazimierz]

Halo 2.

I don't know why so many of you tools like it. All it's got going for it is XBOX Live, but otherwise it's a poor follow-up to one of the greatest console games ever made.

[Meio]

The console market lives in generations, starting with Sega, Nintendo, and to a far lesser extent, the Atari. Each cycle of said generation, rival companies release newer better platforms for gaming, and thus the next generation is born.

Sega has it's Genesis to rival the SNES. Then they brought out the Sega CD and 32x as a pre-empted means of establishing a solid market base as they faced the behemoths that were the upcoming N64 and Playstation. Eventually, the Saturn popped up, and in a few short years Sega wanted to be the first one out for the next generation cycle. That cycle, chronological mess though it may be, starts with the DC and ends with the Xbox. First party games found a home on other console, a once unthinkable act now committed by a once powerful game company that wanted to cut it's losses and re-deploy it's resources in a more profitable fashion.

This means that game with titles like Sonic, Phantasy Star, and Crazy Taxi, would see themselves cradled in the trays of the GaneCube, the Xbox, and even the GBA and PSP. There may have, at one time, existed an argument that these titles were Sega only, but that was when Sega had a system of their own. The argument now holds no water, and these properties are pushed out by their formal rivals, removiong any and all exclusivity altogether.

Where did you copy that from?

It does indicate that if Sega had a system of their own Sonic, Phantasy Star and Crazy Taxi might not have ended up on other consoles, and makes no mention of the actual exclusives that (possibly due to having to pay publishing fees to another firm - Chu Chu Rocket, having no control of hardware technology - Samba de Amigo, or not knowing where the Sega fanbase has ended up - the failure of the Shenmue 2 port resulting in no Shenmue 3) have yet to surface in some form on other machines.

[NYG 5]

Halo 2.

I don't know why so many of you tools like it. All it's got going for it is XBOX Live, but otherwise it's a poor follow-up to one of the greatest console games ever made.

i agree. fuck the halo 2 campaign:preachon:

[Deadsoul]

Where did you copy that from?

It does indicate that if Sega had a system of their own Sonic, Phantasy Star and Crazy Taxi might not have ended up on other consoles, and makes no mention of the actual exclusives that (possibly due to having to pay publishing fees to another firm - Chu Chu Rocket, having no control of hardware technology - Samba de Amigo, or not knowing where the Sega fanbase has ended up - the failure of the Shenmue 2 port resulting in no Shenmue 3) have yet to surface in some form on other machines.

lol, I didn't copy anything, as a matter of fact, I wrote it while I while I was passing out on Ambien, and just returned to make sure it made sense.

As for the entire list of games, you brought those all up, exclusives and non exclusives, to argue with me about my original point. I was merely trying to point out the very large holes in your argument.

[Meio]

lol, I didn't copy anything, as a matter of fact, I wrote it while I while I was passing out on Ambien, and just returned to make sure it made sense.

As for the entire list of games, you brought those all up, exclusives and non exclusives, to argue with me about my original point. I was merely trying to point out the very large holes in your argument.

You actually reinforced my argument. My argument being that anyone who contends that Crazy Taxi is all the Dreamcast had to offer is an idiot.

[Deadsoul]

I'll just point to my previous posts and say, nice try.:wave:

[Meio]

I'll just point to my previous posts and say, nice try.:wave:

So are you saying that the best game for the Dreamcast was Crazy Taxi? I don't get what your argument is.

[waxtaco]

reading this thread made me more tolerant of peoples crazy opinions (People hating mgs? wtf is that?!?!?!)
IMO, i thought halo sp was fucking lame, but the mp on the other hand was amazing.

[omgwtfbbq?]

Hello Kitty: Island Adventure 2

[Deadsoul]

So are you saying that the best game for the Dreamcast was Crazy Taxi? I don't get what your argument is.

Only suggesting that within the span of the generation of consoles, that some of the games you listed were not really exclusive. Fortunately (or unfortunately) some of them remained on only a single console for a shorter time than others, but as long as they are published for more than one, they are not exclusive.

It might seem fishy, since one could argue then that in any case, nothing really can be called exclusive as long as there is a chance it would be released on anything else. That could be true, but until that happens they are exclusive. Once it happens, that are exclusive no longer.

I think, by the way, that the best DC game is a matter of opinion. Crazy Taxi was good, but I liked Grandia 2 and Soul Calibur more.

[Lounge Fly]

I dont like MK: Double Dash on Gamecube.

[ChocoChipCamo]

I dont like MK: Double Dash on Gamecube.

Ah! gunna have to agree with you there on that one. I absolutely love Mario Kart 64, my friends and I would play it and hold a competition among friends all through the night, memorize the tracks and tricks inside and out, perfect the drifting techniques and all that, but then one day my friend brought over Mario Kart Double Dash for gamecube and egh...Could not stand it. It was just so, childish o_O. It was too much for me, and a few others watching lol almost embarassing that we were playing it, or even watching it be played really. So unfortunate.

Even though I say this, I still play MK 64 from time to time with those of my friends who hadn't gone away to out of state universities XD.

[Meio]

I think, by the way, that the best DC game is a matter of opinion. Crazy Taxi was good, but I liked Grandia 2 and Soul Calibur more.

So we agree then... good. :)

[Daucus Karota]

Hello Kitty: Island Adventure 2

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


damn you!!!!!!


Butters knows best!!!!

[SatanTheSith]

I dunno if I said it but I cant stand zelda

[Lounge Fly]

Ah! gunna have to agree with you there on that one. I absolutely love Mario Kart 64, my friends and I would play it and hold a competition among friends all through the night, memorize the tracks and tricks inside and out, perfect the drifting techniques and all that, but then one day my friend brought over Mario Kart Double Dash for gamecube and egh...Could not stand it. It was just so, childish o_O. It was too much for me, and a few others watching lol almost embarassing that we were playing it, or even watching it be played really. So unfortunate.

Even though I say this, I still play MK 64 from time to time with those of my friends who hadn't gone away to out of state universities XD.

Totally agree with you. To me D.D played more like Diddy Kong Racing, remember that? I hated the fact you more or less had to be shitty charachters & not your favorites in order to have a lighter vehicle to win races. A retarded game.

[EuphoricAgony]

Halo. Halo 2. Counter Strike. Jesus christ, they were simply DECENT at their birth. Move along allready.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

What about fantastic games that never got the recognition they deserved? Halo was basically a neutered ripoff of Tribes. But Tribes never became even half as popular.

[liam shart]

half-life 2.


LAAAMMMMEEEE.

[SatanTheSith]

CS I like because you can just pick up and play for a few minutes if you are short on time. But you are entitled to your opinon so..

[Vice]

I own gears of war, played it alot (havent completed it though) and tbh i found it boring.. Its basically the same shit over and over again. I thought everyone loved this game because of the online side to it, but i got xbox live recently and still dont understand... Someone explain it to me please

[wafflehut69]

Rpgs are boring and not even fun ( runescape,WoW,GUildwars probably being the funnest.) Zelda games are okay but i dont think they are as great as other ppl think. Halo is alright but ppl think its the best thing since sliced bread or the best game (series) ever. Im prob. gonna get halo 3 but in my book halo doesnt stand up to a lot of genesis games especially the old sonic games. RPGS BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!