Metallica is the most overrated band EVER.

[oopyman]

The guitar and bass are average. The drums suck. The vocals suck. Lars Ulrich is an asshole. They're sellouts.

They're even more overrated than KISS.

[NME]

They're even more overrated than KISS.
Not possible.

[oopyman]

Not possible.
Eh, you're probably right, but that doesn't change the fact that Metallica sucks and is way overrated.

[BuddRDwyer]

how the fuck are they sellouts. oh yah dickface kirk can play any hendrix song. How bout the drummer and the bassist for the doors and the experience THEY SUCK ASS. oh yeah srv would rape hendrix in a battle

[oopyman]

how the fuck are they sellouts. oh yah dickface kirk can play any hendrix song. How bout the drummer and the bassist for the doors and the experience THEY SUCK ASS. oh yeah srv would rape hendrix in a battle
You know how they fucking sold out. A lot of people can play Hendrix songs, but they can't write them. The Doors don't even have a bassist.

[BiZaLL]

yeah yeah yeah, he can play any hendrix song... but can he make any thing up that great?







NOPE

[oopyman]

yeah yeah yeah, he can play any hendrix song... but can he make any thing up that great?







NOPE
Exactly! Just because they can read music doesn't make it great.

[NME]

Hendrix sucks, Doors sucks.

Metallica converted entirley to nu-metal with the new album, when they neglected to add any guitar solos. Coincidence? I think not.
It's because they knew the kids these days didnt like guitar solos, and so they wanted to be more popular and didnt put any in. Instead, they jammed it full of useless profanity, because thats whats "cool" nowadays. It make me wanna vomit.
There old stuff was good, but this just crosses the line right here.

[oopyman]

Hendrix sucks, Doors sucks.

Metallica converted entirley to nu-metal with the new album, when the neglected to add any guitar solos. Coincidence? I think not.
It's because they knew the kids these days didnt like guitar solos, and so they wanted to be more popular and didnt put any in. Instead, they jammed it full of useless profanity, because thats whats "cool" nowadays. It make me wanna vomit.
There old stuff was good, but this just crosses the line right here.
I fucking hate you. You fucking cunt. Hendrix does NOT FUCKING SUCK. No matter how much you dislike him, you have to respect his playing.

[Albeano]

I fucking hate you. You fucking cunt. Hendrix does NOT FUCKING SUCK. No matter how much you dislike him, you have to respect his playing.

Hendrix was a genius. I'd Like to see ANYONE come up with rifts half as good as his were.

[Big D]

Love ya oopy, but I'm not on board with you here. I'll agree that new Metallica sucks...and new Metallica includes Load, and everything after that, with the Black Album being kinda a hazy transition into sellouts for me.

But Kill em all, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, And Justice for All, and even Garage Days just rock in my opinion. The music from those albums are some of my favorite in the entire world.

I love James' singing voice, and I like the messages and lyrics they incorporated into their albums. The musical style is very simplistic, but very effective. It is difficult to make something simple great, and I say that they did it. Lars may have lost a step, but back in the day, he was the shit. I loved him as a drummer...I think he was very talented. Cliff was the man...no one can argue that. But after his death, I thought Jason did a pretty good job filling in at Bass, although he was no Cliff. I also think Kurt does a fine job on lead.

But, I only listen to the old stuff...I don't think they are the band they once were. The new stuff might as well not exist as far as I'm concerned. I still enjoy them in concert though, although I haven't seen a show since Jason left...

[oopyman]

You see NME, I respect his opinion because he doesn't bad mouth every other kind of music he doesn't like.

[TheCreatorPt49]

oopyman - you obviouslly know nothing about good music, or at least good rock music. metallica are also underrated. EVERY "big" band is overrated and underrated. so you know, go cry home to mama ya jealous tryhard. i don't see any point in this thread whatsoever. there's hundreds like it. you're just another know-nothing clone. all you have is opinion by the way. everyone has one, an opinion is not fact and having one doesn't make you special.

[oopyman]

oopyman - you obviouslly know nothing about good music, or at least good rock music. metallica are also underrated. EVERY "big" band is overrated and underrated. so you know, go cry home to mama ya jealous tryhard. i don't see any point in this thread whatsoever. there's hundreds like it. you're just another know-nothing clone. all you have is opinion by the way. everyone has one, an opinion is not fact and having one doesn't make you special.
Ok, so since I hate Metallica I must be stupid. Try agian, whore.

Every band is overrated AND underrated...Great logic. Retard.

NME told me stop ruining the other thread and make one myself, so I did just that. Have you really read hundreds of threads? With your whopping 2 posts, I doubt it. I'm not a clone. I listen to tons of differnt music. From Emperor to Miles Davis.

[TheCreatorPt49]

i love jimi hendrix. but kirk has been voted the next jimi hendrix many times over. just coz something doesn't suit your TASTE doesn't make it shit! about selling out, many things can be labelled as selling out. here's a few:

not doing stuff for yourself. instead doing it for every single fan which have completely different taste to one another. sticking with one type of music and making yourself very bored that you will end up quitting (without ever MAKING it)
doing stuff ONLY for money. being contrived.
selling your souls to mtv etc. mtv came to metallica by the way. not the other way around.
contradicting all of your beliefs.


but yeah you see, metallica have ALWAYS experimented. their first ballad was fade to black, which was on the second album for fuck sake! imo the black album is probably their best album. it's not my fave though. it's just a great allrounder. it proved to alot of people that metallica can do alot more than play a few thrash songs! it also has more possitivity in it and probably the best vocals by james in he's whole career. hetfield is easily one of the best song writer/singer's around and metallica will continue to be one of the best bands in the world. including one of the worlds best live bands. the new album will have solos and people shouldn't judge and assume etc so much! how about truly THINKING for yourself for once? st anger isnt meant to be poetry and it isnt meant to make perfect sense.
alot of rules were broken and i admire them for that. metallica will always remain unpredictable. the album is still selling and most people are finally starting to "understand" it! the snare drum would sound awful on any other album but it actually enhances the songs on this one! that's if you give it a real chance! if it had lyrics like on master of puppets it would be placed into the same ball ground as those other albums. so that isn't what they wanted. this album is totally different to the rest and i cant believe so many people don't give it a good chance. fucking humans :P it has some awesome riffs and awesome drumming in case nobody noticed! it also has some great vocals. this album doesn't need solos, again i say its a completely different ball park/game! its not underproduced, it's just meant to sound that way. this album is meant to be raw, ugly, relentless, annoying, angry, contradicting etc. all of that stuff! i look at it as a concept album, only not in the traditional sense of course. its like therapy for james. he just got out of rehab and i feel that they just wanted something that was very alive.
st anger songs are definately the best live, but yeah i also think they tried to get it out there fast. james has written some lyrics that dont make any sense at all to some people. thats because anger doesnt make total sense every time! it's like they're trying to put down the essence of what anger is. confusing childish emotions etc etc. it's totally one of those freaky albums that has to grow on most of us. the people that do end up liking enjoy every second of it! so it does still show that metallica have talent. they can make something that looks like it will bore the hell of you but can do the complete opposite. also, alienation is a main thing. when people feel alienated they can get confused and out of confusion etc can come anger and insecurity. well it appears that the album is made so that it will piss people off. but TRUE fans will keep giving it a go. one part of a song can make them angry, but then the next part of the song will cleanse that anger and let them get it out in a healthy way!
man, metallica fans in general are the fussiest bunch. they're never happy with what these boys do :P the reason for the songs being so long is mainly because james wanted something relentless and agro out there. being that there's so much polished up manufactured shite out there. this album makes people question their beliefs and particularly their beliefs on what metal is suppose to be. well the truth is that metal has many subcategories and that it can be experimented to the max! alot of metal is pretty shitty because alot of it is totally unoriginal! metallica aren't a thrash band and the only category of music you can really put them into is metallica! i'm glad that metallica didnt just bring out kill 'em all clones all the time. if they did they wouldnt be as big and talked about as they are now. they wouldnt be as unique and would just be looked at as another crappy metal band. see, alot of people buy load first and then through that softer metal they get into the heavier stuff and end up liking all metal!!
anybody that calls st anger nu-metal needs a few whacks in the head i reckon. fucking closedminded people, you can't argue with them anyway! the best you can really do is just plant seeds. about the live show thing, they're meant to be the best they've ever been in 10 years. i've seen them live and they fucking delivered! i've seen about 200 great to amazing bands and they were easily the most enjoyable. the loads get way to much slack! they sound so different to alot of other music out there, yet they're still very metallica! it's just them experimenting to the max for the hell of experimenting! the thing with the loads is that they're more "album" albums. with master of puppets etc you have every song being awesome on its own. with load you like it alot more if you listen to the whole album in one hit. do that a few times and it should grow on you a little! it's like some of the songs sound a bit weak because they're mainly there to make the whole album feel better overall imo.

i don't really understand how someone can just listen to the first 4 albums. maybe its just because i have very vast music taste. i think metallica's mission is to have a good BODY OF WORK opposed to just having a few great heavy metal cds. when they retire i think they would rather see their fans having alot of variety. metallica have always had great varied music taste and its not their mission to be the heaviest band in the world. i like every album for what they are and all of them are very different. some days i feel like justice, other days i'll feel like reload! anyway, i know this is a long rant, but at least it deserves to be in this thread! the metallica debate is a huge one and theres alot of other stuff i could cover.
let me just say that merchandise is done by pretty much every band! and that if someone doesnt want to buy a metallica pencil case, they dont have to. napster is piracy, they never asked permission and metallica were mostly pissed off because people were getting their unreleased songs for free. metallica do let people trade live bootlegs and do give free stuff away. it's just that their lawyers or whatever noticed that this program and programs like it can make lots of middle-sized bands extinct. especially these days being that broadband is the standard! metallica love to fuck with peoples heads aswell. they love to just have fun and fuck with peoples perceptions. so don't take every single thing they do seriouslly. "when you're too serious, the art suffers" by the way, st anger must be on LOUDDD!!

[TheCreatorPt49]

Ok, so since I hate Metallica I must be stupid. Try agian, whore.

Every band is overrated AND underrated...Great logic. Retard.

NME told me stop ruining the other thread and make one myself, so I did just that. Have you really read hundreds of threads? With your whopping 2 posts, I doubt it. I'm not a clone. I listen to tons of differnt music. From Emperor to Miles Davis.

i havent read thousands of threads. but i have seen enough hate topics in metallica forums by metallica haters etc to get a good idea of how many are created each year. i said every BIG band you hostile non-thinking piece of shit. i didnt say you must be stupid because you hate metallica. i could give 2 shits if someone hates metallica. it is a fact that most metallica "HATERS" know fuck all about metallica though. i just said you know nothing about music. metallica have some of the best guitar and bass solos ever etc. i really give a fuck about the double posting rule! if you have such vast music taste then why are you still an idiot? it doesnt really make sense. so are you going to write up another 200 threads like this saying how much you hate other bands?!? fucking heaps of bands are overrated and im guessing that you dont like some of them.

[TheCreatorPt49]

on behalf of fear factory id like you to listen to the song cyberwaste. did metallica ever promise anything? i cant see how they could have sold out. i mean of course i can understand why people would think that, but i personally cant see how they have if they did. here are some articles i found awhile ago on st anger...


No other contemporary chart-topping rock album sounds remotely like Metallica's St. Anger. Never mind the whirlwind tempos, multiple rhythm changes and seven-minute songs. What's really unusual are the lo-fi tones and unconventional constructions.

The drums don't crack, they clang, and cymbals cut out abruptly. There are no guitar solos. Once in a while a guitar lick lags behind the beat, and frontman James Hetfield's vocals occasionally veer off key.

Stranger still, that's exactly the way Metallica and producer Bob Rock wanted it to sound.

"I wanted to do something to shake up radio and the way everything else sounds," said Rock, who helped write the music and lyrics and played basslines on the album. "To me, this album sounds like four guys in a garage getting together and writing rock songs."

The genesis of Metallica's raw new sound had as much to do with art as with anger. Shortly after Metallica hired Rock — who had worked on their last three studio records, including the pristine, polished Metallica (a.k.a. "the black album") — the producer told drummer Lars Ulrich that he was tired of clean, by-the-book production. He proposed recording in a way that made a statement like some of Ulrich's favorite artists, including Dutch primitivism painter Karel Appel, the Danish experimentalists CoBrA and various groundbreaking jazz musicians. From word one, Lars was on board.

Metallica achieved the primitive sound and schizophrenic vibe of St. Anger by combining old recording technology with cutting-edge editing software. While Rock had previously rigged Lars' kit with multiple modern microphones and dampened the bass drum with pillows, spending as much as a week perfecting a snare sound, this time Rock spent five minutes setting up the drums and recorded the rest of the band with a combination of cheap PA mics and vintage microphones.

With the bare-bones recording equipment in place, Metallica started coming up with riffs together and rocked them out like a group of friends hooking up just to mess around. Once they'd concocted rhythms they liked, they'd combine them and record long jam sessions. Lyrics were written by the entire band moments before a song was recorded, and Hetfield's vocals were recorded in one or two takes to capture the immediacy of the moment, glitches and all.

"There was really no time to get amazing performances out of James," Rock said. "We liked the raw performances. And we didn't do what everyone does and what I've been guilty of for a long time, which is tuning vocals. We just did it, boom, and that was it."

After the basic recordings were done, Metallica tried to add guitar solos. Kirk Hammett recorded a bunch of leads ranging from slow and evocative to lightning-fast and aggressive, but Rock and the band ultimately decided to leave them all out.

"We made a promise to ourselves that we'd only keep stuff that had integrity," Rock said. "We didn't want to make a theatrical statement by adding overdubs. If we added something and it helped the mood or what we were trying to convey, that stayed. But if it distracted from that ... then we killed it. Every time we tried to do a solo, either it dated it slightly or took away from what we were trying to accomplish in some other way. I think we wanted all the aggression to come from the band rather than one player."

Once the band packed up its gear, it was time to unpack the computers. They used the computer program ProTools to reconstruct the songs in sometimes drastically different ways.

"A lot of the songs were done in William Burroughs cut-and-paste fashion," said Rock, referring to a style in which a piece of writing is cut into pieces and reassembled at random. "There are movements in moviemaking and in music where you take technology as an art and you actually abuse it. Some people use ProTools to trick and fool the listener, but we used it more as a creative tool to do something interesting and stretch boundaries.

"Technically, you'll hear cymbals go away and you'll hear bad edits. We wanted to disregard what everybody assumes records should be and throw out all the rules. I've spent 25 years learning how to do it the so-called right way. I didn't want to do that anymore."



—Jon Wiederhorn


Source = http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1472644/06122003/metallica.jhtml

just incase you were wondering

[TheCreatorPt49]

written by a radio dj and printed in one of the issues of kerrang magazine:

Metallica’s St. Anger is 75 minutes of aggression, violence, chaos and brutality. It’s an electrical meltdown wrapped inside a nuclear explosion surrounded by a 500 mile earthquake. On this, we all concur.

From here, we become less agreeable…

After listening to the album twice in its entirety, I’ll state my conclusion now…then spend several paragraphs explaining it…then I’ll state the conclusion again:

This is either the worst dumpster-full of rotten, spoiled garbage Metallica has ever written…or it’s brilliantly groundbreaking. But there is no middle ground. This album isn’t "okay." After hearing it twice, it either sucks or it’s phenomenal.

I suppose I’ll begin by touching on - and agreeing with - all the negatives about which I’ve heard others chanting. First, someone wake up Kirk Hammett and tell him his band’s recording a new album. His alarm clock has been broken for the last 6 months. Where’s Kirk! You’ve got (arguably) the greatest metal guitarist plugging in next to you, and as a reward for all his years of jaw-dropping, neck-shredding, light speed distorted dominance, you give him a grand total of… ZERO solos? What the f*** guys? In every song, there’s at least 2 places where Kirk could just lift off…but we get nothing. Maybe it was Kirk’s decision…in which case he should be flogged. Maybe it was Bob Rock’s decision…in which case he should be drawn and quartered. Most likely it was a collective decision. Now since we can’t execute the whole quartet, I’ll guess I’ll just shake my head and move on.

Secondly, everyone complains about the quality…the production…the mixing…the overall Bob Rocked sound on the record. I agree with the criticisms. St. Anger sounds like it was recorded for less than $1,000 on an 8 track in my friend’s sheet metal garage. Maybe Lars really is broke from Napster, but don’t Metallica have access to a multi-million dollar recording studio with top notch equipment and an unlimited budget? And let’s be honest about Bob Rock…the guy knows his stuff. Dr. Feelgood sounded great. The Black Album was amazingly produced. Bob didn’t suddenly go deaf. You have to believe it was intentional…but why? I’ll get to my theory…

Also, in the mix, the drums are WAY too loud. All you can hear is Lars banging on that tin can. The guitars (what little there are) are buried behind "Tama garage fury," as I will now call it.

As for James’ vocals…they’re rough. They’re raw. It sounds like he did one take and kept it no matter how it sounded. No overdubs, either. I remember watching A Year & a Half in the Life Of…which documented the recording of the Black Album…and Bob Rock made James sing "…and I dub thee Unforgiven" about 40 different times, keeping every take and overdubbing those vocals until they sounded thick and perfect. What a difference 12 years makes… James is thin, often out-of-key, often missing notes, his voice cracks occasionally. I almost started laughing during the Frantic-tic-tic-tock part of that song it was so out-of-key and warbling.

And as for the songs themselves…everyone I’ve talked to says the same thing: "the whole album is the same, repetitive song." It’s true, all the songs sound alike. And yes, all the songs are repetitive, lyrically and musically. The songwriting and arrangement are incredibly subpar compared to past Metallica efforts. Random, pointless time changes litter St. Anger. And several of the songs even start out in the tradition of newer hard rock songs, meaning they play the riff softly, then break into it hardcore. (Think Linkin Park’s One Step Closer or Godsmack’s I Stand Alone.) It’s very typical and, therefore, uncharacteristic of Metallica.

I think that’s about it, right? Have I covered all the reasons why most people think this album tanks?

Alright, now for the flipside…think about this…

Lars warned us for weeks that this record would blow our minds. Critics who heard it early said it was commercial suicide. They would lose all their new Black Album and beyond fans, and their old school fans would be jaded by the lack of creativity, harmony, and guitar solos that were so prevalent on the first 3 albums. Critically, Metallica couldn’t win. We’ve heard this for months.

My first point: we shouldn’t ACT so surprised with what we hear. That said, it’s easy to say "oh, yeah…I’m ready for anything," and then you’re presented with St. Anger and your preparation goes out the dirty window because you can’t believe your ears.

But here’s my big theory on why this album just might be brilliance in disguise…

Metallica have always been anti-glam. Lars has always described them as the anti-Motley Crue. They’ve always gone against the grain, forcing their heaviness down the pop-driven throat of the world. But remember in the late 80s and early 90s when glam was at its peak? Bands like the Crue, Skid Row, Posion, etc. ruled the music scene with their sex, drugs and party attitude accompanied by their teased hair, caked make-up, spandex, leather, lipstick and enough hairspray to make any drag queen proud.

At the time, that was the standard, and everyone did it…

Then along came a band wearing flannel. Their lead singer couldn’t sing like Sebastian Bach. He looked liked a bum. His name was Kurt. He didn’t use hairspray. He had a band called Nirvana. They could rock too, but they said the hell with this false image. They stripped everything down…naked…rock n roll, depressing lyrics and ripped clothes. And grunge was born.

Ten years later, Nirvana is credited with launching a revolution and igniting the hairspray into a flaming glam-wildfire…

So what has happened in the 10 years post-Nirvana? Other bands have come and gone. Grunge had its run. Then when hip-hop took off, suddenly rap rock was thrust upon us…Rage Against the Machine. Kid Rock. Limp Bizkit. 311. Technology improved dramatically. Bands like these started using turntables in their sets and on their albums. More crazy sound effects were incorporated in hard rock. Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson and Rob Zombie pioneered the industrial techno-metal. Korn uses drum machines on their albums. It’s all programmed to sound perfect. Other metal outfits like Iron Maiden and Iced Earth use big orchestras, pianos, voice distortions. Linkin Park uses the digital muting and computerized beats. Guitars are compressed, vocals are overdubbed. It’s technology gone wild to produce the most "perfect-sounding" rock records possible.

[TheCreatorPt49]

At this time, it is the standard, and everyone does it…

Then along comes a band we know very well. They’ve gone through a lot in the past few years. They’ve lost their bassist. They’ve been tangled in unpopular lawsuits. Their front man was in rehab for alcoholism. They can still rock too…but they said the hell with this false image that "hi-tech is best." So they stripped everything down…naked…heavy metal, angry lyrics. Raw. No technology. No effects. No orchestra. No drum machine. No vocal overdubs. And St. Anger was born.

They say things move in cycles. In ‘83, Kill ‘Em All wasn’t popular. It was raw. It was basic thrash metal. Very good thrash metal…but it was simple. Now in ‘03, twenty years later, Metallica have gone full circle. St. Anger is simple. And although not as creative as the debut, it’s more like that record than any other.

So by this analogy (the same way that Nirvana was anti-glam, St. Anger is anti-technology), is Metallica’s new CD fresh and ground-breaking? Or is it more a return to roots? Given the cyclic nature of things, can it be both?

If this album is brilliant, it’s because it was written by a band that could have done something else. They have the money. They have the talent. They have the resources and the best producer in the world. They CHOSE to make St. Anger the way it is, and they did it on purpose. They see how hi-tech hard rock and heavy metal is becoming…so they put out a record that was completely the opposite. They put out a record that was about music…about feelings…about deep emotions. Not one about how many cool samples and effects we can mix together with our budget. St. Anger is a human record. It’s raw. It’s imperfect. It’s real. It’s…human.

Isn’t it refreshing to hear a human record in such a computerized world?

I think so…

And the more I think about it, the more this idea seems brilliantly groundbreaking. Maybe the songs themselves aren’t spectacular, but the POINT they make, from their production quality to their content give the album an amazing cohesion…a unity that gives modern techo-rock the finger. Actually, St. Anger pretty much gives everything the finger.

But here’s the kicker…

It could be said that any garage band from Peoria could make a record that sounds like the new Metallica CD. Why aren’t they considered groundbreaking in their stripped-down, simple philosophy? Well, because our Peoria garage band is poor. Their record HAS to sound naked. And they have no history. Metallica has 20 years of legacy and expectations. And for Metallica to do this by choice, gives the idea its appeal. It had to be the right band at the right time…and Metallica stepped up to the plate to carry the torch.

So if I’m right…if this album is brilliant, does it represent the future of hard rock? Will it have that much influence? Or does the public still want more years of super techo computerized ultra produced rock that showcases megabytes and digitalia instead of talent and songwriting?

I don’t know…

Now the conclusion again. This album is either a serious mistake and the biggest load of crap Metallica ever penned…or it’s brilliant and could change the sound of hard rock for the next 10 years.

Think about it…I’m gonna go listen to the CD again because I have a feeling it's really, really good.


that was the review...
heres what lars said at the end of 2003.

"There are people out there who feel heavy metal should be a certain way, should sound a certain way, and that the people who make heavy metal music should look a certain way, and even behave a certain way.
And we've been fighting against these people since day one, kicking against them in any way we can. We've been down so many paths in our career, and each time we have done so there's been people who have liked what we've done and people who haven't liked it. You know, 'Oh, they're not metal anymore, they've done this, they've done that.' But whatever we've done we've done because we've wanted to, or needed to, for ourselves.

WHAM is probably the most overrated band ever :)

[WhatIsYourName]

Stop wasting your time.You have embarrased yourself enough already.

Metallica is one of my favorite bands but I know where they can be called overrated.I don't think they are sell outs because they started making music videos.

[Tool]

God, some of u need to hire an editor so u can publish ur 10 page post.

Metallica sold out after ..and justice for all because they changed their sound to sell more records. However, they are not overrated! saying so is just being a naive piece of shit. Think of the crap in the 80's...poison, motley crue, def leppard, warrant. Thats some of the worst music ever. There was nothing like metallicas first 4 albums at the time.

[NME]

You see NME, I respect his opinion because he doesn't bad mouth every other kind of music he doesn't like.
I dont give a shit if you respect my opinion or not, Im gonna give it anyway. If you dont like it, go run into train. I'll bad mouth any kind of music I dont like, as much as I want, because I'm not afraid to disagree with people, like some pussies on here.

[WhatIsYourName]

Well,you have made that pretty clear.

[GunsofTheSouth]

noo.....NIRVANA is the most over rated band :D

[rvdsm]

noo.....NIRVANA is the most over rated band :D

agreed.

Also, Metallica was good, when I was 13. I'm older now and enjoy a much wider array of music not limiting myself to one genre. I still listen to the older stuff, but have never really been interested in anything after the black album, I must say.

Now if you want real aggression, pick up a Bobby Vinton album!

[BigMattTheHobo]

I haven't heard a shit load of their songs, but what I have heard all sounds the same.

[irishlinkinluve]

The guitar and bass are average. The drums suck. The vocals suck. Lars Ulrich is an asshole. They're sellouts.

They're even more overrated than KISS.

i luv u man

[Tool]

i luv u man

stfu and go listen to linkin park idiot.

[Mr. Ram]

The guitar and bass are average. The drums suck. The vocals suck. Lars Ulrich is an asshole. They're sellouts.

They're even more overrated than KISS.

Bullshit the beatles are the most overrated band ever.

[GunsofTheSouth]

Bullshit the beatles are the most overrated band ever.

Um...no? The Beatles were actually GOOD.

[Skinny]

Bullshit the beatles are the most overrated band ever.
It's impossible to overrate the Beatles...they're the best. Duh.

[NME]

Well,you have made that pretty clear.
I know, but some people just dont get it.
*knods towards oopyman, who by the way, has a really gay avatar*

[WhatIsYourName]

The Beatles are tighter than an asian school girl.

[NME]

The Beatles are tighter than an asian school girl.
But not oopyman's asshole.

[WhatIsYourName]

If oopyman's asshole was as tight as an asian school girl,he should get medical help.

[oopyman]

Jesus fucking Christ, if you want to get your point across, summorize. I read a quarter of one post and saw how much more there was.

You don't have to be a bunch of fucking twats and flame me just because I don't like Metallica. NME, starting out being a dick to everyone will only get you hated and banned. It's not like metal is extremely easy to listen to. Don't expect everyone to like it and don't get pissed when they don't. Remember, I only made this thread because you told me to.

[NME]

Jesus fucking Christ, if you want to get your point across, summorize. I read a quarter of one post and saw how much more there was.

You don't have to be a bunch of fucking twats and flame me just because I don't like Metallica. NME, starting out being a dick to everyone will only get you hated and banned. It's not like metal is extremely easy to listen to. Don't expect everyone to like it and don't get pissed when they don't. Remember, I only made this thread because you told me to.
1. If the admins wanna ban me they can go right ahead. It just shows how much of pussies you all are if you cant take the critisisms.
2. I hate posers and radio band fanatics. I hate other types of music I dont like and am open about it.
3. I dont make fun of people who dont listen to metal, I make fun of people who listen to shit-for-music. Not everyone has to like metal, just not the shit kids call music these days.
4. You made the thread, good for you. I dont care.

[TheCreatorPt49]

you're a turd oopyman. you KNOW that i'm not just dissing you because you hate metallica. you just appear to be an know-all know-nothing arsehole is all! tool - shut the fuck up man. you have no arguement. you're just pulling shit out of your arse right here. i mean havent millions of people already said that metallica sold out with the black album?? so quit being so fucking unoriginal and actually give us some evidence etc of your theories! i can handle critisizms, but only constructive ones from open minded people with some level of intelligence. if people want to act like infants by screaming out metallica suck shit etc than i will treat them like idiots. its not too hard to understand is it?
i dont give a fuck about people saying that metallica are overrated. i do care when an arseclown that knows nothing about them tries to brainwash everyone to believe that they are the most overrated band ever! i actually admitted that theyre overrated! i just posted that stuff because this is an anti-metallica thread and because alot of people dont understand st anger at all. duh! the beatles ARE overrated. they arent a very good live band at all really and they are treated like gods. metallica's music has more balls etc. i'm not trying to say metallica are better than the beatles, i'm just saying that people do overrate the beatles. i prefer pink floyd myself personally.
nme - i hate posers aswell. yay, we can relate to something. all those people that think they have very open minded music taste and like everything except for albums after the black album can get fucked! you're all full of shit! sure, you'll go and listen to mushroom head, bjork etc but you've somehow beated it into your head that metallica must only play thrash music! let me tell you something, metallica were never a thrash band! they're too skilled for that and even kill 'em all has other elements besides thrash.

[oopyman]

I never claimed I knew everything about music, but I am very open minded when it comes to music. As I've said. I listen all kinds of differnt stuff. Classic rock, punk, metal, classical, and some jazz. You judge me from a few posts that said I don't like a band that you do, and you assume I'm an idiot.


Soooooo,
Fuck You

[Sezril]

Oopyman's one of the few educated people here. Unsurprisingly, he's had the best argument so far in this topic.

[rerat]

Ok..no tallica dissing is EVER justified...up until...about..2000 then...have fun, still love teh guys but c'mon...better to burn out than fade away..

[Sucrose]

The guitar and bass are average. The drums suck. The vocals suck. Lars Ulrich is an asshole. They're sellouts.

They're even more overrated than KISS.

Ulrich is an asshole...I dont care if they are "sellouts". Their music speaks to me, it seriously does, I dont care how hard it is to play what they do I just care how it sounds and metallica sounds un-fucking-believable. Listen to "Fade to Black" and tell me they arent good...listen to "One" and tell me they arent good..."Nothing Else Matters"..."The Unforgiven"..."The Unforgiven II"..."Mama Said"..."The Outlaw Torn"..."Welcome Home(Sanitarium)"...Hell just listen to S&M...especially "No Leaf Clover"...I dont give a fuck what you say you will never convince me that Metallica sucks in any way shape or form, they have changed what music is to me and I love their music...

[j.elohim]

The guitar and bass are average. The drums suck. The vocals suck.


Who the Beatles? :D

Metallica are most certainly not the most overrated band ever, that is far too strong. They aren't even as over rated as Coldplay (who suck and are so highly rated these days for making shite rip offs of other people's music)

[oopyman]

Who the Beatles? :D

HEY! The vocals are good.

[Bert254]

3. I dont make fun of people who dont listen to metal, I make fun of people who listen to shit-for-music.


/ponders what he doesn't call shit for music

[j.elohim]

HEY! The vocals are good.

:D To each his own man... not disputing the other parts then ;)

[irishlinkinluve]

stfu and go listen to linkin park idiot.

eh - make me?? ha

[daemonium]

Metallica isn't the most overrated band, but doesnt change the fact they still suck.

[TheCreatorPt49]

how is that fact???? its just your OPINION fucktard!!! i'd like to see you sell more cds than the beatles etc. pieces of shit like you wouldn't even know how to make 1 good original song. Sezril- he has NO arguement idiot. j.elohim - bloody oath. people just repeat what they hear. people just like what other people like so they can get into some kind of social ring. doesnt seem to worry them that the social ring may be a fraud or anything! fucking beliefs. seems everyone loves justim timberlake, does that mean he rules?? sometimes the majority is right, sometimes they are wrong. lars isnt an arsehole. he may bitch now and then but he's actually a very good person. you obviouslly know fuck all about him. i dont see you helping out cancer patients etc. if you are a true metallica fan you MUST RESPECT LARS. he is the founder of metallica and he constructs most of the songs. james writes the songs and stuff, but lars puts most of it together!

[j.elohim]

j.elohim - bloody oath.


Less of the Aussie slang please. Grammar, spacing and general coherency...you might wanna think about them next time you post, especially if you want anyone to care what you say.

[Sezril]

how is that fact???? its just your OPINION fucktard!!! i'd like to see you sell more cds than the beatles etc. pieces of shit like you wouldn't even know how to make 1 good original song. Sezril- he has NO arguement idiot. j.elohim - bloody oath. people just repeat what they hear. people just like what other people like so they can get into some kind of social ring. doesnt seem to worry them that the social ring may be a fraud or anything! fucking beliefs. seems everyone loves justim timberlake, does that mean he rules?? sometimes the majority is right, sometimes they are wrong. lars isnt an arsehole. he may bitch now and then but he's actually a very good person. you obviouslly know fuck all about him. i dont see you helping out cancer patients etc. if you are a true metallica fan you MUST RESPECT LARS. he is the founder of metallica and he constructs most of the songs. james writes the songs and stuff, but lars puts most of it together!
Hahah.. you are such a tard.

Let it go. For someone who's bitching about opinions, you sure don't like other people to have them.

[Blue Max]

Kill 'Em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets and ...And Justoce for All are kickass albums, Black , Load and ReLoad are the road to perdition and St. Anger is the perdition. Enough said.

[Blue Max]

if you are a true metallica fan you MUST RESPECT LARS. he is the founder of metallica and he constructs most of the songs. james writes the songs and stuff, but lars puts most of it together!
To hear Lars in his full glory, listen to St. Anger. :P

[Coven66]

Fact: metallica hasn't made a good album since the Black album

[Mr. Ram]

Fact: metallica hasn't made a good album since the Black album

Sad but true.

[jimbo]

Metallica does nothing for me, and they are very very very overrated, and to even have the thought that Hendrix or the Doors or Jim Morrison sucks, you really should be shot. I know everyone will have their opnions and this is mine: Metallica suck.

[Tool]

eh - make me?? ha

good comeback =/

I dont have to make u, I know ur probably blasting that shit in your stereo right now.

[NME]

Fact: metallica hasn't made a good album since the Black album
Fact: Your opinion is shit.
(Now see how retarded this is?)

[oopyman]

You're gonna get banned agian. You shouldn't have made that other name.

[Sucrose]

To hear Lars in his full glory, listen to St. Anger. :P
Haha, sooooo true. I liked The Black Album, Load and Reload myself, I think James got really deep on alot of those songs like "Mama Said"...St. Anger sucked hardcore...

[NME]

You're gonna get banned agian. You shouldn't have made that other name.= Off topic flaming, apperantley what I got banned for in the first place.

[oopyman]

How the fuck is that flaming? It would be flaming if I had called you a cunt. I was simply bring the matter to your attention.

[BigMattTheHobo]

You're gonna get banned agian. You shouldn't have made that other name.

That is the most amazing flame....... EVER!!!!








*rolls eyes*

P.S. NME is a cunt

[NME]

How the fuck is that flaming? It would be flaming if I had called you a cunt. I was simply bring the matter to your attention.
I never called anyone a cunt for no reason.
That stupid fag Sam(aka Demilich) copied my avatar so I had to change mine.
That was my friend who came over and started fucking with my computer and making accounts on my forums and shit, arguing with people.

[oopyman]

I doubt it. He registered and complained about the rules after you were banned. He had your avatar and your IP and the exact same opinion about all kinds of music.

[TheCreatorPt49]

how is st anger lars' best work?? best flame ever? if that's a flame then it's more like the worst flame ever! :P i never said those bands sucked jimbo you fucking mental cunt! repeat with me people.. OPINION ISNT FACT, OPINION ISNT FACT, OPINION ISNT FACCCTTTTT!!! jimbo imo metallica are way better than the doors. the bands you mention dont do anything for millions of people and metallica does lots for millions of people etc! it's all just personal preference fuckhead! so use your philosophy on yourself for once you arrogant prick! you suck "very very very" much. metallica>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>jimbo etc. they have accomplished more than you could ever do in 200 years!!



ps: i love knowing that metallica haters have no VALID reason to hate metallica as much as they do. jealousy is a curse.

[ur|anos]

metallica are way better than the doors

ps: i love knowing that metallica haters have no VALID reason to hate metallica as much as they do..

everyone repeat with me......

THIS GUY HAS NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK HES TALKING ABOUT
THIS GUY HAS NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK HES TALKING ABOUT

opinions are not fact so dont force yours on me.

in what way is metallica better then the doors? musically wise = no, talent wise = no, sell out wise = yes

[oopyman]

how is st anger lars' best work?? best flame ever? if that's a flame then it's more like the worst flame ever! :P i never said those bands sucked jimbo you fucking mental cunt! repeat with me people.. OPINION ISNT FACT, OPINION ISNT FACT, OPINION ISNT FACCCTTTTT!!! jimbo imo metallica are way better than the doors. the bands you mention dont do anything for millions of people and metallica does lots for millions of people etc! it's all just personal preference fuckhead! so use your philosophy on yourself for once you arrogant prick! you suck "very very very" much. metallica>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>jimbo etc. they have accomplished more than you could ever do in 200 years!!



ps: i love knowing that metallica haters have no VALID reason to hate metallica as much as they do. jealousy is a curse.

I've got a valid reasons, and I've already told you what they are. The bass and guitar are AVERAGE. The drums fucking SUCK. The vocals SUCK. You really think that Metallica has a better singer then Jim Morrison?

[Sezril]

ps: i love knowing that metallica haters have no VALID reason to hate metallica as much as they do. jealousy is a curse.
Look what they have progressed into. Horrible drumming, bland, uninspired guitar and bass work. Awful vocals. Shit, look at their 'good' stuff.. their early recordings. There still really isn't anything special behind it. Face it, they just happen to be a decent (Now shitty.) thrash band that made it big.

[GunsofTheSouth]

I agree with sezril, and people who don't like them do have a reason. Exactly wat sezril just said. From the start they were only an average band, then they got worse.

[Tool]

From the start they were only an average band, then they got worse.

Yes they got worse, but anyone who believes the first part is a fucking idiot.

[TheCreatorPt49]

ur|anos - righhhht. pull the trigger now!!! your partly right there TOOL! :) i love how you fuckers tell me that all that i write is just opinion and all that you write is just opinion, and then you go ranting on like its all fucking fact again! there's only really 2 legitimate reasons for hating metallica. 1/ you think they're sellouts. 2/ they don't push your buttons. or in other words: you have shit fucking taste! but that's just my opinion. sezril = you can't progress into worser music idiot! progress means just that, progress! excuse me, but it's a fact that st anger has killer riffs! fuck all people deny that. the vocals arent awful etc etc either. it's just that that's your taste/perception/opinion/preference! same to you oopyman. you have NO fucking arguement man! like i said, this is primary school shit! just coz metallica don't suit your taste doesn't mean they are talentless etc! i mean, people like bush, does that mean he isn't a bad president?????..
i don't know who is the best singer in the world (there can't be one) but james hetfield is definately my favourite. i love jim morrison as an artist (vocalist etc) aswell. so let me get this right, you love the beatles drumming, but you think metallica's is average?? GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD CHECKED!! valid reasons for oopy hating metallica = he's taste. valid reasons from oopy for oopy's theory on metallica sucking- NONE. you're just not hearing it right. it's obviouslly just too heavy for you or something. you just don't understand it. do you think you understand everything in the world or something? do you think the smartest person in the world loves everyone and every band or something???

FACTS:- lars is one of the best drummers ever, but he IS overrated. james has been voted best singer/song writer/riff maker dozens of times. metallica make one of the biggest grosses of any band with their live concerts (in which most of them get sold out). MANY metallica songs are on many top 100 best songs ever lists. the same goes with their albums! alot of these lists aren't bullshit either, i've checked it out and the doors etc are pretty much always listed. st anger is still selling, more and more people are starting to understand it and dig it. st anger is UNIQUE, but only those that understand it can see that. THE BLACK ALBUM = UNIQUE. even metallica haters admit that james is one of the best song writers. metallica have many of the best bass and guitar solos EVER written, bi-atches. :P

[Blue Max]

One thing about Lars. What he did, he did on the first 4 albums. All of his fame is based on that. There's nothing new since Black.

[rvdsm]

ur|anos - righhhht. pull the trigger now!!! your partly right there TOOL! :) i love how you fuckers tell me that all that i write is just opinion and all that you write is just opinion, and then you go ranting on like its all fucking fact again!

No rant is fact.

there's only really 2 legitimate reasons for hating metallica. 1/ you think they're sellouts. 2/ they don't push your buttons. or in other words: you have shit fucking taste!

Metallica fan, I see.

but that's just my opinion.

Biased as it may be.

sezril = you can't progress into worser music idiot! progress means just that, progress!

Progress.....Moving forward.......Uh..It would appear that as your diatribe progresses you are making "worser" sense.

excuse me, but it's a fact that st anger has killer riffs! fuck all people deny that.

I would like to quote an excerpt of this very same post:

"i love how you fuckers tell me that all that i write is just opinion and all that you write is just opinion, and then you go ranting on like its all fucking fact again!"

the vocals arent awful etc etc either. it's just that that's your taste/perception/opinion/preference!

Let me see if I have it yet; If you think Metallica suck that is your opinion because it's a fact that they rule.

Interesting!

same to you oopyman. you have NO fucking arguement man! like i said, this is primary school shit!

Am I the only one who DOESN'T know what primary school is?

just coz metallica don't suit your taste doesn't mean they are talentless etc! i mean, people like bush, does that mean he isn't a bad president?????..

I guess whether or not Bush is a bad president depends greatly on who you are speaking to, so the answer to your question is yes.

i don't know who is the best singer in the world (there can't be one) but james hetfield is definately my favourite. i love jim morrison as an artist (vocalist etc) aswell.

Actually, the best can only be one. There can be many great singers, but there can only be one best. How can you have a hundred "bests"? One of those hundred has to be better than the others, which in turn would make them the best.

so let me get this right, you love the beatles drumming, but you think metallica's is average??GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD CHECKED!!

Wait, you mean you don't agree with his opinion?

valid reasons for oopy hating metallica = he's taste.

Mmmmmmm. Taste, is he? I might have to just try him out and see for myself just how taste he is.

valid reasons from oopy for oopy's theory on metallica sucking- NONE. you're just not hearing it right.

Of course one would have to have some sort of auditory damage to not be able to bask in the genius that is Metallica.

it's obviouslly just too heavy for you or something. you just don't understand it.

Yeah grandpa! You don't get OUR music, man! Your just too old, man!

do you think you understand everything in the world or something? do you think the smartest person in the world loves everyone and every band or something???

My question in response to the two above: Can I get some clarification as to the relevance of an answer to either question?

FACTS:- lars is one of the best drummers ever, but he IS overrated.

I would like to see what proof you have that supports this "fact".

james has been voted best singer/song writer/riff maker dozens of times.

Again, proof.

metallica make one of the biggest grosses of any band with their live concerts (in which most of them get sold out).

...and again.

MANY metallica songs are on many top 100 best songs ever lists.

That is a fact, but you know what else is? Many times the sky has many clouds in it. Here's another one; Many times a year it snows in many parts of the world.

the same goes with their albums! alot of these lists aren't bullshit either, i've checked it out and the doors etc are pretty much always listed.

Remember all that fuss over Janet Jackson exposing herself at the superbowl halftime show? Well it turns out that she and Justin planned the whole thing. Don't worry, it's not bullshit! I checked it out!

st anger is still selling, more and more people are starting to understand it and dig it. st anger is UNIQUE, but only those that understand it can see that.

I don't understand it or dig it, but I see that it is unique. All albums are unique, otherwise they would be the same album.

THE BLACK ALBUM = UNIQUE.

Alright! Keep going! Pretty soon you'll get it.....

even metallica haters admit that james is one of the best song writers.

Wait, are we still doing the whole fact thing?

metallica have many of the best bass and guitar solos EVER written, bi-atches. :P

I really hate long posts that don't offer a closing statement or summation. I guess I'll have to make one for the lazy author.

Here it goes:

In summary, all you bi-atches that think Metallica sucks are stupid because you don't seem to understand how much Metallica rocks because you have problems either hearing or comprehending what you hear (or you have no taste).

P. S. - Everything I just said is all FACT.

End summary.

[oopyman]

you love the beatles drumming, but you think metallica's is average??



I never once said I loved the Beatles drumming. It's not even good. But, they sound great when everything (simple bass, simple guitar, and simple drumming) comes together, so I love them. And, I said Metallica's guitar and bass was average. I said the drums fucking sucked.

[WhatIsYourName]

CreatorPt or whatever,Jim Morrison is a way better singer and a better song writer than James Hetfield.You can''t prove me wrong with that and if you do you will embarras yourself yet again.

[Tool]

CreatorPt or whatever,Jim Morrison is a way better singer and a better song writer than James Hetfield.You can''t prove me wrong with that and if you do you will embarras yourself yet again.

lol, you guys are retarted comparing the doors with metallica, 2 completely different styles of music. Who cares what you think about metallica, but you cant give me another speed metal band who made better cd's than ride the lightning or master of puppets.

[WhatIsYourName]

He was the one comparing them two.I was proving a fact.

[Sezril]

sezril = you can't progress into worser music idiot! progress means just that, progress!
Of course, you completely skip over my argument so you can insult a little grammar mishap. Don't you feel the slightest bit embarrassed that you have no real material whatsoever? Seriously, I'm just waiting until you start pulling out the 'Yo' momma' and 'You're gay' shticks.

Not only that, but you can't keep a cool head. Don't give yourself a brain aneurysm over a lost cause like Metallica, bucko.

[Nikki 666]

Lars is most definetly not one of the best drummers ever, he only sounds good because he uses crash cymbols and double bass all the time so it sounds fast and roudy. But really the constant, fast noise is not hard to play.

[ur|anos]

everyone please.................

**** let this thread die in peace ****

we will all be much happier once its gone