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Viet Era Marine

03-22-2007, 08:21 PM

In the last 4 years, I can't even remember all the
times I've heard "Bush=Hitler". My only question
to the folks spouting this, is; "You Think So"?

The US response to 9/11 could have been way
much more draconian.

Click Here (http://www.changingthetimes.net/samples/postcoldwar/nightmare.htm)

I know it's a work of fiction, but think about it.
Are these events so far fetched?

Discuss.

Regards,
VEM

bergshadow

03-22-2007, 08:32 PM

Funny, I've never heard W himself equated with Hitler.

I've heard his administration described as fascistic, which is accurate, and the political movement that has adopted him as front man described as similar to the political movement that led to Hitler's takeover of Germany, which is plausible with qualification, but few people ever compare W with the spellbinding orator, political genius, self-made man, and Machiavellian manipulator that was Hitler.

Kazimierz

03-22-2007, 08:37 PM

The biggest similarities i find with Hitler (and really the NSDAP), and Bush (and his neoconservative administration specifically), is the tactics they use to fulfill their agendas. The Reichstag fire, Article 48, Xenophobic fear-mongering, an us-vs-them approach, the use of propaganda, the aligning of patriotism with one side and labelling the opposition as dangerous, extreme partisanship and almost complete refusal to work with opposing political voices, secrecy, consolidation and centralization of power, etc ALL have present, Bush administration examples.

NYG 5

03-22-2007, 09:07 PM

yea except one thing

when hitler spoke, crowds answered with thunderous applause

"now with my uh... with my....state....uh.... my speech to the nation..whatever..."

does not compare

Durkastan

03-22-2007, 11:40 PM

I think of a horde of community college kids hanging out at the nearby starbucks :ahhh:

pat99872

03-23-2007, 12:01 AM

yea except one thing

when hitler spoke, crowds answered with thunderous applause

"now with my uh... with my....state....uh.... my speech to the nation..whatever..."

does not compare

HAHA! bushy isn't smart enough to be compared to Hitler.

I'm not saying what he did was right back in WWII, but he was fairly intelligent.

Spike Lee

03-23-2007, 12:16 AM

a7x1337

03-23-2007, 12:58 AM

yea except one thing

when hitler spoke, crowds answered with thunderous applause

"now with my uh... with my....state....uh.... my speech to the nation..whatever..."

does not compare
:lol: quality post. unlike this one...

see? republicans have a sense of humor

theC

03-23-2007, 01:10 AM

I'm not saying what he did was right back in WWII, but he was fairly intelligent.

I think some people make Hitler out to be much smarter than he actually was. He was a good speaker and knew how to exploit certain situations but he was hardly this great military genius or meticulous planner.

I would never say Bush=Hitler (unless I was joking), but there are obvious similarities to some of the Bush administration's actions and what happened in Nazi Germany in the 30's, albeit, to a lesser degree... but it's not just similarities with Nazi Germany but with any sort of modern totalitarianism in general.

pantomime

03-23-2007, 01:53 AM

Saddam Hussein = Adolf Hitler.

Both cowardly locked themselves into a hole in the ground when it looked all over for them. Hitler put a bullet in his head, and Hussein evaded the inevitable end.

chalupa

03-23-2007, 10:17 AM

Saddam Hussein = Adolf Hitler.

Both cowardly locked themselves into a hole in the ground when it looked all over for them. Hitler put a bullet in his head, and Hussein evaded the inevitable end.

You're giving Saddam too much credit.

evilmittens

03-23-2007, 11:17 AM

Hitler was the right man at the right time with the right charisthma to bend Germany to his will. He was neither a retard nor was he a genius.

Viet Era Marine

03-23-2007, 11:27 AM

Did anyone even bother to read the story that was linked
to this thread?

Click Here (http://www.changingthetimes.net/samples/postcoldwar/nightmare.htm)

The key phrase here was; "The US response to 9/11 could
have been way much more draconian".

You know, as in 'Final Solution' type draconian.

Guess you all were just too busy.

Regards,
VEM

evilmittens

03-23-2007, 11:29 AM

Viet Era Marine

03-23-2007, 11:36 AM

I read it awhile ago at AH.com before DMA posted it to CTT. I wil have a story in May on CTT if all goes right.

Congrats Mittens! Seriously.

See, I was expecting responses like;
"Holy Shit, I guess GW was pretty moderate after all". / "Holy Balls, look what could have happened".

Regards,
VEM

Henkie

03-23-2007, 02:19 PM

Can't read it, apparently the site-owner is out of brandwidth.

Fish_Bone

03-23-2007, 04:04 PM

Did anyone even bother to read the story that was linked
to this thread?

Click Here (http://www.changingthetimes.net/samples/postcoldwar/nightmare.htm)

How can we? It keeps saying that the bandwidth limit has exceeded. That link is dead. :mad:

Viet Era Marine

03-23-2007, 04:14 PM

Can't read it, apparently the site-owner is out of brandwidth.

SHIT! It's becoming a very popular site for AH stories.

Basicly the story goes like this:

9/11 happens.

US determines it's AQ and OBL that did it.

US locates OBL in Afganistan and demands extradition.

Taliban refuses.

One last warning from US.

Taliban refuses for last time.

GW gives green light for NUKES in Afganistan.

Afganistan and Pakistan / Afganistan border area turned
into Nuclear Wasteland.

After that it's pretty much "Anyone want to fuck with
the US and you get a NUKE Too".

World proceeds to turn upsidedown overnight.

Legislation passed in US that makes Patriot Act look
like the ACLU wrote it.

Last line in the story is; "Welcome to the nightmare".

---------------------------------------------

As you can see from the above sysnopsis, what GW
actually did was pretty damn moderate.
I don't care how harsh you thought what happened was,
it could have been 100X worse.

Regards,
VEM

chalupa

03-23-2007, 04:29 PM

SHIT! It's becoming a very popular site for AH stories.

Basicly the story goes like this:

9/11 happens.

US determines it's AQ and OBL that did it.

US locates OBL in Afganistan and demands extradition.

Taliban refuses.

One last warning from US.

Taliban refuses for last time.

GW gives green light for NUKES in Afganistan.

Afganistan and Pakistan / Afganistan border area turned
into Nuclear Wasteland.

After that it's pretty much "Anyone want to fuck with
the US and you get a NUKE Too".

World proceeds to turn upsidedown overnight.

Legislation passed in US that makes Patriot Act look
like the ACLU wrote it.

Last line in the story is; "Welcome to the nightmare".

---------------------------------------------

As you can see from the above sysnopsis, what GW
actually did was pretty damn moderate.
I don't care how harsh you thought what happened was,
it could have been 100X worse.

Regards,
VEM

erm...spoiler alert maybe? :p

My problem with hypotheticals like this is that they are used to justify a lesser position, like: the Patriot Act really isn't that bad, look what it could have been.

I'm not saying you are doing it, I'm saying that is the risk.

bergshadow

03-23-2007, 04:49 PM

US locates OBL in Afganistan and demands extradition.

Taliban refuses.

One last warning from US.

Taliban refuses for last time.

GW gives green light for NUKES in Afganistan.
This is propaganda. It's the story within a story technique: the key is the initial setup, which is assumed as reality for the hypothetical scene then played out.

The idea is to get the listener to accept a fictional world as real, by setting another story in it. The most famous example is the Thousand and One Nights (the whole thing, including the existence of the storyteller and the King, is fiction). Set in Arabia, interestingly enough.

The US never "demanded extradition" (one cannot "demand" extradition, anyway), or gave any "last warnings", etc, in the real world. The fiction here does not start with nukes, but with the presentation of the US as honorably attempting diplomacy and being defied. The intention is to establish the image of the US as an honorably restrained and civilized power, acting with good intentions and reasonable competence.

It says: given the situation, look what we didn't do - We're OK. The important step is the "given".

theC

03-23-2007, 05:03 PM

As you can see from the above sysnopsis, what GW
actually did was pretty damn moderate.
I don't care how harsh you thought what happened was,
it could have been 100X worse.

That is a ridiculous scenario.
First of all, the effectiveness of using nukes against a spaced-out group of cave dwellers in one of the most sparsely populated countries on the planet is almost zero. Secondly, if the message is to convey, “Fuck with us and you get a nuke or two up your ass!” then the terrorists have effectively won. If that were the doctrine that the US would adopt then it would be very easy for a relatively small terrorist group to start a global nuclear war.

I haven’t read the article because the site seems to be down, but from your summery it’s essentially saying that just because Bush didn’t have a temper tantrum after 9/11 and ‘pressed the button’ it somehow makes his real-life response ‘not that bad.’… as if every action is excusable as long as it’s not the absolute worst-case scenario.

I agree that comparing Bush to Hitler is absurd, but just because Bush could have been worse doesn’t automatically okay all of his actions.

Face Plant

03-23-2007, 05:11 PM

Yeah I agree Bush is not Hitler by a long stretch and when people say he's Hitler it makes them look stupid.

But the Hitler analogy is a two way street, Saddam is not Hitler either, Kim Jong Il is not Hitler or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Hugo Chavez. Only Hitler is Hitler and its time the barking head brigades stops using the Hitler/Nazi equivalency.

Deamatix

03-23-2007, 05:23 PM

Well, the website you posted is a piece of crap.

But I'll just say, comparing Bush to Hitler is very demeaning to Hitler.

MidgetHunter

03-23-2007, 05:47 PM

It's Nuremberg all over again.

GlutSow

03-23-2007, 06:35 PM

Fuck man, at least Hitler knew how to wage war. I bet there are thousands of people out there all over the world that could run this country better than the Bush administration. But those people are smart enough to stay away from serious politics.

Henkie

03-23-2007, 06:54 PM

So basically the story is saying "W could've nuked and gotten away with it?" First of all, I'm not too sure he could have and even if he could, it doesn't make him moderate. It's not okay to steal someone's wallet, even though you could've planted a bullet in his eye.

Viet Era Marine

03-23-2007, 07:25 PM

erm...spoiler alert maybe? :p

My problem with hypotheticals like this is that they are used to justify a lesser position, like: the Patriot Act really isn't that bad, look what it could have been.

I'm not saying you are doing it, I'm saying that is the risk.

No, I wasn't going for the "What Bush did Was The Lesser Evil".
Sorry if it came across that way.

What I had hit me in the face was, "Damn, This could have Turned
Into a Real Nightmare".

And for those jumping on the Bush/ Nuke bandwagon, the story is
a lot more in depth than my sysnopsis.

Let's see if I can expand it a bit.

The only Nukes used by the US in the story were, Pak / Afgan
border region and Teran, if I remember correctly.
After that, it was just a matter of responding to everyones'
reactions. Saudis demand the US out of Saudi Arabia, we leave,
but inform the Iraqi Shia of a nice little homeland they can set up
in Southern Saudi Arabia (where the OIL is) and then supply them
with the arms to hold it.

In the meantime, the Saudi Royals are faced with a combo of their own 'National Gaurd / Islamics, ect' and all these groups are bringing
pressure to bear on the Royals.

With the smell of Civil War in the air, Saudi immigration to the UE
skyrockets, causing massive problems there. The UE then clamps down on
Arab immigration, which pisses off the the Algerian nation, they then take back, by force, the Two Spanish Towns and this in turn make the UE lose
face big time.

In response to all this, the UE passes new legislation aimed at
curbing egsisting Islamic populations in the UE. This in turn causes
riots across the UE (mostly in France). All these events trigger a massive Islamic exodus from Algeria & Morraco, putting pressure on the surrounding African nations.

Can you see where this is headed? Global instability on a massive scale.

Hopefully the CTT site will be back up soon, I really don't
want to reprint the entire story here.

Regards,
VEM

Spike Lee

03-23-2007, 07:39 PM

That thing you posted reads like "hey! it could of been worse!".

dead

03-23-2007, 07:58 PM

SHIT! It's becoming a very popular site for AH stories.

Basicly the story goes like this:

9/11 happens.

US determines it's AQ and OBL that did it.

US locates OBL in Afganistan and demands extradition.

Taliban refuses.

One last warning from US.

Taliban refuses for last time.

GW gives green light for NUKES in Afganistan.

Afganistan and Pakistan / Afganistan border area turned
into Nuclear Wasteland.

After that it's pretty much "Anyone want to fuck with
the US and you get a NUKE Too".

World proceeds to turn upsidedown overnight.

Legislation passed in US that makes Patriot Act look
like the ACLU wrote it.

Last line in the story is; "Welcome to the nightmare".

---------------------------------------------

As you can see from the above sysnopsis, what GW
actually did was pretty damn moderate.
I don't care how harsh you thought what happened was,
it could have been 100X worse.

Regards,
VEM
LOL Yeah in comparison to a nuclear mess the mess after 9/11 is less worse :p
Yeah it could be 100* wiorse but it could also be 59408-65246* less worse.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

bergshadow

03-23-2007, 08:07 PM

The whole point of that ignorant juvenilia is to establish its context: the US behaving honorably and diplomatically, with good motives and jsutified intentions, blame for unholy mess and rife evil thereby falling on others,

even if the US had behaved with much less restraint than it actually did.

So given that context for our restraint of record, how much less blame we deserve in the real world !

I think this shit is coming from the same place the allegations of constant Bush = Hitler from lefties is coming from: Righty Rant World, where the spin has gotten so forceful the whole insularity is self-stabilized, like a gyroscope.