Vick Indicted

[bobtheflob]

It's official.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065

[patriotwarrior7]

That can't be good. From what I've read, those guys don't indict people unless they have a REALLY good case against them.

[bobtheflob]

I've heard this is a Rico thing, theoretically he could get life in prison, he'll almost definitely get several years. Federal indictments have an absurd conviction rate.

[patriotwarrior7]

Daunte in Atlanta *rumor*..You heard here from Ebaumsworld first and only.

[Slid3r]

NFL star Michael Vick was indicted by a federal grand jury Tuesday on charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation so grisly the losers either died in the pit or sometimes were electrocuted, drowned, hanged or shot.

I'm all for the life in prison thing. but it looks like "If convicted, Vick and the others -- Purnell A. Peace, Quanis L. Phillips and Tony Taylor -- could face up to six years in prison, $350,000 in fines and restitution."



oh, and shaub is my fantasy sleeper.

[chengy]

The only time where there isn't sufficient evidence to prove someone didn't do a crime after being charged is usually when it's a rape allegation. This has to be pretty serious since the words "federal" indictment. I wonder how Vick will get out of this one...he'll have some expensive lawyers though.

Do you think he might try to get a plea agreement to avoid jail time? That would probably get him released by the falcons and possibly blacklisted by the NFL.

[AsHopeDies]

oh, and shaub is my fantasy sleeper.

uh...why is the QB for the Houston Texans your fantasy sleeper?

[atreyu_2020]

If Vick plays another down in the NFl that'll be completely fucked.

Torturing dogs. Electrocution, drowning, hanging, slamming a dog to the ground to kill it? Hope they get the same treatment in the clink. Makes me sick.

[Devastation]

So, does this mean Marcus is the good brother?

[Slid3r]

uh...why is the QB for the Houston Texans your fantasy sleeper?

i havent been keeping up with my houston texans news, shame on me

[Pete the Pirate]

And he claimed to know nothing of the operation.

[AsHopeDies]

oh, and harrington is my fantasy sleeper.

there ya go, fixed it for you

[Fag Boy]

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/4497/untitledfo4.jpg

[chengy]

So, does this mean Marcus is the good brother?

It's clear where he got his inspiration from.

[initiativechris]

should vick be kicked from the NFL or should they allow him to play?

[AsHopeDies]

should vick be kicked from the NFL or should they allow him to play?

At this point...neither. He's involved enough to warrant his current suspension but due process needs to play out before a decision on his future is made. I choose not to jump to conclusions here, at least as a result of the Duke Lacrosse case, but the current suspension is warranted I believe. If Duke would have suspended the players until any verdicts came down etc., things would have gone more smoothly than kicking them out of school and canceling the entire Lacrosse season.

[chengy]

Hmm would it be less costly for the Falcons to suspend him from the whole contract instead of just releasing and taking a huge cap hit?

[poopchow]

Hmm would it be less costly for the Falcons to suspend him from the whole contract instead of just releasing and taking a huge cap hit?


i dont think they can do that, but im not sure

[psychotic n00b]

If he gets put in prison what happens with his contract to the Falcons? do they have to take that hit or with the NFL give them a special deal?

Yes I realize that I'm focusing on the wrong issue, but thats because I believe that he is guilty and will not get off. Its a done deal.

[AsHopeDies]

There are clauses in his contract that void it for certain actions...like say...getting convicted of a felony for instance.

[chengy]

There are clauses in his contract that void it for certain actions...like say...getting convicted of a felony for instance.

Yes but the Falcons would have to take a salary cap hit a pretty heft one too.

[tallywhacker888]

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/4497/untitledfo4.jpg


hahaha

If it wasn't so expensive that would be awesome to get one. I wouldn't spend 260 tho on something I'll only where once or twice.

[Fag Boy]

hahaha

If it wasn't so expensive that would be awesome to get one. I wouldn't spend 260 tho on something I'll only where once or twice.

I think if you go to the nfl site you can buy the custom replica ones for maybe $70, well thats what they used to be. Nobody really buys the expsive ones anyways, the difference is those are basically the game jerseys, made with the legit fabric and numbers.

[FuNkYFreSH]

So, does this mean Marcus is the good brother?

I was thinking the same thing. Getting kicked outta school doesn't look too bad now.

[Fag Boy]

I was thinking the same thing. Getting kicked outta school doesn't look too bad now.

He did more then just getting kicked out of school.

[Liberator13]

So, does this mean Marcus is the good brother?

I love you. :lmao:

If Vick doesn't get jail time, I will be severely, severely pissed.

[AsHopeDies]

Yes but the Falcons would have to take a salary cap hit a pretty heft one too.

Why would the team have to take a salary cap hit if a player voids his contract?

[chengy]

Why would the team have to take a salary cap hit if a player voids his contract?

Well for NFL contracts I am sure there isn't a jail time clause in which due to his actions that a contract can be voided. As long as Vick says he wants to play for his 100 million, he has that right to...but the NFL could suspend Vick for life and the Falcons wouldn't have to pay another cent to him but if they choose to release him by rule... they will have to take a 20 million cap hit spread between two years.

[ESP83]

i live in newport news where vick grew up aka bad news. hence the name
"Bad Newz Kennels"

edit: i see it clarifies that. but bad news is a shithole. iverson used to own this complete dive of a club called infinities, but got recently shut down because there was about 3 murders there a year and the cops would have to show up there all the time

[AsHopeDies]

Well for NFL contracts I am sure there isn't a jail time clause in which due to his actions that a contract can be voided.

Why not? It would seem normal for such a clause to exist. I think it's normal business practice to have a clause that if an employee gets convicted of a felony that they void their contract.

As long as Vick says he wants to play for his 100 million, he has that right to...

Actually, that's really oversimplifying things. There are plenty of clauses in contracts, NFL included, that deal with morality and legality. Being employed has never been and will never be a "right". It's a privilege, especially being employed by the NFL. One could argue that, even if they did have to take a cap hit, the Falcons would lose more financially by keeping Vick than they would be dropping him.

[chengy]

Why not? It would seem normal for such a clause to exist. I think it's normal business practice to have a clause that if an employee gets convicted of a felony that they void their contract.



Actually, that's really oversimplifying things. There are plenty of clauses in contracts, NFL included, that deal with morality and legality. Being employed has never been and will never be a "right". It's a privilege, especially being employed by the NFL. One could argue that, even if they did have to take a cap hit, the Falcons would lose more financially by keeping Vick than they would be dropping him.

Well for the NFL they pay for skill and not for off-field issues. It's not a job requirement to behave like a good person though it should be for an NFL player. Besides to include such a clause to restrict a player from like drunk driving would have to be a massive contract...and the players would simply demand more. I do agree that it is a privilege to play in the NFL and it's a privilege Vick is the athlete he is and doesn't deserve a damn thing but even for our jobs if we signed a contract we wouldn't agree to a lot of opt out clauses.

If the Falcons could somehow get out of this deal without any more damage...they would've already. Only route is suspension in which Atlanta saves money or outright releasing.

[poopchow]

Well for the NFL they pay for skill and not for off-field issues. It's not a job requirement to behave like a good person though it should be for an NFL player. Besides to include such a clause to restrict a player from like drunk driving would have to be a massive contract...and the players would simply demand more. I do agree that it is a privilege to play in the NFL and it's a privilege Vick is the athlete he is and doesn't deserve a damn thing but even for our jobs if we signed a contract we wouldn't agree to a lot of opt out clauses.

If the Falcons could somehow get out of this deal without any more damage...they would've already. Only route is suspension in which Atlanta saves money or outright releasing.

chengy, im not sure you know exactly what you are talking about, now neither do i when it comes to these contracts, but there are plenty of things on a contract that simply go further than "here is what you are getting paid"

for instance, i know for a fact that rip hamilton has somewhere in his contract, that he can only play basketball with the pistons during offseason/season (i forget), which means no pick up games or anything.

the guy plays ball for a living, and he cant even play on his own, you would think it would be as simple as, "the player would demand more", maybe they would, but they can live with it

So if they have a clause talking about that, im sure there is something in there about illegal activity, which as of yet, he hasnt been proven guilty of.

Plus, the NFL is one of the most powerful/lucrative (sp) businesses, you dont think that any of the people they hire would think thats its a smart move to ensure that their players dont go fucking things up? the nfl has got lawyers too

[AsHopeDies]

Yeah, I agree poopchow, my next question for chengy was going to be if you knew what you were talking about specifically or if you were speculating. I'd be 100% surprised to learn that there are no clauses in their contracts for behaving like a decent person. Are you telling me that if Tom Brady got convicted of murder he wouldn't be voiding his contract?

[PattyWackit]

what a fucking piece of shit, I am holding back lots of N words in this post. all I can hope for is he goes to Jail and meets a big black dog lover and he gets his ass fucking beaten and raped. and if the piece of shit plays football again I hope the players go NFL Blitz on his ass. (late hit code enabled)

[atreyu_2020]

Now the NAACP are in on this. Lord fucking help us. I'd love to stomp his helpless corpse in the ground like he did to those dogs, OR the people who were at his home doing this shit.

[s3xyjesus]

Who gives a fuck about animals tho? Fucking animal lovers. Humans are superior to animals and its that simple. I hate Micheal Vick as an NFL player, but this shit is getting retarded. I heard he'll get to 3-4 months in prision. He broke a rule and should go to jail, yes, but so many people got their feelings hurt from this.

Those Pitbulls aren't pets, if they were let loose, they would fucking kill you. smh @ animal lovers...fucking disgusting.

[AsHopeDies]

are you being sarcastic or idiotic?

[s3xyjesus]

are you being sarcastic or idiotic?

Go let your dog stick its tongue in your mouth, sicko. Humans run the world, stop lowering yourselves to animals...this shit is getting out of control.

[Keenan]

What kind of sick fuck who has the world at his feet with a NFL career, fame and fortune gets his jollies from this shit. I hope he goes away for a long while. It's time for us to rid ourselves of this cumstain that is Michael Vick.

[camjoe87]

are you being sarcastic or idiotic?

I'll have to go with the latter.

Not everyone can be blessed with common sense.

[AsHopeDies]

Go let your dog stick its tongue in your mouth, sicko. Humans run the world, stop lowering yourselves to animals...this shit is getting out of control.

are you being sarcastic or idiotic?

[s3xyjesus]

You have a stuttering problem? Or memory loss from too much masturbation?

[AsHopeDies]

well...you've yet to answer the question dipshit. So I guess that, in and of itself is the answer.

[Keenan]

You have a stuttering problem? Or memory loss from too much masturbation?

You little Jeffrey Dohmer you.

[Slid3r]

Who gives a fuck about animals tho? Fucking animal lovers. Humans are superior to animals and its that simple. I hate Micheal Vick as an NFL player, but this shit is getting retarded. I heard he'll get to 3-4 months in prision. He broke a rule and should go to jail, yes, but so many people got their feelings hurt from this.

Those Pitbulls aren't pets, if they were let loose, they would fucking kill you. smh @ animal lovers...fucking disgusting.

Thanks for opening your mouth and removing all doubts of intelligence inside your brain.

[poopchow]

I know this is a sick way of looking at it, and i dont agree with it, but lets play devil's advocate, but if you take property rights literally...

you buy a dog, its your property

you buy a shirt, its your property

meaning, you can do whatever shit you want to that shirt, burn it, wear it, rip it up.

besides the ethical/moral issues of it, there is seems to be nothing wrong with dog fighting, until someone in washington makes a law saying you cant fight dogs or be cruel to animals, but it technically is your property and responsibility. if someone consents to your property getting in conflict with someone else's, what is the problem?

the gov has made a bunch of laws making it illegal, but fundamentally on a purely "property rights" basis, there isnt necessarily something being done that is wrong.


that being said, i think dog fighting is terrible, but that issue has been on my mind. I wouldnt be surprised if that's a point being argued.

[AsHopeDies]

Because it's a living thing, making it not your 'property'. Technically, if you adopt a child, you have to pay for it. So are you saying if I buy a kid, it's my property and I can fight it against other adopted kids and kill it if it doesn't perform to my standards? You aren't purchasing property, you are purchasing a responsibility. I think your idea of a dog being your property is completely off-base and pretty disgusting actually. Hell, it was legal to duel back in the day until the stupid government made it illegal. I mean, if two consenting adults want to walk out in the street, take ten steps and turn around a shoot at each other, there isn't really anything wrong with that right? They both know what they are getting into huh...?

Basically, in short, I think your devil's advocate stance is way off.

[poopchow]

Actually, im almost positive animals are considered your property-i read a bunch of places that people are pissed because laws couldnt go as far as animal lovers wanted because animals were considered property-, its just the fact that because animals feel pain as well, its considered unlawful to be abusive towards them.

Im just saying, and once again, i dont support animal abuse/ dog fighting, that fundamentally, your property means you can do whatever you want to it.

[Liberator13]

Yes, since I can buy a house and grow pot in there, right? Isn't it my property?

[AsHopeDies]

Actually, im almost positive animals are considered your property-i read a bunch of places that people are pissed because laws couldnt go as far as animal lovers wanted because animals were considered property-, its just the fact that because animals feel pain as well, its considered unlawful to be abusive towards them.

Im just saying, and once again, i dont support animal abuse/ dog fighting, that fundamentally, your property means you can do whatever you want to it.

Regardless of what something is considered legally, a dog and a t-shirt are too very different things. There are still laws to govern how you treat living things...regardless of whether you paid for them or not.

So, even if fundamentally, you can do whatever you want to your property, there are vast differences between dogs and t-shirts, even if they are property...obviously.

[poopchow]

Yes, since I can buy a house and grow pot in there, right? Isn't it my property?

I personally think its fine.

The point im trying to make is that its only illegal because of a law that potentially infringes on the literal meaning of owning property.

Yes dog fighting is illegal, but only because congress passed a law specifically saying dog fighting was unlawful (which is a felony), simple animal abuse isnt i believe. The actual behavior with one's property in of itself isnt though. Thats the point im trying to make.

That distinction is really the only point im trying to make.

[AsHopeDies]

Are you saying you don't think animal abuse is illegal or that it isn't a felony? Because it definitely is illegal and I'm sure there are extents of abuse that constitute felony charges.

You are taking your definition of property too literally. And your lines about "it's only illegal because there is a law against it..." are just too flawed to even discuss. Seriously, we get what you are trying to say...but it's incorrect.

[poopchow]

Are you saying you don't think animal abuse is illegal or that it isn't a felony? Because it definitely is illegal and I'm sure there are extents of abuse that constitute felony charges.

You are taking your definition of property too literally. And your lines about "it's only illegal because there is a law against it..." are just too flawed to even discuss. Seriously, we get what you are trying to say...but it's incorrect.

I do know that animal abuse is illegal, but im just showing the point that technically, that law infringes on one's property rights, because according to law, a pet is your property.

Thats really the only thing im trying to say, i dont support animal abuse, i dont think its ok to do.