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pat99872
03-23-2007, 04:24 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17553636/site/newsweek/

GM Stuffs the Ballot Box!
Slipping behind Toyota in sales, the giant automaker manipulates a Newsweek online survey, turning out the vote in a drive worthy of Karl Rove.

March 10, 2007 - GM may have to hand over its crown to Toyota this year, but it's determined to beat its Japanese rival in at least one race: the Newsweek.com's readers poll. In an online survey accompanying a story I wrote with Allan Sloan about why Toyota is overtaking GM as the world's largest automaker, Newsweek.com asked readers this week which company they thought made a better car. On Monday, Toyota was several laps ahead of GM, by an 80-20 margin. But by Friday, GM was leading by an 83-17 margin, as the total respondents had mushroomed to 80,000 from 14,000.

Turns out GM was orchestrating a get-out-the-vote campaign that would make Karl Rove proud--something that became clear to me when a GM employee called me on Thursday, frustrated that our software wouldn't let him vote twice. (You can't). It seems that on Thursday morning, GM PR official Katie McBride had sent an e-mail blast to the company's worldwide workforce of 318,000 and 7,000 dealers, asking them to vote for GM in our poll--a highly unscientific survey, like all internet polls that invite audience participation. "It's time to stand up and tell the world we're proud of who we are, what we build and how important we are to the U.S. economy," she wrote, including a link to our website.

If GM is embarrassed to have been caught ballot-stuffing, the company isn't showing it. When I called Katie McBride Friday afternoon to ask about her e-mail (which I learned of from a reader's comment), she readily admitted she'd written it. She told me she'd received "six or seven" e-mails from co-workers around the world who were trying to generate votes for GM on the story. "It was going on out there virally so extensively that we thought we should make people aware of it," she explained. "People could vote however they choose to vote. There was no intention of doing anything underhanded."

GM's top PR man makes no apologies, either. "I don't see anything dishonest about it," said Steve Harris, GM VP of Global Communications, who directed McBride to send the e-mail. "Did it skew your survey? Very possibly. But I don't see that as a problem." When I gave Harris the latest results showing GM with a lengthening lead, he was ecstatic. "I think that's great," he said with a laugh.

Did GM do anything unethical? After all, internet polls are driven by reader passions, and are more a form of web entertainment than meaningful measures of public opinion. "No, I don't even find it distasteful," says Poynter Institute journalism ethics instructor Kelly McBride (no relation to Katie McBride). "It sounds like good old-fashioned politics. And it shows that GM has a lot more loyal employees, or maybe desperate employees, than we may have thought."

Toyota found the whole thing amusing. "If GM feels they need to do this, then let them rock and roll," says Irving Miller, Toyota U.S. VP of PR. "But if I were a general consumer and saw that lopsded number (in GM's favor), I'd say, 'this is crazy,' and not put any credibility into it." The bottom line, though, is that Toyota's U.S. sales are up 10.9 percent this year, while GM's are off 6.4 percent. That's one vote GM is finding difficult to reverse.

Could they get anymore pathetic? They must feel big and tough after this scandal. :rollseyes

Tsk tsk tsk... This makes me hate this pathetic company even more.

Don Juan
03-23-2007, 04:45 PM
Um, ok :rolleyes:

pat99872
03-23-2007, 04:48 PM
I thank you for your well thought out input.

car_boy_16
03-23-2007, 05:24 PM
LOL that is pretty damn funny. I don't understand why GM believes that they have the right to hold the record for the 'world's largest automobile company'. They had a very long run at #1 and it's time for them to bow out gracefully and let natural selection take it's course and just deal with the reality of Toyota surpassing them. GM is just starting to come out of thier ugly duckling stage and their cars are improving markedly every year so while now they still have that negative stigma, in time if they continue to put out honest to God reliable and attractive cars they will surely come back around and stay up there in terms of sales and reputation.

But yeah, GM manipulating a non-scientific internet survey is pretty funny...and on a casual level, very pathetic.

Fnr Bikes
03-23-2007, 07:12 PM
So far its ...

General Motors
83%

Toyota
17%

pat99872
03-23-2007, 07:19 PM
GM kindly reminds me of the middle eastern countries. They're both brute savages.

I guess to them cheating on an online poll will potentially ward in more customers so they can suck their wallets dry.

EeekiE
03-23-2007, 08:10 PM
Isn't it GM that buy in loads of foreign cars to see how shit works then clone it? Can't remember who that was now.

car_boy_16
03-23-2007, 11:14 PM
Isn't it GM that buy in loads of foreign cars to see how shit works then clone it? Can't remember who that was now.
I think there are many car companies that do that. Toyota took Neons, back in 1994 when they were released, and reverse-engineered the hell out of it. The Japs were amazed by the Neon considering the price, apprently.

OE800
03-24-2007, 01:16 AM
i voted for GM 19 times already :lol: actually that is kinda funny/sad.

GM kindly reminds me of the middle eastern countries. They're both brute savages.


i hate it when GM raids my village and beheads the men and rapes the women and children, i think they played a role in 9-11 also. :lol:


Tsk tsk tsk...

do you say that in real life?

EeekiE
03-24-2007, 10:08 AM
I think there are many car companies that do that. Toyota took Neons, back in 1994 when they were released, and reverse-engineered the hell out of it. The Japs were amazed by the Neon considering the price, apprently.

Then again I wouldn't say Toyota were great innovators anyway. There small 4pots were a copy of an old european Ford engine iirc.

pat99872
03-24-2007, 10:48 AM
Every time I read that article it gets even more pathetic.

i voted for GM 19 times already actually that is kinda funny/sad. People like you are even sadder. Go ahead and vote as many times as you please. Because that won't change a thing about GM's shitty sales.

:wave:

yamahadrummer
03-25-2007, 08:28 PM
you mean their quarter 4 profit? (http://www.automotive-business-review.com/article_news.asp?guid=9CE87B08-5D84-448A-AA02-9012D801C96C)

car_boy_16
03-26-2007, 02:14 AM
you mean their quarter 4 profit? (http://www.automotive-business-review.com/article_news.asp?guid=9CE87B08-5D84-448A-AA02-9012D801C96C)

GM fourth quarter profit: $950 Million
Toyota fourth quarter profit: $3.6 Billion.

It's all relative.

yamahadrummer
03-26-2007, 02:18 AM
didnt say they were doing good, just saying they actualy made a profit...

car_boy_16
03-26-2007, 02:53 AM
Yeah you got that right! It's nice to see them start to get a grip on things.

Beldar
03-26-2007, 08:24 AM
I don't really care for anything from GM. I mean... YAY! A V8 in the Impala SS! Sweet. "FWD too." Fuck.

FuNkYFreSH
04-14-2007, 01:43 AM
GM fourth quarter profit: $950 Million
Toyota fourth quarter profit: $3.6 Billion.

It's all relative.

-----OWN3D!

OE800
04-14-2007, 01:57 AM
it seems like a lot of americans, well a lot of the kids on this forum at least, are happy to see the big 3 failing, thats kinda retarded if you think about it.

edit: well i can understand pat bc hes azn.

DarcSystems
04-14-2007, 02:06 AM
I don't like the fact that the big 3 are failing. They were once a super power. But it's their own fault. In their efforts to make more money, they used cheap parts, cheap labor, and their quality suffered. By the time it was really hurting them, there was nothing they could do. It would be great to see an american merger, as much as the die hard fans would hate it. Instead of buying all these korean car company's and slapping emblems on their shitty cars, we should make an effort to build something ourselves.

Toyota buying Ford. Ford and GM getting together. I see those two options in the future.

There are pro's and cons to both.

OE800
04-14-2007, 02:08 AM
yeah i understand why they are doing bad right now, but i dont understand why people are so happy about it. its a very bad thing for america.:confused:

car_boy_16
04-14-2007, 03:33 AM
Just to make my voice heard, OE, I am not happy that the big three are "failing". Quite the contraire, I am rooting for them to get back up there and thrive! It means better cars for everybody, and much more fierce competition, which breeds better and cheaper cars, too!

But I post facts, so it still projects a level-headed reality to some who may not be aware of it.

Skiptomylue
04-14-2007, 10:32 AM
idont hope that ford goes under... ford owns mazda.. lol my rx8 im sure in 5 or 6 years will give me some headaches that i WONT be able to fix.. lol i need them up and running..

DarcSystems
04-14-2007, 03:40 PM
I don't think ford will go under, but they definitely will be bought out by someone. I'm still pretty sure it will be Yota.