2008 Probowlers [Archive] - eBaum's World Forum

atreyu_2020

12-18-2007, 08:03 PM

Thank christ Ben made it, he's done so much for that team it's sickening. He's the second most sacked quarterback in the league, if he didn't make his ridiculous plays his sack total would be doubled.

Awesome that Harrison made it too. I was worried he wouldn't since he doesn't have the name. Alan Faneca made it of course, why I don't know. Oh yeah I do, his name. He's been absolute garbage for two years now and is basically playing out his contract so he could go to a different team next season. He doesn't give a fuck this season. He doesn't deserve a pro bowl spot.

I understand that Taylor made it out of respect, but I gaurentee most of his votes came after he died, voting for a dead person on an all-star team is a bit ridiculous. There are better ways to honor him.

YankeesSuck

12-18-2007, 08:10 PM

Good I was worried Manning would get the start again. 7 Pats in total, 6 are starting. You Steeler fans flood the ballot so Ben gets in? Jk lol I think he is worthy to be in it. Acually I think Garrard should be in pro bowl.

Weird seeing Taylor listed as starting though. The votes may have come before it happened he was doing good, most int's.

Mr Larkin

12-19-2007, 01:46 AM

I like seeing a good amount of Patriots made it but I think Wes Welker should have made it.

YankeesSuck

12-19-2007, 02:20 AM

I like seeing a good amount of Patriots made it but I think Wes Welker should have made it.
Yeah same maybe not a starter though. I think Wayne should still start. Welker should be backup.

Also Anderson of the Browns should be one of the qb's.

The_Bosh

12-19-2007, 02:21 AM

Williams, Mario TCKL 53 SCK 13.0 FF 2

Wow Mario Williams got the huge snub....2nd in sacks, .5 sack behind first. One of those forced fumbles was returned for a touchdown....could easily be the sack leader the way he's been playing. (3.5 sacks against Denver on Thursday) Everyone is now realizing that him being picked #1 wasn't the worst idea, and they cannot accept that he is worth way more than Vince or Reggie. (at least in the long run.)

The three guys that did get picked:

Allen, Jared TCKL 58 SCK 11.5 FF 2

VandenBosch, Kyle TCKL 48 SCK 9.0 FF 3

Taylor, Jason TCKL 48 SCK 10.0 FF 4 INT 1

Shouldn't DE's be judged by SACKS??!!?!?!??

atreyu_2020

12-19-2007, 02:34 AM

Fuck no, Aaron Smith is one of the best DE's in the league and he hardly gets sacks. Stats aren't everything.

Mr Larkin

12-19-2007, 02:38 AM

I can't wait to get my Mike Vrabel Pro Bowl jersey

atreyu_2020

12-19-2007, 03:44 AM

Yeah same maybe not a starter though. I think Wayne should still start. Welker should be backup.

Also Anderson of the Browns should be one of the qb's.

Who would Anderson replace? He couldn't replace any of the QBs that are going. Ben has a terrible line, mediocore receivers, and has had his best regular season of his career, he's third in the league in TD's, only 11 interceptions, he has more TDs and less INTs then Manning for christ sake, if it weren't for Ben this team wouldn't win 5 games. He's the #1 rated QB on third down, which is impressive considering Willie Parker gets about 1 yard a carry and Ben usually gets sacked, making a lot of 3rd and 8, 3rd and 9's. He's the second most sacked QB in the league with 43 sacks, if it werent for Bens mobility, durability, escapability, and every other bilities, it would be 83. Worst pass protecting line in the league bar none. He fights for his life every game, not like Brady or Manning that can sit back and make plays without having to shrug 1 or 2 defenders off.

Derek Anderson had a good year, but he's playing nowhere near as good as Roethlisberger, Manning, or Brady.

The_Bosh

12-19-2007, 04:10 AM

Fuck no, Aaron Smith is one of the best DE's in the league and he hardly gets sacks. Stats aren't everything.

For the Pro Bowl yes stats matter. Aaron Smith?? Quit being such a homer...hes got 2.5 sacks and has sat out 3 games this year, including the loss against the Jags. Thats pro bowl status??

The AFC quarterbacks are right, Obvioiusly Brady and Peyton and Ben does a lot with what he has to work with.

antoine2589

12-19-2007, 04:19 AM

the entire nfc south has a combined 0 pro bowlers :lol:

The_Bosh

12-19-2007, 04:23 AM

the entire nfc south has a combined 0 pro bowlers :lol:

LMAO I saw that too....heres the breakdown..

NFC East 17
NFC North 15
AFC West 12
AFC North 11
AFC East 10
NFC West 10
AFC South 9
NFC South 0

The best division in the AFC has the fewest players....seems odd :err:

gatorpatric0

12-19-2007, 01:00 PM

poopchow

12-19-2007, 03:11 PM

I understand that Taylor made it out of respect, but I gaurentee most of his votes came after he died, voting for a dead person on an all-star team is a bit ridiculous. There are better ways to honor him.

Maybe there are, but this was a good way. The guy was an alternate last year and was easily having his best season this year. I promise you that he would have been starting or first reserve with the season he was/going to have.

There is no doubt in my mind he was a top 3 safety, i personally think he was the best as teams literally changed how they attacked our D because of him and our defense was based around him. He was in his 4th year man, only 24 years old and would have most likely have been a HOF'er with his abilities. His range was incredible. His hitting was incredible. His instincts were incredible. Gregg Williams, the defensive coach says he was the most talented player he's ever coached. And GW is no bum when it comes to coaching a D. I am not exaggerating. Only 24 and he had hit his prime. Give him 6-8 years in that stage and there is no limit to what he could do.

I cant say enough good things about it.

Actually, ST was the leader of the vote before the incident according to Mike and Mike. Just watchinged that right now

atreyu_2020

12-19-2007, 05:47 PM

For the Pro Bowl yes stats matter. Aaron Smith?? Quit being such a homer...hes got 2.5 sacks and has sat out 3 games this year, including the loss against the Jags. Thats pro bowl status??

Whats your point? He's hurt so he's not one of the best? I'm not making a case he should go to the pro bowl, because that's obviously what your entire post here was stating with the whole "pro bowl status", I said you don't have to have a lot of sacks to be one of the best. You apparently haven't been watching football enough to know that there are other duties for a DE other then sacking the QB. Aaron Smith plays in a 3-4 defense, it's not his job to sack the quarterback.

Oh yes, I'm such a homer, such a homer that I predict the Steelers to lose the next 2 games and not make the playoffs. It was a nice attempt though, now stop going on NFL.com and looking up your cutesy little stats and stop posting on NFL threads.

The_Bosh

12-19-2007, 06:33 PM

Whats your point? He's hurt so he's not one of the best? I'm not making a case he should go to the pro bowl, because that's obviously what your entire post here was stating with the whole "pro bowl status", I said you don't have to have a lot of sacks to be one of the best. You apparently haven't been watching football enough to know that there are other duties for a DE other then sacking the QB. Aaron Smith plays in a 3-4 defense, it's not his job to sack the quarterback.

Oh yes, I'm such a homer, such a homer that I predict the Steelers to lose the next 2 games and not make the playoffs. It was a nice attempt though, now stop going on NFL.com and looking up your cutesy little stats and stop posting on NFL threads.

You said Aaron Smith was one of the best, wouldn't that make him a pro bowler? And my original point was Mario Williams got snubbed from the Pro bowl, because HE IS in the top 3 DE's. Sorry for going to NFL.com, such a horrible place to get basic stats. :rolleyes:

Calm down buddy, at least your team has a chance to make the playoffs

BigMac

12-19-2007, 06:39 PM

Wu-tang

12-19-2007, 06:47 PM

You said Aaron Smith was one of the best, wouldn't that make him a pro bowler? And my original point was Mario Williams got snubbed from the Pro bowl, because HE IS in the top 3 DE's. Sorry for going to NFL.com, such a horrible place to get basic stats. :rolleyes:

Calm down buddy, at least your team has a chance to make the playoffs

Tom Brady didn't make the pro-bowl last year, but would you say he was one of the best? Pro-Bowls mean shit.

And no, sacks aren't what make DE's good. :squint:

Nick is cool

12-19-2007, 06:54 PM

Its a god damn shame that Fred Taylor has never been to a pro-bowl. Its also a god damn shame that one of the 3 best teams in the AFC (The Jaguars) don't have a single player going to the Pro-Bowl.

Im not surprised though.

Yea, fred taylor definatley shouldve made it this year, and probaly other years too. But then again its only the probowl.

atreyu_2020

12-19-2007, 07:30 PM

I was kinda pissed Chad didn't get in, being fourth in the whole league in receiving yards and all. TJ deserves it having the most receptions in the NFL. Mario Williams would probably be my biggest snub.

Other than that I thought it was alright. Probably would have put in Garrard or Anderson over Worthlessburger.

The guy that was supposively going to be top 5 in interceptions like you so put it before the season started? Didn't know if you were aware but Cornhole Carson is tied in the league for most interceptions, and he has one of the best supporting offenses backing him up. Might want to tell Doucheman to stop giving him a cornhole classic every day of the week. Hope you enjoy your 10/11 loss season.

Hah, leave it for a Bungle fan to judge who should be over Ben, your opinion really should matter in an argument like that. :rolleyes: Idiot.

The_Bosh

12-20-2007, 04:01 AM

The guy that was supposively going to be top 5 in interceptions like you so put it before the season started? Didn't know if you were aware but Cornhole Carson is tied in the league for most interceptions, and he has one of the best supporting offenses backing him up. Might want to tell Doucheman to stop giving him a cornhole classic every day of the week. Hope you enjoy your 10/11 loss season.

Hah, leave it for a Bungle fan to judge who should be over Ben, your opinion really should matter in an argument like that. :rolleyes: Idiot.

Will you be my boyfriend??

edit: Im hung

Offcell

12-20-2007, 04:43 AM

DE's are tough to decide on because they don't record the amount of times that they hurry a QB and cause an interception or incompletion which is very important. A DE could have no sacks but if he puts pressure on the QB every play, then he is still a very valuable player even if his stats don't show it. But for the pro bowl i think it's fine to judge on the number of tackles and sacks, after all the number of sacks can be a pretty good indicator of how often a player gets to the QB.

gigglemuffin

12-20-2007, 05:13 AM

No Fred Taylor or Mario Williams is absolute horeshit. Taylor is better than Addai and Williams is a bad ass motherfucker. The Cowboys dont deserve that many spots.

atreyu_2020

12-20-2007, 05:16 AM

No Fred Taylor or Mario Williams is absolute horeshit. Taylor is better than Addai and Williams is a bad ass motherfucker. The Cowboys dont deserve that many spots.

A lot of koolaid getting handed out by ESPN with this Fred Taylor bitching. The only reason for it is because he has the most rushing yards out of any running back that never made the pro bowl. Look, if you equal out his year along with Parkers and Addais it basically almost evens out so picking ANY 2 of the 3 isn't bad, it's not horseshit, it's not a disgrace, it's not a horrible decision, all 3 guys are having successful and equal years so there's no room to complain for any one of them.

Parker averages more attempts (most in the league actually) and is behind a pussified line and is leading the league in rushing. He's also fumbled 4 times.

Addai has 11 TD's (3rd in league) on the year along with 3 receiving TDs and 39 catches. He hasent fumbled a single time this year.

Taylor averages more yards per carry and has 2 more rushing TDs then Parker with a stout big ass line, but also has the least attempts. He also has 2 fumbles.

So, like I said, there's no way to define which 2 of the 3 should go to the pro bowl because all of them are having good years and each are successful in their own ways. Stop feeding into ESPN.

MusicIsDead

12-20-2007, 03:16 PM

Wheeww! Shane Lechler represent, best punter in the history of the nfl. Nnamdi, Morrison, and Howard are missing though.

poopchow

12-20-2007, 03:19 PM

i know i said this already, but sean taylor was leading the votes before his death.

way to go ST

atreyu_2020

12-20-2007, 04:53 PM

i know i said this already, but sean taylor was leading the votes before his death.

way to go ST

I understand that but once he's dead...well, he stops playing, and other players continue to play which makes them more worthy of going to the pro bowl. This is an All-Star game, and while Sean Taylor probably would have went if he were still alive, he's not and other players excelled past him since he died. I just think it's a bit ridiculous to have a dead person on an all-star team, and the fact he got enough votes to start when there were more deserving people.

But like I said, I guarentee the majority of his votes came after he died, they can honor him in many more ways then putting on an All-Star team, where other players deserved the votes.