England VS Germany (Aug 22) @ Wembley

[322]

England v Germany
International Friendly
8pm (London time), Wednesday 22 August 2007
Wembley Stadium


I know it's not new news, a couple months old, but i can't wait for this one. finally they meet again.

GERMANY FTW! :D



http://www.thefa.com/England/SeniorTeam/NewsAndFeatures/Postings/2007/05/EnglandGermany_Wembley.htm


This is a great wiki page on the england/germany rivalry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_and_Germany_football_rivalry

[4savo4]

England are shit.

[mathue]

watch it end in a draw

[322]

watch it end in a draw

that'd be so gay....

it's a friendly, what's so bad about a friendly way to end the game in penalty kicks?

[4savo4]

that'd be so gay....

it's a friendly, what's so bad about a friendly way to end the game in penalty kicks?

Because England would lose them.

[322]

Because England would lose them.

i like your honesty :lol:

[Regit]

watch it end in a draw


haha, so true. Just like the Portugal game in the World Cup, except then we lost in the penalty kicks. C'mon Rooney, get some nuts!

[4savo4]

i like your honesty :lol:
Meh, i don't support England.


haha, so true. Just like the Portugal game in the World Cup, except then we lost in the penalty kicks. C'mon Rooney, get some nuts!

Oh the irony!

[Solaris]

Meh, i don't support England.


May I ask why?

[Canty]

Because they're all a bunch of overpriced wankers who will never achieve anything for years on a national level but are constantly adored for piss poor performances.

[Quiet_Riot]

May I ask why?

Cos rag fans don't 'do' patriotism.


And what Canty said. :lol:

[James Bond 007]

England wont be worth talking about until all the pre-madonnas stop believing their own hype and get stuck in and try to play as a unit.

Also we need a coach who has backbone and isnt just the FA's bitch, and dropping "Fat" Frank might help.

[4savo4]

May I ask why?

Because they're all a bunch of overpriced wankers who will never achieve anything for years on a national level but are constantly adored for piss poor performances.

Yeah that's the reason why i don't and i just don't want to support them why should i?

[Solaris]

Yeah that's the reason why i don't and i just don't want to support them why should i?

I never said you should, I was just curious why. Even though the players that represent us are useless at international level, I still support England.

[Quiet_Riot]

I never said you should, I was just curious why. Even though the players that represent us are useless at international level, I still support England.

I'm with you, I'm English, therefore I 'support' England. I want them to win, I just don't think this current team and manager are any good.
Also I hate most of the players as they play for scummy clubs.

[4savo4]

I never said you should, I was just curious why. Even though the players that represent us are useless at international level, I still support England.

I know you didn't say i should lol, i was just making a point like i really shouldn't have too just because i'm from England.

Like i could be from liverpool but support Birmingham just because say i'm from liverpool i shouldn't have to support Everton/Liverpool/Tranmere etc...

Don't forget some are not just useless at international level, Lampard for example :)

[Quiet_Riot]

Like i could be from liverpool but support Birmingham just because say i'm from liverpool i shouldn't have to support Everton/Liverpool/Tranmere etc...


ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHH:banghead:

[4savo4]

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHH:banghead:

What??????????

[322]

i wanna know where I could find out if this game is on TV over here in Canada? i wish the sport will get bigger here

[4savo4]

i wanna know where I could find out if this game is on TV over here in Canada? i wish the sport will get bigger here


Yeah you will do you get the BBC?

[322]

Yeah you will do you get the BBC?

i think all we got is BBC News (for some stupid reason)

most of the football is on Fox Sports World which is a channel you gotta pay extra for. ill check their website but it may be too early.... i'll probably just go to some pub. i guess the game would be on at 1pm here.... i'll have to convince some friends to take the day off

[elvis]

download "sopcast" or TVU player, you can often get foxsports and goltv on them

[sinner78]

Playing germany aint the same these days.
About 10 years ago they were the undisputed best and the team to beat.
Now they have fallen way back. Too many mercenaries in their team.

Should be a nice tester for us though.

[liquid jesus]

I'm with you, I'm English, therefore I 'support' England. I want them to win, I just don't think this current team and manager are any good.
Also I hate most of the players as they play for scummy clubs.

you should see the fans in america, there a joke. Every world cup 80% of american soccer fans root for any other team but the U.S. Its bullshit. During the world cup there were more americans rooting for the Italian National team then the american team. I think its kinda sad. I know team america isn;t the best team in the world, but how could you root for itaily or france over america?

[James Bond 007]

Maybe they are just picking one of the big teams bcoz they know there is a chance they will win the world cup.

I do agree supporting a team other than your own country is bordering on treason but I can see why people might be less interested in rooting for a team that to get into the second round is great and anything after a bonus.

Its the glory-hunter inside certain people.... Manchester United fans for instance, I bet 50% of the people in Old Toilet on match day are from London, alot of people only started supporting United bcoz they knew they would be successful.
Another way of looking at it is when people get into an argument over music and just say they are a Beatles fan bcoz they are considered one of the best bands of all time just so people cant say "You listen to shit music!" bcoz they can turn round and say millions of people would disagree.

[4savo4]

you should see the fans in america, there a joke. Every world cup 80% of american soccer fans root for any other team but the U.S. Its bullshit. During the world cup there were more americans rooting for the Italian National team then the american team. I think its kinda sad. I know team america isn;t the best team in the world, but how could you root for itaily or france over america?

But isn't there like Italian American's so you can let them off.



Its the glory-hunter inside certain people.... Manchester United fans for instance, I bet 50% of the people in Old Toilet on match day are from London,


People in anfield are not day trippers from Wales?

[Pfeife]

Playing germany aint the same these days.
About 10 years ago they were the undisputed best and the team to beat.
Now they have fallen way back. Too many mercenaries in their team.

Should be a nice tester for us though.

Mercenaries?

What are you talking about?

About 10 to 15% of the population living in Germany nowadays have a foreign background, that is of course reflected in the German National team.

There are 3 players in the current German NT which weren't born in Germany:

Miro Klose: emigrated to Germany from Poland when he was 8, the reason: he was part of a German minority in Poland and therefore had the right to get German citizenship.

Lukas Podolski: emigrated to Germany from Poland when he was 2 years old, same reason as for Klose.

Kevin Kuranyi: was born in Brazil, his father is a GERMAN hotelier which owns several hotels in Brazil. Kuranyi therefore had a German passport since his birth, always spoke German with his father and has been living in germany for more than 10 years.


If you call these people "mercenaries", than I can't help you :rollseyes

[Lucrius]

I'm with you, I'm English, therefore I 'support' England. I want them to win, I just don't think this current team and manager are any good.
Also I hate most of the players as they play for scummy clubs.

Which team to start with, do you support? And all of those scummy clubs happen as I am sure you know to be in the Premiership division...

Moreover, I think it is extremely unfortunate that some players, especially key ones, on both sides will be missing as it won't be a true all out match if there are key players missing from the pitch.

My bets are soundly with Germany who's squad since it was robbed by the worst team of any international team and certainly not deserving of the world cup, had to settle for third place. Germany's squad is getting better and stronger with every match and will be a contender for first place in Euro 2008.

I am sure that this conflict will be along the same scoreline if not intensity of the last firendly between the two but only this time in the favour of Germany, and not of England.

[4savo4]

I think England will lose this due to the midfield, Carrick will most likely partner Lampard, which will not work! It won't because, Lampard cannot pass infact he can't do anything except have a few shots, he will not have a work horse beside him as he normally does, Gerrard, Essien to carry him through the match. He will have michael Carrick, who relys on his passing and he needs to have a good partnership in midfield. Which Lampard won't be. They will not have a good game either of them because Lampard never does, and Carrick hasn't got a player that can link up with him.

[Quiet_Riot]

Which team to start with, do you support? And all of those scummy clubs happen as I am sure you know to be in the Premiership division...


Point being?

[322]

anyway......

it'll be interesting to see how good Germany does without Michael Ballack, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Lukas Podolski and Miroslav Klose.....

it's also hard to look forward to this game as much as i was... oh well i just hope i can see it... still don't know how... hopefully something on my TVU player will have it, or those links you guys sent, thanks again.

[Rado]

Looks like their ambition to win went quickly. McClaren's team motivation is just as shite as Sven's.

Beckham's crossing is abysmal tonight.

[322]

FTW
i only saw the last 20min, and had to watch it on some Chinese feed lol

[4savo4]

Looks like their ambition to win went quickly. McClaren's team motivation is just as shite as Sven's.

Beckham's crossing is abysmal tonight.

I think Beckham is stupid he shouldn't be playing he is injured, he is more focused on getting 100 caps than he is about his ankle.

[Quiet_Riot]

Beckham was poor.

Dyer is dire.

SWP is RIGHT SIDED ffs mclaren.

Wes Brown was asleep.

Robbo is wank.

Carrick was woeful.

Lampard was shit as always.

Owen looked OK considering.

McLaren is a joke.

[USB]

Lampard was shit as always.



lmao, even when he score's he's labled as being shit

[4savo4]

I can't belive he put on Crouch instead of Defoe when he is suspended for the qualifiers! What's the point in that?

[Quiet_Riot]

lmao, even when he score's he's labled as being shit

Micah did the hard work. ;)

[4savo4]

Micah did the hard work. ;)

You're right he was England best player in the first half, shouldn't have put him centre half when Rio went off because they lost the running down the right wing.

[Quiet_Riot]

I think for Israel, we should play.

James
Richards Terry Weo Cole
SWP Hargreaves Cole
Gerrard Lampard
Owen

OR

James
Richards Terry Weo Cole
SWP Hargreaves Cole
Gerrard
Owen Defoe

[Rado]

lmao, even when he score's he's labled as being shit

ade akinbiyi has scored.

[4savo4]

For israel: my pick

James
Richards Rio Terry Cole
Beckham Hargreaves Gerrard cole
Defoe Smith

If beckham is still injured, it's SWP.
-----------------

What ginger will play:
Robinson
Richards Terry Rio Cole
Beckham Lampard Hargreaves Gerrard Cole
Owen

[Pfeife]

The result did not reflect the game properly, England was the clearly better team and deserved at least a draw.

However, England had home advantage and were playing a German team where 11 players (Ballack, Klose, Frings, Podolski, Schweinsteiger, Jansen, Gomez etc.) were injured and couldn't play. This is a must win for a team which claims to be "world-class".

If the real German team would have played in that game, it would have ended in a massacre.

England at the moment has neither the quality in players, nor in managment to compete for any trophy.
If England-supporters accept that fact, they won't be so disappointed anymore watching the games of their team.

Oh and by the way, the atmosphere in the new Wembley was bad.
Most of the time you couldn't hear anything, and if you could hear something, it was "Deutschland Deutschland", "Sieg" or "Heimspiel Deutschland".

[4savo4]

The result did not reflect the game properly, England was the clearly better team and deserved at least a draw.



:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Solaris]

Oh. fuck off Savo, seriously. You don't support England because we're not a good team. As soon as we play badly you don't feel like supporting England. I guess that's what supporting Man Utd does to people.

[Pfeife]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

It's true. England had more chances, they were just not able to convert them against a weak German B-Team.

Oh and just in case you don't know, I am German myself and have no reason to be biased towards England in a positive way.

[4savo4]

It's true. England had more chances, they were just not able to convert them against a weak German B-Team.

Oh and just in case you don't know, I am German myself and have no reason to be biased towards England in a positive way.

England were shit and i am English.

[Pfeife]

England were shit and i am English.

But Germany was worse, that's the point.


I am not saying that the actual German NT is worse than the English one- it's the complete opposite- I'm just saying that in this game, England had much more chances than the weakened German side and just failed to score on many occasions.

[Prince_Vegeta]

The only postive we can take from this game is that it is one more result towards McClueless's demise. GO TEAM!

And on the subject of 'supporting when it suits'... what a load of muggy bollocks. As most of you know I'm a West Ham supporter.

West Ham, a team who have won bugger all in my life time and will probably have won bugger all by the time I've reached the end of my mortal coil.

Occasional displays of brillance against some of the big-boys are generally over shadowed by inconsistency, complacency and a history-long inability to defend a lead when it matters.

There were times I have been brought to tears in sheer frustration at how they could put me through such an emotional rollercoaster (relegation, play-offs, FA Cup final, the great escape, Tevezgate). And there have also been times that I feel like washing my hands of the useless bastards, but I never will...

For they may be useless bastards, but they're MY useless bastards and I'll follow them over land, sea and Leicester for I chose to be a West Ham supporter, and I wouldn't swap a moment of it for all the tin in Fergies china hutch.

Oh, and regarding the people who decided not to re-take their seats for the start of the second half...

Take your sandwiches... your wine... and your hospitality suites and shove 'em right up your fucking arse you bunch of know-nothing, corporate tools. Absolute joke that we allow these rich tossers to disrespect our national team and stadium over a few glasses of plonk. :mad:

[mince]

Scotland 1 - South Africa 0 bitches!

Kris Boyd! Kris Boyd! Kris Boyd! Kris Boyd!

[Solaris]

Oh.. do South Africa have a team?

[322]

Scotland 1 - South Africa 0 bitches!

Kris Boyd! Kris Boyd! Kris Boyd! Kris Boyd!

oh yeah well..... canada tied iceland.....





deutschland!

:D

[mynetwork]

But Germany was worse, that's the point.


I am not saying that the actual German NT is worse than the English one- it's the complete opposite- I'm just saying that in this game, England had much more chances than the weakened German side and just failed to score on many occasions.

Indeed! I feel kinda ashamed 'cause I was not quite certain that Germany could win the match with this team. :redface:

But hey, :) :) :) :) :bigwink: :bigwink: :bigwink:

[Canty]

If Lampard scored 3 against a strong Brazil side he would still be labeled as being rubbish compared to the martyr that is Steven Gerrard for reasons that are beyond me. The English always need a scapegoat to explain why our team is so poor, a few months back it was Hargreaves but now noone can suck his cock hard enough and now the country has moved on to saying how woeful Lampard is.

What the fuck has Gerrard ever done for England? This is what annoys me as whenever he's played I've not noticed him doing any worthy of being guaranteed a starting place yet everyone goes on about how fantastic he is.

In my opinion Lampard was 3rd best on the field tonight behind Joe Cole and Micah Richards yet undoubtedly he will still be labelled as once again doing nothing for the team. I don't particularly think Lampard is a fantastic player but continual unnecessary criticism just gets to me.

I know, lets say how shit Rooney is for the next 6 months, we can have both Rank and Rubbish Rooney as our nicknames, someone else can choose the next scapegoat to explain why we have such a shite team. :banghead:

/rant

[322]

someone else can choose the next scapegoat to explain why we have such a shite team. :banghead:


i'll choose the team because it's a team sport :bigwink:



can't wait for the euro cup, what do you england supporters think england should do before next years big event? england is reminding me of Team Canada's (hockey) roster from the last olympics. The roster consists of all the highest paid players and not those who deserve it.

[Leesin]

England needs better management/coaching, proper english football. Plus our top league, The Premier League, all the clubs in it are buying mostly foreign players, because they cost alot less than the players here, so we're losing alot of our own english talent, because its not being brought through our main league and theyre not developing well enough, everyone is too league biased and our national team is paying the price for all the foreigners bought by the english clubs.

[Pete the Pirate]

If Lampard scored 3 against a strong Brazil side he would still be labeled as being rubbish compared to the martyr that is Steven Gerrard for reasons that are beyond me. The English always need a scapegoat to explain why our team is so poor, a few months back it was Hargreaves but now noone can suck his cock hard enough and now the country has moved on to saying how woeful Lampard is.

What the fuck has Gerrard ever done for England? This is what annoys me as whenever he's played I've not noticed him doing any worthy of being guaranteed a starting place yet everyone goes on about how fantastic he is.

In my opinion Lampard was 3rd best on the field tonight behind Joe Cole and Micah Richards yet undoubtedly he will still be labelled as once again doing nothing for the team. I don't particularly think Lampard is a fantastic player but continual unnecessary criticism just gets to me.

I know, lets say how shit Rooney is for the next 6 months, we can have both Rank and Rubbish Rooney as our nicknames, someone else can choose the next scapegoat to explain why we have such a shite team. :banghead:

/rant
Lampard's performances for England have been woeful, it seems as if all he ever looks for is the shot, and sure he can hit them but its as if that is the only option he considers. With Gerrard you have a dynamic player who can hit shots, tackle, pass and a player who considers all options.

[322]

England needs better management/coaching, proper english football. Plus our top league, The Premier League, all the clubs in it are buying mostly foreign players, because they cost alot less than the players here, so we're losing alot of our own english talent, because its not being brought through our main league and theyre not developing well enough, everyone is too league biased and our national team is paying the price for all the foreigners bought by the english clubs.

"dey took er jerbs!!!"
- David Beckham

[cormega]

Kinda shocked I thought England would win or tie at least. Personally I think the England NT is always over hyped is it not? Canada 1 Iceland 1 not a bad result for Canada since this was our c- to a b team. We were missing three of our strikers. Cant wait for 2010 when I can see my nation Canada in the world cup, the whole country will go nuts if we were to qualify. Footy is Canada's fastest growing sport we have more people playing it than hockey. As a matter a fact theres close to a million people playing it here. In due time well take over you euro scum in it. MUAH MUAH jks.

England how the hopes are always set so high but the results are so poor. Maybe the media shouldnt be acting like youre a team sent from heaven every time a event comes around. The poor people think every time they have a chance!

[Burningnun]

I only caught the last 30 minutes or so. I was suprised when Lampard played a perfect through ball to Beckham in the 66th minute, but less so in the 67th minute when he passed to some air behind Joe Cole and effectively gave away a free kick. He missed a sitter in the 72nd minute but that's par for the course. I'm in a good mood, so for once I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure he tries his hardest, and it's not his fault that neither of the last two Englan managers have actually noticed that he is not really very good at football. McClueless is a good one, I’ll use that.

For the part of the game I watched, England was the better team and deserved more. Dyer should have scored to make Lampard’s best (only?) pass of his career count. Crouch looked alright aswell, but he didn't get much of a chance.

Beckham in his 30s played 90 minutes and plans to play tonight I think. Good luck, and I mean that sincerely because he seems to be one of the most committed footballers around.

edit
a few months back it was Hargreaves but now noone can suck his cock hard enough and now the country has moved on to saying how woeful Lampard is.

I'll absolve myself from that. I've been saying Lampard is shit for a long time now.

[James Bond 007]

So we lost, big deal.... I love England but since MacClaren was put in charge I only have a passing interest, I didnt even bother watching the game last night.
MacClaren is a clueless wanker who isnt fit to take charge of ANY team let alone the national side.

Italy got battered 4-1 by Hungary last night, does that mean their euro 2008 chances should be rubbished?

Anyone who thinks England's result in a friendly where players will be reluctant to give 100% bcoz of strict instructions by their club teams not to go getting injured has any reflection on how they will do at the euros next year is smoking crack.

Its always shit to loose to Germany but having a friendly at the start of a new season is ridiculous.
Im not worried bcoz we lost a friendly. As someone already said, England were probably the better side (slightly).

To be honest Im happy for England to loose more games bcoz maybe that wanker MacClaren will get the boot and we can bring in a good coach who actually knows what hes doing.

That England side is filled with quality all we lack is someone who can get the best out of them, even Jens Lehmann said he doesnt understand why that England team isnt winning things bcoz with the players we have we should be.

[USB]

ade akinbiyi has scored.

oh right, thanks

[4savo4]

If Lampard scored 3 against a strong Brazil side he would still be labeled as being rubbish compared to the martyr that is Steven Gerrard for reasons that are beyond me. The English always need a scapegoat to explain why our team is so poor, a few months back it was Hargreaves but now noone can suck his cock hard enough and now the country has moved on to saying how woeful Lampard is.

What the fuck has Gerrard ever done for England? This is what annoys me as whenever he's played I've not noticed him doing any worthy of being guaranteed a starting place yet everyone goes on about how fantastic he is.

In my opinion Lampard was 3rd best on the field tonight behind Joe Cole and Micah Richards yet undoubtedly he will still be labelled as once again doing nothing for the team. I don't particularly think Lampard is a fantastic player but continual unnecessary criticism just gets to me.

I know, lets say how shit Rooney is for the next 6 months, we can have both Rank and Rubbish Rooney as our nicknames, someone else can choose the next scapegoat to explain why we have such a shite team. :banghead:

/rant

No he is not a scapegoat he is just a shit overrated player. We are not on his back because of England we are on it because he is a shit player that only has a good game agaisn't shit teams, he can't pass he can't head he hasn't got a football brain all he can do is shoot he is a greedy bastard who thinks he is only one on the team, he is not a scapegoat i thought this of him before the world cup and you will find other people did aswell.

We don't have scapegoats we all know England has good players but they are a SHIT TEAM.

[Quiet_Riot]

I'll absolve myself from that. I've been saying Lampard is shit for a long time now.

He is. He scores a lot because he shoots on sight. He has plenty of time on the ball for chelsea because of those around him. For England he is shown to be the player he really is..a poor one.

And he's fat.

[Canty]

But even though Gerrard does all his passing and movement etc England will still perform badly so I don't see why one player as usual gets all the stick when the team should be lambasted as a whole.

I hope England fail to qualify for the next 2 tournaments so the bottom falls out of this stupid business, who can justify people like John Hartson being on £1 million a year? It's ludricous and the sooner it comes to an end the better.

Players from the Championship should get more of a look in, it would mean a hell of a lot more to them then the insanely overpaid wankers in the Premiership

[4savo4]

But even though Gerrard does all his passing and movement etc England will still perform badly so I don't see why one player as usual gets all the stick when the team should be lambasted as a whole.


We are not blaming him for Englands performances!!!!!!!

We are saying he shouldn't be in the England side at all!

[Canty]

Well the only people that should be allowed in the team then are Terry (as he's captain), Joe Cole, Beckham, Richards and Owen/Rooney as the rest are just shite.

[4savo4]

Well the only people that should be allowed in the team then are Terry (as he's captain), Joe Cole, Beckham, Richards and Owen/Rooney as the rest are just shite.

Take Rooney out we don't want any united players playing for England.

[Pfeife]

So we lost, big deal.... I love England but since MacClaren was put in charge I only have a passing interest, I didnt even bother watching the game last night.
MacClaren is a clueless wanker who isnt fit to take charge of ANY team let alone the national side.

I keep hearing that again and again by English fans.
The names of the coaches to blame change - Keegan, Eriksson, MCClaren- but it's of course always the coaches fault that the "world class" English team has been disappointing the past 40 years.
It's getting ridiculous actually.

Italy got battered 4-1 by Hungary last night, does that mean their euro 2008 chances should be rubbished?

Italy, unlike England, is currently in a position in their qualification table which would allow them to qualify for the Euro 2008.

Anyone who thinks England's result in a friendly where players will be reluctant to give 100% bcoz of strict instructions by their club teams not to go getting injured has any reflection on how they will do at the euros next year is smoking crack.

Thank God England only played shit in this meaningless friendly and not in their past qualification games against Macedonia, Israel and Croatia.

Im not worried bcoz we lost a friendly. As someone already said, England were probably the better side (slightly).

Germany was missing 11 (written out: ELEVEN) players, including the top goalscorer of the last WC Miroslav Klose.

Germany's ideal formation when every player is fit looks like this:


-----------Lehmann------------
----Mertesacker---Metzelder----
Lahm---------------------Jansen
------------Frings---------------
--Schneider----------Schweinsteiger
-------------Ballack---------------
--------Klose------Gomez/Podolski/Kuranyi (depends who of these 3 is in good shape)

Germany's team from yesterday looked like this:

-----------Lehmann--------------
----Mertesacker-----Metzelder----
Friedrich------------------Pander---
---------------Lahm---------------
--------Schneider----Trochowski-----
Odonkor------------------Hitzlsperger
---------------Kuranyi---------------


Germany's midfield was completly insecure and nervous during the whole game due to the many new players in the team, and still despite their home advantage the English team once again failed to produce a good result even against this b-team.


To be honest Im happy for England to loose more games bcoz maybe that wanker MacClaren will get the boot and we can bring in a good coach who actually knows what hes doing.

I doubt there are many coaches in the world which could lead this English team in this environment to any bigger successes.


That England side is filled with quality all we lack is someone who can get the best out of them, even Jens Lehmann said he doesnt understand why that England team isnt winning things bcoz with the players we have we should be.

Yes, names like Gary Neville, Paul Robinson, Beckham, Crouch and "I score every fourth game as a striker but still get called worldclass by the English press" Rooney strike fear in the hearts of every opponent.

[4savo4]

Yes, names like Gary Neville, Paul Robinson, Beckham, Crouch and "I score every fourth game as a striker but still get called worldclass by the English press" Rooney strike fear in the hearts of every opponent.

I agree with everything you said except for this.

Beckham was world class he can still do a job, Gary neville one of if not best right backs in the world so Fuck off there lol and Crouch even though he looks funny he still scores goals, Rooney is not a Owen!! His game is not fox in the box he plays off the front man and that's funny because didn't Rooney end up with 23 goals last year?

[Quiet_Riot]

Gary neville one of if not best right backs in the world


He won't play for England again, unless Rio is injured.

[4savo4]

He won't play for England again, unless Rio is injured.

I hope he see's the light and retires from International Football.

[Burningnun]

I didn't see Rio at all until I got the morning paper and he was on the back page with his back turned to the ball. Christ, out of 60m individuals in this country our best 11 footballers contain a clown that makes a mistake I don't often see 11 year olds make.

[James Bond 007]

Pfeife Im not trying to take anything away from Germany's win, it was a great result for as you put it the b-team, all Im saying is Im not bothered about loosing a game where players (on both sides) might only be giving 80% bcoz they will have an eye on an important game at the weekend for their club side.

Oh and listing 3 or 4 shit players from the England side and saying something sarcastic like oh yeah they are world class just makes you look like a dick.

Oh and Beckham is probably still the best passer/crosser and one of the best free kick takers in the world.

Gerrard, Lampard, Joe Cole, Rooney, Owen, Terry and Ferdinand are ALL quality players who would get into most sides in the world.

And if you read my posts in the past properly I have NEVER blamed Sven for Englands dreadfull world cup, he is a top coach who only lost something like 3 competative games in over 5 years and 2 of them were against France and Brazil (Both close games with us loosing 2-1).
I blamed big name players not turning up for the world cup and playing as if all they had to do was turn up.

The simple fact of the matter is MaClaren shouldnt have been given the England managers role bcoz he has always just been an assistant to other coaches (Fergie and Sven), he was at Middlesbrough for a bit but who the fuck are they.
The ONLY reason MacClaren was put in charge is bcoz he wont rock the boat, hes a yes-man, he will basicaly just be the FA's bitch unlike Allardyce (who most people thought was the favorite to get the job) who is opinionated and would drop players like Lampard or Gerrard if they didnt play well.

[PMUN NY]

Beckham played last night for LA, got kicked in the stomach which started a fight! Shows how low the MLS standard is.