USA vs Brazil (U20) 2-1 finished

[Farout]

any thoughts?

i know some of you european types might be a bit shocked by the outcome here.

freddy adu was never overrated by the way haha.

[piggyman18]

freddy adu was never overrated by the way haha.

Noooo shit. The kid is fucking phenomenal, and I like it when you twits say he sucks because there's less pressure on him, which makes him play even better.

[liquid jesus]

wow i could really give a shit about soccer, but this seems pretty fucking good. If these are the future stars of team america they might have something here.

[4savo4]

I'm not making excuses for Brazil but didn't they take loads of young players to the copa america?

Freddy adu had a trial at man united last summer so he can't be amazing if we didn't sign him.

[Quiet_Riot]

It's U20 tournament, not the Copa America.

[4savo4]

I know but i mean didn't Brazil take all there young ones too copa america instead of u20's

[navid]

lol brazil's best u20 arent the ones they showed.

[Farout]

still you cant say that in watching this game you couldn't see loads more chemistry and talent than recent Team USA showings.

i'm just excited for my generation. we'll see what happens in 10'

[piggyman18]

still you cant say that in watching this game you couldn't see loads more chemistry and talent than recent Team USA showings.

i'm just excited for my generation. we'll see what happens in 10'

Well, I CAN say that very few members from this squad will make a showing for the World Cup, as Mexico embarrassed Paraguay 6-0 today, less than a week after the US feel to the same Paraguay team 3-1.

[AsHopeDies]

Well, I CAN say that very few members from this squad will make a showing for the World Cup, as Mexico embarrassed Paraguay 6-0 today, less than a week after the US feel to the same Paraguay team 3-1.

Not too mention less than two weeks after the US full team beat Mexico's full team to win the Gold Cup.

I find it hilarious how you guys come on after the US U20 beats Brazil and claim over and over again how Brazil doesn't have their top players. And at the same time, you guys rail the American team for how they did in the Copa America...hypocritical much?

And for the record...Adu IS overrated. He has done shit in the MLS since joining.

[Farout]

no way is he overrated. yeah he's not doin shit in MLS because the MLS isn't anywhere near the competition (that i believe) adu is ready to learn from.

i just wish i could have taped this game and put it on youtube, you'd know what i mean; he played way better in this game than what people would think.

[AsHopeDies]

yeah, he had a great game and his little flick play was amazing. But one game doesn't make up for the hype that has surrounded this kid and the poor showings he puts in day-in and day-out in the MLS...since arrival. I'm not saying he's a bad player, I'm saying he's overrated, there's a difference. Personally, I'm glad he's paying his dues in the MLS and hopefully he's learning a lot and growing as a player. Hopefully he'll meet his potential soon and stand out as a class players...but he's just not doing that with any kind of consistency right now.

[James Bond 007]

AsHopeDies, I know I can always count on your un-biased, educated opinions on things footie state-side.....

...Whats the deal with Freddy Adu, I have heard time and time again (from Americans) about how great he is but have yet to see him play. I have seen vids of him on Youtube that make him look like the next Maradona or George Best but then again Youtube always pick out the best bits, and not meaning to sound like a patronising wanker, the only vids I have seen of him have been against other American club teams and dare I say it, anyone who can kick a ball in a straight line would look good against some of the dross in the MLS.

I know you know Im not deliberatley trying to sound like a prick but how good can Adu be if he was at Manchester United recently for a trial and they werent interested in him but then go out and spend nearly 20 million pounds ($40,000,000) on a player like Carrick who isnt anything special.

In your opinion does Adu have what it takes to become a quality player in England, Spain or Italy given an opportunity and would he be able to get in to one of the top teams from those leagues (Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U, Milan, Juventus, Internazionale, Madrid, Barca', Valencia)?

[Henkie]

I've seen him play at the previous u-20 world cup (which was in Holland) and there he didn't perform. Either he's nothing special or he played a really bad tournament. That was basically the end of the Adu-craze in Holland (PSV had supposedly been pretty close to signing him).

[piggyman18]

And for the record...Adu IS overrated. He has done shit in the MLS since joining.

I agree, he has done shit in the MLS, and has received the appropriate credit for doing so. Hence, underrated, as he is unbelievably skilled.

[AsHopeDies]

AsHopeDies, I know I can always count on your un-biased, educated opinions on things footie state-side.....

...Whats the deal with Freddy Adu, I have heard time and time again (from Americans) about how great he is but have yet to see him play. I have seen vids of him on Youtube that make him look like the next Maradona or George Best but then again Youtube always pick out the best bits, and not meaning to sound like a patronising wanker, the only vids I have seen of him have been against other American club teams and dare I say it, anyone who can kick a ball in a straight line would look good against some of the dross in the MLS.

Adu hasn't done shit in the MLS, which can't be doing too much for his image worldwide. I think you are downplaying the skill in the MLS but I do see your point. His inability to shine in the MLS leads me to believe he's not all that he was cracked up to be. Then again he's only like 18 now and I'll get to that in a bit...

I know you know Im not deliberatley trying to sound like a prick but how good can Adu be if he was at Manchester United recently for a trial and they werent interested in him but then go out and spend nearly 20 million pounds ($40,000,000) on a player like Carrick who isnt anything special.

The only answer I can come up with is that Adu is an 18 year old yank. Not the best resume you can have when having a trial with ManU. I'd almost be inclined to compare Adu to Theo Walcott. Young, fast, with a touch of class and skill but is that going to pan out and have him become an elite player? I guess only time will tell

In your opinion does Adu have what it takes to become a quality player in England, Spain or Italy given an opportunity and would he be able to get in to one of the top teams from those leagues (Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U, Milan, Juventus, Internazionale, Madrid, Barca', Valencia)?

I do, but I think he's rotting in the MLS. Instead of signing with the MLS at 14 he should have gone to Europe and trained with some bigger teams. If he would have been training with quality European teams for 4 years instead of playing in the MLS, I think we would be seeing a different Freddy Adu in this U20 WC. That being said, he is shinning in the WC so he's obviously improving. At what rate is the arguable point there.

The way I see it is this, he got hyped out of the world when he was 14. "Next big thing", "US Soccer Saviour", etc etc. Sucks for a 14 year old to try to shoulder all that hype regardless of where he is. Call me selfish but what I want is to see him stay in the MLS, see the quality in the MLS rise, and have him be one of the leaders of that quality. I want him to not only make the National Team but perform well in internationals and replace Beasley as a competent striker to go along with Donovan or Dempsey, whoever they choose to play up top. If that's not the case and never gonna happen, the he needs to get to Europe NOW. He's just not improving fast enough.

I agree, he has done shit in the MLS, and has received the appropriate credit for doing so. Hence, underrated, as he is unbelievably skilled.

He got hyped like the next Pele man, you can't live that down in 4 years. 'Underrated'...is that a joke? Name another MLS player who has scored 12 goals in over 80 games and is getting trails with ManU. Name another US player who has 1 National Team appearance as a sub who has gotten the press and hype as Adu. I keep saying he's a good player, may become a great player very soon. But he's overrated, it's that simple. He keeps playing like he is in the U20 and he won't be overrated for much longer, but come on dude, it's easy to see he's been overrated to this point.

[varybarry]

I agree he is highly skilled, but until he proves himself he is completely overrated.

[Thomson]

The only answer I can come up with is that Adu is an 18 year old yank. Not the best resume you can have when having a trial with ManU. I'd almost be inclined to compare Adu to Theo Walcott. Young, fast, with a touch of class and skill but is that going to pan out and have him become an elite player? I guess only time will tell

been an American would actually be a bonus for Man u and other Prem clubs. it gives them more of a market to sell shirts and live games to America (which is a goldmine by the way).

big clubs are touring America to try and bolster interest and business over there. so why they didn't sign him i don't know.

[AsHopeDies]

While I agree that a great American talent would do wonders for a Prem club, ManU doesn't necessarily have room for a guy who's not gonna produce. If they wanted to throw some money around, they should go for Donovan or could have gone after Dempsey. Could you imagine Dempsey and C. Ronaldo on the wings? lol, that would be crazy. The field would be littered with defenders with broken ankles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OEuR4ZDBaM

[Thomson]

While I agree that a great American talent would do wonders for a Prem club, ManU doesn't necessarily have room for a guy who's not gonna produce. If they wanted to throw some money around, they should go for Donovan or could have gone after Dempsey. Could you imagine Dempsey and C. Ronaldo on the wings? lol, that would be crazy. The field would be littered with defenders with broken ankles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OEuR4ZDBaM

you mean Clint Dempsey? who plays for Fulham?

he's good, but not "leaving defenders littered around the field" good.

[AsHopeDies]

yeah, that's the one. And I've seen him do it enough times to know you are mistaken. His dribbling skills are "leaving defenders littered around the field" good. If he gets more time with Fulham this year, I'm really interested to see how well he can do. Interesting how I post a link to a video and you still need to ask me who I'm referring to ;)

Regardless, he or Donovan would be the yank player to pick up if you wanted to grab a hold of the American market...not Adu, not now at least.

[FinnJL]

Its nice that you feel pride in your american players, but Clint Dempsey isnt anywhere near the standard required for teams like ManU. Might be good enough for Fulham, but thats it.

And im from Finland, and we dont have any good prospects atm, so that you dont think im a arrogant englishman......

[Farout]

again i'm not saying adu's underrated by his mls career, his international outings or even his statistics. he may have had a rocky start, i get it.

what i am saying is what i saw in the game vs brazil is adu showing the world that he's been improving, and that 'those crazy americans that hyped him up so much' aren't as stupid as you think. its undeniable to say that he played great and he and the rest of the americans have my full support.

and it'd be a damn shame if he went european, being that (as of right now) the mls isn't showing up what they should be, and this u20 game looked way better than what i've grown to expect from the us.

oh and we did tie the defending world champions 1-1 even with a cracked out ref that had us a man down virtually the entire game.

i just think it'll be funny when one of these days the americans come out to play (not intimidated like in 06) and make it much farther than these people expect us to. i'll be crackin that cristal poppin my suicide doors like us bigheaded americans do best.

and if not, who cares. thats what everyone thinks anyways haha

[AsHopeDies]

Its nice that you feel pride in your american players, but Clint Dempsey isnt anywhere near the standard required for teams like ManU. Might be good enough for Fulham, but thats it.

Oh I agree that he isn't good enough for ManU. I was simply replying directly to someone saying it would make sense for ManU to take Adu to grab ahold of the American market. I was saying it would make more sense for them to go after Dempsey or Donovan. Not only are they better players than Adu, but Dempsey is flashy on the dribble and Donovan can finish like a champ. Then I simply pointed out that it was be crazy to see Ronaldo and Dempsey on the same team, two guys who can dribble like that, would be crazy.

again i'm not saying adu's underrated by his mls career, his international outings or even his statistics. he may have had a rocky start, i get it.

what i am saying is what i saw in the game vs brazil is adu showing the world that he's been improving, and that 'those crazy americans that hyped him up so much' aren't as stupid as you think. its undeniable to say that he played great and he and the rest of the americans have my full support.

and it'd be a damn shame if he went european, being that (as of right now) the mls isn't showing up what they should be, and this u20 game looked way better than what i've grown to expect from the us.

oh and we did tie the defending world champions 1-1 even with a cracked out ref that had us a man down virtually the entire game.

i just think it'll be funny when one of these days the americans come out to play (not intimidated like in 06) and make it much farther than these people expect us to. i'll be crackin that cristal poppin my suicide doors like us bigheaded americans do best.

It's already happening man. The WC in 02, getting to the round of 8, beating Columbia, Portugal, and Mexico along the way, that's exciting stuff. I think Arenas had a lot to do with the poor showing in 06. Bradley seems to be a much harder coach. With more and more players going to Europe and the U20 team looking so good, I'm optimistic about the future of US soccer.