WHY!!!???

[bassist]

Why the fuck is this world surrounded by horrible horrible music all the time..........Britney spears, My chemica romance, All american rejects soulja boy....for fuck sakes this list goes on and on. Why don't people know what differs between good music and horrible garbage! Fuckin shit, absolute shit!

[asdfkjhg]

most people don't have time to really listen to music so they like things with simple melodies and whatnot. that's my guess

[LogDawg]

Soulja Boy Off In This Hoe
Watch Me Lean And Watch Me Rock
Super Man Dat Hoe
Then Watch Me Crank Dat Robocop
Super Fresh, Now Watch Me Jock
Jocking On Them Haterz Man
When I Do Dat Soulja Boy
I Lean To The Left And Crank Dat Dance
(Now You)
I'm Jocking On Yo Bitch Ass
And If We Get The Fightin
Then I'm Cocking On Your Bitch
You Catch Me At Yo Local Party
Yes I Crank It Everyday
Haterz Get Mad Cuz
"I Got Me Some Bathin Apes"

[ahaga]

nobody wants to put the effort into thinking about music to understand it.

[esruC]

"I Got Me Some Bathin Apes"

LOL WUT?

Bathin Apes? WTF?

[LogDawg]

LOL WUT?

Bathin Apes? WTF?
It's clothing for retards. http://www.nicekicks.com/bape-sta-bathing-apes.php

[Bicepto]

so this is basically a thread stateing what we already know: all rap sucks.

[McGerkins]

It's clothing for retards. http://www.nicekicks.com/bape-sta-bathing-apes.php
Wow, that is some extremely gay looking clothes. Is that the new gangsta style these days? What's wrong with this world?


Also, those shoes are retarded looking.

[ftbllplr]

Super soak that hoe.

[Blazt Furnace]

Who really gives a damn? Leave these people to their "garbage": It's obviously what works for them.

[h4z4rd]

Some people are just simple minded. Shitty music appeals to them because they can't comprehend the complexity and scope of good music. It's the same with movies. It amazes me how some people will go to see the dumbest fucking movies with the lamest plots (or lack of plot)...it makes me wonder what the hell's going on in their head.

[hole in the sky]

what does everyone in this thread listen to?

[bassist]

. It amazes me how some people will go to see the dumbest fucking movies with the lamest plots (or lack of plot)...it makes me wonder what the hell's going on in their head.



I think of that all the time.......what does go on in their head?


what does everyone in this thread listen to?

Tool
Pink Floyd
Deftones
Isis
King Crimson
Zeppelin
Sabbath
Metallica(old stuff with cliff burton)
Radiohead
Rage Against the machine
Jaco Pastorius
Weather Report



the list goes on..........

[gosh]

My view is that music is force fed on gullible people by corporate companies more interested in making money than music. Hence, songs that sound like no more than a ring tone are made and bought by children.

Seems more common that people buy music because they are TOLD it is good by the media rather than making their own mind up.

If I want to listen to quality music by quality musicians, I steer clear of mainstream radio and tv.

But the guy is right. The music industry does seem to be in a bit of crisis at the moment. RAP, R&B, Hip Hop, soul, garage etc, etc ad infinitum. It's been done to death and is beyond a joke.

We need something new to shake up the scene.

[bassist]

My view is that music is force fed on gullible people by corporate companies more interested in making money than music. Hence, songs that sound like no more than a ring tone are made and bought by children.

Seems more common that people buy music because they are TOLD it is good by the media rather than making their own mind up.

If I want to listen to quality music by quality musicians, I steer clear of mainstream radio and tv.

But the guy is right. The music industry does seem to be in a bit of crisis at the moment. RAP, R&B, Hip Hop, soul, garage etc, etc ad infinitum. It's been done to death and is beyond a joke.

We need something new to shake up the scene.



i don't think we need something NEW, if anything we need something TRUE

[Son of God]

Who really gives a damn? Leave these people to their "garbage": It's obviously what works for them.

Says the guy who wrote this (http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=231286).

[Daucus Karota]

what does everyone in this thread listen to?
:wave:


Black Sabbath
The Stooges
Marilyn Manson
Alice In Chains
Pearl Jam
The Clash
Rites Of Spring
Nirvana
Cinema Strange
Christian Death(Rozz)
Mayhem
Diamanda Galas
Soundgarden
Iggy Pop
The Damned
David Bowie
Rozz Williams
Free
Dissection
Sex Pistols
Bauhaus
The Ramones
Dead Boys
Roxy Music
The Sisters Of Mercy
Social Distortion
Virgin Prunes
Brian Eno
Dead Can Dance

[JesusTheJedi]

i don't think we need something NEW, if anything we need something TRUE

God damnit dude, you corny fucking bastard.

[Kellenator]

Rites Of Spring
LAWLZ ur teh emo! Rites of Spring are great!

[yamahadrummer]

what does everyone in this thread listen to?

DREAM THEATER, machine head, Brown Brigade, Into eternity, the smashing pumpkins, muse, Ankla, Job For a Cowboy, sublime, spineshank, The Beatles, In Flames, Megadeth, Metallica, Liquid Tension Experiment, Disturbed, Opeth, Slipknot, Rush, Jimi Hendrix, The Byrds, Jefferson Airplane, Coal Chamber, Slayer, Journey, Styx, Pink Floyd, Linkin park, Limp Bizkit, Korn, Avenged Sevenfold, Steve Miller Band, Through The Eyes of the Dead, Therion, Bloodhound Gang, The All American Rejects, Head P.E., Lacuna Coil, Stone Sour, Shadows Fall, Lamb of God, Godsmack, Bob Seger, Tool, My Chemical romance, Incuibus, Cypress Hill, Rage Against The Machine, Audioslave, Soundgarden, pearl Jam, Nirvana, Sum 41, The Eagles, Lenard Skynard, 311. Mastodon, Chevelle, Finger Eleven, Eminem, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Franz Ferdinand, Fuel, Killswitch Engage, Mudvayne, Nine Inch Nails, Outkast, P.O.D., Primus, Public Enemy, Queens of the Stoneage, Red Hot Chile Peppers, Sevendust, Skindred, Staind, System of a Down, Tenacious D, Weezer, Radiohead, Drums and Tuba, Pink Floyd, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, The Pixies, Mad Capsule Markets, Massive Attack, Wu-Tang clan, Trans-Siberian Orchestra, and Tchaikovsky.

that work for ya?:p

[bassist]

God damnit dude, you corny fucking bastard.

HAHAHA as corny as it is......It's right is it not?

[Roushpimpn]

You know what will really be fucking gay is in like 10 years, when a new generation of kids starts listening to the 2000's and todays music they'll think it will be like Nirvana for us, and they will believe that All American rejects and Fall Out Fag are/were so amazing. Nothing compares to the 70's,80's,90's. Music is becoming shittier by the moment

[Daucus Karota]

I'm glad I moved away from Sweden

apparently hairmetal is really popular over there now and they are having an 80's revival :squint:

[burningcow422]

click the link in my sig

[Blazt Furnace]

Says the guy who wrote this (http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=231286).

Well, yes. Sending a joke letter to a drummer you're not a fan of is very different than spending all this time bitching to people online about how their taste in music sucks.

And the people who say all music today sucks seriously need to look around more. If you're saying it's most of mainstream music today that sucks, that's one thing, but the music scene out there right now is larger than ever. There IS good music out there. Dig around a bit.

[Blazt Furnace]

We need something new to shake up the scene.

This is something that seems incredibly hard to do now. There are so many different genres of music out there now, to try and come up with something new would be forcing yourself. Seriously, noise of the most obnoxious kind is becoming a part of little underground cults.

As for rebellious attitude, I don't know how far we'd get. Then again, I'm not sure how far we'd WANT to get. What do you have to do to be shocking and provoking now? You'd probably have to indulge in necropedophilia on stage. Nobody (real) wants that shit, and for good reason.

All bands nowadays need to do is just do their own thing. If it comes across sounding like a "ripoff" to critics (big whoop, everything sounds like a ripoff to people nowadays), no big deal. I think there's too much emphasis nowadays on technique, and on "crafting an original sound by trying to combine as many arrangement techniques and instruments as possible".

[GiveItAway]

Everyone thinks their taste in music is the best, but someone who listens to Britney Spears probably just doesn't give a shit as much about music as you.

Your question can't be answered, your asking why is there bad music, the fact is the music isn't bad at all, Britney Spears will never put out a weak song, someone will buy the best and get her to sing it. Fundamentally the music is better written and more relevant to the audience than a lot of people give it credit for, if you can write a better song than something Britney sings you'd be making millions.

Without writing pages and pages, it boils down to the age old (and cliche); music is subjective and you like what you like. The best/only thing you can do is not give them your money by not buying anything related to them, and support artists you do like. (That means BUYING their albums, not downloading them)

[bassist]

Everyone thinks their taste in music is the best, but someone who listens to Britney Spears probably just doesn't give a shit as much about music as you.

Your question can't be answered, your asking why is there bad music, the fact is the music isn't bad at all, Britney Spears will never put out a weak song, someone will buy the best and get her to sing it. Fundamentally the music is better written and more relevant to the audience than a lot of people give it credit for, if you can write a better song than something Britney sings you'd be making millions.

Without writing pages and pages, it boils down to the age old (and cliche); music is subjective and you like what you like. The best/only thing you can do is not give them your money by not buying anything related to them, and support artists you do like. (That means BUYING their albums, not downloading them)

I might as well argue this comment personally. Alright, obviously people who listen to britney spears don't give a shit about music.....so what do they give a shit about? Hair? Shoes? What crazy shit is happening to celebrities? Those are usually the main ideals for those kind of girls. All britney spears is doing, is basically selling products for companies and putting ideas into little chickies heads about what life is supposed to be like. These are the same chicks who scream at high pitches and stalk celebrities to make their lives seem more important......their lives are based upon illusion and deceit. Now people who actually give a shit about music are usually the people who are looking to give a shit about other more important issues in life....these are the people that usually accomplish things with their lives. Mainly because it takes alot more energy to spark our minds and intrigue us. We are the thinkers of the universe.....Music is what brings truth and definition to our lives, so why not accept intelligence? Pick up a book, blaze a J and throw on a Pink Floyd cd(preferably Umma Gumma) that in my opinion is mentally stimulating....not watching shitty music videos of chicks who are talentless trying to act like strippers because sex sells alot easier than their voices.....




These are people who question authority!

[rvdVit]

Why the fuck is this world surrounded by horrible horrible music all the time..........Britney spears, My chemica romance, All american rejects soulja boy....for fuck sakes this list goes on and on. Why don't people know what differs between good music and horrible garbage! Fuckin shit, absolute shit!

i agree, however, it is all a matter of opinion. that being said, to me, what most people in my school enjoy sounds like being raped into the ears. same mundane whiny shit as pop. slow, bragging and repetitive shit as rap. retarded noises with all the same chords and dumbass beating head against drums as rock.

[GiveItAway]

I agree with you, but I also don't care about Britney Spears or anyone who listens to her.

Surely the best thing for you to do is not worry about these people and get on with what your doing? The truth is, your not going to change the world, I'm not going to change the world, but you can do what you want yourself, be who you want to be and listen to what you want to listen to. Don't concern yourself with these people, your obviously a bright guy, don't waste your energy worrying about that sort of thing.

Remember, Britney ain't running her show, the people pulling the strings are, and they're the clever ones.

[bassist]

The truth is, your not going to change the world, I'm not going to change the world, but you can do what you want yourself, be who you want to be and listen to what you want to listen to. Don't concern yourself with these people, your obviously a bright guy, don't waste your energy worrying about that sort of thing.


Why can't you and I change the world? If we don't try, we've already failed.


Remember, Britney ain't running her show, the people pulling the strings are, and they're the clever ones.

Thats what bothers me!

[GiveItAway]

Prove me wrong, but I don't think anyone here will.

[bassist]

Prove me wrong, but I don't think anyone here will.

Music is the most powerful thing in the world, if you can master and control that with the best of intensions.....i'm sure a movement of sorts is bound to happen. It just won't happen with people giving up before they started. Don't just do it for yourself, do it for the generations that are coming up and don't know any better than the life of Emo and Pop. I don't expect anyone on this wbsite to help me, I don't expect anyone in the world to help me....but i'll be damned if I let something as little as that stop me from acheiving my goal. it's not about money, it's not about fame.....It's purely for the love of music and life. They go hand in hand.

[GiveItAway]

Go for it kid, make me the one who doubted the revolutionary. Good thing you don't care about money either, cos it's harder work then any job you'll get and less than minimum wage, if that.

Once your paying your way you'll see what I really meant.

[bassist]

Go for it kid, make me the one who doubted the revolutionary. Good thing you don't care about money either, cos it's harder work then any job you'll get and less than minimum wage, if that.

Once your paying your way you'll see what I really meant.

HAHA dude i was working carpentry since i was 14....i'm 21 and got myself out of it because my heart isn't in it. i'm not one of these little high school/elementary kids who have never wored for anything in their life. I pay my bills, I live on my own, I know how the system works.....I just don't agree with it and i know there is a better way for the world to live.

[temp100]

most people don't have time to really listen to music so they like things with simple melodies and whatnot. that's my guess
Pretty much. Also the fact that music nowadays isn't listened to for its own sake. Music has degenerated to the point where it's merely an accompaniment to a social event rather than an artform which somebody sits down and enjoys.

The same thing happened in Wagner's time, but probably not to the same extent.

[hole in the sky]

These are people who question authority!


who's questioning authority here? any popular band you listen to puts out an album exactly the way it is because it will sell and make money. it doesn't matter if it's pink floyd or britney spears, they are essentially doing the same thing: putting out c.d.'s geared towards their expected audience.

i know people uphold this romantic view of the music of the 60's and 70's, but there is a lot of great music being put out today that seems to get ignored whenever someone says something like, 'music today sucks, it used to be a lot better'

i would even contend that "true" bands with amazing talent that embodied the spirit of the 60's wouldn't even be recognized today. they would just be passed off as another example of today's musical decline.

besides, how can anyone just listen to a piece of music and tell if it's "true" or not? what's your method? it just seems to me that a lot of people think they understand things when they really don't.

it's like when people say "yeah, so and so is faster, but it's less passionate than "so and so"

are you serious? you don't think it takes a passionate person to practice 8 hours a day for years to perfect something meaningful to him? there's a difference between something being "true" and something you FEEL to be "true".

many people feel like they know the difference, many people do not.

[tripb19]

"If music is dying, musicians are killing it. Composers are the ones decomposing it. We are as responsible as anyone--although we'd love not to admit it. We lash out at "The Industry", blaming things like corporate structure for our shitty music--but we are the ones making it. We open the box they've given us and jump in, wrap ourselves up, and even lick the stamp. Why? Insecurity--the need for acceptance--maybe even money. We're not thinking about our music, just how it looks." -- Mike Patton

^^^^^

:wah:

[Burnt Socks]

Bah good music is a matter of taste. There is some pretty questionable shit out there though. like that russian boy band on you tube, or David Hasselhoff, Germans seem to love that guy for some reason.

[Shameless]

Also the fact that music nowadays isn't listened to for its own sake. Music has degenerated to the point where it's merely an accompaniment to a social event rather than an artform which somebody sits down and enjoys.


This has been going on fooooor-ever, easily since the introduction of popular music as we know it in the 1950's. At least today they attempt to make it look real; I remember hearing a Paul Simon interview where he said his first job in the early 60s was at a major label where he and a couple hundred of his closest friends would take the most popular song of the day, then try and duplicate it as closely as possibly without infringing on copyright. Then they would send it out to one of the label's stable of singers who would then pump it out in one or two takes. Ridiculous.

Also, most pop music takes a great deal of talent to make. Take Britney Spears: I will be the first to say that I abhor her as a person and she deserves no credit for the music she puts out. But her producers, writers, mixers, etc deserve all the credit in the world, because it is insanely difficult to write a catchy pop song. Same with some rap/r&b artists like T-Pain, Akon, 50 Cent.

And Soulja Boy? Fuck, he just sucks.

[Papero]

Why the fuck is this world surrounded by horrible horrible music all the time..........Britney spears, My chemica romance, All american rejects soulja boy....for fuck sakes this list goes on and on. Why don't people know what differs between good music and horrible garbage! Fuckin shit, absolute shit!


So don't listen to it.

People make music their lives too much.

Oh you're with Zepplin? I'm sorry, I'm in the Clapton Club.

[temp100]

This has been going on fooooor-ever, easily since the introduction of popular music as we know it in the 1950's. At least today they attempt to make it look real; I remember hearing a Paul Simon interview where he said his first job in the early 60s was at a major label where he and a couple hundred of his closest friends would take the most popular song of the day, then try and duplicate it as closely as possibly without infringing on copyright. Then they would send it out to one of the label's stable of singers who would then pump it out in one or two takes. Ridiculous.

Also, most pop music takes a great deal of talent to make. Take Britney Spears: I will be the first to say that I abhor her as a person and she deserves no credit for the music she puts out. But her producers, writers, mixers, etc deserve all the credit in the world, because it is insanely difficult to write a catchy pop song. Same with some rap/r&b artists like T-Pain, Akon, 50 Cent.

And Soulja Boy? Fuck, he just sucks.
Exactly.

Another thing I lament is that there was once a point where 'good bass' meant a bassline which was musically good, not something that cause a small earthquake from your car stereo.

That's why I think music's role as an accompaniment is more blatant than it ever was. Bass in hip-hop is often written entirely for the setting of cruising down the street picking up hoes. In this setting it simply has to be loud/obnoxious and you have to feel it. Forget what it actually sounds like.

[bassist]

So don't listen to it.

People make music their lives too much.

Oh you're with Zepplin? I'm sorry, I'm in the Clapton Club.



Fuck you man, you don't always have a choice as to what you can listen to. People make music their lives as much as you make world of warcraft and the internet your life. At least with music, the true musicians are trying to change things and create awareness......and what are you doing?.......leveling up your barbarian to 99 so you can beat everyone in the game, what do you accomplish by doing that? go fuck yourself, your ideals are a waste of time.


who's questioning authority here? any popular band you listen to puts out an album exactly the way it is because it will sell and make money. it doesn't matter if it's pink floyd or britney spears, they are essentially doing the same thing: putting out c.d.'s geared towards their expected audience.

i know people uphold this romantic view of the music of the 60's and 70's, but there is a lot of great music being put out today that seems to get ignored whenever someone says something like, 'music today sucks, it used to be a lot better'

i would even contend that "true" bands with amazing talent that embodied the spirit of the 60's wouldn't even be recognized today. they would just be passed off as another example of today's musical decline.

besides, how can anyone just listen to a piece of music and tell if it's "true" or not? what's your method? it just seems to me that a lot of people think they understand things when they really don't.

it's like when people say "yeah, so and so is faster, but it's less passionate than "so and so"

are you serious? you don't think it takes a passionate person to practice 8 hours a day for years to perfect something meaningful to him? there's a difference between something being "true" and something you FEEL to be "true".

many people feel like they know the difference, many people do not.



I think your wrong, you don't just put out music that appeals to your audience....only pop music does because it's created just for that purpose and to make money of course and put false thoughts into childrens minds. anyway the music coms before the audience, the audience follows the sounds that intrigue them so whether or not you have fans, you are still going to play your music whether anyone knows of you or not....it's for the love of it. Music generates feelings and ideals, so if your listening to shitty music such as britney spears your gonna get the wrong idea of what music is and what lifre is. Pink floyd however didn't put music out to generate an audience, they created music for the love of it and for the show itself.
this is going on for too long so my main point is that only if there is already a market for a certain sound that an audience is already generated it would be considered "Appealing to the audience", but the bands that become known because they kick so much ass and have created a unique sound that the fans can relate to and enjoy is when it can be considered truthful and not corrupted at all.

*Edit* My methods are that I trust my instincts and learn everything i possibly can about every genre and every little thing that happens in this world, i go out of my way to find the truth in between the lies and corruption.......i know whats good, and just because you can't trust your own thoughts doesn't make my thoughts wrong.
Exactly.

Another thing I lament is that there was once a point where 'good bass' meant a bassline which was musically good, not something that cause a small earthquake from your car stereo.

That's why I think music's role as an accompaniment is more blatant than it ever was. Bass in hip-hop is often written entirely for the setting of cruising down the street picking up hoes. In this setting it simply has to be loud/obnoxious and you have to feel it. Forget what it actually sounds like.

I couldn't agree more, although there are still some groovy hip-hop basslines out there.......very few and far between but they are still kicking around.....it seems all the good basslines end up in Jazz and psychadelic prog rock, which just so happen to be my fav genres.

[temp100]

I couldn't agree more, although there are still some groovy hip-hop basslines out there.......very few and far between but they are still kicking around.....it seems all the good basslines end up in Jazz and psychadelic prog rock, which just so happen to be my fav genres.
Yeah, there are still some groovy ones out there, even if I don't listen to a lot of hip-hop. But it was when I was listening to Too Short's Get In Where You Fit In (1993) that I realised how much of a dive bass has taken in popular music (especially hip hop).

[bassist]

Yeah, there are still some groovy ones out there, even if I don't listen to a lot of hip-hop. But it was when I was listening to Too Short's Get In Where You Fit In (1993) that I realised how much of a dive bass has taken in popular music (especially hip hop).

you are preaching to the choir man, i don't listen to barely any hip-hop but if i hear it has a groovin bassline i'll jump right into the feel. but i don't generally listen to it, mainly because of it's dullness

[esruC]

Fuck you man, you don't always have a choice as to what you can listen to. People make music their lives as much as you make world of warcraft and the internet your life. At least with music, the true musicians are trying to change things and create awareness......and what are you doing?.......leveling up your barbarian to 99 so you can beat everyone in the game, what do you accomplish by doing that? go fuck yourself, your ideals are a waste of time.


You're really angry, dude. CHILL.

[bassist]

You're really angry, dude. CHILL.

i'm not angry at all man, i'm just disappointed people put so little effort into understanding their surroundings.

[Papero]

Fuck you man, you don't always have a choice as to what you can listen to. People make music their lives as much as you make world of warcraft and the internet your life. At least with music, the true musicians are trying to change things and create awareness......and what are you doing?.......leveling up your barbarian to 99 so you can beat everyone in the game, what do you accomplish by doing that? go fuck yourself, your ideals are a waste of time.



Wait wait, are you a true musician? Show me a musician who has changed the world, I'd like to meet the musician that his a triangle and solves world hunger.

Most musicians you seem to like or which I'm assuming you're going to suggest to me are drug abusers that happen to make decent beats.

So, how exactly do musicians change the world? Again, music genre fanatics are so boring, no personality, all they can talk about is their favorite band and are pretty much anti-social to anyone who enjoys a different band or genre no matter who the person is. What kind of life is that? Elitists make me sick, and being elitist seems to be the trend with 16-25 year olds lately, if you aren't a classic rock and mental butt lover you aren't shit!

Do you have any personality man? Or do The Bucketheads make that choice for you?






























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[bassist]

Wait wait, are you a true musician? Show me a musician who has changed the world, I'd like to meet the musician that his a triangle and solves world hunger.

Most musicians you seem to like or which I'm assuming you're going to suggest to me are drug abusers that happen to make decent beats.

So, how exactly do musicians change the world? Again, music genre fanatics are so boring, no personality, all they can talk about is their favorite band and are pretty much anti-social to anyone who enjoys a different band or genre no matter who the person is. What kind of life is that? Elitists make me sick, and being elitist seems to be the trend with 16-25 year olds lately, if you aren't a classic rock and mental butt lover you aren't shit
Do you have any personality man? Or do The Bucketheads make that choice for you?

www.pwned.nl



HAHAHAHAHA! Funny shit man, I would consider myself a "true" musician not because i've solved world hunger but because i do have the best intentions for music and mankind. ALL musicians are drug-abusers to an extent if you don't think so you might as well delete all that music you stole/downloaded from other musicians. It's usually the abusers that think outside the box and push the limits of perception. They may not all have the right idea but you look at bands such as Pink Floyd who after many years of hating each other...they realized that the problems of the world are much greater than their little problems, which led them to play at live aid(to create money for "Third world countries"....that in my opinion is truth and using their position and influence upon many peoples lives to better the world and mankind.

thats enough for that point.

As for personality....i probably have 100x more than anyone you've ever come into contact with. How can you even relate me to a "genre fanatic" i'm the furthest thing from it. I listen to various genres such as Jazz, blues, classic rock, prog rock pretty much everything but country, techno...most rap and pop music and those crappy wanna be hardcore bands such as hinder,nickelback and so on. My tastes in music is extremely vast, i of course have favourites but who doesnt? You bore me more than anything.....explain to me what you do and why you are even worth me writing this message, and wtf does "the bucketheads" supposed to mean.....buckethead is a pretty wicked guitarist and bass player...and banjo player. He may not be feeding third world countries, but hes doing something he feels is right...sticking to his beliefs and not letting mainstream music influence. I think it's respectable to have a mind of their own. But when you start disrupting the world with your blasphemy and idiocy just so you can make a couple extra bucks, thats when you need to be taken into a back alley and shot. Because the world doesn't need anymore douchebags......so you might as well kill yourself.
I make my own choices and take responsibility for it, i wear clothes that are comfortable to me and eat food that is GOOD for me not that garbage like mcdonalds that i'm sure you fill up with on a daily basis. I'm not worried about my personality or the decisions I make.......you on the other hand more than likely are questioning your life and need to argue with me to justify your stupid ways.

[DrGyro]

you wanna know hwy theres bad music? cause people let it get there. however, this is all temporary music if you think about it? nobody admits they liked disco, so nobody will admit they liked britney spears. of course, the reason why shit is like this is because the music industry cares more about money than actually making good acts. who cares if the song is good, fuck that, all that matters is if it goes well with the new pepsi commerical. of course, if youre thinking alongside the non pop side of things, nobodys doing anything important. music has gone stale. especially rock and roll,hip hop, and any kind of roots music. nobodys doing anything new. if you want innovation like the beatles or 60s musicians, you wont find it on the radio. youll find it in the works of battles, aphex twin, shit like that. all it is now is a bunch of fags are ripping off nirvana, zeppelin, metallica and music overall has died. nobodys doing anything new. its bands like radiohead and songwriters like joni mitchell who put their shit up for free and let anybody hear it, and i think thats the best way to get ears. pitch it for free, and i honestly think the record industry should die. and i dont care whats famous or not, we're all dying anyway, at least i died listening to good music. not sales pitches.

[TDK12345]

Let’s say some guy really like hotdogs. He can’t get enough of ‘em. Just throw ‘em in the microwave for a bit, squirt some ketchup on ‘em, and he's in heaven. I, on the other hand, think they’re shit. In fact, I won’t eat anything unless a chef, who has a real passion for cooking, spends hours slaving away in the kitchen to come up with something really unique. Then I go to my friends and complain about how this other guy likes hotdogs so much. How can he possibly eat those? You know, Oscar Meyer only makes hotdogs to make money. The food I eat comes from chefs who really love to make food.

Does that make me somehow better than the other guy? No. That makes me a douchebag.

I don’t know why, but for some reason music, more than anything, tends to bring out the elitist side of people. People have different tastes in music just like they have different tastes in food. Some people just like listening to Britney Spears and My Chemical Romance. So what? Listen to what you like and let others listen to what they like.

[WESLEYPIPES]

I stay away from shit music.

That's why I'm listening to...

The Speed Freak & Stormtrooper - Nuke Em' Now.

Hardcore , Frenchcore & Freeform are the shit. I say that cause I've been mixing for 8 years now & Hard Techno crushes anything. And Hardstyle crushes that.

Fuck pop. Fuck R&B. Fuck anything mainstream. Fuck it in the ass with a big rubber dick.

[Daucus Karota]

69'-73', 77'-79', 82'-84' and 91'–94' were the best years of music

[ihatecrazyfrog]

Why the fuck is this world surrounded by horrible horrible music all the time..........Britney spears, My chemicaL romance, All american rejects soulja boy....for fuck sakes this list goes on and on. Why don't people know what differs between good music and horrible garbage! Fucking shit, absolute shit!

In this world, okay, no one cares what you think, yes this is a forum but seriously no one likes little moaning faggots, who gives a crap, its only your opinion, just because you think all these bands/artists are rubbish, doesnt mean they are, would they have got signed to a record company if they were *horrible * as you put it? No they wouldn't. At the end of the day your opinion doesnt matter but you are a person like many others that think THEIR opinion is right and everyone elses is wrong.

Thank you.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
~ihatecrazyfrog

[bassist]

In this world, okay, no one cares what you think, yes this is a forum but seriously no one likes little moaning faggots, who gives a crap, its only your opinion, just because you think all these bands/artists are rubbish, doesnt mean they are, would they have got signed to a record company if they were *horrible * as you put it? No they wouldn't. At the end of the day your opinion doesnt matter but you are a person like many others that think THEIR opinion is right and everyone elses is wrong.

Thank you.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
~ihatecrazyfrog

I'm not saying i'm 100% correct, but i do think i'm in a better direction towards music than most people......and if anything.....you should be grateful I think the way I do because i'll be out on the battlefield trying to save what shred of dignity is left in music today.....it's been lost and people are letting it happen. People can listen to whatever they want, but it doesn't make "Them right". So who is morally right? The guy who everyone thinks is a douchebag for trying to save the truth in music......or is it the person who conforms to society and only likes what they are forced to like and doesn't try to think about how the artist created this music, why they created this music, and who it benefits from it playing on every radio station across north america? It's up to you, I'll still be out there fighting for what I believe is right. Whether or not you think my opinion matters is not the point, if you don't like what I have to say STOP READING...I started this thread to vent and find a few answers which I have and all I gotta say about that is......listen to your garbage music, dress in your gap clothes, let others control your thoughts..... because the ones like me who are searching for the truth in life and searching for the music that defines our lives(or at least saving it) we are the ones who won't let these imbeciles control our world and ideals.

[ocpunk37]

It's clothing for blacks. http://www.nicekicks.com/bape-sta-bathing-apes.php

All fixed.

[hole in the sky]

I think your wrong, you don't just put out music that appeals to your audience....only pop music does because it's created just for that purpose and to make money of course and put false thoughts into childrens minds.


wrong. bands may put out their music because they love to play it, but it is an unfortunate fact that behind any successful band is a record label that is only interested in the money they're able to generate. because of this, many bands get pressured to put out c.d.'s that don't stray too far from their original sound because losing fans is equivalent to losing money. experimentation is risky, and therefore putting creative thought into making something new is not something businessmen want to to risk their wages over.

what comes out of this is a struggle to create something new yet familiar, often times with the bands integrity at stake. bottom line is, if the band isn't making money, the label will drop them, just like that. if bands truly just did it for the love of it, they would abruptly drop their labels in order to prevent outside influence from sticking their fingers in their art. you don't see this happen however. strange. i suppose money is a bigger influence than you thought.


anyway the music coms before the audience, the audience follows the sounds that intrigue them so whether or not you have fans, you are still going to play your music whether anyone knows of you or not....it's for the love of it. Music generates feelings and ideals, so if your listening to shitty music such as britney spears your gonna get the wrong idea of what music is and what lifre is.


i agree that many musicians will play music regardless of their fan base, but it is a fact that the higher up you go in terms of success for a musician, the more and more pressure you encounter to creating a profitable product as opposed to the artform you had in mind. the music business is just that; business.

and what's all this about 'getting the wrong idea about what life is'? sounds like you're meandering into pseudo-intellectual rediculousness here...


Pink floyd however didn't put music out to generate an audience, they created music for the love of it and for the show itself.

even pink floyd had outside help from producers with structure and sounds. are they not a 'true' band anymore?



*Edit* My methods are that I trust my instincts and learn everything i possibly can about every genre and every little thing that happens in this world, i go out of my way to find the truth in between the lies and corruption.......i know whats good, and just because you can't trust your own thoughts doesn't make my thoughts wrong.


you trust your instincts about what? what's true and not true? how can you possibly be sure every band you listen to has "true" intentions about making their music? are you willing to say that none of the popular bands you listen to have absolutely any outside influence from producers to make a marketable product? to someone who 'goes out of their way to understand the truth' this has to seem a tad silly. besides, how exactly do you go out of your way to distinguish truth from lies and corruption? it's things like this that make me think you are a late teens, early twenties guy who listened to tool a few years back. you started absorbing the ideas of keenan&co to the point where -after being weened on elitist ideals- you started believing that somehow you were in on a secret that nobody else was aware of, am i right? suddenly, you understood what was 'good' music and scoffed at others who just didn't 'get it'.

it's funny, because beyond all of the self-righteous rhetoric you little toolies love to spout "think for yourself, question authority" you are in fact just reciting ideas that are nothing new, nothing original, and negate the meaning of the phrase itself.
think about it.
you do know that maynard actually can't stand fans like you, right? i'm sure he didn't envision thousands of 'enlightened' fans going around explaining tired ideals repackaged in the wit of some young 'misunderstood' idealist.
(sheep)


so, i realize i came down kinda hard on you. i apologize, it seems rougher typed out then it did in my head. i guess i can't get too upset at a fellow musician, but i think a lot of people get the wrong ideas about certain things, and i try to help that.

you write songs, right? would you be willing to put some of your stuff on here?

[bassist]

WOW! I'm intrigued to see someone put some effort into a post. Jesus fuckin christ! I don't even know where to start on that.......so I won't because I agree with the majority of what you said, so you pretty much just shut me up, i'm at a loss for words right now. My posts got a bit out of hand, butthats because I lost my original intentions because of people arguing me with 30 diff. points of somewhat relevance. Oh well........ you pretty much put the icing on the cake with that giant post. Not much more to say on this topic........

As for music that i've created......I have a few songs, some solo work with a friend of mine and the others are with my old band Harlyn Mercury. I'll Pm you some links give it a listen. If you have any yourself, i'd like to hea them.

[hole in the sky]

As for music that i've created......I have a few songs, some solo work with a friend of mine and the others are with my old band Harlyn Mercury. I'll Pm you some links give it a listen. If you have any yourself, i'd like to hea them.

that sounds good, i'm always happy to hear new stuff.

[1mOntana]

Tool
Pink Floyd
Deftones
Isis
King Crimson
Zeppelin
Sabbath
Metallica(old stuff with cliff burton)
Radiohead
Rage Against the machine
Jaco Pastorius
Weather Report


crap crap crap, all of it crap.
you see? i dont like that shit, so its crap.

[bassist]

only because you don't listen to music for the talent and intelligence that goes into creating it.

[1mOntana]

only because you don't listen to music for the talent and intelligence that goes into creating it.

fuck no i listen to it for the sound
how the fuck do you know what i listen to?

[Daucus Karota]

crap crap crap, all of it crap.
you see? i dont like that shit, so its crap.

how can anyone say Black Sabbath is crap :uhoh:

[bassist]

fuck no i listen to it for the sound
how the fuck do you know what i listen to?

because all those bands are innovators of music, and have influenced everything you listen to



how can anyone say Black Sabbath is crap :uhoh:

I couldn't agree more!
It's just pure ignorance saying things like that.

[Sezril]

because all those bands are innovators of music, and have influenced everything you listen to

Deftones and Isis are most certainly not innovators of music, and while they've obviously left their mark I'm sure plenty of people here (myself included) don't listen to anything influenced by Radiohead or Rage Against the Machine.

[1mOntana]

because all those bands are innovators of music, and have influenced everything you listen to
I couldn't agree more!
It's just pure ignorance saying things like that.

OR MAYBE ITS JUST A DIFFERENT OPINION?

i doubt pink floyd and zepplin have influence anything i listen to and you still dont know what the fuck i listen to
btw i like them, i dont like you thats all

[Chiff]

Some people in this thread need to calm the fuck down.
Bassist, you need to learn to accept that people listen to different types of music.

Oh yeah, some people need a sarcasm detector too.

[Warka]

Kinds of songs kids will be listening to for the next 5-10 years. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM9zq64RxiE) just one example.

[Shameless]

I couldn't agree more!
It's just pure ignorance saying things like that.

I want to rip into you so bad, but 1montana and chiff it seems have already done the job. So, I bid you good day.

[G-manMET]

how can anyone say Black Sabbath is crap :uhoh:

I think he was just trying to make a point.

I feel like right now, more and more bands from the underground are starting to become popular, because people are getting sick of the mainstream. It's forcing people to scout out bands that they truly connect with. People actually have to dig for bands that they like. It makes people become more involved in music, not just listen to the top hits on the radio. There will always be good music, if it's on the radio now, or if it's on the radio tomorrow, or if it's not on the radio at all.

Some bands I listen to:
Tortoise
Isotope 217
Animal Collective
Panda Bear
Modest Mouse
Man Man
Aphex Twin
Boards of Canada
Talking Heads
Radiohead
Medeski, Martin, & Wood
Drop Trio
Danger Doom
Primus

Out of all those bands I listed, only one isn't playing together anymore, which are the Talking Heads.

[bassist]

I want to rip into you so bad, but 1montana and chiff it seems have already done the job. So, I bid you good day.

WTF! You have a deftones icon for your avatar......and I was backing up Black fuckin Sabbath! so why the fuck would you be hating on me for that?

[1mOntana]

WTF! You have a deftones icon for your avatar......and I was backing up Black fuckin Sabbath! so why the fuck would you be hating on me for that?

because you're fucking retarded

[bassist]

because you're fucking retarded


haha douchebag, how sad it must be to come into a thread created by someone you for some reason hate intensely just so you can have 20seconds of my time wasted by your ignorant jabbering. well I can honestly say that no more of my time shall be wasted in the presence of your stupidity........

[esruC]

haha douchebag, how sad it must be to come into a thread created by someone you for some reason hate intensely just so you can have 20seconds of my time wasted by your ignorant jabbering. well I can honestly say that no more of my time shall be wasted in the presence of your stupidity........

You are REALLY annoying...

[Shameless]

WTF! You have a deftones icon for your avatar......and I was backing up Black fuckin Sabbath! so why the fuck would you be hating on me for that?

I have Deftones as my avy because I like them. If I liked Fall Out Boy or MCR, by golly, they'd likely be my avy. You see, and listen closely because this is very important, music doesn't define you as a person and how people view you shouldn't be decided on by the music you listen to but the content of your character. Let me elaborate using you as an example:

You seem to like 70-80's era metal. Not knowing you personally, I would figure you to be a long haired, face covered in acne, back of the pack sorta guy. Sure, you go to school, but every afternoon you sit at home playing that bass of yours to Paranoid, holding out hope that your Metallica tribute band "Just the Old Stuff with Cliff Burton" will make next year's Ozzfest.

NOW, you're probably saying that all that just isn't true. You have short hair, you make straight A's, and you front a Tool tribute band. I hear ya. But hopefully you caught what I just did there: I took your musical preferences then made a generalization based on them which turned out to be completely false. Just like if I claimed that just because you like 50 Cent you're black, or just because you like Fergie you're a 12 year old girl. It just isn't true.

Let me repeat myself: you should judge someone on the content of their character. So let's go back to you: You are pretentious, you call people douchebags for stating their opinions, and you have an extremely limited grasp of the english language. So, judging you on your character, I deem you a cunt.

See what I did there?

[1mOntana]

haha douchebag, how sad it must be to come into a thread created by someone you for some reason hate intensely just so you can have 20seconds of my time wasted by your ignorant jabbering. well I can honestly say that no more of my time shall be wasted in the presence of your stupidity........

you made a thread trying to make people who listen to britney spears look stupid but in the end, all youve done is proven to everybody that no matter what music you listen to, you can still be a total fucking retard

[bassist]

I have Deftones as my avy because I like them. If I liked Fall Out Boy or MCR, by golly, they'd likely be my avy. You see, and listen closely because this is very important, music doesn't define you as a person and how people view you shouldn't be decided on by the music you listen to but the content of your character. Let me elaborate using you as an example:

You seem to like 70-80's era metal. Not knowing you personally, I would figure you to be a long haired, face covered in acne, back of the pack sorta guy. Sure, you go to school, but every afternoon you sit at home playing that bass of yours to Paranoid, holding out hope that your Metallica tribute band "Just the Old Stuff with Cliff Burton" will make next year's Ozzfest.

NOW, you're probably saying that all that just isn't true. You have short hair, you make straight A's, and you front a Tool tribute band. I hear ya. But hopefully you caught what I just did there: I took your musical preferences then made a generalization based on them which turned out to be completely false. Just like if I claimed that just because you like 50 Cent you're black, or just because you like Fergie you're a 12 year old girl. It just isn't true.

Let me repeat myself: you should judge someone on the content of their character. So let's go back to you: You are pretentious, you call people douchebags for stating their opinions, and you have an extremely limited grasp of the english language. So, judging you on your character, I deem you a cunt.

See what I did there?


Actually music has a pretty strong influence upon personalities and characteristics of the individuals in question(they are parts of memories and scenarios which helps define who you are). Although you did mess up horribly trying to generalize me, 21/I listen to ALOT of diff. genres of music except country, new rap, techno and pop music. What you tried to do is create an image of what or who you think i am by SOME bands I posted, sorry to disappoint but i have a vast knowledge of various genres and in music in general......You are right about me playing bass all the time, but i've never been in a cover band and i never will be because i am a creative individual and write my OWN music. What you are doing is trying to use stereotypes of individuals who listen to music and what style or whatever it has created, I however am not specifying all these people to be little 12 year old girls or some black guy, for all I know the majority of rap listeners are white suburbanites. I don't even give a shit anymore, i've spent more than enough time arguing over stupid shit, I know people lsiten to other styles of music and thats cool but the whole reason I started this thread is to figure out why people will put little thought into their surroundings and why they listen to the garbage they listen to such as the previously mentioned "artists" from an earlier post. Whatever man, i really could care less about your opinion.........and this whole thread. unlike you i have a life other than warcraft and ebaums so go find someone else to critiscize

[1mOntana]

if you cant take the heat get the fuck out the kitchen

[bassist]

if you cant take the heat get the fuck out the kitchen


hahaha WTF! what a fuckin ridiculously stupid attempt, man i'm hung the fuck over and i ould do a beetter job than that. i'm not going too because it involves entirely way too much typing

[esruC]

if you cant take the heat get the fuck out the kitchen

If you can't take the heat, stop cooking.

[Chiff]

hahaha WTF! what a fuckin ridiculously stupid attempt, man i'm hung the fuck over and i ould do a beetter job than that. i'm not going too because it involves entirely way too much typing

Work on your grammar, calm down, and be open minded if you come back.

If you don't, well... then you're a douche for pissing a lot of people off and refusing to listen to others unless they like a band you like. Maybe I listen to a band you like, and maybe that means you'll listen and stop being such a child.

[antabax]

guys, dont fight, just lay back and smoke.

[gosh]

Work on your grammar, calm down, and be open minded if you come back.

If you don't, well... then you're a douche for pissing a lot of people off and refusing to listen to others unless they like a band you like. Maybe I listen to a band you like, and maybe that means you'll listen and stop being such a child.


Excellent! Advice on grammar at Ebaums. LOL

I wondered how long it would take before the argument descended to that level. FTR, I agree with bassist that music is going through a VERY bad phase right now but there are good artists around if we look hard enough.

But as always, don't expect too much good music from the charts. It's commercial rubbish by it's very nature.

You want to hear talented musicians, go to your local venue and support the unsigned acts trying to make a living doing what they love. You'll be suprised how great some of them can make an evening.

[Mojocaster]

How can people not agree with Bassist, sure he's being rude and condescending but he's right.

I understand the want to feel a connection to something current and "happening" but if you can get past the image the vast majority of todays music is empty and uninspiring.

[Sander]

I understand where your coming from. They cant listen to interwieving music with say 2 guitar riffs or a riff going over another, it fucks up there head.


And music i listen to?

Pearl Jam
Kings if Leon
Bloc party
The Smiths
Stone Roses
Qotsa
Faith no more
Black label society

[bassist]

i'm at a loss of words for once....... about time people with good taste join in on this thread

[Daucus Karota]

I understand where your coming from. They cant listen to interwieving music with say 2 guitar riffs or a riff going over another, it fucks up there head.


And music i listen to?

Pearl Jam
Kings if Leon
Bloc party
The Smiths
Stone Roses
Qotsa
Faith no more
Black label societyPearl Jam is good


Black Label Society is horrid

[DrGyro]

Here's my somewhat hopeful take, man. THink of it this way. Only the truly great artists are remembered for being great. Think of it this way, who still likes disco now? Who still admits to liking Vanilla Ice? Is Cyndi Lauper anywhere nowadays? And that's besides the point, fuck popular music man, we're at the peak of complete corporate music right now, like the 1970s with the huge ass bands and acts. who knows, the second coming of something like punk rock might come along and reinvent everything. but fuck fame, who needs it in a society as shallow as this. People worship Paris Hilton and hate her at the same time. Who gives a fuck if your idols impress the type who will swallow you whole and suck your dick at the same time?