NYTimes: "Halo 3 is Halo 2 with somewhat better graphics."

[eprops]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/technology/circuits/27games.html?_r=2&ref=circuits&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Surprising enough there are people who actually agree with this 100%

[BunchtheHobo]

That's because it IS true.

My friend just got his copy; I tried it out, and I would say that Halo 3 is pretty much an expansion pack to Halo 2. That's it.

[Fender]

thats pretty much what most game sequels are. what do you want them to do, make it a third person shooter this time?

[SlOtH]

Halo 3 is more like a patch.

[Papero]

What the fuck is it supposed to be?

There's always people giving "same old same old" reviews but NEVER EVER can come up with something that the game should of added to make it new and exciting.

The reason for that is THERE IS NO LONGER A WAY FOR GAMES TO BE NEW AND EXCITING. They can't be revolutionary, everything has been thought of.

Fuck you all and fuck the reviewers.

[Nocturnal]

Don't worry, Halo 4 will be an RPG, that way people won't say that sort of thing.

In related news.

Doom II was just Doom with better graphics and more weapons... zomgz

I don't mind that people don't like the game, plenty of "good" popular games out there that I don't care for. My complaint is that the popularity of the game encourages detractors to hold it to some rediculous standard.

[USB]

Thats bullshit. The second i started halo 3 it felt 20 times different.

[yamahadrummer]

Thats bullshit. The second i started halo 3 is felt 20 times different.

OFT. also, the graphics are about 100x better. seriously, have you seen the HDR in it?? some of the best ive seen.

[Kimkalisto]

I heard the depth is suppose to be good. like can you see for miles without it going jagged?

[sparrky]

oh god, the game looks to good.

fun as shit too, above and beyond my expectations in everyway.

a perfect game.

[USB]

oh god, the game looks to good.

fun as shit too, above and beyond my expectations in everyway.

a perfect game.

qft. I swear people were bitching about the graphics, they're amazing!

[IGneois]

yep. and the title only changed the 2 ... to a 3... WHAT THE FUCK!!


shit they are trying to trick us.

[Total Madman]

Halo 2 was total shit, it didn't even feel like a Halo game.

Halo 3 is an amazing game, it just feels better and is superb compared to the atrocity that was Halo 2. To be honest, all I've been thinking whilst playing it through is "this is what Halo 2 should have been like". I think it's because half the shit they promised yet cut out of Halo 2 they included in Halo 3.

[BYOB(SOAD)]

The reason for that is THERE IS NO LONGER A WAY FOR GAMES TO BE NEW AND EXCITING. They can't be revolutionary, everything has been thought of.



Not True !!!!

[Nocturnal]

Halo 2 was total shit, it didn't even feel like a Halo game.

Halo 3 is an amazing game, it just feels better and is superb compared to the atrocity that was Halo 2. To be honest, all I've been thinking whilst playing it through is "this is what Halo 2 should have been like". I think it's because half the shit they promised yet cut out of Halo 2 they included in Halo 3.

Excellent, I've been hoping the deficiencies of H2 (which I still greatly enjoyed) would be fixed.

Now if only MS would hurry up and repair my damn 360.

[BunchtheHobo]

The reason for that is THERE IS NO LONGER A WAY FOR GAMES TO BE NEW AND EXCITING. They can't be revolutionary, everything has been thought of.


Go look up the game "Portal" and tell me it isn't revolutionary.

EDIT:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_%28video_game%29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb7aDZeO_MQ

[BigMac]

The reason for that is THERE IS NO LONGER A WAY FOR GAMES TO BE NEW AND EXCITING. They can't be revolutionary, everything has been thought of.

Fuck you all and fuck the reviewers.

Simpsons did it! Simpsons did it!

[B-MetalSucks]

thats pretty much what most game sequels are. what do you want them to do, make it a third person shooter this time?
Flame away if need be but I think the most fun parts are when you are shooting that big ass gun in 3rd person view. So yeah, make it a third person shooter. :bigwink:

[xeoset]

Go look up the game "Portal" and tell me it isn't revolutionary.

EDIT:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_%28video_game%29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb7aDZeO_MQ

Isn't it only meant to be around 6 hours long, no multiplayer or online capabilities? If so, it's hardly even a game.

Anyway.

How the fuck can you say Halo 3 looks like Halo 2? Has nobody seen the shit like HDR in H3? That plus the caves before you head to Voi makes the walls look real as fuck.

But all the innovation and realism in the world can't make a fun game, let alone one as fun as Halo 3 was. It was sheer excellence, a can of pure awesome. Fuck the haters who can't enjoy an amazing game.

[IPWN3DURMOM]

The Halo series never really looked all that interesting to me. Gears of War looked pretty badass though ill give that to the xbox fags.

[eprops]

Isn't it only meant to be around 6 hours long, no multiplayer or online capabilities? If so, it's hardly even a game.


I beg to differ. As long as you can pick up and play again then thats all that matters. Pacing is something that I look for in games.

A good example would be Half-Life 2 EP1 and Doom3. EP1 is 4 hours long and was very carefully constructed in it's levels and had set piece encounters and puzzles the whole way through. Doom 3 was 15 hours long and 12 of which was spent going through identical looking hallways. They easily could have cut 5-8 hours of hallway walking and added another boss or two and I would have liked the game so much more.

And not just FPS, Sly Cooper was a short game that had a lot of cool levels and I couldn't put the game down. And I'm recently replaying Heavenly Sword in Hell Mode trying to unlock 129 items.

Edit: Damn I totally went off topic with this thread lol

Edit: Back on topic, I don't get the Halo 2 feeling from this. I really really disliked Halo 2, it felt slower than Halo except Live kept it alive. Halo 3 doesn't feel shitty so therefore Halo 3 =! Halo 2

[camjoe87]

I dunno, Halo 3 feels more like Halo: Combat Evolved for me ... And that's a real good thing.

I was also let down a bit by Halo 2 but, the multiplayer made up for what the single player lacked.

[Osiris5217]

Halo 3 is far from halo 2, it was balanced, new vehicles, new mechanics, everything wasn't "Get teh super wepen and u win". The story was deep with some good twists. People who say that halo 3 is halo 2 with better graphics is just a biased asshole.

[Papero]

Go look up the game "Portal" and tell me it isn't revolutionary.

EDIT:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_%28video_game%29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb7aDZeO_MQ

LOL? Being able to make portals = revolutionary? GOOD GOD, it looks like someone went a little crazy with Gmod. Since when was copying things from a previous series revolutionary? I don't think anyone even knows the meaning of revolutionary, but they do know the meaning of prick snobby asshole.

So if Halo 3 had portals it would then be the best game ever made?

Horribly weak argument, mine still stands, new and individual no longer exists.

Not True !!!!

Same to you

Simply a bunch of shit talkers that have nothing better to do, Halo 3 is a kick ass game and that's final.

[Well Me]

Halo 2 was total shit, it didn't even feel like a Halo game.

Halo 3 is an amazing game, it just feels better and is superb compared to the atrocity that was Halo 2. To be honest, all I've been thinking whilst playing it through is "this is what Halo 2 should have been like". I think it's because half the shit they promised yet cut out of Halo 2 they included in Halo 3.

Go fucking die. (http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=34&page=2&order=desc)

[clutch-monkey]

bs, halo 3 is waaay fucking better than the dog turd they call halo 2. not that it takes much, but it's genuinely a good, fun game.

[Doh616]

Yeah the first place I go for VIDEO GAME reviews is the New York Times....:lmao:

[SwyfT]

This topic right here is paramount proof that all Bungie ever needs to do is up the gfx and switch around some things every year to rake in the millions.

I played Halo 3, I wasn't impressed. I haven't been sense Halo: CE.
This series is turning into the Dynasty Warriors of FPSs, and I laugh.

[Slick37c]

Being able to download files straight from bungie's forums into your game alone is enough innovation to satisfy me. I'd love to see it in PC games.

[DrGyro]

anybody think that halo 3 kicks super fucking ass? i did my first onine halo 3 game on tuesday, and as soon as i loaded it up i noticed the big difference between 2 and 3. 3 feels more realistic, more tied to 1. 2 imo was a very good game,but i honestly think 3 rapes 2 i nthe ass. anybody who says 3 is a 2 ripoff is just plain ignorant. 3 also feels different in the campaign, since they added more shit and it looks and feels completely different. its a superb game.

[rand0m]

It doesn’t really matter what reviewers say, though. Halo 3 is not just a game: it is a phenomenon fueled by obsessed fans, slick advertising and excessive press coverage (of which I find myself a part).

I like this part, because it is so true. The only reason Halo 3 is getting such hype is because of the obsessive fans and microsofts $10 million marketing campaign.

Spending hours hyping up your game may make you think you will enjoy it more, but it doesn't fill that hole in your soul.

[xeoset]

I like this part, because it is so true. The only reason Halo 3 is getting such hype is because of the obsessive fans and microsofts $10 million marketing campaign.

Spending hours hyping up your game may make you think you will enjoy it more, but it doesn't fill that hole in your soul.

How many 100% Reviews did Halo 3 get again? How many people that have played Halo 3 in this Thread alone have said it is one of the best games they've ever played?

Yeah, they equal a void :rollseyes

[rand0m]

Yeah how many are obsessive fans like yourself getting a swag bag right before they review?

[ItchyItchyFace]

You can't deny that Halo 3 owes its success partially to marketing and hype.

And a lot of people find it enjoyable, which also explains part of its success.

[Nocturnal]

You can't deny that Halo 3 owes its success partially to marketing and hype.

And a lot of people find it enjoyable, which also explains part of its success.

I don't understand this argument. Hype only brings success for games that the public is not familiar with, people have an idea what H3 is all about. Does anyone think the Halo fans would be less excited if MS had not run any TV commercials?

[dextersmom]

I heard the depth is suppose to be good. like can you see for miles without it going jagged?

yep...its crazy even on a non hidef tv the views are astounding....i've only played a little so far but i've found that half the time i'm busy looking at the surroundings rather than whats trying to kill me.....apparently its intended to be enjoyed in hidef....i can't wait to see that.

[IGneois]

you know..they are able to ..you know..hype up the game because it is a success. its not like people just said "hey...halo 2..i see it everywhere..ITS AWESOME"

damn its a good game stop bitching. most the people saying it sucks havent even played it.


killzone 2 sucks

[Papero]

I don't understand this argument. Hype only brings success for games that the public is not familiar with, people have an idea what H3 is all about. Does anyone think the Halo fans would be less excited if MS had not run any TV commercials?

Well honestly my 72 year old grandmother was interested in what Halo was after seeing the commercial ten times a day. She had no idea what I was talking about while I explained it to her but she still was intrigued.

I'm sure the hype would of been pretty close with or without commercials. Regardless of it all Halo 3 is one of the best games to hit the X360.

[rand0m]

I don't mind Halo 3 however the over hyping and 'zomg best game of ze century XD' is just pure shit.

[xeoset]

you know..they are able to ..you know..hype up the game because it is a success. its not like people just said "hey...halo 2..i see it everywhere..ITS AWESOME"

damn its a good game stop bitching. most the people saying it sucks havent even played it.


killzone 2 sucks

I don't mind Halo 3 however the over hyping and 'zomg best game of ze century XD' is just pure shit.

Yeah. I agree with IGneois.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Halo, as a franchise, is mediocre. There's nothing really special about the game. It doesn't expand the FPS genre in any way. Halo is very well designed, but I don't care how well you build a dog house, it's still a dog house.

People mention the hype behind the game, and they're right. Master Chief is practically a photocopy of the DOOM guy, but he's obtained much more recognition by the masses because of the publicity driving Halo. Microsoft was able to capture a new market with Halo, and that market thinks the game is the most awesome thing ever because they've never played the other FPS games out there.

I used to have a room mate. Typical frat boy type. He thought Halo was awesome. He had never played DOOM, Quake, or Unreal Tournament. I introduced him to those. He's now a hardcore UT player, and enjoys it more than Halo, but keeps going back to Master Chief because it was his first FPS game.

Those of us that started playing FPS's when games like Wolfenstein came out knew better. Halo hit the shelves, we were caught by the hype, and we were unimpressed.

[Crazy Ramen]

I played my friends' version, there wasn't much media hype here in the UK but I don't think it is a great game, the multiplayer is the same as the BETA I didn't notice any differences (more maps and game types aside...) and although the campaign story may be interesting, it is just Halo 2 with more atmosphere.

[SwyfT]

Halo, as a franchise, is mediocre. There's nothing really special about the game. It doesn't expand the FPS genre in any way. Halo is very well designed, but I don't care how well you build a dog house, it's still a dog house.

Those of us that started playing FPS's when games like Wolfenstein came out knew better. Halo hit the shelves, we were caught by the hype, and we were unimpressed.

QFT
I actually liked Halo:CE. Back then it WAS something somewhat innovative. Then when Halo 2 came I realized it for the re-hash it was. Played it for 2 days and gave up. Now this steaming pile hits the shelves.

Go on the Gamefaqs boards and even reviewers have the "time-tested" slogan of "if it isn't broke, dont fix it". Well if it isn't fucking broke then why remake it in the first place?

Oh thats right, to rake in cash. Now you may ask, "SwyfT, why are you so fucking butthurt over Halo 3? Get over it you whiny bitch."

It's because when you get $170million in sales the first day your teaching game companies something. To find something so simplistic yet well designed and to keep pumping out different copies. Other actual innovative and different games are being run down by this Behemoth, just like HL2 got run down by Halo2. Now Portal, crysis, and any other game around Halo 3's release are going to be stripped down and beaten.

[ChocoChipCamo]

QFT
I actually liked Halo:CE. Back then it WAS something somewhat innovative. Then when Halo 2 came I realized it for the re-hash it was. Played it for 2 days and gave up. Now this steaming pile hits the shelves.

Go on the Gamefaqs boards and even reviewers have the "time-tested" slogan of "if it isn't broke, dont fix it". Well if it isn't fucking broke then why remake it in the first place?

Oh thats right, to rake in cash. Now you may ask, "SwyfT, why are you so fucking butthurt over Halo 3? Get over it you whiny bitch."

It's because when you get $170million in sales the first day your teaching game companies something. To find something so simplistic yet well designed and to keep pumping out different copies. Other actual innovative and different games are being run down by this Behemoth, just like HL2 got run down by Halo2. Now Portal, crysis, and any other game around Halo 3's release are going to be stripped down and beaten.

One title:
Super Mario Brothers.

Whether or not that game was made famous off of tons of advertising, or just because it got rammed down our throats more than any other series out there, it's definitely an, if not THE, example of an over-exploited series.

I agree that advertising played a major role in Halo 3's success. Honestly, wouldn't you want to check out a game whose main character got immortalized in some wax museum for god knows what reason? That definitely had to have raised some interest in people unbeknownst to the series.

I played Halo 3 the other day at a friend's and it was fun. Not anything I'd want to play for myself because the section of the story portrayed in the campaign mode was predictable with corny dialogue, but gameplay-wise, it was enjoyable. Good atmosphere and well balanced gameplay make it a fun small-party game.

[sKin]

To be honest, all I've been thinking whilst playing it through is "this is what Halo 2 should have been like"

EXACTLY. I said that like twice every level to my friends and they agreed as well. After the first play through on Halo 2, the campaign just gets atrocious. However, on my second play through of Halo 3 with the difficulty ramped up to Legendary, it FUCKING ROCKS. It's still a blast to play - especially with the new feature Campaign Scoring on. Brilliant. (The story still rocks as well... I almost cried at the ending the first time I watched it :lol:)

As to the reviewer of the article, sounds just like Random, different sheep with the same BAAAAAA. Will they every shut the fuck up about something they know so little about?

P.S. Don't get me started about the multi-player in Halo 3. It just fucking rapes. Seriously.

[bobscott]

What the fuck is it supposed to be?

There's always people giving "same old same old" reviews but NEVER EVER can come up with something that the game should of added to make it new and exciting.

The reason for that is THERE IS NO LONGER A WAY FOR GAMES TO BE NEW AND EXCITING. They can't be revolutionary, everything has been thought of.

Fuck you all and fuck the reviewers.

fuck you.

Just because.

[24Hours]

Ok, honestly, that's the biggest load of shit I have ever heard. I love sequels, especially Halo 2 and 3 (Yes, Halo 2 is one of my favorite games of all time. I think Halo 3 is much better though)..but I hate the hype surrounding those games. Some people have their expectations way too high, and that's why their reviews are biased to me. How good can one game be? Honestly, Halo 3 is the definition of perfection. It was improved in many ways while keeping its' formula that many gamers die for. You can't change that formula around... like I always say, "if it's not broken, don't fix it."

The only thing Bungie needed to fix were the graphics, which they did, and regardless of what anyone says, the game is downright fucking beautiful.

You have one of the best storylines ever in a FPS, beautiful graphics, an epic soundtrack that you love to hear while playing the game, and gameplay that makes people cum! So with a new storyline, new music, much improved graphics, new weapons, new multi-player modes such as online co-op, and much more, how can anyone call Halo 3 an update?

[SwyfT]

Some people have their expectations way too high, and that's why their reviews are biased to me. How good can one game be? Honestly, Halo 3 is the definition of perfection.


Lol...wut?


You can't change that formula around... like I always say, "if it's not broken, don't fix it."




Go on the Gamefaqs boards and even reviewers have the "time-tested" slogan of "if it isn't broke, dont fix it". Well if it isn't fucking broke then why remake it in the first place?

[PsiRedEye22]

Halo, as a franchise, is mediocre. There's nothing really special about the game. It doesn't expand the FPS genre in any way. Halo is very well designed, but I don't care how well you build a dog house, it's still a dog house.

People mention the hype behind the game, and they're right. Master Chief is practically a photocopy of the DOOM guy, but he's obtained much more recognition by the masses because of the publicity driving Halo. Microsoft was able to capture a new market with Halo, and that market thinks the game is the most awesome thing ever because they've never played the other FPS games out there.

I used to have a room mate. Typical frat boy type. He thought Halo was awesome. He had never played DOOM, Quake, or Unreal Tournament. I introduced him to those. He's now a hardcore UT player, and enjoys it more than Halo, but keeps going back to Master Chief because it was his first FPS game.

Those of us that started playing FPS's when games like Wolfenstein came out knew better. Halo hit the shelves, we were caught by the hype, and we were unimpressed.



These are my thoughts that I could never exactly formulate correctly, and here you do it in a few sentences. Kudos for bringing up Doomguy, I actually never noticed that. I wonder if he actually is just an elaborate ripoff? I don't think so, but the influence is obviously there.

[psychomonkey62]

The Halo series never really looked all that interesting to me. Gears of War looked pretty badass though ill give that to the xbox fags.

I hate you so much.

Not because of your opinion, but the way you state it.

[Knoxxftw]

i really didnt like it at all

the low anti-aliasing didnt help, and the shitty frame rates are yuck.

[Trojan.Exe]

They tweaked PvP. That's about it that I can think of.

[Kenyan]

*ahem* ZOMGZ!!!! HDR!!!! THATZ UBER NEW AND NEVER EVER EVER BEEN DONE BEFORE ALL HAIL MAZTOR CHIEF!!!!!!
*cough*


Havent played halo3, played the beta, not much different than halo2, sure new weapons and new vechiles. But isnt that what excepted of a sequel now days?
The only massive leap in seqeuls ive seen is half-life to half-life2, and only becuase there was a gap of what? 6-7 years?

Halo3 would be/ is awesome depending on what u take it for:
A) ground breaking sequel, omg good graphics and relovutionary gameplay? no, not really.
B) A solid sequel, that improved graphics, added weapons and vechiles, and finished the story line, then yea its what i except.


Hl2 is the only game, beside smb-> super mario world where i was like O my fucking god did u see that?

and for those who have played those games will understand. Will eventually but halo3 when i get around to it, but i know what i am getting and wasnt taken in by the hype machine of microsoft.

[Jenovah]

i really didnt like it at all

the low anti-aliasing didnt help, and the shitty frame rates are yuck.

That's strange, I've seen it at a friends house yesterday and even with tons of flood/covenant on the screen there were NO frame-drops!

Anyway..

Loved Halo, hated Halo 2, adored Halo 3.

[Toretto]

I will most definitely get flamed, but I'm going to say it anyway...

Two weeks ago, I played Bioshock. I was really intrigued and fascinated and therefor gave it an excellent score in my review. I also recommended everyone to buy it.

Just yesterday, I played Halo 3. I'm not saying this game is bad, but it doesn't come close to Bioshock. I guess people just yell it's the best game ever because of the hype that has been created ever since it came out. Halo 1 was a great game, that really impressed me. In halo 2 the single player sucked balls and the multiplayer was cool. In halo 3 the single player is better than in 2 - it couldn't be any worse, but that's besides the point - but it doesn't compare to the original Halo. And I don't even feel like playing the multiplayer because I absolutely hated the atmosphere there was when I played multiplayer in Halo 2.

Would I recommend people who didn't play 1 or 2 to spend their money on Halo 3? Not unless they bought Bioshock, Gears of War and a few other games for the 360 first...

(let the flaming begin)

[Nocturnal]

These are my thoughts that I could never exactly formulate correctly, and here you do it in a few sentences. Kudos for bringing up Doomguy, I actually never noticed that. I wonder if he actually is just an elaborate ripoff? I don't think so, but the influence is obviously there.

Future.
Gun wielding soldier.

That's really the only similarity. Also you guys missed the fact that Doom 1 and Doom 2 featured different characters. :)

[Fender]

this is kinda off topic, but oh well. im going to go get halo 3 today, if i buy the limited edition, what are the chances that it will be scratched? are most of them scratched, or just a few? and if it is, can i exchange it right there at the store, or do i have to send it in to microsoft?

bc if i have to wait a week for them to replace the game that shouldnt even be scratched in the first place, im just gonna get the regular edition one

[kcobain1134]

this is kinda off topic, but oh well. im going to go get halo 3 today, if i buy the limited edition, what are the chances that it will be scratched? are most of them scratched, or just a few? and if it is, can i exchange it right there at the store, or do i have to send it in to microsoft?

bc if i have to wait a week for them to replace the game that shouldnt even be scratched in the first place, im just gonna get the regular edition one

why buy the limited one anyways, y not just get the regular one, do u reallu need it in aluminum casing to play it. or is there something extra u get i dont know about?

[kawi825]

I agree that it really is just halo 2 with better graphics, the online play is way more exciting and the maps are way better. That right there is enough to make me happy

[Fender]

why buy the limited one anyways, y not just get the regular one, do u reallu need it in aluminum casing to play it. or is there something extra u get i dont know about?

it does come with extra stuff, not exactly sure what, but its only 10 bucks more so what hell, might as well get that one

[kazuri]

The reason for that is THERE IS NO LONGER A WAY FOR GAMES TO BE NEW AND EXCITING. They can't be revolutionary, everything has been thought of.

That is the dumbest thing I have ever read on these forums, and thats saying something.

[Thomson]

ok, a little off topic here but multi-player is REALLY boring. the guns seem unbalanced and unsatisfying and the maps are dull.

what can you halo pro's recommend? what will make this game better for me? what's the most fun game mode to play?

[philcoolguy]

I like the feel of Halo 3 a lot better than 2, but some of the levels didn't seem as in depth as the good ones from 2. I guess I miss fighting the Elites, and the Brutes are almost pushovers in this one. Of course, that could be from me only playing the new campaign on heroic, while I always did legendary in Halo 2. But overall, it is a better game than 2, and definately doesn't just feel like it only has upgraded graphics. Which surprised me, I mean, what can you really do with an established FPS? But the subtle changes do really make a difference in the feel.


it does come with extra stuff, not exactly sure what, but its only 10 bucks more so what hell, might as well get that one

You get another disc with making of-type stuff, and an artbook with background from the covenant and whatnot. It was worth the extra $10, IMO. Legendary edition isn't worth double the fucking price, tho.



ok, a little off topic here but multi-player is REALLY boring. the guns seem unbalanced and unsatisfying and the maps are dull.

what can you halo pro's recommend? what will make this game better for me? what's the most fun game mode to play?


Personally, I absolutely hated Halo 2 multiplayer for some reason. The atmosphere was horrible. But I'm addicted to Halo 3's multiplayer. I think the new weapons help out a lot and give you many more strategic options. Plus I really like being able to team up with a few friends for the campaign as well.

[Papero]

I've finally got my Halo 3 in the mail today to have an official opinion.

I've never hooted, hollered, laughed or had such a smile on my face from playing a game in a long, long time. Bioshock was fun but nothing close to Halo 3.

This game so far is nearly perfect.

I also detested Halo 2 multiplayer, it reminded me of HL1 multiplayer, sloppy shit, hated it.

I'll test on Halo 3 multiplayer tomorrow when I get a month card.


That is the dumbest thing I have ever read on these forums, and thats saying something.

I've said this in numerous threads and you faggots just drone on with your bullshit. Revolutionary is a very strong word, I'm sorry but the best load your mother should of swallowed fucks like you can come up with is the game "Portal" which is exactly like every other damn FPS out there but you can "portal(very creative name, /sarcasm)" to get to areas of the game that seem inaccessible.

That's considered revolutionary? You'll possibly reply with "This brand new game with a brand new story line and blah blah RAWKS Halo 3", what do you expect Halo 3 to be? Did you expect it to be completely different from the previous games? The ludicrous, the game has to remain relatively the same so it offers everything the original fans loved. Since when does a creative story equal revolutionary? Since when do higher polygon graphics equal revolutionary?

Since when do improved physics = revolutionary? The only thing that can be considered revolutionary in FPS games are fully manipulative and destructable environments, I'm talking if I want to dig a 10' hole in the ground with an enemies fucking foot, pluck me some mother fucking leafs to cover the hole, hide in it and wait for enemies to walk by. Everything else has been thought of and can only be polished. I can go on and on about this shit but none of you even understand the world revolutionary.

Kill yourself blow jobber

[Bioshock]

the Graphics isn't that great it just like halo 2 graphics and but the character model have great graphic halo 3 has horrible graphics this game sucks anyways and it just big disappointment they could just made like shit in the first place bungie suck my balls

[zigamabob]

Halo, as a franchise, is mediocre. There's nothing really special about the game. It doesn't expand the FPS genre in any way. Halo is very well designed, but I don't care how well you build a dog house, it's still a dog house.

People mention the hype behind the game, and they're right. Master Chief is practically a photocopy of the DOOM guy, but he's obtained much more recognition by the masses because of the publicity driving Halo. Microsoft was able to capture a new market with Halo, and that market thinks the game is the most awesome thing ever because they've never played the other FPS games out there.

I used to have a room mate. Typical frat boy type. He thought Halo was awesome. He had never played DOOM, Quake, or Unreal Tournament. I introduced him to those. He's now a hardcore UT player, and enjoys it more than Halo, but keeps going back to Master Chief because it was his first FPS game.

Those of us that started playing FPS's when games like Wolfenstein came out knew better. Halo hit the shelves, we were caught by the hype, and we were unimpressed.


Hmm well I have played, Doom, original installed from the floppy drive and running on DOS, Wolfenstein, Goldeneye, HL, HL2, BF2, UT, and though Halo3 does nothing innovative to the genre, you can't deny how good it is. It has been pretty much agreed on by halo fans Halo 2 sucked..really really bad.

They pretty much fixed eveything they did wrong in the first two Halos, and then added a whole bunch of extra to keep us happy for a while. Editing a map is nothing new, but editing it while having some of your friends face each other is pretty fun, you get to act like God and make tanks fall from the sky. Having all matches automaticaly saved so you can save the entire match or certain video clips is great. And the game itself is just awesome. They balanced it perfectly, made it look good, and run smooth.

Whoever says this game sucks, or is a rehashed Halo2 needs to actually play the game before they say anything. The NY times enjoy making articles on subjects they know nothing about. Compared to the best FPS Halo3 isn't groundbreaking but just a really awesome game and that's it.

[kazuri]

I did NOT say halo 3 was revolutionary, I said, its FUCKING RETARDED to think that there can never be any new revolutionary things. Anyone who thinks 'everything has been invented', is a fucking nitwit who only relies on other people think for them.

[Papero]

I did NOT say halo 3 was revolutionary, I said, its FUCKING RETARDED to think that there can never be any new revolutionary things. Anyone who thinks 'everything has been invented', is a fucking nitwit who only relies on other people think for them.

Notice you're giving absolutely nothing to prove me wrong.

I'm correct in every single way here, everything has been thought of.

Did I not tell your to kill yourself?

[kazuri]

Yea sure thing haiyaa.

[Papero]

Yea sure thing haiyaa.

Bowl of served

[sKin]

New York is where 9-11 happened, so this is obviously a conspiracy!

Anyways, I disagree with about 50% of you. The Halo series revolutionized the FPS genre for me, and just because you do not feel that way, does not make it so. It is all a matter of opinion anyways.

[kazuri]

Bowl of served

Yep, you'll always be a waiter being as stupid as you are. I'll be sure to leave a big tip for you.

[Papero]

Yep, you'll always be a waiter being as stupid as you are. I'll be sure to leave a big tip for you.

Thanks, I'll probably be making more then you ever will.

[kazuri]

Not with that grammar.

[Papero]

Not with that grammar.

Congratulations, you've lost the fight and have gained a position in my ignore list.

[kazuri]

Like I'd be upset someone who cant figure the difference between 'New revolutionary things will come' and 'halo 3 is revolutionary.' put me on ignore.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Notice you're giving absolutely nothing to prove me wrong.

I'm correct in every single way here, everything has been thought of.

Did I not tell your to kill yourself?

Really? You're saying that in all of the infinite possibilities out there, everything has been already done?

You can't have all of infinity.

Case in point: Check out "Infinity: Quest for Earth" (pun in title unintended). The game is doing things never done in a game before, and it's not done yet. That same concept could be carried to the next level.

There's also a mod for HL2, I can't recall the name wherein two teams battle on board two individual space crafts. The players can either fly a small craft and attack the surface of the opposing battle ship, defend against other small craft in their own, infiltrate the opposing battle ship on foot and attempt to compromise it from within, defend against infiltrators, repair sabotaged equipment, or actually help direct the battleship itself. A concept that's never been executed before in a game on a multiplayer level.

edit:

DOOM 1 and 2 used the same sprites for the player character. I'm not sure if the actual character was supposed to be different in the "story", but we didn't play DOOM for the story. Anyways, DOOM's guy actually looks more like a futuristic space marine than a dude in fancy dirt bike gear. But that's probably just the helmet.

http://www.dirt-bike-tips-and-pics.com/images/dirt-bike-helmet.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/771/771007/halo-3-legendary-edition-20070307043453785-000.jpg

[Papero]

Really? You're saying that in all of the infinite possibilities out there, everything has been already done?

You can't have all of infinity.

Case in point: Check out "Infinity: Quest for Earth" (pun in title unintended). The game is doing things never done in a game before, and it's not done yet. That same concept could be carried to the next level.

There's also a mod for HL2, I can't recall the name wherein two teams battle on board two individual space crafts. The players can either fly a small craft and attack the surface of the opposing battle ship, defend against other small craft in their own, infiltrate the opposing battle ship on foot and attempt to compromise it from within, defend against infiltrators, repair sabotaged equipment, or actually help direct the battleship itself. A concept that's never been executed before in a game on a multiplayer level.

First one isn't a FPS which I've said about half dozen times in this thread and your second one you consider revolutionary?

Honestly, if something is revolutionary it CHANGES THE HOW THAT GAME GENRE IS PLAYED AS A WHOLE IT SET A BRAND NEW STANDARD. That's what a revolution is, the only thing that can start another REVOLUTION for our beloved FPS would be fully destructable and manipulative environments. There is nothing else that can be done, it's all been thought of and whether it's all been executed well can be debated and of course polished.

There's infinite possibilities and you give me two big piece of shit examples, thanks, I can see you put a lot of effort into your argument. You must be easy to keep happy.

I really don't think I'm getting through to anyone seeing as how revolution is perceived by most people as which game gives them the biggest shiniest gun.

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

First one isn't a FPS which I've said about half dozen times in this thread and your second one you consider revolutionary?

Honestly, if something is revolutionary it CHANGES THE HOW THAT GAME GENRE IS PLAYED AS A WHOLE IT SET A BRAND NEW STANDARD. That's what a revolution is, the only thing that can start another REVOLUTION for our beloved FPS would be fully destructable and manipulative environments. There is nothing else that can be done, it's all been thought of and whether it's all been executed well can be debated and of course polished.

There's infinite possibilities and you give me two big piece of shit examples, thanks, I can see you put a lot of effort into your argument. You must be easy to keep happy.

I really don't think I'm getting through to anyone seeing as how revolution is perceived by most people as which game gives them the biggest shiniest gun.

Maybe your definition of revolutionary is different from what's in the dictionary. But I'm not going to argue semantics with you.

I gave two examples that are changing, and have changed the face of their respective genres.

You stated that the only possible next step is real time destructible environments. According to you, that's the only possible way to completely revolutionize the face of the FPS genre. Nothing else would suffice (which is funny, since it's been done).

To that, I say: Real time fluid dynamics. Never done. Currently not feasible with our technology. They're working on it. Fluid that flows realistically and carries it's own weight and forces.

But that's okay, shoot it down again.

[wpccrazy]

That was the best when they expected us to have 2 video cards to get the environment that you could interact with. It is a cool idea but a little ahead of its time.

[Kazimierz]

So i've been playing for the last few days on and off, doing the single player. I really, really don't like the flood levels. Since the first game. Anywho, in response to the first comment, it's fairly true. The jump from Halo 1 to Halo 2 seemed much bigger than the one from Halo 2 to Halo 3. Pulling off the gun turrets is sweet.

[Sxarcisious]

The game is good, i cant understand why some of you people can say it sucks and it is a patch for halo 2.

Patches add to the game, a new game has all COMPLETELY NEW content. Halo 3 has new campaign,maps,ends the story,typs of game variants. Hell you can play fucking baseball!! Not only a FPS but a sports game?!?!

Just get to know how to use the forge and the game has so many more great fun you can do.

Yeah it is gonna look and kinda like halo 2, it does state in the name that it is called HALO dosnt it? You cant expect that it is gonna blow every other halo /fps game out of the water. IT is a very good sequel, and i enjoy it.

[Whodi86]

You know what is fucked up, Bungie admitted that this game is not truly in HD. I think they said it's rendered at 640p instead of 720p to preserve dynamic range. Not a big deal since every 360 scales to the output resolution you're at, and the difference is minimal, but this game doesn't look good enough to warrant a drop in pixels(just look at Bioshock). And didn't Microsoft say they require every game to have 2x AA and have everything run at 720p? What the fuck is going on here? Halo 3 has too many jaggies for a system that touts built in capabilites for offering "free" AA to developers . Did Bungie get really lazy or what?

I like the game a lot, but since this is a flagship title for the 360 that has been in development for three years, doesn't it seem like they cut too many corners, atleast, ones average gamers will notice.

[SwyfT]

You know what's funny? How many of you people immediately denounced Halo 2 as a piece of shit, when before this new steaming pile came out it was nothing but praise.

Interesting...

[waxtaco]

halo 3 sp fucking sux.
halo 3 mp is godly.
the mp is the only reason why i praise this game.

[Osiris5217]

You know what's funny? How many of you people immediately denounced Halo 2 as a piece of shit, when before this new steaming pile came out it was nothing but praise.

Interesting...

Except this one isn't a steaming pile.

[rand0m]

You know what's funny? Xbox 360 fans have constantly attack the Playstation 3's games for having Jaggies, yet their biggest game has a bit too many of them itself.

Personally I couldn't give a shit as long as it doesn't get in the way of gameplay (enemies in distant pixelating out), but i do love how no one is commenting on them in Halo 3.

[Whodi86]

You know what's funny? Xbox 360 fans have constantly attack the Playstation 3's games for having Jaggies, yet their biggest game has a bit too many of them itself.

Personally I couldn't give a shit as long as it doesn't get in the way of gameplay (enemies in distant pixelating out), but i do love how no one is commenting on them in Halo 3.

I've been saying it the day I got Halo 3. For some reason, there are people getting it much worse then others, but as a whole, the game just has way too many jaggies. It doesn't take away from gameplay, but when you keep noticing it everywhere, it can be somewhat distracting.

[drawinger]

Papero, you are such an idiot. Just because you can't think of something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. How can you possible know that everything has been thought of.

Open your mind...:rollseyes

[G-manMET]

First one isn't a FPS which I've said about half dozen times in this thread and your second one you consider revolutionary?

Honestly, if something is revolutionary it CHANGES THE HOW THAT GAME GENRE IS PLAYED AS A WHOLE IT SET A BRAND NEW STANDARD. That's what a revolution is, the only thing that can start another REVOLUTION for our beloved FPS would be fully destructable and manipulative environments. There is nothing else that can be done, it's all been thought of and whether it's all been executed well can be debated and of course polished.

There's infinite possibilities and you give me two big piece of shit examples, thanks, I can see you put a lot of effort into your argument. You must be easy to keep happy.

I really don't think I'm getting through to anyone seeing as how revolution is perceived by most people as which game gives them the biggest shiniest gun.
Just because you can't think of any possibilities, doesn't mean that there aren't. If you would have thought of something, an experience video game programmer would have probably already thought it up. You don't have the expertise really to think of such a revolutionizing idea. (I'm assuming you don't study video games for a living).

[Roameyoe]

I played Halo 3 a few times at my friends house, and I really enjoy the game. However, it doesn't have the greatest graphics, just take a look at Bioshock and GoW, but the gameplay never slows down. Maybe it doesn't look amazing because I played it on a shitty tv.

[clutch-monkey]

^ i agree that it looks shit on an average tV. it looks a lot cleaner in HD or on a monitor. i didn't reallynotice the jaggies that much because it moves quickly

[SwyfT]

Except this one isn't a steaming pile.

You mean until Halo 4 comes out (trilogy my ass, not with $170mil in one day on a tweaked up copy of a copy), THEN it's a steaming pile.

[drawinger]

The reason for that is THERE IS NO LONGER A WAY FOR GAMES TO BE NEW AND EXCITING. They can't be revolutionary, everything has been thought of.



Since when do improved physics = revolutionary? The only thing that can be considered revolutionary in FPS games are fully manipulative and destructable environments, I'm talking if I want to dig a 10' hole in the ground with an enemies fucking foot, pluck me some mother fucking leafs to cover the hole, hide in it and wait for enemies to walk by. Everything else has been thought of and can only be polished. I can go on and on about this shit but none of you even understand the world revolutionary.

Kill yourself blow jobber


You contradicted yourself, cock sucker.

[kevinsmith]

There's also a mod for HL2, I can't recall the name wherein two teams battle on board two individual space crafts. The players can either fly a small craft and attack the surface of the opposing battle ship, defend against other small craft in their own, infiltrate the opposing battle ship on foot and attempt to compromise it from within, defend against infiltrators, repair sabotaged equipment, or actually help direct the battleship itself. A concept that's never been executed before in a game on a multiplayer level.



Kinda sounds like Star Wars Battlefront II to me.

[Osiris5217]

You mean until Halo 4 comes out (trilogy my ass, not with $170mil in one day on a tweaked up copy of a copy), THEN it's a steaming pile.

Here's something to think about. You may not like halo, but a lot of people do. You may think it's overrated shit but again, a lot of people don't share that opinion. But, when halo 4 comes out, we can be here discussing this shit again.

[rand0m]

Honestly, if something is revolutionary it CHANGES THE HOW THAT GAME GENRE IS PLAYED AS A WHOLE IT SET A BRAND NEW STANDARD. That's what a revolution is, the only thing that can start another REVOLUTION for our beloved FPS would be fully destructable and manipulative environments. There is nothing else that can be done, it's all been thought of and whether it's all been executed well can be debated and of course polished.

There's infinite possibilities and you give me two big piece of shit examples, thanks, I can see you put a lot of effort into your argument. You must be easy to keep happy.

I really don't think I'm getting through to anyone seeing as how revolution is perceived by most people as which game gives them the biggest shiniest gun.

More advance AI, not just smarter enemies, actual advanced AI.
Complete physicalisation of all the enviroments, DMM on everything.
Merging of different game genres, MMOFPS
New input devices and output devices to give a more immersive play