More bullshit from our Saudi "friends".

[droogsteve]

Speaking after last month's attack on foreign oil contractors in Saudi Arabia that killed six, including two Americans, the Saudis gave their standard bullshit speech to America about aiding us in the war on terror. They tell their own people quite a different story.


Price Abdullah, the Saudi leader, had this to say:

Zionism is behind it. It has become clear now. It has become clear to us. I don’t say, I mean... It is not 100 percent, but 95 percent that the Zionist hands are behind what happened.

Zionism??? But didn't Al Qaeda claim responsibility for the attack? Yep. But Prince Nayef, the Saudi Interior Minister, has an explanation for that:

Al-Qaida is backed by Israel and Zionism

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5218227/

That's right. The people that we call our ally in the war on terror claim that Israel is behind Al Qaeda. Therefore they also believe that Israel was responsible for 9/11 despite the fact that the hijackers were Saudi. These are the people we consider allies on the war on terror.

My point? We have no Arab allies in the war on terror and we need to stop pretending that we do. Saudi Arabia takes our oil money with one hand and finances terror with the other. They will tell us whatever bullshit we want to hear to keep the American dollars pouring in. But among their own people their real agenda shows. They don't even attempt to keep it secret. A state sponsored Wahaabi education is nothing but terrorist indoctrination.

Pakistan is another example. After 9/11 they agreed to "join" the US war on terror so they wouldn't be next on our hit list. We pretend that they are our friends as we ask their "assistance" in tracking Bin Laden. Meanwhile, they've exported nuclear technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran and we've done nothing. There's no need for UN inspections in Pakistan, their program is right out in the open. What's to stop the fundamentalist Muslims in Pakistan from supplying nukes or other WMDs to Al Qaeda for use against us? Nothing. Our solution? Ignore the threat and hope it goes away.

Despite what the politically correct party line dictates, our enemy in the war on terror IS Islam. Let me correct myself, FUNDAMENTALIST Islam. Any nation where it has influence cannot be trusted.

[DaIce72]

I think that Jordan, UAE, and maybe a couple of other countries can be considered arabic allies.

I don't think we will ever attack Saudi Arabia unless they dirrectly attack us (9/11 was not state sponsored) or cut off our oil supply. If we attack another Islamic nation, I see all chaos breaking out across the middle east.

[droogsteve]

Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate attacking anyone unless we are directly threatened. But that doesn't mean that we should trust them or consider them allies in any way shape or form. Considering them allies against TERRORISM is simply ludicrous.

[krackel]

Zionism??? But didn't Al Qaeda claim responsibility for the attack? Yep. But Prince Nayef, the Saudi Interior Minister, has an explanation for that:
That's right. The people that we call our ally in the war on terror claim that Israel is behind Al Qaeda. Therefore they also believe that Israel was responsible for 9/11 despite the fact that the hijackers were Saudi. These are the people we consider allies on the war on terror.


You doubt that israel had role in 911? There was a whole buncha jews that didnt show up to work that day. I dont think it was a coincidence. I cant dig up some webpage proving israel helped push 911, but my intuition says it seems very probable.

[Ironhorse]

You doubt that israel had role in 911? There was a whole buncha jews that didnt show up to work that day. I dont think it was a coincidence. I cant dig up some webpage proving israel helped push 911, but my intuition says it seems very probable.

That's just not true. It was a fucking hoax. Read it here (http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://slate.msn.com/%3Fid=116813)

Krackel, you are one disturbed individual.

[droogsteve]

Of course it's a fucking hoax. I personally knew Jews who died that day.

[Karly]

Steve- IMO- I have always felt that the Saudis needed to be taken out a long time ago. Not just because of the recent & obvious things, but also because their govt has refused to aid our govt in helping families here who have had their children kidnapped by a parent who is a citizen of Saudi Arabia. They are just wolves in sheeps clothing. I feel they are waaay more of a threat than Saddam could ever have been.

[shade]

Unfortunately, your typical saudi likes al queda and hates jews... so naturally everything is the jews' fault.

[JerkyMyTurky]

As the United States used Saddam and Iraq against Iran, as well as used Osama Bin Laden and the Mujahadeen (Taliban of today) against the Soveit empire, they are using Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and any other nation at the moment for personal needs today. Don't be surprised after Saudi Arabia is no longer needed for its oil (as Iraq will be the main provider) that the United States imposes sanctions on Saudi Arabia. Pakistan as well, they say they are our allies, but nobody is a true ally, it is always temporary political bullshit. I don't think their is any nation in the middle east that truly trusts the United States, but they follow along and play the game of world politics to the best they can, so that they don't get on the United States' shit list (the "axis of evil" list). I guess they are allies until we no longer need them.

[Thvggee]

It all plays out like a modern day Crusades...

[Karly]

It all plays out like a modern day Crusades...


Basically, this is all one big war that Bush is praying to God about & the AlQuaeda is worshipping Allah over. Its so pathetic on both their parts. God I hate George Bush.

[pRestOnDeezNutz]

Its sad that muslims arent aware that their religion was developed after the religion of Christianity and Juedism. Why dont they see their religion is impossible?

[Karly]

Its sad that muslims arent aware that their religion was developed after the religion of Christianity and Juedism. Why dont they see their religion is impossible?


the poster boy for tolerance are you eh?

[pRestOnDeezNutz]

yup. You should know. because im a bitch and your watching me...

[wataba]

Its sad that muslims arent aware that their religion was developed after the religion of Christianity and Juedism. Why dont they see their religion is impossible?

i wasn't aware that a religion's age had anything to do with its own validity, it isn't like there wasn't religion before judaism or christianity, does that mean it's wrong

[pRestOnDeezNutz]

From reading the Koran, it states stuff about Allah and relates some issuses towards Jesus. It has alot to do with that dood who was gonna sacrafice his son. But, if that religion says that they are right, and Judeasm and Christianity say they are right. who is MORE right. It does have a timeline. so yes.

[Karly]

yup. You should know. because im a bitch and your watching me...


first- you're silly. secondly- regardless of whether or not you feel that one religion is better that the other due to its longer span thru out history has zero to do with the issues at hand. fact is one group feels they are greater- whether or not they are validated in their beliefs doesnt matter cuz in the end- no one knows anyoleways. we all die eventually- thats when we find out who's right. who the hell knows- Vishnu may be the correct one for all we know. point is that this war right now has turned into a war of religions.pretty sad.

[socrepLT]

Religious wars seem to be a pritty common thing throughout all of the last few thousand years. Strange that such religions teach peace but seem so intent of making war.

[pRestOnDeezNutz]

I am going to BITE YOU!

[shade]

Religious wars seem to be a pritty common thing throughout all of the last few thousand years. Strange that such religions teach peace but seem so intent of making war. Please tell me you are not trying to say that the US is engaged in the middle east as a christan vs muslim campaign.

[DaIce72]

Its sad that muslims arent aware that their religion was developed after the religion of Christianity and Juedism. Why dont they see their religion is impossible?

Why don't you be an ignorant, non-tolerating bastard? You are almost as bad as the Muslim extremeists. If we could get rid of people like you and them, the world would be a much safer place.

[Kanism]

whattaya know, pRestOnDeezNutz...you are now banned...I told everyone to stop littering this part of the board with bullshit...you must've thought that you were exempt...boy howdy...did you think wrong.

[droogsteve]

You beat me to it, but not by much. I had warned him and deleted posts. I was just waiting for the third strike.

Fuck this. I've been too patient. The three strikes thing sounded like a good idea, but it didn't do much. I'm taking a page from Kane's book and relying on my own judgement from now on. Just like all the regulars here, I know who contributes and who's a troll. Nobody will be banned for a differing opinion but I will ban people without warning for starting shit. Anyone not smart enough to know the difference shouldn't be posting here anyway.

[poopchow]

Meanwhile, they've exported nuclear technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran and we've done nothing. There's no need for UN inspections in Pakistan, their program is right out in the open.
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Libya gave up their weapons already due to US pressure.

[Ironhorse]

Now that the Saudi's have "taken care of" Paul Johnson's killers, I wonder if they will be seen as more of an ally to to the U.S. The Saudi government has taken the stance (at least publicly) that terrorism is bad and will not be tolerated. I believe that is the first step down a long road towards ending the Saudi citizens fascination with killing westerners.

For instance, there was a time in America that our government took a stance and said that slavery was wrong. At that time, they didn't have many supporters about that issue in the United States. They still made the "right" policy decision and now 150 years later, we can thank them for their vision.

The road to ending terrorism is going to be a long one. The entire mindset of billions of people in the Middle East has to change. They have been taught by their parents, their churches, their teachers that westerners are infidels and must be killed. I believe the Saudi government at the very least should be commended on taking a stance against those beliefs.