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JuliaAguilar

06-24-2007, 06:15 PM

Shymega

06-24-2007, 06:47 PM

Very good game. That 2nd goal was nice. And i agree, Mexico is definitley better.

Watching a packed house of soccer fans in an NFL stadium really puts it into perspective how much better Soccer fans are.

AsHopeDies

06-24-2007, 07:19 PM

Anyone else watch this today? It was on Fox Soccer Channel and so Eddy and I watched it with the shitty American commentators.

What a game! I'm not sure the US should have won, though. Mexico has a lot more skill and experience in international play. The penalty kick did them in, though, and shame about losing Borgetti to injury.

Very good game. That 2nd goal was nice. And i agree, Mexico is definitley better.

Watching a packed house of soccer fans in an NFL stadium really puts it into perspective how much better Soccer fans are.

I watched and loved this game, amazing second goal by Feilhaber, amazing save at the end by Howard. But I gotta disagree about the two teams. Just look at the records over the last 8 years, the US team is the much better team now, regardless of how weird that is to say. El Tri just depends too much on their reputation, they struggled very badly to get to the Gold Cup finals against subpar teams while the US team walked in, only surrendering 2 goals. The US team took it to critics by attacking the whole game, the roles were reversed with Mexico playing the counterattack game all day. DON'T TREAD ON ME!

whocares

06-24-2007, 08:01 PM

Anyone else watch this today? It was on Fox Soccer Channel and so Eddy and I watched it with the shitty American commentators.
You should listen the mexican commentators. They surely are way shittier.

What a game! I'm not sure the US should have won, though. Mexico has a lot more skill and experience in international play. The penalty kick did them in, though, and shame about losing Borgetti to injury.
Both teams played equally good (or equally bad), in my opinion. Mexico surprised me, though. They played shit all the cup until this game.

But I do think that it was a mistake of the referee... so I'll just say congrats to the U.S.

Also, yeah, the U.S. has been better at soccer than Mexico lately. That's a fact.

gigglemuffin

06-24-2007, 08:04 PM

The US at this moment is superior than Mexico. Borgetti can't do shit if Onyewu is on him, happened the last game too. Shame about his injury though, as much as I dislike him as a player he didn't deserve to get hurt (and his sub assisted the first goal!). The penalty was a bit iffy but there was clear contact, Ching just made it look a lot worse. If I was the ref in that situation I probably would have called it as well. Benny Feilhaber's goal was fucking amazing. Totally unexpected one-timer and bye-bye Mexico. IMO Feilhaber is one of the players that WILL lead the US in these next few years, especially in 2010.

The Machine

06-24-2007, 08:34 PM

US has been beating Mexico for a while now. I feel sorry since Mexico cares so much about soccer...

whocares

06-24-2007, 08:35 PM

US has been beating Mexico for a while now. I feel sorry since Mexico cares so much about soccer...
No need for apologies nor anything like that. Is not the US fault that many mexicans get obsessed over a soccer game.

The Machine

06-24-2007, 09:02 PM

No need for apologies nor anything like that. Is not the US fault that many mexicans get obsessed over a soccer game.

I'm not apologizing, I'm just a bit sympathetic and feel pity for them. It's like a religion over there...

MexAmercn_Moose

06-24-2007, 09:03 PM

The funny thing is that most American probably didn't even know that the US team was playing today...it was a very entertaining game, it could have gone both ways but the better team won..USA World Cup Champs in 2010!

Shymega

06-24-2007, 10:33 PM

sweet

06-25-2007, 01:20 AM

How could you say that America shouldn't have won? But anyway I hate how the mexicans play such dirty soccer. They also do way too much of that acting crap. And the fact that their fans were throwing toilet paper on the field even right when Donovan was taking the pk.

MexAmercn_Moose

06-25-2007, 01:35 AM

Nol_Name

06-25-2007, 01:36 AM

Good game i dont watch soccer much but i watch this game. The injury by Borgetti and the penalty kick did Mexico in.:wah: :wah: :wah: :wah: :wah: :wah: :wah:

chengy

06-25-2007, 03:41 AM

JuliaAguilar

06-25-2007, 03:50 AM

I just think about the US going to the Federations cup in a few years ... they'll get their asses handed to them. Sure, the US can compete in North America ... but against South America and Europe? Nigga please.

I still think Mexico is the better team, they were much better with Lavolpe though. Hugo Sanchez hasn't done them any favors. My husband is hoping that this loss will get him fired.

JerkyMyTurky

06-25-2007, 04:46 AM

sinner78

06-25-2007, 06:47 AM

Mexico and USA have both been invited to the Copa America (South American Championships). That tournament starts wednesday I believe. That is more competitive than the Gold Cup, as it includes Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, etc. It should be a better tournament to judge the teams.

usa has picked a team of scrubs for that copa america tournie.
Leaving out all the main players.
Argentina are at full strength .aint gonna be pretty.

James Bond 007

06-25-2007, 10:42 AM

Prince_Vegeta

06-25-2007, 10:55 AM

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Maybe 3010.

Without being too rude, I was going to suggest that as long as Brazil, Argentina, Germany, England, France, Holland, Spain, Italy, Ghana, Czech Republic, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland etc. etc. are in the World cup, it aint happening!

:D

AsHopeDies

06-25-2007, 11:08 AM

I still think Mexico is the better team, they were much better with Lavolpe though. Hugo Sanchez hasn't done them any favors. My husband is hoping that this loss will get him fired.

I gotta ask you to back this up. I'm not trying to be argumentative or to flame, but there is just no evidence to back this up, on paper or on the field. Mexico had played over 750 minutes of scoreless football on US soil going into the Gold Cup final. The series is 8-2-1 in the last 7 years. Everyone brings up the World Cup...but why? Mexico only had 1 win. They had a 0-0 draw to Angola. The US was the only team to muster any result against Italy other than a loss. The US team walked into the Gold Cup final, not surrendering a goal until the semi's, while the Mexican team had a very tough time getting in the final, including a loss to Panama and a 1-0 win in overtime to a Costa Rican team that only had 8 players to Mexico's 11. It's time to stop claiming El Tri's dominance and skill based on jersey alone. They aren't getting it done on the field...and they haven't been for quite a while. They are in no way-shape-or-form the better team. In my opinion is isn't even really close.

Without being too rude, I was going to suggest that as long as Brazil, Argentina, Germany, France, Holland, Spain, Italy, Ghana, Czech Republic, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland etc. etc. are in the World cup, it aint happening!

:D

Fixed it for you ;)

whocares

06-25-2007, 11:33 AM

Actually, Borgetti's injury helped Mexico... don't get me wrong, it's a sad thing that he got injured; however, he isn't a good player anymore... or at least, he wouldn't have been too much help... Omar Bravo is a better player, IMO... he runs faster and fights more to get the ball... Borgetti just waits for a pass to score a goal and that's it.

Also, I still think that Hugo Sanchez is better than LaVolpe...

Prince_Vegeta

06-25-2007, 11:39 AM

Fixed it for you ;)

Well I only included England as we've won it before. Not that I truly believe we'll win it any time this generation! Well, we will as soon as there are 3 West Ham players in the team, history and all that.

3 West Ham players in the england squad... yeah it definately aint happening this generation!

:D

Shymega

06-25-2007, 11:44 AM

Without being too rude, I was going to suggest that as long as Brazil, Argentina, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Portugal are in the World cup, it aint happening!

:D

Fixed it for both of you.

Prince_Vegeta

06-25-2007, 11:49 AM

Fixed it for both of you.

Hardly, the implication was not that a team such as Sweden or Switzerland would win outright, just cream the States.

10 mutha-fucking boinks!

MexAmercn_Moose

06-25-2007, 12:00 PM

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Maybe 3010.

can a man dream?:preachon:

Shymega

06-25-2007, 05:54 PM

Hardly, the implication was not that a team such as Sweden or Switzerland would win outright, just cream the States.

10 mutha-fucking boinks!

I wouldn't go that far. Brazil, Italy and France, fine. But Sweden and the Czechs are not powerhouses and could be beat by any team capable, and the U.S is one of them.

modogthemonkey

06-25-2007, 06:21 PM

can a man dream?:preachon:
If soccer ever got going in the U.S.(which i very much doubt),then the rest of the footballing,oops sorry i mean soccer world ,would stand up and take notice.

Because not doubt it would become a major force that could take soccer to a new level if soccer was its first sport ahead of AF and so on . But untill then the U.S.A.'s only hope is beating Iran,Iraq,North Korea and so on.

Burningnun

06-25-2007, 06:59 PM

Do you guys actually know the names of any American players? McBride, Dempsey, Donovan, Friedel, Reina etc. These are not part time players. If they faced England today I would not know where to put my money. And being shit didn't stop England fans talking about how '06 was our year. Jeeez, let the Yanks have their moment.

AsHopeDies

06-25-2007, 07:30 PM

McBride, Friedel, and Reina have all retired from the National Team. Guys like Tim Howard (goalie, plays for Everton), Ching, Twellman, Dempsey, Donovan, Beasley, are the one's making things happen now for the US team, not to mention Gooch and Bocanegra on the defensive side of things. They are a quality team that played way below their level in the WC. Hopefully they show well in Copa America and the next WC.

Prince_Vegeta

06-25-2007, 10:06 PM

I wouldn't go that far. Brazil, Italy and France, fine. But Sweden and the Czechs are not powerhouses and could be beat by any team capable, and the U.S is one of them.

Czech Republic 3-0 USA (World Cup 2006) you weren't very capable that day I'm afraid.

You have a friendly against Sweden on the 22nd of August. Not of any importance obviously, but we'll see if you can beat 'em anyhows. :)

Dont get me wrong, I dont have any ridiculous grudge against the US team, its just I feel that they are a long way from being a major force in world football.

Perhaps I'm being naive with regards to the popularity and level of coaching of the sport Stateside, however, with the massive population (approximately 300 million) and excellent sports facilities and colleges you have, I'm quite frankly amazed that you haven't managed to scrape together a 23 man world-class squad by now.

Mysterio

06-25-2007, 10:37 PM

It should've been Canada vs Mexico!!! We got robbbed!!!!! haha well we probably would have lost anyway if that call went our way but we need some frickin respect in soccer. Well we just got moved up 38 spots to 56 due to this tournament....

Yea I agree, That was such A BS call. We should have moved to the final.

BUt Donvan is unreal and played very well this tounry.

Rapex

06-25-2007, 10:51 PM

Woot, woot! I was there! Well, okay I wasn't there, but I was near soldier field. It was hilarious because you could easily tell who was a Mexican fan and who was an American fan. All the Mexican fans drove big SUVs and pickup trucks, had Virgin Mary air fresheners, and had really fancy rims. And they were all like "Vi! Va! Me! Xi! Co!"

MexAmercn_Moose

06-25-2007, 10:54 PM

Czech Republic 3-0 USA (World Cup 2006) you weren't very capable that day I'm afraid.

You have a friendly against Sweden on the 22nd of August. Not of any importance obviously, but we'll see if you can beat 'em anyhows. :)

Dont get me wrong, I dont have any ridiculous grudge against the US team, its just I feel that they are a long way from being a major force in world football.

Perhaps I'm being naive with regards to the popularity and level of coaching of the sport Stateside, however, with the massive population (approximately 300 million) and excellent sports facilities and colleges you have, I'm quite frankly amazed that you haven't managed to scrape together a 23 man world-class squad by now.

probably because it is one of the only sports that can have games end in a tie, as you know most of the sports here always have a winner... American Football and Basketball have overtimes and Baseball has extra innings...i myself can't imagine a Basketball game that ends in a tie....soccer is boring to watch on television IMO, just like Baseball, both are more fun when you are actually playing instead of watching...

Prince_Vegeta

06-25-2007, 11:13 PM

probably because it is one of the only sports that can have games end in a tie, as you know most of the sports here always have a winner... American Football and Basketball have overtimes and Baseball has extra innings...i myself can't imagine a Basketball game that ends in a tie....soccer is boring to watch on television IMO, just like Baseball, both are more fun when you are actually playing instead of watching...

Again, no offence, but its 'backwards' thinking like that which will ensure the United States sits at the kiddies table eating their Gold Cup special, whilst the likes of Brazil and Italy get rat-arsed on World Cup punch.

modogthemonkey

06-26-2007, 09:36 AM

Again, no offence, but its 'backwards' thinking like that which will ensure the United States sits at the kiddies table eating their Gold Cup special, whilst the likes of Brazil and Italy get rat-arsed on World Cup punch.

They are not playing in the gold cup no more,its the Copa America for the USA with the big boys......they play Argentina on thursday.

AsHopeDies

06-26-2007, 11:10 AM

Perhaps I'm being naive with regards to the popularity and level of coaching of the sport Stateside, however, with the massive population (approximately 300 million) and excellent sports facilities and colleges you have, I'm quite frankly amazed that you haven't managed to scrape together a 23 man world-class squad by now.

I can only say 2 things to this. (A) We also have 5 other popular professional sports in the states, there are very few countries in the world that even can say that. Then consider that 4 of these leagues are considered the best in the world by a vast majority of people (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL). This is the challenge with soccer in America. Try to convince a 14 year old kid who is the best athlete around to pick soccer over one of those other sports, that promise popularity, money, and the chance to compete against the best in the world. It's a hard sell to get him to pick soccer to move forward with. (B) I still don't understand how we can get to the quarterfinals in a very recent world cup, tie the team that won the most recent world cup, do so well in WC qualifying that we had such a good rank last year, win multiple gold cups, etc. and still not be considered world-class.

USB

06-26-2007, 11:36 AM

^ i think your not considered world class because you guys rarely beat decent sides? In the last world cup you didnt win a game and in the qualifcation you guys only ever play shitty teams. Your qualification group included in this order
1. USA
2. Mexico
3. Costa Rica
4. Trinidad and Tobago
5. Guatemala
6. Panama

Apart from mexico none of those teams are that good tbh. In the 2002 world cup you guys beat portugal but then lost to to poland and merely drew with Korea. Maybe you guys just arent consistent enought.

This isnt a dig or rant at you guys and maybe what i just said is completely wrong but that what my take is on the subject

AsHopeDies

06-26-2007, 01:52 PM

yeah, I guess it's semantics at this point and what should be considered "world class". We can argue forever about who we've beat etc. etc. But I'll ask this one question. Would you consider Mexico a world class football team?

USB

06-26-2007, 01:57 PM

no. I havent really seen them play but i wouldnt place them with the world class sides like Brazil, Italy Agrentina ect.
They're decent but there are much better sides out there

Meio

06-26-2007, 02:07 PM

Then consider that 4 of these leagues are considered the best in the world by a vast majority of people (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL). This is the challenge with soccer in America.

Your leagues in American sports are considered the best in the world by Americans, which is like the Japanese proclaiming that they have the best Sumo tournaments and the Indians stating that they have the best Kabaddi competitions in the world.
That is the case with the NFL.
The NHL is not a national league, but a continental league.
MLB and NBA can't be that good when they can't produce a national team that doesn't frequently get beaten by teams with little association to these leagues.

AsHopeDies

06-26-2007, 02:57 PM

Your leagues in American sports are considered the best in the world by Americans, which is like the Japanese proclaiming that they have the best Sumo tournaments and the Indians stating that they have the best Kabaddi competitions in the world.
That is the case with the NFL.
The NHL is not a national league, but a continental league.
MLB and NBA can't be that good when they can't produce a national team that doesn't frequently get beaten by teams with little association to these leagues.

haha, this is absolute bullshit and you know it. Name a league that is considered the best in the world above the NHL (based mostly in the US), NBA, MLB, and NFL. You were too busy getting your panties in a bunch over an American saying that these professional leagues are widely acknowledged as the best in the world that you completely missed the point. I never claimed these leagues were full of Americans. What makes them the best in the world is that they are full of players from all over the world. The MLB and NHL are the prime examples with the NBA following closely. And, I was also never claiming any ownership of these leagues. I was speaking to the social attention span of the United States. We have these 4 amazing professional leagues playing on such a high level that it is very difficult to fit another successful professional league into the attention span. Again, I have to re-ask my original question, name another country that has so many successful, popular professional leagues?

Your leagues in American sports are considered the best in the world by Americans

You are saying the world and it's elite athletes do not believe the MLB, NHL, NBA, and NFL are the best leagues in the world? Bullshit.

The NHL is not a national league, but a continental league.

I never claimed it was a national league. I'm saying it is based almost entirely in the states and has a large fan base.

MLB and NBA can't be that good when they can't produce a national team that doesn't frequently get beaten by teams with little association to these leagues.

The MLB and NBA are full of foreign players, especially the MLB. These are 'leagues' not 'nations'. They don't produce national teams. That's like saying La Liga and the Premiership are shit leagues because Spain and England's national teams haven't done dick recently. That's just fucking stupid. You need to get rid of your anti-american ignorance and read the point of what I'm saying. I'm not claiming American superiority in any of these sports. I'm claiming the superiority of the professional leagues for these sports that happen to be active in America. It would be very difficult to have another very popular professional league in the States because of this.

Fucking moron.

no. I havent really seen them play but i wouldnt place them with the world class sides like Brazil, Italy Agrentina ect.
They're decent but there are much better sides out there

Ok, in that case there are pretty much what, 3 to 5 'world-class' football teams in the world right now? If that's the case and that's what you mean, then yeah, the US team isn't world class in that sense of the term, not even close.

Solaris

06-26-2007, 03:35 PM

I'd say the top 10 in the FIFA rankings are world class, they are:

Italy
France
Brazil
Germany
Argentina
Portugal
Spain
England
Netherlands
Czech Republic

In that order. I'd say USA's ranking of 16th is a pretty accurate representation of where the USA are.

JuliaAguilar

06-26-2007, 04:27 PM

They are not playing in the gold cup no more,its the Copa America for the USA with the big boys......they play Argentina on thursday.
I really don't think the US stands a fighting chance in hell of beating Argentina. Some of you thought that Mexico plays dirty, wait till they get to Argentina. They're bastards, the lot of them.

I will tune in and watch it if it's televised, though. What American soccer needs more than anything right now is solid support from their country. Once they can garner support, they can garner new interest and new talents, and truly begin to compete at the international level.

Burningnun

06-26-2007, 04:45 PM

My mistake. I didn't realise those guys had retired internationally. The point stands though, USA is a highly capable team

I'd say the top 10 in the FIFA rankings are world class, they are:

Italy
France
Brazil
Germany
Argentina
Portugal
Spain
England
Netherlands
Czech Republic

In that order. I'd say USA's ranking of 16th is a pretty accurate representation of where the USA are.

Up to Portugal I would say they are 'world class.' There is a noticable drop in class between Portgal and Spain, while England, Czech Republic and Holland are not capable of challenging that top 6 consistently.

Henkie

06-26-2007, 04:55 PM

What American soccer needs more than anything right now is solid support from their country.

Quality-players, accept no subsitute! The only thing that's going to make soccer get rid of it's girly image in the US is getting some national soccer hero who actually makes it big time in Europe and that's not happening anytime soon.

AsHopeDies

06-26-2007, 05:19 PM

In that order. I'd say USA's ranking of 16th is a pretty accurate representation of where the USA are.

I'd agree with that

Quality-players, accept no subsitute! The only thing that's going to make soccer get rid of it's girly image in the US is getting some national soccer hero who actually makes it big time in Europe and that's not happening anytime soon.

To be honest, I think that would be the result of her point. In order to get this 'hero', an amazing American athlete would have to actually pick soccer over another sport. And the climate isn't there for that yet. Why would he do that with such clear examples of popularity, fame, and wealth with the three main professional sports in America? Julia is right, with the support comes the interest, and when/if the day comes that the Kobe Bryants and Chad Johnsons (both admitted to be huge soccer fans and both admitted to picking their respective sports for popularity and financial reasons) pick soccer over another sport, then and only then will America be a true powerhouse. But that day can't come until the MLS or another pro soccer league becomes more popular and supported. To be honest, maybe the extreme spike in Hispanic immigration is going to be what it takes to improve the level of the American game.

Meio

06-26-2007, 07:46 PM

Fucking moron.

Well argued, very mature conclusions.

Fuck your mum.

AsHopeDies

06-27-2007, 11:20 AM

Well argued, very mature conclusions.

Fuck your mum.

That'a boy. Way to disregard the friggin' book I wrote picking apart your comments and concentrate only on the insult. Well done.