SUPRA vs CORVETTE?

[RTShadow]

From watching some youtube and streetfire videos for awhile tonite, I have to say, the two biggest nuthugger groups seem to be the fans of these two cars. God help you if you say anything bad about either one.

Anyone else notice this? Which fans do you think are worse, the Supra or the Corvette people? The questions and comments on some of the videos are are just ridiculous. Bottom line, either car can be made into one ass kicking machine, IMHO. Thoughts?

And yes, I know, Mustang and Camaro people are pretty bad too, as are Skyline followers, but lets try to keep on topic with the two above, at least for now :)

[Spank666]

Any fanboy is a bad fanboy.

[dysphunktion]

Well, Supra's have never ending potential. Corvettes have a lot too, don't get me wrong. Stock though, the 2JZ-GTE can hold pretty good against the Vettes powerplant, er, depending on which one it is...

[fRESHPLATES]

Civic pwns all

[n00b_rocket]

Well, Supra's have never ending potential. Corvettes have a lot too, don't get me wrong. Stock though, the 2JZ-GTE can hold pretty good against the Vettes powerplant, er, depending on which one it is...

Sounds like we have a Supra fanboy on our hands.

[Nocturnal]

IMO, surpa fanboys are usualy the worst. Vette guys seem about average.

[break3r]

Corvette owners are usually more mature then Supra owners.

[EVO_9MR]

only difference is that the supra is no longer in production.
i've seen some fast ones though, like a supra that smoked an 06' Z06 at the dragstrip.

[clutch-monkey]

...skyline GTR fanboys outdo both of them.especially the ones from the US who have never seen, let alone driven a GTR

[philcoolguy]

Well, Supra's have never ending potential. Corvettes have a lot too, don't get me wrong. Stock though, the 2JZ-GTE can hold pretty good against the Vettes powerplant, er, depending on which one it is...

As hot as 1200hp starting at 6500rpm is (*cough*), you'll max out the 3.0L V6 2JZ well before a 7L V8 LS7. Or even the 6L LS2. I mean, I like supras and all, but let's be realistic. You're talking about a modded supra vs a stock vette. If you throw the same amount of cash at both cars the vette will almost always win.

[Kumacho]

LSX engines react very well to "breathing" mods (read bolt on mods such as intake, exhaust...). Much more so than does the 2JZ. As long as we are talking basic mods the Vettes (C5 and up) will out perform a Supra with the same money put into them. In fact you can make the vette faster for cheaper up to a point.

I have to agree that most Vette owners are more mature than are Supra owners and I do seem to see more "But the 2JZ can make 1200 hperz!". Surpa make great dyno cars and if you build them right you can get a lot of power to the ground. However, the Vette is easier to get big numbers transitioned to the ground.

Another thing you have to realize is that most of the smack you see in comments at You Tube are from 12 year olds and/or people who have never driven, let alone owned either car. A fanboi is a fanboi is a fanboi... They do a great disservice to anyone that owns the car they are a fanboi of.

I love both cars. I do however favor the owners of Vettes as they usually don't spout as much BS as I see from the Supra crowds.

[break3r]

I love both cars. I do however favor the owners of Vettes as they usually don't spout as much BS as I see from the Supra crowds.

they have nothing to prove ;)

[OLIAX]

supras are better
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[war]

[zigamabob]

Scared of the drag strip, roll racing dyno queens.

[SyDias]

EBW is the home of the Vette fanboi! :)

[ThaiTanium22]

EBW is the home of the Vette fanboi! :)

Pretty much all automotive forums have a handful of people who will, at every given chance, say that the Corvette Z06 will beat car X at a lower price.

[Kumacho]

Pretty much all automotive forums have a handful of people who will, at every given chance, say that the Corvette Z06 will beat car X at a lower price.

I can't think of many lower priced stock cars that will out perform a C6 Z06. Actually, I can't think of any... There maybe one I'm not able to come up with atm.

So my point is, what is wrong with saying it if it's true? If they aren't saying something along those lines when it's inappropriate (i.e. a conversation about a stock civic versus a camary or something).

[pat99872]

Nothing is worse than the camaro fanboy

[Jatt4Life]

I guess I'm a Supra and RX-7 fanboy.

[Spank666]

I'm a watered down WRX/STi fanboy. I love the cars, but I know their limits.

[drjay]

I can't think of many lower priced stock cars that will out perform a C6 Z06. Actually, I can't think of any... There maybe one I'm not able to come up with atm.

So my point is, what is wrong with saying it if it's true? If they aren't saying something along those lines when it's inappropriate (i.e. a conversation about a stock civic versus a camary or something).

Who knew a discussion about why people turn it into a debate would turn into a debate? baahaha. I'll bite.

I think the Viper SRT-10 would give it a good run. About the same price too. I'm sure the vette would beat it in an 'all around' test though. A Porsche Carrera could also be had, but that'll lag too.

Point is, no matter what, you can not deny that the z06 is pretty well the king bang for buck car out there in terms of performance. That's the problem though, most people going out to spend $60k+ on a car want a touch of originality or a feeling of exclusivity. I could build you a Civic for $40k that'll spank almost every production car out there, think they'll sell? No, because the Civic is a common car, who cares if it has 900hp. Yes yes, "who's laughing when you lose a race?" but that's not the point for a lot of them. That's one reason generally it's a smaller portion of the performance car market that actually takes theirs to a track and/or races it on any sort of regular basis. In the end much of the performance sticks to the "wow" factor of the car, and little more. If you're cruising around in a new 911 you probably won't care a whole lot that the z06 could out run it.

[ahaga]

I love Supras
This is from an old Road & Track
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u36/continental87/supra.jpg

[ThaiTanium22]

I can't think of many lower priced stock cars that will out perform a C6 Z06. Actually, I can't think of any... There maybe one I'm not able to come up with atm.

So my point is, what is wrong with saying it if it's true? If they aren't saying something along those lines when it's inappropriate (i.e. a conversation about a stock civic versus a camary or something).

I agree that there aren't but I think it's unnecessary for a person to bring it up in every thread about how cool and fast a non-Corvette Z06 sport car is.

[Kumacho]

Who knew a discussion about why people turn it into a debate would turn into a debate? baahaha. I'll bite.

I think the Viper SRT-10 would give it a good run. About the same price too. I'm sure the vette would beat it in an 'all around' test though. A Porsche Carrera could also be had, but that'll lag too.

Point is, no matter what, you can not deny that the z06 is pretty well the king bang for buck car out there in terms of performance. That's the problem though, most people going out to spend $60k+ on a car want a touch of originality or a feeling of exclusivity. I could build you a Civic for $40k that'll spank almost every production car out there, think they'll sell? No, because the Civic is a common car, who cares if it has 900hp. Yes yes, "who's laughing when you lose a race?" but that's not the point for a lot of them. That's one reason generally it's a smaller portion of the performance car market that actually takes theirs to a track and/or races it on any sort of regular basis. In the end much of the performance sticks to the "wow" factor of the car, and little more. If you're cruising around in a new 911 you probably won't care a whole lot that the z06 could out run it.

Very well put... To the common person - and let's face it that is who buys a majority of cars - the "wow" factor is more important than is the performance.

There are very few cars anymore that are aimed at the enthusiast. Perhaps that is because we are becoming more and more rare. I like to blame "The Fast and the Furious" for it actually. :p

[Sasquatch4406]

I could build you a Civic for $40k that'll spank almost every production car out there, think they'll sell? No, because the Civic is a common car, who cares if it has 900hp.


a civic with 900hp couldnt smoke a moped, you couldnt control that wheelspin at any speed.

[drjay]

There are very few cars anymore that are aimed at the enthusiast. Perhaps that is because we are becoming more and more rare. I like to blame "The Fast and the Furious" for it actually. :p

Haha yup. Heck even Ferrari has cruise control.

I see it as a social status "problem" more than anything.
Here's my take on the market:

People in the 20-40k car area generally have only one car per person, so the car needs cruise, a/c, comfy seats, back seats, etc. In that area people are generally more concerned with reliability and comfort than actual performance. There are a few cars that can touch both areas decently (STi, Mustang, GTO, etc) but almost all of them give up something in the way of performance. You think Subaru doesn't know a simple tune can give you 40+ horsepower?

$40-80k can be attributed to the true enthusiast market. Here is where you'll find the majority of the good performance cars; Exige, Viper, Z06, 911, most customs, etc. The seats may be comfy but call me when you hit a bump after finding your teeth. Gas consumption is a non-issue or only "good" by chance. Reliability is fair.

$80k-250k is where you find the status symbols. Daily driver Ferrari, Bentley, Higher Mercedes, most Lambo, etc. People who are too "mature" to really race, and more importantly too busy. These types have probably hit the peak of their career but aren't ready to admit it. Money screams confidence and being the go-to-guy and besides your suit your car is the thing people see most. When a guy hops out of a Ferrari and tells you what stock to buy, you listen. The performance of the car only matters so far as it gets other people excited about it, creating the status symbol that it is. A few good cars in this area have the word "Turbo" tossed in, but those are usually add-ons to a cheaper car.

$250k+++ wraps back to the enthusiast market a good sprinkling of status cars. Zonda, Saleen S7, Mclaren come in on the enthusiast side. Even still these cars are 99% status but have the performance to prove otherwise. Reliability, practicality, gas consumption, and comfort are almost completely irrelevant. Stereo optional. Most cars in this area don't have levels, such as Mustang V6 vs. V8. If it comes with a turbo, you get it. Options come down to a handful of colors and what country the leather came from.

Yep.

[Kumacho]

Haha yup. Heck even Ferrari has cruise control.

I see it as a social status "problem" more than anything.
Here's my take on the market:

People in the 20-40k car area generally have only one car per person, so the car needs cruise, a/c, comfy seats, back seats, etc. In that area people are generally more concerned with reliability and comfort than actual performance. There are a few cars that can touch both areas decently (STi, Mustang, GTO, etc) but almost all of them give up something in the way of performance. You think Subaru doesn't know a simple tune can give you 40+ horsepower?

$40-80k can be attributed to the true enthusiast market. Here is where you'll find the majority of the good performance cars; Exige, Viper, Z06, 911, most customs, etc. The seats may be comfy but call me when you hit a bump after finding your teeth. Gas consumption is a non-issue or only "good" by chance. Reliability is fair.

$80k-250k is where you find the status symbols. Daily driver Ferrari, Bentley, Higher Mercedes, most Lambo, etc. People who are too "mature" to really race, and more importantly too busy. These types have probably hit the peak of their career but aren't ready to admit it. Money screams confidence and being the go-to-guy and besides your suit your car is the thing people see most. When a guy hops out of a Ferrari and tells you what stock to buy, you listen. The performance of the car only matters so far as it gets other people excited about it, creating the status symbol that it is. A few good cars in this area have the word "Turbo" tossed in, but those are usually add-ons to a cheaper car.

$250k+++ wraps back to the enthusiast market a good sprinkling of status cars. Zonda, Saleen S7, Mclaren come in on the enthusiast side. Even still these cars are 99% status but have the performance to prove otherwise. Reliability, practicality, gas consumption, and comfort are almost completely irrelevant. Stereo optional. Most cars in this area don't have levels, such as Mustang V6 vs. V8. If it comes with a turbo, you get it. Options come down to a handful of colors and what country the leather came from.

Yep.

I like this guy! He gets it!

[dysphunktion]

Sounds like we have a Supra fanboy on our hands.

Hardly. I hate Supras but that doesn't mean I have to downplay their obvious performance.

[clutch-monkey]

awesome post
i agree
You think Subaru doesn't know a simple tune can give you 40+ horsepower?
.
i find this important in the fact that subaru knows enthusiasts will fiddle - why should they do the work when they can sell the car as is to the majority? let the individual do the work!
Gas consumption is a non-issue or only "good" by chance. Reliability is fair.
i dunno - that segment may be in reach of those who are willing to stretch a little, i think manufacturers do make an effort for fuel consumption

[FakeShake]

This sounds straight out of a movie.

Haha yup. Heck even Ferrari has cruise control.

I see it as a social status "problem" more than anything.
Here's my take on the market:

People in the 20-40k car area generally have only one car per person, so the car needs cruise, a/c, comfy seats, back seats, etc. In that area people are generally more concerned with reliability and comfort than actual performance. There are a few cars that can touch both areas decently (STi, Mustang, GTO, etc) but almost all of them give up something in the way of performance. You think Subaru doesn't know a simple tune can give you 40+ horsepower?

$40-80k can be attributed to the true enthusiast market. Here is where you'll find the majority of the good performance cars; Exige, Viper, Z06, 911, most customs, etc. The seats may be comfy but call me when you hit a bump after finding your teeth. Gas consumption is a non-issue or only "good" by chance. Reliability is fair.

$80k-250k is where you find the status symbols. Daily driver Ferrari, Bentley, Higher Mercedes, most Lambo, etc. People who are too "mature" to really race, and more importantly too busy. These types have probably hit the peak of their career but aren't ready to admit it. Money screams confidence and being the go-to-guy and besides your suit your car is the thing people see most. When a guy hops out of a Ferrari and tells you what stock to buy, you listen. The performance of the car only matters so far as it gets other people excited about it, creating the status symbol that it is. A few good cars in this area have the word "Turbo" tossed in, but those are usually add-ons to a cheaper car.

$250k+++ wraps back to the enthusiast market a good sprinkling of status cars. Zonda, Saleen S7, Mclaren come in on the enthusiast side. Even still these cars are 99% status but have the performance to prove otherwise. Reliability, practicality, gas consumption, and comfort are almost completely irrelevant. Stereo optional. Most cars in this area don't have levels, such as Mustang V6 vs. V8. If it comes with a turbo, you get it. Options come down to a handful of colors and what country the leather came from.

Yep.

[GNARF]

I can't think of many lower priced stock cars that will out perform a C6 Z06. Actually, I can't think of any... There maybe one I'm not able to come up with atm.

So my point is, what is wrong with saying it if it's true? If they aren't saying something along those lines when it's inappropriate (i.e. a conversation about a stock civic versus a camary or something).
well if you are talkin about value for performance..i think a Noble M400 has the Z06 beat senseless...its beats cars like 3-4 times the price..and the dudes in nobleforums know their stuff...there are a couple that have about like 550whp..and with that power to weight ratio...its should be faster than the Mclaren F1..also since they dont rely on technology like tcs or abs..the weight of the car is low...i think one guy has an m400 that maxes like 2.5 lateral g on the track...plus the reliability is pretty good...i think it uses a 3.0 liter duratec

[Haze_9999]

vettes are cooler. supras LED the comp, everyone else has caught up.

[Nocturnal]

Haha yup. Heck even Ferrari has cruise control.

I see it as a social status "problem" more than anything.
Here's my take on the market:

People in the 20-40k car area generally have only one car per person, so the car needs cruise, a/c, comfy seats, back seats, etc. In that area people are generally more concerned with reliability and comfort than actual performance. There are a few cars that can touch both areas decently (STi, Mustang, GTO, etc) but almost all of them give up something in the way of performance. You think Subaru doesn't know a simple tune can give you 40+ horsepower?

$40-80k can be attributed to the true enthusiast market. Here is where you'll find the majority of the good performance cars; Exige, Viper, Z06, 911, most customs, etc. The seats may be comfy but call me when you hit a bump after finding your teeth. Gas consumption is a non-issue or only "good" by chance. Reliability is fair.

$80k-250k is where you find the status symbols. Daily driver Ferrari, Bentley, Higher Mercedes, most Lambo, etc. People who are too "mature" to really race, and more importantly too busy. These types have probably hit the peak of their career but aren't ready to admit it. Money screams confidence and being the go-to-guy and besides your suit your car is the thing people see most. When a guy hops out of a Ferrari and tells you what stock to buy, you listen. The performance of the car only matters so far as it gets other people excited about it, creating the status symbol that it is. A few good cars in this area have the word "Turbo" tossed in, but those are usually add-ons to a cheaper car.

$250k+++ wraps back to the enthusiast market a good sprinkling of status cars. Zonda, Saleen S7, Mclaren come in on the enthusiast side. Even still these cars are 99% status but have the performance to prove otherwise. Reliability, practicality, gas consumption, and comfort are almost completely irrelevant. Stereo optional. Most cars in this area don't have levels, such as Mustang V6 vs. V8. If it comes with a turbo, you get it. Options come down to a handful of colors and what country the leather came from.

Yep.

excellent description

[RTShadow]

You know, the crappy thing about 250,000 dollar + cars is that a high percentage of their owners probably never take them over 60 mph, if that. It's like a prize thoroughbred horse that is stuck in a 20 X 20 foot pen all the time.

[Kumacho]

vettes are cooler. supras LED the comp, everyone else has caught up.

Huh? Anyone else not understand what he is saying?

[Nocturnal]

Huh? Anyone else not understand what he is saying?

gotta love google translator

vettes are cooler. supras LED the comp, everyone else has caught up.



"While I agree that corvettes are very efficient and great performing vehicles I firmly believe that the Toyota Supra was far ahead of it's time. Despite the fact that production was discontinued in 1998, it still is able to compete in terms of value and performance. Only recently has the competition caught up."

[Don Juan]

I like both cars, but if I have to choose I'll go with the Vette, supras are incredible expensive, for some maybe worth the money, not for me...

[Kumacho]

gotta love google translator





"While I agree that corvettes are very efficient and great performing vehicles I firmly believe that the Toyota Supra was far ahead of it's time. Despite the fact that production was discontinued in 1998, it still is able to compete in terms of value and performance. Only recently has the competition caught up."

LOL! Thanks Nocturnal.

I think he is forgetting a rather important thing though... The Vette didn't have to catch up with the Supra. The first 2jz Twin Turbo supra was produced in 1993 and it still paled in comparison to the ZR1 Corvette that was built THREE years prior to the introduction of the Supra.

The single largest reason the ZR1 was not a big seller sure wasn't its performance. It was more the fact that there was little to distinguish it from the normal C4 Corvettes (well besides the performance).

In the year that the Supra was made into a true world-class sports car; the ZR1 was producing 405 hp (many say this number was underrated) out of a dual overhead cam 4V engine.

It is my opinion that his statement is exactly what the OP is talking about. I didn’t want to turn this into a debate as both cars are good cars. Making suppositions that are not based in fact is a true sign of a fanboi.

The Supra was a great car! There is no way to argue differently. But to make a statement that it set the bar that the Corvette didn't achieve until after the production of the Supra is ignorant at best.

[GeicoGecko]

Supras fucking rock! go to youtube, and type in "supra racing" and watch the one that has a picture of a gauge, that is kind of blue. That Supra is amazing...

[EVO_9MR]

well if you are talkin about value for performance..i think a Noble M400 has the Z06 beat senseless...its beats cars like 3-4 times the price..and the dudes in nobleforums know their stuff...there are a couple that have about like 550whp..and with that power to weight ratio...its should be faster than the Mclaren F1..also since they dont rely on technology like tcs or abs..the weight of the car is low...i think one guy has an m400 that maxes like 2.5 lateral g on the track...plus the reliability is pretty good...i think it uses a 3.0 liter duratec


nobles are fast and quick handling, but 2.5 g? that sounds like pure bullshit. In Sport Compact Car's skidpad test, a formula one car had a skidpad rating of 1.3, and a superkart's skidpad was 1.39. So you're telling me that it pulls more lateral G's than a formula one car.

[GNARF]

nobles are fast and quick handling, but 2.5 g? that sounds like pure bullshit. In Sport Compact Car's skidpad test, a formula one car had a skidpad rating of 1.3, and a superkart's skidpad was 1.39. So you're telling me that it pulls more lateral G's than a formula one car.
well nobles stock generate about like 1.05 on the skidpad...but i think this guy had 315 rear tires, reinforced clamshell and an adjustable wing...btw he hit 2.5 at sebring...not sure how much power he has..but having a car that outhandles a lotus, has more comfort, better accel.. etcetc the Noble is one hell of a car...heres the link
http://www.nobleforums.com/showthread.php?t=1821&page=3
scroll down and look at the data table...

[clutch-monkey]

isn't noble broke? :confused: or thy sold out or something?

[GNARF]

isn't noble broke? :confused: or thy sold out or something?
not too sure...the American distributer is actually making their own company called Rossion...supposed to have similar performance as the M400 with more luxury...i think Noble UK sold their rights to make a new model..the Noble M15???..

[break3r]

How much are nobles?

[522viper]

Civic pwns all

Your words are poison.

[GNARF]

How much are nobles?
around 70k-85k...you can only buy them used because all 220 were sold..