Crosby beat Jeter in fan voting on "Who's Now"

[Shymega]

I find it funny how the "Panel Experts" predicted a landslide, when in fact, their 3 votes counted as 30% of Jeter's total. If not counted, he would have lost to a 19 year old hockey player. With 170,000+ fan votes, Crosby had over 90,000 of them. This is Jeter we're talking about, the captain on the most popular sports team in the nation.

And hockey fans don't exist, right?

Funny thing is, ESPN keeps saying it was a landslide. This goes to show you the brainwashing mechanism that is used on it's viewers day in and day out.

[splinter]

ummm....there are no american hockey fans. And Jeter won the voting 64-36 percent idiot.

Jeter is the best shorstop in the MLB right now.

[YankeesSuck]

I voted for Crosby but Jeter won lol. What channel are you watching??

How did Brady get matchup up with Ortiz, who am I gonna vote for haha?

[splinter]

i went to the ESPN website and they had all the results on the whos now poll.

[AsHopeDies]

Jeter is the best shorstop in the MLB right now.

wow....just.....





wow

[Shymega]

ummm....there are no american hockey fans. And Jeter won the voting 64-36 percent idiot.

Jeter is the best shorstop in the MLB right now.

30 percent of Jeter's votes were the Panels votes(Johnson, Wilbon and Herbstreit, all who voted Jeter). Did you not read what i just wrote?

Take 30 percent away from Jeter.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whosnow
Read the first paragraph.

[YankeesSuck]

Thats stupid though, it should be all up to the fans. Or atleast make the percentage of their votes less. 10% maybe.

[bsquared977]

i agree i was pretty pissed of when i saw that. of course the judges are going to pick their golden boy over a hockey player.

is jeter even the best shortstop on his team?? its debatable.

[atreyu_2020]

Sidney Crosby is only 19 years old and is the best player in hockey, endorsements up the ass, MVP of the league last season, the face of the NHL.

Jeter may be one of the best shortstops, but he has nothing on Crosby as far as "Who's Now". Fuck that poll.

[splinter]

No normal american knows who Crosby is, AMERICANS dont like hockey. The only reason people hate against Jeter is because hes a yankee. HE IS THE BEST SS IN THE MLB. Tell me whose better?

[DontBottaMe13]

^^ ur right if he wasnt on the yankees there wouldnt be an argument...

[Shymega]

No normal american knows who Crosby is, AMERICANS dont like hockey. The only reason people hate against Jeter is because hes a yankee. HE IS THE BEST SS IN THE MLB. Tell me whose better?

If you're talking about defense, Tejada is better than him. Tejada is probably even a better all-around hitter.

This year, Orlando Cabrera is the best shortstop.

[bsquared977]

No normal american knows who Crosby is, AMERICANS dont like hockey. The only reason people hate against Jeter is because hes a yankee. HE IS THE BEST SS IN THE MLB. Tell me whose better?

A-rod?

10 a-rods

[Masterbasser412]

No normal american knows who Crosby is, AMERICANS dont like hockey. The only reason people hate against Jeter is because hes a yankee. HE IS THE BEST SS IN THE MLB. Tell me whose better?

Lol.

Anyway, I thought it was funny that the ESPN panel was saying how much more "now" Jeter is than Crosby, when Jeter hasn't won shit in years, and Crosby just won 3 awards.

[bsquared977]

Lol.

Anyway, I thought it was funny that the ESPN panel was saying how much more "now" Jeter is than Crosby, when Jeter hasn't won shit in years, and Crosby just won 3 awards.

Yeah dude, Crosbys carrying a sport on his shoulders right now. Jeter is just another good baseball player.

[splinter]

whos now isnt talking about whose the best in there sport, its who is most reconizable. Crosby may be carrying hockey but hockey is still struggling.

Jeter has been consistent for years now. If you ask any regular person they are gonna remember Jeter years from now.

And talkin about awards, Jeter has 4 world series rings, multiple gold gloves and hes been in MVP talks for years. And hes been named the most marketable person in the MLB. How many video game covers has Crosby had?

and in your saying miguel tejada is a better shortstop, Jeter is easily better at batting and fielding just look at the stats

[bsquared977]

whos now isnt talking about whose the best in there sport, its who is most reconizable. Crosby may be carrying hockey but hockey is still struggling.

Jeter has been consistent for years now. If you ask any regular person they are gonna remember Jeter years from now.

And talkin about awards, Jeter has 4 world series rings, multiple gold gloves and hes been in MVP talks for years. And hes been named the most marketable person in the MLB. How many video game covers has Crosby had?


The majority of sports fans disagree with you.

[splinter]

The majority of sports fans disagree with you.

Thats because theyre not Yankee fans and for some reason no matter how good a yankee player is now days any other fan diss's them.

What i wrote is completely true and everyone knows it.

[bsquared977]

Thats because theyre not Yankee fans and for some reason no matter how good a yankee player is now days any other fan diss's them.

What i wrote is completely true and everyone knows it.

how did i know that was coming. typical yankee fan...us against the world.

Crosby is a 19 year old who won all major awards the NHL could give him, saved a franchise and was the youngest athlete to ever win a major league sports scoring award... Jeter is an all-star SS that hasn't won a title since 2000. Jeter on a Yankees team not winning titles is just an all-star, not an MVP.

[splinter]

Crosby is in a sport that is struggling alot. Crosby may be "now" in a few years but Jeter is more popular and more now. whos now is judged by on field success and off field buzz. Jeter has had both while Crosby has only been good on the ice. HES NOT POPULAR

[bsquared977]

Crosby is in a sport that is struggling alot. Crosby may be "now" in a few years but Jeter is more popular and more now.

again...not according to sports fans.

[splinter]

again...not according to sports fans.

Jeter won the poll with 64 % of the voting

[bsquared977]

Jeter won the poll with 64 % of the voting

the judges, wilbon, stuart scott and keyshawn johnson accounted for 30% of that...so take 30% away from Jeter's total and there you have the fan voting totals.

[splinter]

how many world series rings for Jeter? how many championships for Crosby? whos has been good for 11 yeas? Crosby hasnt shown what he'll be like year-after-year

[bsquared977]

how many world series rings for Jeter? how many championships for Crosby? whos has been good for 11 yeas? Crosby hasnt shown what he'll be like year-after-year

If the show was called "Who is 7 years ago?" then you may have something there.

[splinter]

I see where you're coming from in defending Crosby. but Jeter is one of the most recognizable athletes in this decade. Crosby isnt a household name like Derek Jeter...yet, I give it 3 or 4 years and crosby could save hockey

[YankeesSuck]

WTF all 3 voted for Brady so he is gonna win. More fans are gonna vote for Ortiz though.

[Dwn.Wth.Vwls]

The yankees are the most hated team in baseball, you expect people to vote for their captain?

[poopchow]

If you're talking about defense, Tejada is better than him. Tejada is probably even a better all-around hitter.

This year, Orlando Cabrera is the best shortstop.


No, tejeda has regressed and the o dog isnt as good of a hitter as jeter. Not even this year. .331 to .328

[Stupified]

HE IS THE BEST SS IN THE MLB. Tell me whose better?

Lol. Hanley Ramirez. :boink:

Hardy, Reyes, Rollins, and Guillen works too.

But I'm guessing you don't watch much baseball.

[Shymega]

And another thing. If they are going to add athletes that are not so big in America, but bigger in another country(s)(Ronaldinho, Crosby, Beckham) they need to take into account the global and nation popularity where they are popular. Or else that is not really fair, just make the whole thing NFL players and rank them higher than they are supposed to be..

[bsquared977]

once again i pose the question...is jeter even the best shortstop on his own team??

[poopchow]

And another thing. If they are going to add athletes that are not so big in America, but bigger in another country(s)(Ronaldinho, Crosby, Beckham) they need to take into account the global and nation popularity where they are popular. Or else that is not really fair, just make the whole thing NFL players and rank them higher than they are supposed to be..

ok, but then rondaldinho would win in a landslide and nobody cares to see that

[PattyWackit]

who's NOW, captain of a team struggling to get over .500
or 19 year old hockey player who is already the best in the league and has a very bright future ahead of him

hmmm....

[somechick121]

Jeter is the best shorstop in the MLB right now.

Except for Cabrera, Guillen, and Reyes.

[poopchow]

Except for Cabrera, Guillen, and Reyes.

The only one of those i would rather have is reyes on my team. O dog no, and guillen is nice but hasnt had the overall consistency jeter has had.

[MusicIsDead]

the judges, wilbon, stuart scott and keyshawn johnson accounted for 30% of that...so take 30% away from Jeter's total and there you have the fan voting totals.

Dude what the fuck since when does keyshawn johnson's opinion count?

[Wu-tang]

I think everyone here is forgetting something...

No one cares about Hockey.

[Travman93]

Sidney Crosby is only 19 years old and is the best player in hockey, endorsements up the ass, MVP of the league last season, the face of the NHL.

Jeter may be one of the best shortstops, but he has nothing on Crosby as far as "Who's Now". Fuck that poll.

I couldn't agree more

[Shymega]

ok, but then rondaldinho would win in a landslide and nobody cares to see that

Not really because, most votes come from the United States. I'm talkin just about those panel guys, they need to take it into account.

[Shymega]

I think everyone here is forgetting something...

No one cares about Hockey...Except for the 90,000+ that voted Crosby in less than 24 hours.

Fixed.:rolleyes:

[Liberator13]

I think everyone here is forgetting something...

No one cares about Hockey.

You really aren't very smart, are you?

[ryan41]

Crosby is so money and he doesn't even know it.

the big key word is NOW and thats all him.

[Angus2816]

I think everyone here is forgetting something...

No one cares about Hockey.

There are millions of people in New York City alone who would disagree.

Think of it this way. Every team in the NHL has about 1 million fans (on average).

26 NHL teams in the USA = 26 million NHL fans in the USA. But for the sake of allowing for error let's call it an even 20 million... heck let's even be generous and call it 15 mil.

So 15 million hockey fans in a country with a population of 300 million. That means in the United States, 1 out of every 20 people is a hockey fan.

That's a lot who DO care about hockey.

[gatorpatric0]

You could make the argument that Jeter is one of the greatest shortstops of all time.....

/slightly off topic

[AsHopeDies]

No, tejeda has regressed and the o dog isnt as good of a hitter as jeter. Not even this year. .331 to .328

Haha, let me get this straight, he isn't as good of a hitter based on a batting average that's .003 difference? Are you fucking kidding me? How can you take yourself seriously. Please explain to me the difference, in hits in a season, between .331 and .328. Fucking hell man..

The only one of those i would rather have is reyes on my team. O dog no, and guillen is nice but hasnt had the overall consistency jeter has had.

There's a difference between saying I'd rather have someone on my team and saying they are the best shortstop in the game. Labeling them that implies a lot about their defense, and when it comes to defensive shortstops, Jeter might just be rounding out the top 5 AT BEST. If he was have said Jeter was the 'most clutch hitting shortstop in the game' he wouldn't have gotten an argument from me, but he didn't say that.

You could make the argument that Jeter is one of the greatest shortstops of all time.....

/slightly off topic

You could make the argument that John Kruk is the greatest first baseman of all time, but that doesn't make it hold water.

[gatorpatric0]

You could make the argument that John Kruk is the greatest first baseman of all time, but that doesn't make it hold water.

Well making an Argument that Jeter is the one of the greatest shortstops of all time would hold water.

[Shymega]

Well making an Argument that Jeter is the one of the greatest shortstops of all time would hold water.

Ozzie Smith would put an end to all of that.

[AsHopeDies]

Well making an Argument that Jeter is the one of the greatest shortstops of all time would hold water.

no....no it wouldn't

[poopchow]

Haha, let me get this straight, he isn't as good of a hitter based on a batting average that's .003 difference? Are you fucking kidding me? How can you take yourself seriously. Please explain to me the difference, in hits in a season, between .331 and .328. Fucking hell man..

Im just trying to show in Cabrera's stronger category, he isnt as good as Jeter. SB is difference of 2 in favor of the O dog, Jeter by 1 in runs, 2 in HR, O dog by 4 in RBI, and .4 less than jeter in OBP. Orlando beats jeter in fielding .987 to .968. Overal statistically its pretty even, but then you got the intangibles along with clutchness that Jeter has and its a pretty cut and dry discussion.

Also the O Dog is hitting 50 pts higher than his career avg this year and Jeter is hitting just 15 pts over at .333 right now, although he has hit .349 and .344 in prior years. Point is, even in the O dog's best hitting year, its still not certain that he is better than Jeter.




There's a difference between saying I'd rather have someone on my team and saying they are the best shortstop in the game. Labeling them that implies a lot about their defense, and when it comes to defensive shortstops, Jeter might just be rounding out the top 5 AT BEST. If he was have said Jeter was the 'most clutch hitting shortstop in the game' he wouldn't have gotten an argument from me, but he didn't say that.




Ok, well i didnt watch the voting of those 3 so i really cant speak for them.

[AsHopeDies]

Also the O Dog is hitting 50 pts higher than his career avg this year and Jeter is hitting just 15 pts over at .333 right now, although he has hit .349 and .344 in prior years. Point is, even in the O dog's best hitting year, its still not certain that he is better than Jeter.

you'll get no argument from me that Jeter is a better hitter then Cabrera. But when I hear "Best shortstop in the game" my mind doesn't necessarily go towards hitting.

[poopchow]

you'll get no argument from me that Jeter is a better hitter then Cabrera. But when I hear "Best shortstop in the game" my mind doesn't necessarily go towards hitting.

Thats fairly true, the first priority in a SS is to be a good defender, like Ozzie or Omar Vizquel (sp)

This is an article you may like, it more or less sums up how i feel about Jeter. Ive always like him and sometimes he is made into a mythical type player, and sometimes he deserves it. Whenever i watch him in a late game situation he seems to come through more often than not, but his balls are made out of gold according to the media which can get a little boring. I used to like him less, but because he has been hitting for a high avg last few years, ill give him a little more credit because so many times you see guys who just swing for the fences every time. Also, his defense has been overrated, but because hes got his 3 plays, the flip, the dive, and his hop skip, he seems like he is amazing. He still is good and can make amazing plays, but yea i agree that part is overrated.


http://www.dogstreetjournal.com/story/2995

[AsHopeDies]

yeah, Jeter gets shit from me because (a) I'm a sox fan and (b) I think his defensive plays are vastly overrated. The flip against the A's...dude was safe, I'm sorry, I've seen the play 9000 times, Posada's tag was high on the leg between his legs, his front foot was on the plate and the play where he dove into the stands kills me, for a baseball play...it was a simple running catch. The fact that he dove into the stands 4 steps later and cut up his face doesn't make it a harder catch. That being said, he's insanely clutch and an amazing hitter. His ability to stay late, get inside the ball, and go to the opposite field is unrivaled today and reminds me a lot of how tony qwinn hit. I think he's vastly overrated defensively and the mixture of the Yankees and ESPN have led me to dislike the guy. But I'll give credit where credit is due, he's a hell of a ballplayer, but no where near the 'best ss of all time' not even the best ss now.

very very good read by the way, thanks for the link

[PattyWackit]

Ozzie Smith or Omar Vizquel, who do you pick as the better defensive short stop? yes this is off topic.

Id say Vizquel only because I grew up with him on my team watching him do amazing things for years, even still today hes 40 or something and is making bare handed plays and making web gems. Omar is the man!

[Wu-tang]

Fixed.:rolleyes:

If so many people cared then this (http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=205399) thread wouldn't have been made.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You really aren't very smart, are you?

There are millions of people in New York City alone who would disagree.

Think of it this way. Every team in the NHL has about 1 million fans (on average).

26 NHL teams in the USA = 26 million NHL fans in the USA. But for the sake of allowing for error let's call it an even 20 million... heck let's even be generous and call it 15 mil.

So 15 million hockey fans in a country with a population of 300 million. That means in the United States, 1 out of every 20 people is a hockey fan.

That's a lot who DO care about hockey.
More people care about Baseball than Hockey. There aren't near as many Hockey fans as there are Baseball or any other Major League.

There's nothing wrong with hockey, I would actually watch it more if I could follow a team, but I don't feel like paying for an NHL tv package.

[Shymega]

If so many people cared then this (http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=205399) thread wouldn't have been made.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



More people care about Baseball than Hockey. There aren't near as many Hockey fans as there are Baseball or any other Major League.

There's nothing wrong with hockey, I would actually watch it more if I could follow a team, but I don't feel like paying for an NHL tv package.

Those are two small market teams no one cares about, and one is Canadian. Did you not read my post?

If the NBA finals drew only a 5.5 with Lebron in them, what would they have done with the Raptors vs. Warriors? I thought so. People care about b-ball in this country, but no one will watch with that matchup, same goes for hockey, which is even a smaller sport here.

[Wu-tang]

Those are two small market teams no one cares about, and one is Canadian. Did you not read my post?

If the NBA finals drew only a 5.5 with Lebron in them, what would they have done with the Raptors vs. Warriors? I thought so. People care about b-ball in this country, but no one will watch with that matchup, same goes for hockey, which is even a smaller sport here.

The finals this year sucked balls. Probably the most boring one in years. All I'm saying is even though Crosby is more "Who's now", hockey is one of the least popular sports in America.

[Shymega]

The finals this year sucked balls. Probably the most boring one in years. All I'm saying is even though Crosby is more "Who's now", hockey is one of the least popular sports in America.

I'm glad hockey is not watered down like the NFL or NBA in the states(they have become all hollywood), we are considered the most passionate and kowledgeable fans in sports, and if hockey was a popular sport, it would attract idiots like you, and we don't want you. I'm glad the NHL has dropped ESPN and went to Versus. I'm glad it's Canada's game, therefore America can never fully get a hold of it, cause if it did, it'd be ruined.

However, i'am upset that the average sports viewer(casual fan) is missing out on great games like the NHL playoffs. Not that i care for the NHL gaining more fans(i don't want that, and that is not what casual viewers are), i just want people to see what they are missing and be more entertained in a more entertaining sport.

[Wu-tang]

1I'm glad hockey is not watered down like the NFL or NBA in the states(they have become all hollywood), 2we are considered the most passionate and kowledgeable fans in sports, and if 3hockey was a popular sport, it would attract idiots like you, and we don't want you. 4I'm glad the NHL has dropped ESPN and went to Versus. 5I'm glad it's Canada's game, therefore America can never fully get a hold of it, cause if it did, it'd be ruined.

6However, i'am upset that the average sports viewer(casual fan) is missing out on great games like the NHL playoffs. Not that i care for the NHL gaining more fans(i don't want that, and that is not what casual viewers are), i just want people to see what they are missing and be more entertained in a more entertaining sport.
1. The NBA and NFL are "hollywood"? lol, explain. College Football and Basketball are still both more entertaining anyway.
2. By who? Yourself? Being a fan of a certain sport doesn't make you any smarter.
3. What's with the name calling? What have I even said that makes me an "idiot"? The fact that baseball IS more popular than hockey? I've already said that I think Hockey is a good sport, I just don't have the time to follow a team (the Devils, if any). Especially since I wouldn't get to watch all the games as I live in TX, and I don't want to buy an NHL tv package.
4. What does that have to do with anything? Everyone knows that ESPN is a shit sports channel.
5. Ok?
6. I don't really understand what you're saying. You want hockey to have more casual viewers, but you don't want them to have more fans, and then you want people to watch a more entertaining sport.

Just because Hockey is YOUR favorite sport doesn't make it better or more entertaining than others. Just because it's YOUR favorite sport doesn't mean you should debate how much better it is than everything else. And no, just because you like hockey does not make you a smarter or a better person than someone that likes the NBA.

[chengy]

Hmm time to drop my two cents.

I think being a fan of both the NHL and MLB rather then just the MLB does make me smarter because I know info you don't and it gives me an advantage.

I think the argument of who is more NOW has to go with Crosby because he is the MVP of the league and on the highlight reel for our sport. Jeter is still awesome with his bat doing whatever it takes to get on base and to score. Arod is the face and star of the Yankees no matter what you say. Arod is in the news, with his supposed debauchery etc. What's Jeter been up to? No idea.

Jeter is also called by some experts the WORST defensive shortstop. I am not going to go that far because gold gloves are a joke but most argue that Jeter's range (range statistics support this) is much smaller then most shortstops but he isn't that bad I think.

As for the NHL struggling, yes it is but it is NOT dying. It's here to stay in the USA and it's not in danger of ever folding. I may be Canadian and I may sound biased but it'll look like the popularity of hockey will only improve. Especially with the salary cap, having different teams win the Stanley Cup will give a boost in those markets and lure in long term season ticket sales and thus improve the economics. Ask Buffalo and Carolina how they're doing.

[Shymega]

1. The NBA and NFL are "hollywood"? lol, explain. College Football and Basketball are still both more entertaining anyway.
2. By who? Yourself? Being a fan of a certain sport doesn't make you any smarter.
3. What's with the name calling? What have I even said that makes me an "idiot"? The fact that baseball IS more popular than hockey? I've already said that I think Hockey is a good sport, I just don't have the time to follow a team (the Devils, if any). Especially since I wouldn't get to watch all the games as I live in TX, and I don't want to buy an NHL tv package.
4. What does that have to do with anything? Everyone knows that ESPN is a shit sports channel.
5. Ok?
6. I don't really understand what you're saying. You want hockey to have more casual viewers, but you don't want them to have more fans, and then you want people to watch a more entertaining sport.

Just because Hockey is YOUR favorite sport doesn't make it better or more entertaining than others. Just because it's YOUR favorite sport doesn't mean you should debate how much better it is than everything else. And no, just because you like hockey does not make you a smarter or a better person than someone that likes the NBA.



NFL and NBA are hollywood because of how they showcase there athletes, almost as celebrities, with all the fancy cars, jewelry, big houses ect..Just as of 2 years ago, athletes were able to wear doo-rags on the bench and dress however they want, it is a disgusting scene and degrading to sports. Some athlete just made a remark about this same thing and how it's not right, and how these athletes need to be more professional. I think it was that Bogut guy. You just don't see that stuff in the NHL, the commish would never let it happen.

It's just a known thing that NHL fans are some of the smartest. You can Wikipedia NHL and i'm sure you can find some sort of reference in there.:)

I'm not really attacking you cause i don't like you, but because of dumb comments you make, like no one cares about the NHL.

NHL needs more casual viewers(and i don't blame just ESPN, i do blame the NHL as well for the marketing), like your 50 year old uncle, or my 81 year old grandfather. People who enjoy watching something entertaining in the sports world every now and than, but do not follow it year round like fans do. Over half of sports TV ratings are a casual crowd.

Hockey may not be the most entertaining sport to people, but there are people out there that would enjoy it more than what they are watching now, they just don't know it. That's what my point really was.

--Back on topic.

[Shymega]

I can't believe it does say something in wikipedia about it:lol:

Scroll down to popularity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hockey_League

[chengy]

I can't believe it does say something in wikipedia about it:lol:

Scroll down to popularity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hockey_League

Haha very nice! It's just because all the other bastards are too ignorant to think about hockey.

Watch out for hockey it's going to be making a come back!

Does anyone think ESPN is biased because they wasted a lot of money on the NHL? They have themselves to blame because american announcers make me want to kill myself....

[Shymega]

Haha very nice! It's just because all the other bastards are too ignorant to think about hockey.

Watch out for hockey it's going to be making a come back!

Does anyone think ESPN is biased because they wasted a lot of money on the NHL? They have themselves to blame because american announcers make me want to kill myself....

Between hockey and baseball, you can become the biggest stat whore known to man, i love it; IMO the best fantasy leagues come from these sports. Unfortunately, i can only watch about 2 innings at a time of baseball.

ESPN is definitely mad the NHL left them for Versus, it seems now that everytime the NHL is mentioned, it becomes a diss since now they are no part of them anymore, but at least they can show basketball now and shove it down the throats even more..

[bsquared977]

ESPN is a joke. ESPN is to sports, just as MTV is to music.

[splinter]

So who ya' got winning, Jeter or Reggie Bush?

[Nick is cool]

NFL and NBA are hollywood because of how they showcase there athletes, almost as celebrities, with all the fancy cars, jewelry, big houses ect..Just as of 2 years ago, athletes were able to wear doo-rags on the bench and dress however they want, it is a disgusting scene and degrading to sports. Some athlete just made a remark about this same thing and how it's not right, and how these athletes need to be more professional. I think it was that Bogut guy. You just don't see that stuff in the NHL, the commish would never let it happen.

It's just a known thing that NHL fans are some of the smartest. You can Wikipedia NHL and i'm sure you can find some sort of reference in there.:)

I'm not really attacking you cause i don't like you, but because of dumb comments you make, like no one cares about the NHL.

NHL needs more casual viewers(and i don't blame just ESPN, i do blame the NHL as well for the marketing), like your 50 year old uncle, or my 81 year old grandfather. People who enjoy watching something entertaining in the sports world every now and than, but do not follow it year round like fans do. Over half of sports TV ratings are a casual crowd.

Hockey may not be the most entertaining sport to people, but there are people out there that would enjoy it more than what they are watching now, they just don't know it. That's what my point really was.

--Back on topic.





All i got from that post is that your pissed off because the nfl and nba players arent as 'professional' as they should be. Wow.





And to the last paragraph, no one knows that for sure, i could also say all hockey fans would like the nfl more if they watched it.

[gatorpatric0]

So who ya' got winning, Jeter or Reggie Bush?

Reggie. Jeter is past his 'Now', but Reggie is just coming to the prime of his 'now' potential.

[atreyu_2020]

Jeter will probably win the goddamn thing..oh wait, I forgot about "Shaq".

Haha, for christ sake ESPN sucks.

[Marcos2990]

I find it funny how the "Panel Experts" predicted a landslide, when in fact, their 3 votes counted as 30% of Jeter's total. If not counted, he would have lost to a 19 year old hockey player. With 170,000+ fan votes, Crosby had over 90,000 of them. This is Jeter we're talking about, the captain on the most popular sports team in the nation.

And hockey fans don't exist, right?

Funny thing is, ESPN keeps saying it was a landslide. This goes to show you the brainwashing mechanism that is used on it's viewers day in and day out.

that stupid "Panel Experts" also picked Tony Parker over Roger Federer :eek:

[Wu-tang]

NFL and NBA are hollywood because of how they showcase there athletes, almost as celebrities, with all the fancy cars, jewelry, big houses ect..Just as of 2 years ago, athletes were able to wear doo-rags on the bench and dress however they want, it is a disgusting scene and degrading to sports. Some athlete just made a remark about this same thing and how it's not right, and how these athletes need to be more professional. I think it was that Bogut guy. You just don't see that stuff in the NHL, the commish would never let it happen.

It's just a known thing that NHL fans are some of the smartest. You can Wikipedia NHL and i'm sure you can find some sort of reference in there.:)

I'm not really attacking you cause i don't like you, but because of dumb comments you make, like no one cares about the NHL.

NHL needs more casual viewers(and i don't blame just ESPN, i do blame the NHL as well for the marketing), like your 50 year old uncle, or my 81 year old grandfather. People who enjoy watching something entertaining in the sports world every now and than, but do not follow it year round like fans do. Over half of sports TV ratings are a casual crowd.

Hockey may not be the most entertaining sport to people, but there are people out there that would enjoy it more than what they are watching now, they just don't know it. That's what my point really was.

--Back on topic.
1. That's not the NFL or NBA's fault for what their athletes do outside of their job. It's the athletes own decision to do what they do.
2. I saw that Wiki thing but it doesn't mean anything to me. I don't see how you could come up with that conclusion, and the source for that part only has one sentences on the matter.
3. The no one cares about hockey was just a hyperbole, exaggeration.

[atreyu_2020]

Shaq over Michael Phelps was pretty much shit as well.

[Shymega]

All i got from that post is that your pissed off because the nfl and nba players arent as 'professional' as they should be. Wow.





And to the last paragraph, no one knows that for sure, i could also say all hockey fans would like the nfl more if they watched it.


You're not pissed off as a fan because your NFL is becoming a laughing stock from all these crazy off-field issues? Doesn't that make you NOT want to sink your money and time into a league filled with trash?

Hockey fans do watch the NFL, some like it, some hate it, but it's impossible to avoid it in this country so at least everyone knows about it. My point was, there are people/fans out there that don't know about hockey that would love it, but will probably continue to not know about it because it's a low profile league. Do you think people in Tampa Bay liked hockey 20 years ago? no. Now they average over 20,000 a game, better than 102% capacity.

I like the NHL how it is and i want it to still be a low pro league. I just wish people would realize the great game, instead of always trying to bash what they don't know.

[atreyu_2020]

Haha now Derek Jeter is going to beat Reggie Bush.

I thought this show was called "Who's Now", not "Who's been around longer?"

[poopchow]

I think you have to take into account someone's career so long as it is relevant to them now. With Shaq, right "now" he is way on the downward slide of his athletic career, thats a given, but whenever you see people talk about Kobe and his problems, Shaq is often times still brought up and is very relevant in many NBA related convos.

I really think the "who's now" thing is bullshit, not how they do it, just the fact that they need a gimic to keep people watching and talking over the summer.

Now if you are wondering then whose previous years shouldnt be a factor, it would be like if Jerry Rice 3 years ago was going against someone.

Plus, when you say now, automatically NBA, NFL, and MLB players will get the nudge because those sports are now.

[atreyu_2020]

I think you have to take into account someone's career so long as it is relevant to them now. With Shaq, right "now" he is way on the downward slide of his athletic career, thats a given, but whenever you see people talk about Kobe and his problems, Shaq is often times still brought up and is very relevant in many NBA related convos.

I really think the "who's now" thing is bullshit, not how they do it, just the fact that they need a gimic to keep people watching and talking over the summer.

Now if you are wondering then whose previous years shouldnt be a factor, it would be like if Jerry Rice 3 years ago was going against someone.

Plus, when you say now, automatically NBA, NFL, and MLB players will get the nudge because those sports are now.

That and most of the idiots that vote for this have no idea who Roger Federer or Michael Phelps are. Much like you said, generally for NBA, NFL, and MLB players, which is bullshit.