China’s cyber army is preparing to march on America, says Pentagon

[Henkie]

Chinese military hackers have prepared a detailed plan to disable America’s aircraft battle carrier fleet with a devastating cyber attack, according to a Pentagon report obtained by The Times.

The blueprint for such an assault, drawn up by two hackers working for the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), is part of an aggressive push by Beijing to achieve “electronic dominance” over each of its global rivals by 2050, particularly the US, Britain, Russia and South Korea.

China’s ambitions extend to crippling an enemy’s financial, military and communications capabilities early in a conflict, according to military documents and generals’ speeches that are being analysed by US intelligence officials. Describing what is in effect a new arms race, a Pentagon assessment states that China’s military regards offensive computer operations as “critical to seize the initiative” in the first stage of a war.

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article2409865.ece

Sounds pretty scary, I'ld say.

[Papero]

As long as I have a shotgun and a goat no chinaman will enter my land.

[csite]

crippling american financially = china being crippled financially itself! China is given too much credit, they are actually pretty crap in terms of military and technology, they can copy you good, they just cant come up with their own stuff. Sounds to me more like fear mongering than anything else, besides america has thousands of such plans themselves!

[rand0m]

Thats right csite, China, America, Europe the entire western world will crumple in fear over the mighty powerful iran ...

China could take on 100 irans and still come out laughing ...

[Thomson]

What the fuck has Iran got to do with anything?

[NTR]

Holy crap rand0m, that was... uh... random...

Don't hijack threads.

[anti-liberal]

This info-cyber-warfare is nothing new. In fact, its probly China's only real advantage against us militarily - not to say its much of one, or even existant for all I know. Their military has had virtually no experiance recently. I mean, oppressing your own population can be difficult, but its nothing compared to literally hundreds of combat deployments over a period of less than 35 years.

[esl21]

Thats right csite, China, America, Europe the entire western world will crumple in fear over the mighty powerful iran ...

China could take on 100 irans and still come out laughing ...

What the fuck is up your ass? It seems you try and grab for any handholds that allow you to try and attack Iran. I can see this happening soon:

Shade: Ron Paul wins debate!
rand0m: The West will crush Iran! Even if Iran somehow multiplied!
Shade: Wtf?

Also, China and Iran aren't exactly enemies. In fact, they have a common friend, Pakistan.

[shade]

This info-cyber-warfare is nothing new. In fact, its probly China's only real advantage against us militarily - not to say its much of one, or even existant for all I know. Their military has had virtually no experiance recently. I mean, oppressing your own population can be difficult, but its nothing compared to literally hundreds of combat deployments over a period of less than 35 years.

They can still raise a 300 million man army.

[Papero]

I've been taught in the art of windows vista, I can block any hacker from the US with ctrl+pause break

[L1mp_3rection]

They can still raise a 300 million man army.

Thats all fine and dandy for defensive pruposes. But invading a country with 300 million is a logistics nightmare.

[JackFlak]

They can still raise a 300 million man army.


Sure they may be able to raise a 300 million man army, but the real question is, can they properly, if at all, train a 300 million man army?

[VoltiSubito]

Describing what is in effect a new arms race, a Pentagon assessment states that China’s military regards offensive computer operations as “critical to seize the initiative” in the first stage of a war.

Sounds pretty scary, I'ld say.

Scary? Not really. This has been going on for a while. Any country that wants to remain relevant in the next 50 years needs to be preparing these kinds of offenses/defenses. The US is working up this type of offenses... don't know about UK, etc... but if they want to defend themselves in the event of a war, they should be.

[DarkTalon]

crippling american financially = china being crippled financially itself! China is given too much credit, they are actually pretty crap in terms of military and technology, they can copy you good, they just cant come up with their own stuff. Sounds to me more like fear mongering than anything else, besides america has thousands of such plans themselves!
i thought you left us Csite :wave:
the pictures forum is in desperate need of you.

[scavenger]

All you need for a system no one can hack into is a system that isn't connected to anything. Usually you do want to connect to other stuff, like the internet, but a computer controlling missiles only needs to be connected to the missiles. That kind of thing. Unless the military is EXTREMELY stupidly designed, hacking into the Pentagon won't have a direct effect on really important stuff like that. They may, however, be able to steal important knowledge like where our soldiers are.

[Henkie]

But that's harder than you might think. Because if you can get access to the right line between the computer and the Missile, you can hack it aswell. It's a bit harder, but not impossible.

[scavenger]

Hmm... I guess it depends on how the missile is controlled. If there's a satellite that relays orders between the computer and the missile, then yeah, someone might be able to hack into the satellite. But if it's just a direct radio from computer to missile, then all you need is the equivalent of PGP to encrypt communications.

[GenralisimoHanz]

Meh, if it's true we're screwed. Chinese have extremely high APM and awesome micro skills.

[[/color="RAIN"]]

China can get their horney fucking men to hump and create an army with large numbers, or use them to replace those sent into war.. But what the fuck do numbers have to do anything? Who has the fucking time to train 300,000,000 soldiers anyways?

I'm willing to bet that if they do some bullshit like that america will clean them off and the back of the line will trip over the dead front.

(Anyways, come on. With all the damned gang violence some fucking chinese people pull some shit how do you think they'll respond? Do some crack then do a driveby? Comeon!)

[DarkTalon]

All you need for a system no one can hack into is a system that isn't connected to anything. Usually you do want to connect to other stuff, like the internet, but a computer controlling missiles only needs to be connected to the missiles. That kind of thing. Unless the military is EXTREMELY stupidly designed, hacking into the Pentagon won't have a direct effect on really important stuff like that. They may, however, be able to steal important knowledge like where our soldiers are.

so are you suggesting we give our nuclear commanders word of a retaliatory strike via a mail carrier on a horse?

[scavenger]

so are you suggesting we give our nuclear commanders word of a retaliatory strike via a mail carrier on a horse?

I'm speaking only of the system that controls the missile itself. Communication with the guys that press the button is a different issue; we can talk to them normally (i.e. video and voice connection), because it's impossible to duplicate that.

[Rapture]

Good thing our top secret and secret networks aren't connected to the intrawebs. Hard to hack into something that you don't actually have access to. Our confidential and unclassified lines are hooked up to the internet, though... but who the hell cares to be honest.

[400exXx]

Good thing our top secret and secret networks aren't connected to the intrawebs. Hard to hack into something that you don't actually have access to. Our confidential and unclassified lines are hooked up to the internet, though... but who the hell cares to be honest.

How do you know top secret information isn't connected to the internet?

[thaboss]

honestly yall all got it VERY wrong. they wont fucking hack through our military shit and set off a missile or anything. when war is conserned (look into history) the first thing that is done is cutting off all lines of communication. in the past, disabling communication networks were a physical act, as in dropping a bomb on the places that control them. Now, considering that a vast majority of our communications are interconnected via computers, that right there poses a serious threat. even if they dont target the actual military lines of communication and strictly target the civilian networks nationwide, this country would be in chaos.
Like i said before, it will be very hard to break through the military networks but once you are able to shut down or fuck up communication in a country why not try and mess with their financial networks. if that area gets 'hacked' AND our communications are down, THEN we are totally fucked. plain and simple.
I'm not totally worried about this situation cause i'm sure we have a few people in place to combat a threat like that on a small scale. But, if they've been training a large amount of people in 'cyber-warfare' its deffinately a SERIOUS threat not to take lightly. Yea we could go over there and drop bombs and shit and kill a shit ton of people. but if they Fuck up our communications, finances and maybe military networks then our lives would be much more shitty than the people we kill if we bomb them. truth...



edit: PS. 500 posts bitch!

pss. networks dont have to be on the internet to be able to penetrate/hack it...

[CtrlAltDelete]

This is just a scare tactic. It's bullshit.

You don't just go HACKING into things, especially not the US military shit.

Hackers (movie) != RL

[CtrlAltDelete]

pss. networks dont have to be on the internet to be able to penetrate/hack it...


Sure, but you have to actually be able to connect to the network.

[Nocturnal]

Time to unplug China from the interwebz.

China cat is in ur webz, stealn ur taiwanz

I doubt our Navy is that connected to the Net.
They can still raise a 300 million man army.

Lot's of ocean to swim over though. ;)

[Rapture]

How do you know top secret information isn't connected to the internet?

Top Secret SCI Clearance + 3c051 = I know. *wink*

[BlueQuarter]

As long as I have a shotgun and a goat no chinaman will enter my land.

You sound like an Iraq 'As long as I have a shotgun and a goat no American will enter my land.'

[david_slupper]

The DoD pretty much invented the internet, I'm pretty sure they have a few counter plans up their sleeve.

[Dreamcast]

Honestly you guys have misunderstood this. They won't fucking hack through our military shit and set off a missile or anything. When war is concerned (look into history) the first thing that is done is cutting off all lines of communication. In the past, disabling communication networks were a physical act, as in dropping a bomb on the places that control them. Now, considering that a vast majority of our communications are interconnected via computers, that right there poses a serious threat. Even if they don't target the actual military lines of communication and strictly target the civilian networks nationwide, this country would be in chaos.
Like I said before, it will be very hard to break through the military networks but once you are able to shut down or fuck up communication in a country why not try and mess with their financial networks. if that area gets 'hacked' AND our communications are down, THEN we are totally fucked. plain and simple.
I'm not totally worried about this situation cause I'm sure we have a few people in place to combat a threat like that on a small scale. But, if they've been training a large amount of people in 'cyber-warfare' its definitely a SERIOUS threat not to take lightly. Ya, we could go over there and drop bombs and shit and kill a shit ton of people. But if they fuck up our communications, finances and maybe military networks then our lives would be much more shitty than the people we kill if we bomb them. Truth... (<--- Fragment sentence)

Please LEARN ENGLISH.

What about the poor South Koreans? :(

[pat99872]

Just bomb their rice fields. Then they would eventually starve and die off like pack rats.

[cbm]

i got norton bitches!!!!!