Barry Bonds Finally hits number 755

[Icky Thump]

In the second inning of tonights game against the Padres Barry finally hit number 755*. Cheating son of a bitch.

[YankeesSuck]

Inject yourself with more roids after the game.

[kingofallmedia]

good job B

[Nick is cool]

now on to actually breaking the record, nice job son

[_Joe]

He's leading off this next inning. I'm gonna watch I guess. He'll never be comparable to Hank, no matter how many HR's he hits. He could hit 800 and still would not be the same caliber of player


EDIT: he just got walked, not "intentionally" though. Hensley won't give him a pitch

[Icky Thump]

I really doubt that even if Hensley had pitched to him that he would have hit back to back homers, especially after the home run slump hes been in lately.

[_Joe]

I really doubt that even if Hensley had pitched to him that he would have hit back to back homers, especially after the home run slump hes been in lately.

He does, however, have more multi-home run games than Babe Ruth. And one could argue that perhaps he's due.

[Zooch]

bamf31812 (10:39:13 PM): see barry bonds?
Xroc88 (10:42:55 PM): whats that?
bamf31812 (10:43:08 PM): lmao
bamf31812 (10:43:15 PM): you dont know who barry bonds is?
Xroc88 (10:43:23 PM): No, is he a black supremascist?
bamf31812 (10:43:34 PM): no
bamf31812 (10:43:41 PM): do you really not know who he is?
bamf31812 (10:43:49 PM): because if you dont ill probably have to block you
bamf31812 (10:43:53 PM): and erase you from my life
Xroc88 (10:44:00 PM): I can wiki it
bamf31812 (10:44:10 PM): jesus christ
bamf31812 (10:44:16 PM): i guess you dont watch sports?
Xroc88 (10:44:27 PM): Baseball player
Xroc88 (10:44:34 PM): and no i dont
bamf31812 (10:44:48 PM): holy fuck man
bamf31812 (10:45:05 PM): do you not have a tv?
Xroc88 (10:45:03 PM): I spenmd most of my life on the internet

[SprungScorp]

just got back from the game, awesome stuff. here's the vid i was able to get:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cUOkd7VR_A

forgive me, i was a little / very drunk. the fridge full of beer got to me.

[Mr. Heskey]

Bonds is an asshole and a cheater. He does not deserve any awards or recognition for what he's done. His godfather was 100x the player he was.

[s3xyjesus]

^ Racist angry hick.


First of all, Barry Bonds was on his way to the Hall of Fame before he bulked up. He was a complete and elite outfielder who did everything.

Why did the people get all hyped up for the Sosa/McGuire thing(which I enjoyed a lot), but not for Bond's breaking the all time record? Come on, all these guys did steroids, but seriously...fucking people overrate steroids. Any guy off the street who does steroids isn't going to hit 60 homeruns in a season or 755 homeruns in his career. It takes more than steroids to be a good slugger. Yes, it does help; but it also damages your body and tears you down. Bonds is a well conditioned athlete anyway at 42, props to him.


I use to be a Bonds hater, now I realized people are blowing this shit out of the water. Stop hating and pay respect to a great HOF baseball player. He's not a bad dude, how is he an asshole? He's never done shit like Ron Artest or Micheal Vick or Pacman Jones. He's a family guy who's loved by his teammates and the city he plays for.

I'm a Yankees fan, and I was ignorant and envious like you guys are now. I've moved on from that immaturity and you guys should too.

Go Barry.

[Hoss]

^ Racist angry hick.


First of all, Barry Bonds was on his way to the Hall of Fame before he bulked up. He was a complete and elite outfielder who did everything.

Why did the people get all hyped up for the Sosa/McGuire thing(which I enjoyed a lot), but not for Bond's breaking the all time record? Come on, all these guys did steroids, but seriously...fucking people overrate steroids. Any guy off the street who does steroids isn't going to hit 60 homeruns in a season or 755 homeruns in his career. It takes more than steroids to be a good slugger. Yes, it does help; but it also damages your body and tears you down. Bonds is a well conditioned athlete anyway at 42, props to him.


I use to be a Bonds hater, now I realized people are blowing this shit out of the water. Stop hating and pay respect to a great HOF baseball player. He's not a bad dude, how is he an asshole? He's never done shit like Ron Artest or Micheal Vick or Pacman Jones. He's a family guy who's loved by his teammates and the city he plays for.

I'm a Yankees fan, and I was ignorant and envious like you guys are now. I've moved on from that immaturity and you guys should too.

Go Barry.

There's so much shit wrong with your post that I don't really know where to begin. You said it yourself, he was a HOF outfielder before he took steroids. There's no debating that, but if he was that great, he didn't need to take steroids to improve his game.

People got all excited about McGwire and Sosa because that event happened before the whole steroids debate really swung into motion. There was speculation that they had used performance enhancers, but there was no way to prove it, and even today there's no definitive way to show that they were using the juice. Back in 1998, the whole steroids issue was kept hush-hush. People didn't want to even think about the fact that McGwire was on roids because what he was doing was making people everywhere more interested in baseball. More and more people were being attracted to the game; the league wasn't going to mess with steroids because they were finding new fans everywhere during the home run chase, and the newfound interest in baseball generated more revenue.

You're right that taking steroids alone won't help you hit 756 home runs; you need an incredible amount of athleticism and talent to do that. However, I can't pay respect to Bonds because there are people before him that hit a shitload of home runs without taking performance enhancers. Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth didn't have access to them, and they managed to shatter records on pure talent alone. That's the reason that they're revered in the game. What Bonds is doing is unnatural. He didn't solely use his talent to reach 756, he had to use something else to give him that extra edge. Why should we pretend like his record is legitimate when others have done it before him without any additional help?

He hasn't done anything nearly as horrific as Mike Vick or Pacman, but he's been involved in some pretty shady stuff, and like them, he's also had the federal government on his ass about it. I sincerely doubt that his teammates are in love with him, but you're right that the city loves him, but that's about as far as the love goes. When he goes anywhere else in the country, he gets booed. The only reason the Giants kept him around for another year was because people come out to see him. The team is doing horribly this year; if Bonds wasn't on the team, the stands would be half-filled.

If anything, you're the one who's ignorant. You can't sit there and pretend the guy is a god when he had to use the juice to give himself an advantage over Hank Aaron.

[s3xyjesus]

There's so much shit wrong with your post that I don't really know where to begin. You said it yourself, he was a HOF outfielder before he took steroids. There's no debating that, but if he was that great, he didn't need to take steroids to improve his game.

People got all excited about McGwire and Sosa because that event happened before the whole steroids debate really swung into motion. There was speculation that they had used performance enhancers, but there was no way to prove it, and even today there's no definitive way to show that they were using the juice. Back in 1998, the whole steroids issue was kept hush-hush. People didn't want to even think about the fact that McGwire was on roids because what he was doing was making people everywhere more interested in baseball. More and more people were being attracted to the game; the league wasn't going to mess with steroids because they were finding new fans everywhere during the home run chase, and the newfound interest in baseball generated more revenue.

You're right that taking steroids alone won't help you hit 756 home runs; you need an incredible amount of athleticism and talent to do that. However, I can't pay respect to Bonds because there are people before him that hit a shitload of home runs without taking performance enhancers. Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth didn't have access to them, and they managed to shatter records on pure talent alone. That's the reason that they're revered in the game. What Bonds is doing is unnatural. He didn't solely use his talent to reach 756, he had to use something else to give him that extra edge. Why should we pretend like his record is legitimate when others have done it before him without any additional help?

He hasn't done anything nearly as horrific as Mike Vick or Pacman, but he's been involved in some pretty shady stuff, and like them, he's also had the federal government on his ass about it. I sincerely doubt that his teammates are in love with him, but you're right that the city loves him, but that's about as far as the love goes. When he goes anywhere else in the country, he gets booed. The only reason the Giants kept him around for another year was because people come out to see him. The team is doing horribly this year; if Bonds wasn't on the team, the stands would be half-filled.

If anything, you're the one who's ignorant. You can't sit there and pretend the guy is a god when he had to use the juice to give himself an advantage over Hank Aaron.

You don't know where to begin because you lack debating skills. If you knew what you were talking about you would of went straight the point. Instead you wanted to throw an insult in there cause you really have no points to make. You just really don't feel like agreeing with the facts. Tough break.

wtf are you talking about? No one cares about your opinion, I've layed down some facts for you; no denying them.

How fucking stupid can you be to associate Barry Bonds, Micheal Vick and Pacman Jones in the same sentences? Vick and Pacman are known for being bad boys, Bonds is the total opposite. Theres no real reason to hate Bonds, unless your envious of his talent, success or just a prejudice person.

Steroids weren't even illegal in baseball anyways so the haters should quit their bitching and fuck off.

I'm happy he'll own the record. Aside from any use of illegal substances, I think of him as kind of like the Bernard Hopkins of baseball. The dude's off season workout regimen is just grueling, and he takes very good care of himself and is still able to perform at an incredibly high level. It's admirable, regardless of what you think of his personality.

He's admited NOTHING publicly to my knowledge, all that is out there are RUMORS that he said something, nothing proven in any way shape or form

The only 'proof' we have that he took them is from a guy who took notes (Mark Fainaru-Wada) illegally leaked by a felon (Troy Ellerman) that are supposedly 'verbatim' notes. What did Bonds allegedly say? That he was given stuff by his trainer that his trainer said was flaxseed oil and some kind of anti-pain palm.

That is Barry's 'admission,' and all that we 'know' right now. And it still hasn't been shown to be accurate, or correct.

Does it occur to the Bonds haters that he was hiting off of pitchers who were on steroids, and who have more, much more, to gain by using those steroids?

The guy he hit #755 off of, Clay Hensley of the San Diego Padres, was busted for steroids in the minor leagues and had to serve a 15-game suspension.

That is, Clay Hensley failed a steroid test. That is fact, indisputable.

Barry Bonds has never failed a steroid test. Ever. That is also fact.

So hate on, haters. And remember that Bonds hit his record-tying homer tonight off of a KNOWN AND PROVEN steroid abuser.

And that's a fact.

Peace out hater, you lost.

[Hoss]

Seriously, do you read what you type before you post it?

You don't know where to begin because you lack debating skills. If you knew what you were talking about you would of went straight the point. Instead you wanted to throw an insult in there cause you really have no points to make. You just really don't feel like agreeing with the facts. Tough break.

wtf are you talking about? No one cares about your opinion, I've layed down some facts for you; no denying them.

You're right, I lack debating skills. I'm almost hesitant to respond to your message because I'm afraid that I'll make you look like an even bigger asshole than you've already shown you are. I have no points to make, yet I just made a shitload of them in my first post. You've laid down facts, but they're wrong. Who the fuck are you to tell me that nobody cares about my opinion? I find it ironic that I'm not justified in what I said, yet the majority of Americans and people who've posted in this thread agree with my stance and they're also not rooting for Bonds to break the record. How ironic indeed.

How fucking stupid can you be to associate Barry Bonds, Micheal Vick and Pacman Jones in the same sentences? Vick and Pacman are known for being bad boys, Bonds is the total opposite. Theres no real reason to hate Bonds, unless your envious of his talent, success or just a prejudice person.

Hey hey genius, you were the one who originally mentioned Barry Bonds, Michael Vick, and Pacman Jones in the same sentence. Reading comprehension can be your friend, you should try it sometime. Vick and Pacman are now known for being badboys. Just before the last season, the worst thing Vick had been known for was having herpes. Pacman was getting into trouble at clubs, but he hadn't had that many run-ins with the law. Bonds is under investigation by a federal grand jury for lying under oath about the BALCO case. Also, for the record, nowhere in my post did I say I hated Bonds. You're right, I am envious of his talent (which I acknowledged) and his success. Who wouldn't want to get paid 13 million dollars to play baseball? I also never brought up race anywhere in my post; I mentioned that Hank Aaron was the true homerun king. Don't you think that if I was truly prejudiced, I would have said that Babe Ruth was the actual all-time home run leader? You must have gotten distracted while staring at my KKK hood. Again, reading comprehension. Try it, you'll like it.

Steroids weren't even illegal in baseball anyways so the haters should quit their bitching and fuck off.

Just because they weren't illegal in baseball doesn't mean they should have been allowed. They offer an unfair advantage. But you're right, we should just shut up and let them cheat. Tool...

I'm happy he'll own the record. Aside from any use of illegal substances, I think of him as kind of like the Bernard Hopkins of baseball. The dude's off season workout regimen is just grueling, and he takes very good care of himself and is still able to perform at an incredibly high level. It's admirable, regardless of what you think of his personality.

There's no doubting that he's in good shape. Don't you honestly wonder how, at 42 years old, he's able to perform at such a high level though? It's obvious you're going to say no to this.

He's admited NOTHING publicly to my knowledge, all that is out there are RUMORS that he said something, nothing proven in any way shape or form

The only 'proof' we have that he took them is from a guy who took notes (Mark Fainaru-Wada) illegally leaked by a felon (Troy Ellerman) that are supposedly 'verbatim' notes. What did Bonds allegedly say? That he was given stuff by his trainer that his trainer said was flaxseed oil and some kind of anti-pain palm.

That is Barry's 'admission,' and all that we 'know' right now. And it still hasn't been shown to be accurate, or correct.

No shit he's admitted to nothing publicly. Why would he do that and risk jeopardizing all his accomplishments and work? Do you really think he's going to stand up and admit to steroid use right now and risk being banned from baseball? You also don't think that it's a bit suspicious that a guy who is, as you mentioned, in such top-notch shape just took creams and medicine from his trainer without questioning what it was, knowing full well that he's being monitored for steroids?

Does it occur to the Bonds haters that he was hiting off of pitchers who were on steroids, and who have more, much more, to gain by using those steroids?

The guy he hit #755 off of, Clay Hensley of the San Diego Padres, was busted for steroids in the minor leagues and had to serve a 15-game suspension.

That is, Clay Hensley failed a steroid test. That is fact, indisputable.

Barry Bonds has never failed a steroid test. Ever. That is also fact.

Does it occur to you that hundreds of batters have hit off of steroid-taking pitchers every day? You say that they have much more to gain, but explain to me how winning a Cy Young award would be considered more of an accomplishment than breaking the all-time homerun record?

So hate on, haters. And remember that Bonds hit his record-tying homer tonight off of a KNOWN AND PROVEN steroid abuser.

And that's a fact.

Peace out hater, you lost.

GG, uninstall.


Nice argument though, it was good for a little while. I'm done answering to you, even though I posted this, it's not going to change your mind. Hopefully someone else will back me up in this thread.

[cbm]

You don't know where to begin because you lack debating skills. If you knew what you were talking about you would of went straight the point. Instead you wanted to throw an insult in there cause you really have no points to make. You just really don't feel like agreeing with the facts. Tough break.

wtf are you talking about? No one cares about your opinion, I've layed down some facts for you; no denying them.

How fucking stupid can you be to associate Barry Bonds, Micheal Vick and Pacman Jones in the same sentences? Vick and Pacman are known for being bad boys, Bonds is the total opposite. Theres no real reason to hate Bonds, unless your envious of his talent, success or just a prejudice person.

Steroids weren't even illegal in baseball anyways so the haters should quit their bitching and fuck off.

I'm happy he'll own the record. Aside from any use of illegal substances, I think of him as kind of like the Bernard Hopkins of baseball. The dude's off season workout regimen is just grueling, and he takes very good care of himself and is still able to perform at an incredibly high level. It's admirable, regardless of what you think of his personality.

He's admited NOTHING publicly to my knowledge, all that is out there are RUMORS that he said something, nothing proven in any way shape or form

The only 'proof' we have that he took them is from a guy who took notes (Mark Fainaru-Wada) illegally leaked by a felon (Troy Ellerman) that are supposedly 'verbatim' notes. What did Bonds allegedly say? That he was given stuff by his trainer that his trainer said was flaxseed oil and some kind of anti-pain palm.

That is Barry's 'admission,' and all that we 'know' right now. And it still hasn't been shown to be accurate, or correct.

Does it occur to the Bonds haters that he was hiting off of pitchers who were on steroids, and who have more, much more, to gain by using those steroids?

The guy he hit #755 off of, Clay Hensley of the San Diego Padres, was busted for steroids in the minor leagues and had to serve a 15-game suspension.

That is, Clay Hensley failed a steroid test. That is fact, indisputable.

Barry Bonds has never failed a steroid test. Ever. That is also fact.

So hate on, haters. And remember that Bonds hit his record-tying homer tonight off of a KNOWN AND PROVEN steroid abuser.

And that's a fact.

Peace out hater, you lost.

i hate barry bonds. hes a cheating sack of shit

[s3xyjesus]

^ another prejudice angry redneck

Hoss, you respect my swagger, I respect that.

I mentioned how Bonds was a good guy and not a bad guy like Vick or Pacman, can't you read? Do I have to debate in you Spanish? What language do you speak man? The rest of the paragraph isn't worth my thought.

Hoss, they weren't illegal at the TIME, therefor no rules were broken; stop complaining. I'm not promoting steroids; I'm actually against it. I myself was a Bonds hater, but you need to take into considering he was always a great power hitter, hitter for average, and a great all around athlete who could steal bases or play gold glove defense and he should not be discredited for any of his accomplishments.

Hoss, do you know anything about fitness? I don't want to assume your some average guy who sits on the computer for long periods of time, eating cool ranch doritos, but I certainly feel like that. I've seen people over 50 in AMAZING shape, who could run more miles in a day than you can in a month. Bonds is one of the hardest working players in the MLB, even at 42, and you have to respect him for that. His hard work definitely payed off to an amazing career.

Hensley failed his test, and is known for taking steroids as a pitcher. Bonds didn't. So since you praise steroids(something you have no clue about unless you wikipedia or google it) so much, wouldn't Hensley have the advantage and be a Cy Young type pitcher? Hansley has a 6.18 and is a fucking bum.

1. Alex Sanchez, Tampa Bay, 10 GAMES, April 4, 2005

2. Jorge Piedra, Colorado, 10 GAMES, April 12, 2005

3. Agustin Montero, Texas, 10 GAMES, April 20, 2005

4. Jamal Strong, Seattle, 10 GAMES, April 26, 2005

5. Juan Rincon, Minnesota, 10 GAMES, May 2, 2005

6. Rafael Betancourt, Cleveland, 10 GAMES, July 8, 2005

7. Rafael Palmeiro, Baltimore, 10 GAMES, August 1, 2005

8. Ryan Franklin, Seattle, 10 GAMES, August 2, 2005

9. Mike Morse, Seattle, 10 GAMES, September 7, 2005

10. Carlos Almanzar, Texas, 10 GAMES, October 4, 2005

Félix Heredia NYM October 18, 2005 10 days P
Matt Lawton NYY November 2, 2005 10 days OF
Yusaku Iriki NYM April 28, 2006 50 games P
Jason Grimsley AZ June 12, 2006 50 games P
Guillermo Mota NYM November 1, 2006 50 games P
Juan Salas TB May 7, 2007 50 games P
Neifi Perez

^ These guys were suspending for steroids.

All you did in your reply is ask me irrelevant questions to the topic.

Alex Sanchez isn't even in the MLB, and only has 6 career homeruns. Did steroids help him? No, it ended his MLB career. Dude doesn't even have a job in the MLB.

Piedra is a minor leaguer who hasn't done nothing in the MLB.

Agustín Montero is a minor league pitcher.

Jamal Strong, another minor league scrub.

Juan Rincón, 6.21 ERA...ohhh what great baseball magic steroids has blessed Juanito with.

Ryan Franklin is a bum pitcher

Most of these guys are sub-par MLB talents and had evidence against them. Its the total opposite for Bonds.

Barry Bonds got to 755 based on his skill in hitting(eye vision, bat spend, perfect swing), athelism(strong upper body and legs from working hard in the off season), conditioning(still in great shape at 42), and overall talent (has been an elite player for almost 20 years at his position, was one of the best players in the MLB even when he was with the pirates). If you "believe" Barry Bonds got to 755 because of steroids then you're a fucking ignorant dork who doesn't know shit about athletics, baseball or conditioning. Even if he did take steroids, it itself didn't take him to 755 or help him entirely to get there. Barry Bonds could play baseball till he's 45 and probably got for 800 if he wants. He's great at conditioning his body, probably the best in baseball.

Your last paragraph is garbage and pathetic. You came in this thread with an agenda against Bonds, but with no information or logic. Now it back fired on you. You're asking people to help you? All they can do is share your hate and bias for Bonds, not much facts or proof really. Fuck my mind, you're not going to change the facts cause you have no information to back up your bias argument. Peace out.

[Mr. Heskey]

^ another prejudice angry redneck

Hoss, you respect my swagger, I respect that.

I mentioned how Bonds was a good guy and not a bad guy like Vick or Pacman, can't you read? Do I have to debate in you Spanish? What language do you speak man? The rest of the paragraph isn't worth my thought.

Hoss, they weren't illegal at the TIME, therefor no rules were broken; stop complaining. I'm not promoting steroids; I'm actually against it. I myself was a Bonds hater, but you need to take into considering he was always a great power hitter, hitter for average, and a great all around athlete who could steal bases or play gold glove defense and he should not be discredited for any of his accomplishments.

Hoss, do you know anything about fitness? I don't want to assume your some average guy who sits on the computer for long periods of time, eating cool ranch doritos, but I certainly feel like that. I've seen people over 50 in AMAZING shape, who could run more miles in a day than you can in a month. Bonds is one of the hardest working players in the MLB, even at 42, and you have to respect him for that. His hard work definitely payed off to an amazing career.

Hensley failed his test, and is known for taking steroids as a pitcher. Bonds didn't. So since you praise steroids(something you have no clue about unless you wikipedia or google it) so much, wouldn't Hensley have the advantage and be a Cy Young type pitcher? Hansley has a 6.18 and is a fucking bum.

1. Alex Sanchez, Tampa Bay, 10 GAMES, April 4, 2005

2. Jorge Piedra, Colorado, 10 GAMES, April 12, 2005

3. Agustin Montero, Texas, 10 GAMES, April 20, 2005

4. Jamal Strong, Seattle, 10 GAMES, April 26, 2005

5. Juan Rincon, Minnesota, 10 GAMES, May 2, 2005

6. Rafael Betancourt, Cleveland, 10 GAMES, July 8, 2005

7. Rafael Palmeiro, Baltimore, 10 GAMES, August 1, 2005

8. Ryan Franklin, Seattle, 10 GAMES, August 2, 2005

9. Mike Morse, Seattle, 10 GAMES, September 7, 2005

10. Carlos Almanzar, Texas, 10 GAMES, October 4, 2005

Félix Heredia NYM October 18, 2005 10 days P
Matt Lawton NYY November 2, 2005 10 days OF
Yusaku Iriki NYM April 28, 2006 50 games P
Jason Grimsley AZ June 12, 2006 50 games P
Guillermo Mota NYM November 1, 2006 50 games P
Juan Salas TB May 7, 2007 50 games P
Neifi Perez

^ These guys were suspending for steroids.

All you did in your reply is ask me irrelevant questions to the topic.

Alex Sanchez isn't even in the MLB, and only has 6 career homeruns. Did steroids help him? No, it ended his MLB career. Dude doesn't even have a job in the MLB.

Piedra is a minor leaguer who hasn't done nothing in the MLB.

Agustín Montero is a minor league pitcher.

Jamal Strong, another minor league scrub.

Juan Rincón, 6.21 ERA...ohhh what great baseball magic steroids has blessed Juanito with.

Ryan Franklin is a bum pitcher

Most of these guys are sub-par MLB talents and had evidence against them. Its the total opposite for Bonds.

Barry Bonds got to 755 based on his skill in hitting(eye vision, bat spend, perfect swing), athelism(strong upper body and legs from working hard in the off season), conditioning(still in great shape at 42), and overall talent (has been an elite player for almost 20 years at his position, was one of the best players in the MLB even when he was with the pirates). If you "believe" Barry Bonds got to 755 because of steroids then you're a fucking ignorant dork who doesn't know shit about athletics, baseball or conditioning. Even if he did take steroids, it itself didn't take him to 755 or help him entirely to get there. Barry Bonds could play baseball till he's 45 and probably got for 800 if he wants. He's great at conditioning his body, probably the best in baseball.

Your last paragraph is garbage and pathetic. You came in this thread with an agenda against Bonds, but with no information or logic. Now it back fired on you. You're asking people to help you? All they can do is share your hate and bias for Bonds, not much facts or proof really. Fuck my mind, you're not going to change the facts cause you have no information to back up your bias argument. Peace out.

What? Maybe you should take the dick out of your mouth. With your bronx accent it's kinda hard to tell...:err:

[_Joe]

^ another prejudice angry redneck

Hoss, you respect my swagger, I respect that.

I mentioned how Bonds was a good guy and not a bad guy like Vick or Pacman, can't you read? Do I have to debate in you Spanish? What language do you speak man? The rest of the paragraph isn't worth my thought.

Hoss, they weren't illegal at the TIME, therefor no rules were broken; stop complaining. I'm not promoting steroids; I'm actually against it. I myself was a Bonds hater, but you need to take into considering he was always a great power hitter, hitter for average, and a great all around athlete who could steal bases or play gold glove defense and he should not be discredited for any of his accomplishments.

Hoss, do you know anything about fitness? I don't want to assume your some average guy who sits on the computer for long periods of time, eating cool ranch doritos, but I certainly feel like that. I've seen people over 50 in AMAZING shape, who could run more miles in a day than you can in a month. Bonds is one of the hardest working players in the MLB, even at 42, and you have to respect him for that. His hard work definitely payed off to an amazing career.

Hensley failed his test, and is known for taking steroids as a pitcher. Bonds didn't. So since you praise steroids(something you have no clue about unless you wikipedia or google it) so much, wouldn't Hensley have the advantage and be a Cy Young type pitcher? Hansley has a 6.18 and is a fucking bum.

1. Alex Sanchez, Tampa Bay, 10 GAMES, April 4, 2005

2. Jorge Piedra, Colorado, 10 GAMES, April 12, 2005

3. Agustin Montero, Texas, 10 GAMES, April 20, 2005

4. Jamal Strong, Seattle, 10 GAMES, April 26, 2005

5. Juan Rincon, Minnesota, 10 GAMES, May 2, 2005

6. Rafael Betancourt, Cleveland, 10 GAMES, July 8, 2005

7. Rafael Palmeiro, Baltimore, 10 GAMES, August 1, 2005

8. Ryan Franklin, Seattle, 10 GAMES, August 2, 2005

9. Mike Morse, Seattle, 10 GAMES, September 7, 2005

10. Carlos Almanzar, Texas, 10 GAMES, October 4, 2005

Félix Heredia NYM October 18, 2005 10 days P
Matt Lawton NYY November 2, 2005 10 days OF
Yusaku Iriki NYM April 28, 2006 50 games P
Jason Grimsley AZ June 12, 2006 50 games P
Guillermo Mota NYM November 1, 2006 50 games P
Juan Salas TB May 7, 2007 50 games P
Neifi Perez

^ These guys were suspending for steroids.

All you did in your reply is ask me irrelevant questions to the topic.

Alex Sanchez isn't even in the MLB, and only has 6 career homeruns. Did steroids help him? No, it ended his MLB career. Dude doesn't even have a job in the MLB.

Piedra is a minor leaguer who hasn't done nothing in the MLB.

Agustín Montero is a minor league pitcher.

Jamal Strong, another minor league scrub.

Juan Rincón, 6.21 ERA...ohhh what great baseball magic steroids has blessed Juanito with.

Ryan Franklin is a bum pitcher

Most of these guys are sub-par MLB talents and had evidence against them. Its the total opposite for Bonds.

Barry Bonds got to 755 based on his skill in hitting(eye vision, bat spend, perfect swing), athelism(strong upper body and legs from working hard in the off season), conditioning(still in great shape at 42), and overall talent (has been an elite player for almost 20 years at his position, was one of the best players in the MLB even when he was with the pirates). If you "believe" Barry Bonds got to 755 because of steroids then you're a fucking ignorant dork who doesn't know shit about athletics, baseball or conditioning. Even if he did take steroids, it itself didn't take him to 755 or help him entirely to get there. Barry Bonds could play baseball till he's 45 and probably got for 800 if he wants. He's great at conditioning his body, probably the best in baseball.

Your last paragraph is garbage and pathetic. You came in this thread with an agenda against Bonds, but with no information or logic. Now it back fired on you. You're asking people to help you? All they can do is share your hate and bias for Bonds, not much facts or proof really. Fuck my mind, you're not going to change the facts cause you have no information to back up your bias argument. Peace out.

So, you are saying that it is natural for a middle-aged man's hat size to grow 1 1/2 sizes AFTER he cuts his afro?

[Mr. Heskey]

And have you ever seen bonds in the late 1980s? He's a good 50 pounds lighter.

[Hoss]

^ another prejudice angry redneck

Hoss, you respect my swagger, I respect that.

I mentioned how Bonds was a good guy and not a bad guy like Vick or Pacman, can't you read? Do I have to debate in you Spanish? What language do you speak man? The rest of the paragraph isn't worth my thought.

Hoss, they weren't illegal at the TIME, therefor no rules were broken; stop complaining. I'm not promoting steroids; I'm actually against it. I myself was a Bonds hater, but you need to take into considering he was always a great power hitter, hitter for average, and a great all around athlete who could steal bases or play gold glove defense and he should not be discredited for any of his accomplishments.

This is easily one of the weakest arguments I've ever seen. Just because they weren't illegal AT THE TIME doesn't change the fact that there's no place for them in the game. For the third time now, and hopefully last, I've admitted that he was a tremendous tremendous athlete. Nobody is saying that he wasn't a hell of a fielder or ballplayer in general. However, you have to admit that it's a bit suspicious that from 2000 to 2004, essentially at the height of the steroid scandal, his home run totals skyrocketed, ranging from a low of 45 to a high of 73.

Hoss, do you know anything about fitness? I don't want to assume your some average guy who sits on the computer for long periods of time, eating cool ranch doritos, but I certainly feel like that. I've seen people over 50 in AMAZING shape, who could run more miles in a day than you can in a month. Bonds is one of the hardest working players in the MLB, even at 42, and you have to respect him for that. His hard work definitely payed off to an amazing career.

I don't try to pretend that I'm in incredible shape, because I'm not. But you keep bringing up this argument that he's in terrific shape. He really isn't in as great of a shape as you mention. Sure, he's got the physique of a body builder, but when I continuously hear on sportscenter and sportsradio that a player has to take days off between games because he's so sore, and that he has to take extremely long massages to loosen up his muscles before and after games, it becomes evident that he's not what he once was. Plus, there's always talk of his legs being bad and his elbow bothering him, not to mention that he's got a bad back. Oh, and he's 43, not 42.

Hensley failed his test, and is known for taking steroids as a pitcher. Bonds didn't. So since you praise steroids(something you have no clue about unless you wikipedia or google it) so much, wouldn't Hensley have the advantage and be a Cy Young type pitcher? Hansley has a 6.18 and is a fucking bum.

What the fuck? Explain to me how i'm "praising steroids" when for the past three extremely long posts, I've given you reasons why steroids give players unfair advantages in the game and why I don't believe Bonds got to this record naturally? Seriously man, think before you type something out. As for your question about Hansley being Cy Young material, it's just like you mentioned beforehand that steroids can only do so much for you as a player. They'll improve your strength and power, but they don't improve your accuracy or ability to throw a slider. Steroids have a completely different effect on pitchers and power hitters. Comparing these two is like comparing black against white.

1. Alex Sanchez, Tampa Bay, 10 GAMES, April 4, 2005

2. Jorge Piedra, Colorado, 10 GAMES, April 12, 2005

3. Agustin Montero, Texas, 10 GAMES, April 20, 2005

4. Jamal Strong, Seattle, 10 GAMES, April 26, 2005

5. Juan Rincon, Minnesota, 10 GAMES, May 2, 2005

6. Rafael Betancourt, Cleveland, 10 GAMES, July 8, 2005

7. Rafael Palmeiro, Baltimore, 10 GAMES, August 1, 2005

8. Ryan Franklin, Seattle, 10 GAMES, August 2, 2005

9. Mike Morse, Seattle, 10 GAMES, September 7, 2005

10. Carlos Almanzar, Texas, 10 GAMES, October 4, 2005

Félix Heredia NYM October 18, 2005 10 days P
Matt Lawton NYY November 2, 2005 10 days OF
Yusaku Iriki NYM April 28, 2006 50 games P
Jason Grimsley AZ June 12, 2006 50 games P
Guillermo Mota NYM November 1, 2006 50 games P
Juan Salas TB May 7, 2007 50 games P
Neifi Perez

^ These guys were suspending for steroids.

All you did in your reply is ask me irrelevant questions to the topic.

Alex Sanchez isn't even in the MLB, and only has 6 career homeruns. Did steroids help him? No, it ended his MLB career. Dude doesn't even have a job in the MLB.

Piedra is a minor leaguer who hasn't done nothing in the MLB.

Agustín Montero is a minor league pitcher.

Jamal Strong, another minor league scrub.

Juan Rincón, 6.21 ERA...ohhh what great baseball magic steroids has blessed Juanito with.

Ryan Franklin is a bum pitcher

Most of these guys are sub-par MLB talents and had evidence against them. Its the total opposite for Bonds.

Barry Bonds got to 755 based on his skill in hitting(eye vision, bat spend, perfect swing), athelism(strong upper body and legs from working hard in the off season), conditioning(still in great shape at 42), and overall talent (has been an elite player for almost 20 years at his position, was one of the best players in the MLB even when he was with the pirates). If you "believe" Barry Bonds got to 755 because of steroids then you're a fucking ignorant dork who doesn't know shit about athletics, baseball or conditioning. Even if he did take steroids, it itself didn't take him to 755 or help him entirely to get there. Barry Bonds could play baseball till he's 45 and probably got for 800 if he wants. He's great at conditioning his body, probably the best in baseball.

Right there in the bold is where I completely discredit your argument. If you truly think that Bonds got to 755 based on his "skill in hitting, athleticism, conditioning, and overall talent" alone, that's fine. Someone's reached 755 by using those means before. However, can you explain to me how Bonds put on all that weight in such a short time? Don't give me this shit about his offseason conditioning and weight training routine. His listed weight as a rookie was 185, and right now he's listed at 228. He varied from 185 to 190 up until 1997, where he started to put on quite a big of weight between seasons. I can't pretend that lifting weights doesn't help you put on muscle, because frankly there's no getting around that. However, I'm a bit suspicious when I see a guy put on that much weight in between seasons.

Also, explain to me how he managed to start hitting 45+ home runs a year when beforehand he was in the mid 20's to 30's? There are only a few players who have managed to do that too. If you get a chance, take a look at Mark McGwire and Rafael Palmeiro's stats. See if you can pick up on any similarities.

Your last paragraph is garbage and pathetic. You came in this thread with an agenda against Bonds, but with no information or logic. Now it back fired on you. You're asking people to help you? All they can do is share your hate and bias for Bonds, not much facts or proof really. Fuck my mind, you're not going to change the facts cause you have no information to back up your bias argument. Peace out.

My last paragraph is garbage and pathetic, but your entire argument is garbage and pathetic. My agenda against Bonds is evident; I think he's a liar and a cheater. I've made that clear, there's no debating that. It hasn't backfired on me at all, I'm asking people to back me up because it's obvious that I'm not making sense to you.

[Eminem]

Does it occur to you that hundreds of batters have hit off of steroid-taking pitchers every day? You say that they have much more to gain, but explain to me how winning a Cy Young award would be considered more of an accomplishment than breaking the all-time homerun record?


Actually, the guy made a good point that you overlooked. The pitchers now are a lot better than the pitchers that pitched for Hank or Babe. Some are, to use your words, "unnaturally" better. Even if we assume that part of Barry's record run was on steroids, it doesn't mean that what he has done is any less amazing than the records from the past.

It's like comparing basketball players now to Wilt Chamberlain. Is it really fair for you to make that comparisson?

[_Joe]

Actually, the guy made a good point that you overlooked. The pitchers now are a lot better than the pitchers that pitched for Hank or Babe. Some are, to use your words, "unnaturally" better. Even if we assume that part of Barry's record run was on steroids, it doesn't mean that what he has done is any less amazing than the records from the past.
Something a lot of people overlook is the fact that steroids are very dangerous and detrimental to one's health. I mean, look at Bonds's joints, he used to be a good fielder but now he doesn't play half the time because he's terrible in left field. These effects are especially detrimental to children since they rely on their hormones to grow during puberty and adolescence. Steroids disrupt this process, and can cause joint problems, cardiovascular problems, depression, mental illness, sterility, among other things.

Now think about this. What does a kid think when he sees a steroid user break one of baseball's most important records? This is the most overlooked reason to not allow steroid use in professional sports, but it is the most important reason.

So really, the "I don't care if he took 'em, it's still amazing" argument takes a backseat to this.


It's like comparing basketball players now to Wilt Chamberlain. Is it really fair for you to make that comparisson?

Sure it's fair, he's better than all players today, no question.

[chengy]

Hmm I put an article in my blog.. since I don't want to seem like I'm hawking people to my site I'll post it (http://www.allansworld.info/2007/08/thoughts-on-barry-bonds-steroids-and.html):
I do have different views from the generic crowd but I stand by them by my words though I'm indifferent on Bonds.

Barry Bonds hit his 755th homerun yesterday with many people arguing and he’s been a popular topic since forever. I think I don’t have the generic thoughts on Bonds and I may take some flak for thinking this.

On Bonds on a as a person: Most people call Bonds an asshole or a jerk but in fact we don’t really know him at all. He had made some enemies with the media such as calling them out and making some remarks. In turn, the media has portrayed him as evil and the “only” steroid user out there. Last, I checked, I didn’t really like the media and most of the writers (there are some great ones out there) so I can understand the hate Bonds has for them. Bonds is a gentlemen on the field but in the end WE KNOW NOTHING about him to judge.

On Bonds a baseball player: One of the greatest players to ever play this game. He was a 500 home run guy with 500 stolen bases before the steroids issue popped up. He was a hall of famer before the speculation started about him and it doesn’t change a thing at all in my eyes. He is a great baseball player in the end and people won’t remember the steroids stuff in 50 years.

Bonds on steroids: when looking at his statistics there is no similar player like him. He was and is a unique player. Do I think he took steroids? Yes I do. However, it doesn’t change anything. Steroids was LEGAL then and when you play under the rules it shouldn’t matter. He has never been caught for using steroids when it was illegal. I am sure tons of players used steroids as I’ll have to get back to my thoughts on steroids to highlight what I mean.

For or against Bonds: As you can tell from what I have said so far I am more on the side of for Bonds then against him. However, other then rooting for him to break the record, I don’t really care much about Bonds. He’s a great player but he was never a Blue Jay so I don’t really put myself out there in support of Bonds when there are a lot of people who are greatly critical. I do hope he hits 756 soon so we can move on from this endless debate.

On steroids: Steroids have been around for a lot longer than we take into account. It first was introduced into warfare to produce super humans. I don’t think steroids is as bad as everything says they are. They do have a great medical purpose, which is to cure people from injuries which SHOULD be allowed to be used for that purpose. It only betters a person’s well being if they are injured and they use steroids to get back to normal.

Anyway, the first major case in which steroids was caught was in Canadian Ben Johnson in 1988. This means professional athletes were using steroids way before 1988 and that testing for it was introduced somewhere around then. I think you can argue if someone from the Olympics is using steroids that other professional athletes would be using such supplements as well. Especially after seeing Ben Johnson’s inhuman 9.76 time. When Barry Bonds hit 73 home runs in 2001 it was clearly shocking as that number doesn’t really fit into any categories. People speculate that in the year 2000 he was jealous and started using steroids then. If you are keeping count that is 12 YEARS between steroid allegations. Steroids just didn’t fall off the map and just popped up because one day Bonds decided he should try it. If you don’t believe people weren’t using steroids between those 12 years are you absolutely dumb.

Due to Barry Bonds’ success, he has ultimately become a scapegoat and that’s very unfair as I am sure many baseball players even if they deny it were on the juice and you can’t turn a blind eye to that. It makes sense why Jose Canseco has brought up many players using the juice because so many players WERE on it. It was legal then though and most people confide to the rules and it wasn’t a rule so players were to do as they wanted.

[Eminem]

Something a lot of people overlook is the fact that steroids are very dangerous and detrimental to one's health. I mean, look at Bonds's joints, he used to be a good fielder but now he doesn't play half the time because he's terrible in left field. These effects are especially detrimental to children since they rely on their hormones to grow during puberty and adolescence. Steroids disrupt this process, and can cause joint problems, cardiovascular problems, depression, mental illness, sterility, among other things.

Now think about this. What does a kid think when he sees a steroid user break one of baseball's most important records? This is the most overlooked reason to not allow steroid use in professional sports, but it is the most important reason.

So really, the "I don't care if he took 'em, it's still amazing" argument takes a backseat to this.




Sure it's fair, he's better than all players today, no question.


I get it; steroids make bad role models. Nevertheless, I hate it when people discard a man's accomplishments on his alleged use of steroids. Whether or not he used them, he is still one of the best hitters the game has ever seen.


Oh, and Wilt cannot be compared to the players today. He played in a different time with different coaching and different rules. He dominated the game during his days, but it is impossible to say he is better than the players now.

[_Joe]

I get it; steroids make bad role models. Nevertheless, I hate it when people discard a man's accomplishments on his alleged use of steroids. Whether or not he used them, he is still one of the best hitters the game has ever seen.

But, he isn't a better PLAYER or HITTER than Hank Arron, and the record seems to, at least, project him as Arron's equal, if not superior. If Arron would have used steroids, there's no telling how many more HR's he could have hit or more seasons played.




Oh, and Wilt cannot be compared to the players today. He played in a different time with different coaching and different rules. He dominated the game during his days, but it is impossible to say he is better than the players now.


You seem to not know very much about basketball, if you did you wouldn't make such terrible generalizations. Wilt would still dominate today. Such an example would probably work better with MJ, but Wilt was a much better player than MJ. Chamberlain was a freak, no one in the history of basketball has dominated with skill and athleticism in such a way as Wilt has, and no one will for a long time.

It is not impossible to think he is better than the current players, because I do think so. In 1962, Wilt AVERAGED 50.4 points, had a 100 point game in Hershey, PA, and that same year had 45 50+ point games.

Oh, but wait, we can't compare him to people today, because now they have different coaches and players. But, wait, don't today's players face different coaches and players every game? And aren't trades also made? How can we compare today's players with themselves unless the same coaches and players play in every single game?

To say such a thing is ludicrous.

[s3xyjesus]

What? Maybe you should take the dick out of your mouth. With your bronx accent it's kinda hard to tell...:err:

You're from Texas, you sound like a redneck or cowboy. I been to Houston before, the white Texas bitches love my NEW YORK accent, so why you mad cow fucker? Come into this thread with knowledge of baseball, if not go back to munching on some BBQ pork and playing your Halo 2 you obese non athletic dickhead.

Hoss, like I said you're very limited in knowledge with this subject. Everything you said so far was opinionated. I make it harder for you to agree with my facts cause I love putting you down and lowering your status post after post.
I don't support steroids. I played baseball in Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic and I've seen guys used them. That was 3-4 years ago. These guys are no where now. They're always injured and are being effecting by other side effects. Good for them. Steroids should be banned in from the MLB, I would totally agree with you for that. But hating on Barry Bonds and assuming steroids helped his career just says you know very little about the game of baseball, athletics, conditioning and steroids itself.


You think Bonds is a liar and a cheater, with no proof, or information. You posted the worst argument here. Why? It has no information or logic. Everything you said is what you think, not what you know. I think Bonds can be a dickhead sometimes, but do I really know that? Do I really know him to say that? Not really, so I just keep it to myself so I won't look stupid; the way you're looking right now. If you had some valid information in this thread, then maybe I would give your post credit. You already gave my post credit, and I just feel like owning this debate, therefor I keep dropping bombs of information. You already said you agreed with me, now you're just defending your opinion with the fact; which will truly get you no where except online embarrassment(who really cares, right?)

You're right, it is suspicious. Thats all it is. Thats all you can say about it. The rest you can assume. You guys have no concrete proof - ONLY speculation. The end.

What do we know?

Bonds has constantly been a hard worker for the last decade, NATURALLY. We have facts that he works out a lot.


Plus, extra muscles do not equal more hitting power. Hitting is all about hand-eye coordination, hand quickness, bat speed and a good eye. Look at Soriano, dude is skinny as a rail, but is still one of the best homerun hitters in the game. If anything, strength might give you a bit extra distance on the ball(pull the ball out of the yard.)

Steroids can't turn guys like Juan Pierre and Luis Castillo into sluggers.

Keep this in mind; Bonds hit 500 home runs when he was skinny as a stick in Pittsburgh, and the steroid debate was irrelevant.

I mean yeah he maybe took steroids. Who flippin' cares! With or without steroids, he's done something only one other player has accomplished. Players like McGwire, Canseco, Giambi, or any other player who either took or was accused of taking steroids were never able to do it. If steroids were the only reason he got there, then why weren't Canseco or Giambi able to even hit 500 home runs? Because they broke down and weren't conditioned properly. Bottom line, steroids isn't a BIG FACTOR in hitting skills. It takes more than steroids to be a good hitter.


There are at least three other factors which happened at roughly the same time which could account for Bonds' increased homerun production:

1. the building of smaller ballparks
2. watered-down pitching as a result of expansion
3. "juiced" balls - which WAS proven by a examination of the balls done at MIT

and it's not like MLB hasn't monkeyed around with the balls BEFORE to increase homerun production. They did it as far back as Ruth's time, as an earlier post noted. So theres no denying this.

You guys clearly have no concept of the need for EVIDENCE, and PROOF of causality before making accusations. It is one of the things that is wrong with our society. People assume guilt without true PROOF on which to base it.

You need great leg power to be a pitcher. If you ever went to college, and go to the weight room, check out the pitchers of the baseball team at the weight room. They're always do isolation leg exercises. Once again, you know very little about the benefits and side affects of steroids. Google some information now and research it.

Dude, if I wanted to, I can gain 10-20 pounds of muscle the next month. Even you could do it if you wanted to, since you have a higher percentage of body fat, you could do it EASIER too.

Kobe Bryant was like 210 lbs in 2005. In 2006, he gained 20 lbs and became like 225-230 lbs. Athletics can gain or cut weight EASILY, without drugs. Study conditioning please man, you yourself would really learn alot and would probably benefit you in the future. Anyone in this country can lose 10-20 pounds or gain 10-20 pounds of muscle. It just takes determination and mental toughness.

I do boxing, and most boxers cut 10-20 pounds in a matter less than a MONTH. Its just extreme basic conditioning most Americans are too lazy to do. Thats why it seems impossible to them. Plus, putting on weight doesn't determine shit. Bonds was a good home run hitter when he was skinny. I already listed some factors that played a role in Bonds increase in home runs.



I get it; steroids make bad role models. Nevertheless, I hate it when people discard a man's accomplishments on his alleged use of steroids. Whether or not he used them, he is still one of the best hitters the game has ever seen.


Oh, and Wilt cannot be compared to the players today. He played in a different time with different coaching and different rules. He dominated the game during his days, but it is impossible to say he is better than the players now.


Co-sign this.

If a hitter gets caught. "he's cheating scumbag." but if it is a pitcher, where's the outrage?! Also didn't Jason Grimsley point out Clemens the same way Canseco called out Mcgwire and Palmeiro?
The roid contreversy is media created because some guys get crucified while others get passes.

Plus, Aaron's BEST 5-year home run streak BEGAN when he was 35 years old, but that was partly a park illusion. He moved from a stadium in Milwaukee that was taking several HRs a year AWAY from him to the Launching Pad in Atlanta that GAVE him several HRs a year.

[YankeesSuck]

The posts are way too fucking long in this thread.

[Nick is cool]

You seem to not know very much about basketball, if you did you wouldn't make such terrible generalizations. Wilt would still dominate today. Such an example would probably work better with MJ, but Wilt was a much better player than MJ. Chamberlain was a freak, no one in the history of basketball has dominated with skill and athleticism in such a way as Wilt has, and no one will for a long time.

It is not impossible to think he is better than the current players, because I do think so. In 1962, Wilt AVERAGED 50.4 points, had a 100 point game in Hershey, PA, and that same year had 45 50+ point games.

Oh, but wait, we can't compare him to people today, because now they have different coaches and players. But, wait, don't today's players face different coaches and players every game? And aren't trades also made? How can we compare today's players with themselves unless the same coaches and players play in every single game?

To say such a thing is ludicrous.






Wilt played against mostly 6'7 6'8 guys, and russel was the only other great center in the game. If you think wilt could get anything close to 50 a year in todays game your crazy. He probaly never played a 7 footer in his life

[s3xyjesus]

Wilt played against mostly 6'7 6'8 guys, and russel was the only other great center in the game. If you think wilt could get anything close to 50 a year in todays game your crazy. He probaly never played a 7 footer in his life

7 Foot is the most overrated thing in sports. Most 7 footers are fucking garbage.

[AsHopeDies]

To me, there is no more of a telling fact in this whole charade than the fact that Bonds hit 755 off of a pitcher who has been suspended for taking performance enhancing drugs. This fact alone leaves me with one conclusion and one statement to all of you who are up in arms towards Barry Bonds: Get the FUCK Over It!

You spend all of this time arguing about whether or not he used. Throwing around number and analyzing the guy's fucking hat size progression over the years. What the fuck is your problem? Why are you wasting your time? Considering the state of the game and the current set up, if Bonds tested positive tomorrow, he would sit out his suspension and get right back to playing. So, after all of this time and wasted effort, if someone proved that Bonds took steroids, what would the result be? Would they then push for the record to be thrown out, which would be complete unprecedented bullshit.

This all comes down to one easy topic, people don't like seeing these records broken. We look back and laugh at the Roger Maris situation and make HBO movies about how preposterous it was to suggest an asterisk be applied to the record. When the games played argument is a million times more relevant than whether a guy did or didn't do something that wasn't illegal at the time. Think about what you are arguing here people. IT WASN'T ILLEGAL IN THE TIME IN QUESTION! There is literally no argument that holds water when it comes to any action to take against Bonds or his records.

A lot of things were legal at times in baseball that are illegal now, included during Mantle, Mays, and Aaron's times. Should we discredit these records? Go back and get congress involved as to whether or not Mantle used pain medicine and ointments that are now illegal?

Get over it. Bonds is perhaps the greatest hitter to ever live, period.

[Mr. Heskey]

Get over it. Bonds is perhaps the greatest hitter to ever live, period.

No, Hank Aaron is. He hit 755 without juicing.


The main reason I don't watch baseball nowadays is because of all the cheating. It's wrong and the league needs to be fixed.

[Jimothy51]

Ted Williams is the greatest hitter of all-time. Babe Ruth is the greatest slugger of all-time. Hank Aaron is the most consistently good player the game has ever seen. Barry Bonds is a great player who does not get enough credit, but he is not as good as Williams, Babe, or Aaron.

[CheeseMonkeys]

It's sad that that asshole ruined his career with steroids. He would have been remembered as a great player but now he will be remembers as steroid king. Fuck him.

[AsHopeDies]

No, Hank Aaron is. He hit 755 without juicing.


The main reason I don't watch baseball nowadays is because of all the cheating. It's wrong and the league needs to be fixed.

Ted Williams was a better hitter than Aaron. In my opinion, you can't even argue that Aaron was the best hitter of all time. Aaron is remembered for home runs and friggin' Jay Buhner has a higher home run percentage than Aaron. Aaron's feat was his longevity in my opinion, and that doesn't make him one of the greatest hitters of all time. He also holds the all-time record for at bats, I believe that speaks to his HR and RBI records as well. Stats and steroids aside...I think Bonds is the better hitter.

And how is doing something that isn't illegal in the sport at the time cheating again?

Ted Williams is the greatest hitter of all-time. Babe Ruth is the greatest slugger of all-time. Hank Aaron is the most consistently good player the game has ever seen. Barry Bonds is a great player who does not get enough credit, but he is not as good as Williams, Babe, or Aaron.

Ehhh...those are pretty arguable claims, at best. But that is even more than most can say about him. I think he's in the top three, but that's not the most important part. He needs to be in the discussion, he's earned that.

It's sad that that asshole ruined his career with steroids. He would have been remembered as a great player but now he will be remembers as steroid king. Fuck him.

Bonds deserves to be remembered as a great player. The media and the commissioner need a scapegoat, and if he is remembered as anything other than a great player, that will be the reason.

[likethis]

A-Rod will most likely break the record in a few years anyway.

[AsHopeDies]

A-Rod will most likely break the record in a few years anyway.

QFT.

10 q for f'ing t's

[poopchow]

QFT.

10 q for f'ing t's

Yea i agree and pujols has an outside shot of getting over 700 as well.

The guy is basically on an avg of 40 per year, he has 274 through 6 2/3 years, so say he gets 285 by end of year 7, if he can keep that pace for another 7-10 years, he will be right around the 650-700 level.


Also, Ryan Braun, its only his first year, but that dude is the truth.

[_Joe]

Wilt played against mostly 6'7 6'8 guys, and russel was the only other great center in the game. If you think wilt could get anything close to 50 a year in todays game your crazy. He probaly never played a 7 footer in his life

Anyone over 6'8" who isn't as big as Shaq (because all he does all game is faul and push people around) is very awkward, and is not as athletic as those 6'6"-6'8" guys. And, like that other guy said, guys over 7' are mostly just a lot of hype, not a lot of skill.

[Slid3r]

i hate barry bonds and im black

and im all for a-rod breaking the record, he is a solid individual

[AsHopeDies]

how can you possibly think you know that a-rod is a solid individual? So, a book comes out about Bonds and you think he's dirty and you hate him. Canseco says he knows that A-Rod did a lot of shit and you think he's a solid individual. I just don't get how you people are coming up with these opinions.

[s3xyjesus]

To me, there is no more of a telling fact in this whole charade than the fact that Bonds hit 755 off of a pitcher who has been suspended for taking performance enhancing drugs. This fact alone leaves me with one conclusion and one statement to all of you who are up in arms towards Barry Bonds: Get the FUCK Over It!

You spend all of this time arguing about whether or not he used. Throwing around number and analyzing the guy's fucking hat size progression over the years. What the fuck is your problem? Why are you wasting your time? Considering the state of the game and the current set up, if Bonds tested positive tomorrow, he would sit out his suspension and get right back to playing. So, after all of this time and wasted effort, if someone proved that Bonds took steroids, what would the result be? Would they then push for the record to be thrown out, which would be complete unprecedented bullshit.

This all comes down to one easy topic, people don't like seeing these records broken. We look back and laugh at the Roger Maris situation and make HBO movies about how preposterous it was to suggest an asterisk be applied to the record. When the games played argument is a million times more relevant than whether a guy did or didn't do something that wasn't illegal at the time. Think about what you are arguing here people. IT WASN'T ILLEGAL IN THE TIME IN QUESTION! There is literally no argument that holds water when it comes to any action to take against Bonds or his records.

A lot of things were legal at times in baseball that are illegal now, included during Mantle, Mays, and Aaron's times. Should we discredit these records? Go back and get congress involved as to whether or not Mantle used pain medicine and ointments that are now illegal?

Get over it. Bonds is perhaps the greatest hitter to ever live, period.


Great fucking post. God bless you.


No, Hank Aaron is. He hit 755 without juicing.


The main reason I don't watch baseball nowadays is because of all the cheating. It's wrong and the league needs to be fixed.

Then shut the fuck up about Bonds you fat fucking monkey redneck and go complain about it to Bud Selig.

If you don't watch baseball, you shouldn't watch any other sport for that matter. In the majority of sports, there are athletes who cheated. SO STFU...you're too emotional about this. Study more about it and come back to this thread. All the Bonds haters were shut up this thread because you guys are SPECULATING. You have no solid facts or evidence.

Plus "IF" Bonds did steroids for a season or two when they didn't test, it wouldn't have matter. Bonds is still in great shapeNN. Bonds is STILL a 20-40 Homerun hitter, like he has been all of his career. Bonds can play for 3 more seasons and break the record without that 73 homerun record, because Bonds is a GREAT CONDITIONED athlete with alot of longetivity behind him in his career, plus the fact he's been on of the best players in the MLB in the 15 year period of his career, if not the BEST.

Since the 90's Bonds has had the best EYE in the MLB. Dude has the sickest walk to strike out ratio we have ever seen. Fucking dude had 151 walks in a SEASON back in 1996, when he hit 42 homeruns.

Bonds always be a slugger, he slugged over .600 MANY TIMES in the 90's, and his career slugging is still .600, so what the fuck? He's been consistant for most of his career except for that insane season where he hit 73.

1.Steroids WERENT illegal when Bonds "allegedly" did them.
2.Bonds has never pissed positive.
3.Bonds had a HOF caliber career BEFORE the steroid allegations.

People dont have to like him, but respect him. ALOT of players have been caught juicing, why couldnt THEY hit that many HR's?

Anyway, theres alot of speculation. All you guys can do is hate, and you're hating the wrong person. Hate Bud Selig for allowing this to happend, not Bonds. Bonds is just playing within the system, hate the man who created to system. Selig let this shit slid because of the money he was making in 98, with the Sosa/Mac homerun chase almost a decade ago.

[Nick is cool]

Anyone over 6'8" who isn't as big as Shaq (because all he does all game is faul and push people around) is very awkward, and is not as athletic as those 6'6"-6'8" guys. And, like that other guy said, guys over 7' are mostly just a lot of hype, not a lot of skill.







May be akward but they are alot better basketball players. Find me some good 6'6-6'8 centers, these days you cant. There are a few exceptions (ben wallace) but in basketball if your 7 foot you dont always have to be athletic or coordinated to be good, because when they are scoring athleticism isnt a must, it helps but they if they have a good shot, fadeaway etc. they can still score. And its obvious why if your 7 foot you can defend better

[s3xyjesus]

May be akward but they are alot better basketball players. Find me some good 6'6-6'8 centers, these days you cant. There are a few exceptions (ben wallace) but in basketball if your 7 foot you dont always have to be athletic or coordinated to be good, because when they are scoring athleticism isnt a must, it helps but they if they have a good shot, fadeaway etc. they can still score. And its obvious why if your 7 foot you can defend better


7 Footers with a fade away...Dirk...Dirk....maybe Gasol and Yao.

Point is, Height is fucking overrated. The best rebounders in the NBA you can find them at 6"7 and 6"9.

[Face Plant]

I just assume most power hitters are juicers now. The only power hitter I believe for sure is roid free is Ken Griffey Jr. I read in an article that Jr doesn't lift weights and doesn't do much training of any kind in fact, not much point of juicing if your not lifting. Too bad his career has been injury prone

[Jimothy51]

The real reason why this day will be remembered is because Justin Upton hit his first of 850 career HR's on the night that Barry broke the record.

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What the hell is up with the one guy calling anyone that hates Bonds racist? You do know who Hank Aaron is right? Do you know what color he is? Thats right black. So tell me how can someone be racist against blacks when they think Hank should still be the Home Run king instead of Barry?

[Burningnun]

Point is, Height is fucking overrated. The best rebounders in the NBA you can find them at 6"7 and 6"9.

LOL, those 6'7" midgets.