Oblivion/COD4 thread

[Nick is cool]

Anyone wana give me a description of oblivion? I heard alot of good things about it and i wana know if its worth getting.

Ill let you guys vote in the poll if you tell me.

[Sven]

Oblivion is totally worth it, but it's an offline game. COD4 though, has a campaign as well as online multiplayer. If you don't have have Live, then I suggest Oblivion. It'll last much longer than COD.

[Nick is cool]

I didnt mean it like that, i have cod4, im just asking if oblivion is worth it. What do you do in oblivion?

[Nickster]

^^
Think Wow, now take away all the other fucking players, and the turn-based(?) combat. It's a great game, but you should consider getting it on PC for the even fuckload of mods.

You should also check out Morrowind, it mops the floor with oblivion in some ways, such as variety, depth, and more interesting areas, and there alot more skills. But avoid it like the plaque if you're a graphics whore.

And try to abide the passable to cringe-worthy voice acting in Oblivion, its worth it.

[Sven]

It's totally worth it. There's almost an endless amount of questiness in that game. The voice acting may not be that great, but the amount of freedom you have in that game just allows you to simply kill them if you don't like their voice acting. Though you'll have the guards to deal with, if you have certain connections, you can hide for a while and get some people to pull some strings. All around awesome game in my opinion.

[Nick is cool]

What type of weapons can you get?

[Suwagara]

What type of weapons can you get?

Long sword, short sword, dagger, staff, bow, mace, axe, hammer, fists, magic....

[Nickster]

Swords, shortswords, daggers, maces, hammers and standard medieval shit. Each has about 8 or so different things they're made out of. Weapons can wear out though, so you'll have to repair them every once in a while.

Oh, and in vanilla some essential npcs are unkillable, which is bullshit. So when you intall it go into the oblivion.ini file in Mydocuments/my games/Oblivion and turn both these values to zero. Now you can murder that lazy Chancellor Ocato faggot.

bForceReloadOnEssentialCharacterDeath

bEssentialTakeNoDamage

Oh yeah, mod the fuck out of this game.

http://elderscrolls.filefront.com/

[Nick is cool]

This game sounds pretty fucking cool. Thanks guys.

[Kenyan]

Yea, if you get oblivion, get it for pc, the mods make it an even more amazing game. Or, get Mass effect for 360, its kinda like oblivion.


Think Jagged Alliance 2 minus the turn base system, and in space. with a story on par with oblivion.

[Dayve]

You start the game by picking your race. Each race has advantages/disadvantages. For example, Orcs are awesome warriors because they have good strength and a good resistance to magic. Wood elves make good archers because they're small and fast. High elves/Bretons make excellent mages because they are magic-oriented, but both have their own advantages/disadvantages as mages because they differ.

After that, you have to play through a 30 minute dungeon which is basically teaching you how to play the game. Popups, tips and hints. You're in a prison cell, rotting away for some unknown reason. All of a sudden the emperor himself with 3 bodyguards enters your cell. Assassins killed his two sons and he is trying to escape the city. A secret passage leads through your cell, through a dungeon/cave which takes around 30 minutes to get through, a large plot of the story unfolds and then once you exit you're free, the world is yours to do with whatever you like.

You are given a main quest to start the game with, but if you like you can merely find the nearest city/village and begin adventures of your own, or find a cave full of bandits and hack/slash your way through it, looting their corpses as you go. It's a first person sword/sorcery adventure. The graphics are fantastic, the freedom is fantastic you can simply go anywhere you like, the voice acting is terrible but nothing is perfect.

I'd say get it, not on a console though. The vanilla game is fun for only a week or so, after that you really need mods to keep it alive.

[SatanTheSith]

my kdr is low as hell. .6 or something but I voted .7

Oblivion is a game with a sword. The end

[lordfarquad]

I oblivion for the 360. Great game, for a week. But I bet the thousands of mods make it an awesome game on the PC.

The amount of freedom it gives you is unbelievable. When I got out of the dungeon I spent 50 hours without even touching the main quest. I don't think many people have finished every quest either.

My only problem with it was that I feel very alone in the game. There are a bunch of NPCs but they all sound the same lol and have gay ass conversations. I wish it had some sort of co-op thing where a couple of people can get together and go around the world and do quests. Its a pretty big world too, 16 square miles I believe. Oh and the NPCs have no emotion at all lol.

And you can kill anyone, although thats not always a good thing. You can screw up plenty of quests that way, but its not as bad as Morrowind where you can screw up the whole game.

A favorite of mine was sneaking into goblin caves and stealing their totem pole, then go steal another clans totem pole, and place both of them upon a hill or inside of a city. The goblins come out eventually and fight to the death to retrieve their totem pole, or fight the guards.

And you can steal anything, which is a blessing. If you get caught you can either stay in jail, pay a fine, or go to jail and sneak out (very hard). You can even sneak into the place where they keep all the stolen shit and get your stuff back.

But the absolute best part of the game was the assassins guild. Seriously, that was so fucking fun and awesome. The quest where you go into a house, lock the door, and have to kill a bunch of people inside the house without getting them to turn on you, so much fun. You can start fights by saying the other person hates this person, stab them in their sleep, poisen them, or if you can just whip out your sword/axe and battle them all.

So yeah, the flexibility is incredible but short lived. Doesn't take long before everything looks the same. But this game is definitely worth it.

[SatanTheSith]

Lol, I remember when I borrowed it for 360, I walked into a weapons shop and stole a fucking longsword right off the counter with the lady staring at me. Didn't get caught. It was epic lols

[ocpunk37]

What do you do in oblivion?

EVERYTHING....best game ever!
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[SatanTheSith]

Don't you mean SKATE is the best game ever? Ford GT?

[ocpunk37]

haha...i hate you...


...whats your gamertag? lets take this to the streets of iran...iraq? what ever city COD4 takes place

[SatanTheSith]

SatanTheSith, but my xbox live is fucking up right now.

[Alienshroom]

Theres a lot of noob ass weapons in this game.

[Shmoopie]

I have Oblivion for the pc but I have to use Oldblivion to run it. It's still amazing. I have Morrowind too and even though they're my favorite games [besides MT's punch out, tetris, FF, and guitar hero] I don't play them much.. I think if I had them for xbox or whatever I would be addicted.. but I don't have an xbox just a ps2.

[Dayve]

A favorite of mine was sneaking into goblin caves and stealing their totem pole, then go steal another clans totem pole, and place both of them upon a hill or inside of a city. The goblins come out eventually and fight to the death to retrieve their totem pole, or fight the guards.

Actually they don't. That was a myth, and has been proven time and time again to be a myth, just like reviving Aeris in FF7. You can download an unfinished mod that implements that feature, but it isn't finished and not very stable.

I see what you mean about being alone though. NPC's have no emotion and there aren't all that many friendly people to talk to. There were 7 towns i believe, and not more than like 20 people in each, except for the IC which was huge, then again most of the NPC's in cities are just there as filler. They don't talk about anything except the same rumour over and over again.

If only there were half as many interesting friendlies as there were bandits and goblins...

[temp100]

Being an avid fan of RPGs, I say get Oblivion. It's a good game, even if it is fairly overrated.

Pros:
The graphics are great and game is realistic. The lore is comprehensive and the quests are decently varied. The mods add a lot to the game as well. The music is good too, even if Jeremy Soule isn't as good as Michael Hoenig. And there's a lot of freedom. The alchemy, character customisation and stealth systems are good.

Cons:
The levelling system is pretty poor and there's no sense of accomplishment in finding items or levelling... there's no real development. I don't feel the storyline is too comprehensive/immersive. Also, with the compass system, it takes away a lot of the challenge. There's very little strategy involved in the game. The forts/caves/gates etc can become fairly repetitive - but you don't have to explore them... still if you were wanting to, it's annoying. Object manipulation can be annoying. Many of the NPCs lack personality - they're bland. And there are a few bugs.


Like I said, it's a good game, but some of the critical item/levelling flaws really take away from the RPG element, and that's why RPGs like the Baldur's Gate series will always be better. You're more likely to enjoy Oblivion if you're a graphics fan.

[lordfarquad]

Actually they don't. That was a myth, and has been proven time and time again to be a myth, just like reviving Aeris in FF7. You can download an unfinished mod that implements that feature, but it isn't finished and not very stable.

I see what you mean about being alone though. NPC's have no emotion and there aren't all that many friendly people to talk to. There were 7 towns i believe, and not more than like 20 people in each, except for the IC which was huge, then again most of the NPC's in cities are just there as filler. They don't talk about anything except the same rumour over and over again.

If only there were half as many interesting friendlies as there were bandits and goblins...

Are you sure? Because I've done it... and after waiting a shitload of time a couple of goblins come out and attack shit. I'm playing the 360 too

[Dayve]

Being an avid fan of RPGs, I say get Oblivion. It's a good game, even if it is fairly overrated.

Pros:
The graphics are great and game is realistic. The lore is comprehensive and the quests are decently varied. The mods add a lot to the game as well. The music is good too, even if Jeremy Soule isn't as good as Michael Hoenig. And there's a lot of freedom. The alchemy, character customisation and stealth systems are good.

Cons:
The levelling system is pretty poor and there's no sense of accomplishment in finding items or levelling... there's no real development. I don't feel the storyline is too comprehensive/immersive. Also, with the compass system, it takes away a lot of the challenge. There's very little strategy involved in the game. The forts/caves/gates etc can become fairly repetitive - but you don't have to explore them... still if you were wanting to, it's annoying. Object manipulation can be annoying. Many of the NPCs lack personality - they're bland. And there are a few bugs.


Like I said, it's a good game, but some of the critical item/levelling flaws really take away from the RPG element, and that's why RPGs like the Baldur's Gate series will always be better. You're more likely to enjoy Oblivion if you're a graphics fan.

All the ones i put in bold can be fixed with mods.

Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul for the leveling system and leveled loot. When you start the game 9/10 places are off limits because the bad guys there will be too hard to kill, you really have to work your way up. This makes finding an awesome item feel way more rewarding.

There's a mod to remove the arrow from the compass, and also the arrow from the map too, which makes it possible to get lost. This'll bring back the "Where the fuck am i and where do i have to go!?" factor that Morrowind gave.

Item manipulation is a pain in the balls. A mod called "Decorator Assistant" will fix that though. It's basically two spells that you buy from the Mystic Emporium in the Imperial City. One spell summons a small altar where you stand. You drop the item into it, the item becomes stable and moves very slowly. You get a menu of options (rotate x degrees, x axis, etc.) and then there is an option to lock it in place permanently to stop it from flying across the room if you accidentally bump into it. Fantastic little mod, brilliant for books too because we all know they are the worst culprits for it.

As for the crappy storyline and the feeling of lonelyness, they unfortunately can't be fixed. Still, the crappy storyline can be avoided if you so wish, simply complete the rest of the game and leave it til' the very end when you're already starting to get bored of Oblivion. :)

[SatanTheSith]

What if he's getting it for 360? Thats a lot to type if hes getting it for 360.

[temp100]

All the ones i put in bold can be fixed with mods.

Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul for the leveling system and leveled loot. When you start the game 9/10 places are off limits because the bad guys there will be too hard to kill, you really have to work your way up. This makes finding an awesome item feel way more rewarding.

There's a mod to remove the arrow from the compass, and also the arrow from the map too, which makes it possible to get lost. This'll bring back the "Where the fuck am i and where do i have to go!?" factor that Morrowind gave.

Item manipulation is a pain in the balls. A mod called "Decorator Assistant" will fix that though. It's basically two spells that you buy from the Mystic Emporium in the Imperial City. One spell summons a small altar where you stand. You drop the item into it, the item becomes stable and moves very slowly. You get a menu of options (rotate x degrees, x axis, etc.) and then there is an option to lock it in place permanently to stop it from flying across the room if you accidentally bump into it. Fantastic little mod, brilliant for books too because we all know they are the worst culprits for it.

As for the crappy storyline and the feeling of lonelyness, they unfortunately can't be fixed. Still, the crappy storyline can be avoided if you so wish, simply complete the rest of the game and leave it til' the very end when you're already starting to get bored of Oblivion. :)
I've been meaning to try Oscure's Oblivion Overhaul, but I already had about 8 mods installed, so I was worried about compatibility. What does it do for leveled loot, because I think that there should be a chance (however small) of finding an awesome item at any level?

I haven't heard of that Decorator Assistant mod. I had a very similar one that only worked for books and that was pretty good, but still slightly difficult for bigger books. It'd be easier if you could just deposit the books in the bookcase as if it were a chest.

I've heard about the mod which removes the compass - but it's still annoying that your quest log pretty much tells you exactly what to do. There's probably a mod to fix that too.

I have an environment mod, a few house mods, the book placing mod, a Nirnroot mod, Eshme's mod, the guard overhaul mod, a lock bash mod, a water mod and turn off lights mod.

Is Knights of the Nine good? I've beaten Oblivion almost 3 times and have almost finished Shivering Isles.

What if he's getting it for 360? Thats a lot to type if hes getting it for 360.
Haha, good point.

[refoops]

OOO Is compatable with a lot of mods, don't worry, loot is fair, it doesn't 'restrict' any items entirely at any level.

Seriously, your experience will be so much better with OOO, and there was another one.. MMM I think, that introduces like 200+ more monsters in, as well as monster guilds, and lots of new interaction withh animals, they work in packs, AI is improved, etc...

I actually feel bad because you haven't experienced it with OOO.

Here, read this
http://jorgeoscuro.googlepages.com/oscuro'soblivionoverhaulfaq

It should clear up a bit, but if you want, I recommend reading the OOO FAQ, it's long and pretty much goes over EVERYTHING OOO changed, and believe me, it's a whole lot.

[Nickster]

^^^

Oscuro's 1.32 comes with a master file so you can use the MMM for OOO file in Mart's mod and make them compatible. Much rejoicing for all!

Oh, and did anyone else hate the way Dark Elves look? They were made into bitches like the wood elves. What happend to the badass, tattooed, spiky haired, gravelly voiced racist zealots we all know and love from the last game?

Jeremy Soule

I wan't to bone him for his work with Morrowind, KOTOR, Dungeon Siege, and Warhammer 40K.:boink:

[temp100]

^^^

Oscuro's 1.32 comes with a master file so you can use the MMM for OOO file in Mart's mod and make them compatible. Much rejoicing for all!

Oh, and did anyone else hate the way Dark Elves look? They were made into bitches like the wood elves. What happend to the badass, tattooed, spiky haired, gravelly voiced racist zealots we all know and love from the last game?

Sweet, I'll grab those mods at some point.

Dark elves look better with Eshme's mod. :D

[AngelaStar]

I've never tried Oblivion. From reading this thread I'll check it out for my PC (cause of all the mods)

[Nick is cool]

Alright anyone give me advice on.. how to enjoy this game..?


Its fun and all but i cant figure out what to do, the only weapons i have are from killing bandits and shit, i just got to my first town and everytime i try to kill somebody the guards go apeshit on me. Can anyone help me figure out how to get good weapons or find good things to kill or anything. I got it for xbox btw.

[Rick Derris]

I have it for 360, and I can't tear my away from it most nights.

But, weapons are leveled, so you won't find anything good until about level 10-12. You're best off now with a steel claymore if you can find it, then you'll eventually find elven and dwarven weapons at level 10 or so, then glass weapons at about level 17 or so. At about level 20, you'll start to find daedric weapons and armor. It goes on and on.

If you need a good guide to anything Elder Scrolls related, this is your bible http://www.uesp.net

[evilmittens]

My class in oblivion was "serial killer"

[Nick is cool]

I have it for 360, and I can't tear my away from it most nights.

But, weapons are leveled, so you won't find anything good until about level 10-12. You're best off now with a steel claymore if you can find it, then you'll eventually find elven and dwarven weapons at level 10 or so, then glass weapons at about level 17 or so. At about level 20, you'll start to find daedric weapons and armor. It goes on and on.

If you need a good guide to anything Elder Scrolls related, this is your bible http://www.uesp.net




Any tips on where i should go to? Im using a steel sword cause one of the guards in the tutorial got killed and its really good but its hard not having a shield..

And is magic and sleeping the only way i can heal?

[evilmittens]

Any tips on where i should go to? Im using a steel sword cause one of the guards in the tutorial got killed and its really good but its hard not having a shield..

And is magic and sleeping the only way i can heal?

For now yeah, though later on you can try to enchant a sword to have a healing effect on you. I started off by going to the arena and becoming a gladiator (note, you cannot take weapons off of them), then after awhile I started doing some quests, I wanted a home so that was my first priority. Saving money and doing quests to buy a home...

So, where to start? What do you want to do? Kick ass, then start fighting and building your skills (maybe start with the fighters guild stuff. Ubemage? Then the Mages guild.

[puppetmasterjjk]

^^^ I believe you can purchase health potions in the imperial city.

And pretty much every city/town.

[Nick is cool]

For now yeah, though later on you can try to enchant a sword to have a healing effect on you. I started off by going to the arena and becoming a gladiator (note, you cannot take weapons off of them), then after awhile I started doing some quests, I wanted a home so that was my first priority. Saving money and doing quests to buy a home...

So, where to start? What do you want to do? Kick ass, then start fighting and building your skills (maybe start with the fighters guild stuff. Ubemage? Then the Mages guild.



Wheres the fighters guild?


Im ready to kill some new stuff, im sick of bandits and mud crabs and shit.


edit- is there any person in the game that you can actually kill? or anything that you can steal? god im getting pissed off everytime i touch something the guards kill the shit out of me.. i thought you guys said you can kill townspeople?

[Shmoopie]

Well use a little common sense. You can go out there in real life and kill a cop or innocent city folk.. but then wtf is next? A giant man hunt and as soon as you're caught your ass gets beaten/killed/thrown in jail.

Same as oblivion mostly. Dumbass

[PsiRedEye22]

Except if a cop turns his head, he will probably hear the subtle gargles of a townsperson choking on his own blood from a knife to the neck. This is not so in Oblivion.

[Nick is cool]

Well use a little common sense. You can go out there in real life and kill a cop or innocent city folk.. but then wtf is next? A giant man hunt and as soon as you're caught your ass gets beaten/killed/thrown in jail.

Same as oblivion mostly. Dumbass



I had numerous people tell me that i could kill practically anyone, and in the game i cant throw a punch without having the guards there in a split second. I was just wondering



Except if a cop turns his head, he will probably hear the subtle gargles of a townsperson choking on his own blood from a knife to the neck. This is not so in Oblivion.



Exactly, in oblivion the guards have super hearing powers so that you can silently murder someone in a building and they will hear you and then use their super track star sprinting powers to arrest your ass in a split second.


Anyone wana redirect me to the fighters guild? it sucks being such a noob

[evilmittens]

Well for one, I do kill towns people now, but I am pretty fucking powerful. Maybe 4 hits on a guard.

Fighters guild quest start in Anvil (west coast). On your way there you can stop at the priory and start the main quest if you wish. Its on the way.

[Shmoopie]

I had numerous people tell me that i could kill practically anyone, and in the game i cant throw a punch without having the guards there in a split second. I was just wondering







Exactly, in oblivion the guards have super hearing powers so that you can silently murder someone in a building and they will hear you and then use their super track star sprinting powers to arrest your ass in a split second.


Anyone wana redirect me to the fighters guild? it sucks being such a noob


Shit well I know you can kill somebody if they instigate it. You can kill thieves, people in caves and shit that aren't part of a city, etc all without the guards on your ass. I totally knew what you meant, I was just being a smartass. I'll look it up.. maybe there's a site that lists who you can kill.

edit:found this

Hints

* Having trouble committing murder? Try one of these suggested marks:

* Ilend Vonius, whom you meet right after you enter Oblivion in Breaking the Siege of Kvatch. You can't be caught murdering him, and he tends to die before you close the Oblivion Gate anyway.
* Arnora Auria - one of the thieves in the Two Sides of the Coin quest in Bruma becomes a "mark" when Jorundr asks you to kill her for him. You must attack her first, it doesn't work if she attacks you, so don't confront her with Jorundr's request. Waiting outside her house 'til about 1:30 should do the trick; you can just kill her while she sleeps.
* Completing The Gray Prince Quest (Arena Guild) and killing Agronak gro-Malog in the Grand Championship Match will attract the attention of the Dark Brotherhood (you killed him in cold blood). Although you have to fight your way through the Arena AND complete the Gray Prince Quest first. However, there is a glitch where you may attain a murder bounty of 1000 septims when killing the Gray Prince.
* Your Adoring Fan - One of the easiest bounty-free murders by far if you've completed the Arena quests without completing the Origin of the Gray Prince quest. He's quite easy to kill, he's not involved in any quests, and, if you're that upset about killing him, he respawns again at the Arena in about 3 in-game days.
* Complete the Mephala quest - you will receive a quest to murder two people (you must be level 15+).
* The Skooma Den in Bravil - The four inhabitants can be easily killed with one strike while they sleep, without their sleeping neighbors waking up. They don't add much to the game, so taking out one won't hurt much. As a little bonus every inhabitant has some skooma with him; at least twenty bottles that won't be marked as stolen (several hundred gold total). You can immediately use a bed here to sleep and be visited by Lucien Lachance. The only drawback is that the Skooma Den is locked with a hard lock the whole day.
* The Cheydinhal Chapel Undercroft Guard - After completing the Thieves' Guild quest The Elven Maiden, you can kill the guard in the Chapel Undercroft and take her set of chainmail armor. For more information, see The Elven Maiden Notes.
* Glarthir - During the Paranoia quest in Skingrad, refuse to murder the people on his List of Death. He will then resolve to murder them himself. Kill him while you are both still standing behind the chapel, so there is almost no chance of attracting a bounty.
* Faustina Cartia - leader of the all-female gang in The Siren's Deception quest in Anvil attacks you in a far-off farmhouse. After killing the rest of the gang, the Watch enters and excuses you for having killed her since you were part of their sting operation. You get no bounty, clear off another quest, and get noticed by the Dark Brotherhood all at the same time.
* K'Sharr during The Stone of St. Alessia- After talking to Cirroc, follow the bandits. K'Sharr is the only one left. After talking to him a second time, he will tell you to leave him alone. He is a very easy kill and you will not receive a bounty.
* Falcar - the mage with the Colossal Black Soul Gem in Silorn can be killed as an innocent if you find him in the ruins, hide and wait for him to calm down, and then stealth attack him.
* Odiil Brothers: During the goblin attacks in The Killing Field quest, you can kill one of the Odiil brothers (Antus or Rallus), and the goblins will be blamed. Your quest reward will be less, but at least you got a bounty-free mark.
* Honditar, an Altmer who lives in a shack west of the North Country Stables which is south of Chorrol, is always an easy kill. Even at level one, as long as you do not let him kill you, he is easy to put down, and because of the location of his house, it will never be counted as murder. However, he is only there at night. During the day he is in Chorrol. Note, however, he is an advanced trainer in athletics.
* Another good choice is to kill the people who become Mythic Dawn agents before that particular quest is activated. Tanasa Arano and Tolisi Girith are both servants and Riverview in Cheydinhal, and they will become Mythic Dawn agents and attack you later on.
* Wilhelm The Worm: Wilhelm is not related to any questline and provides no services throughout the game. And because Wilhelm lives in the warehouse just outside Anvil near the ships you can approach and murder him in his sleep. He is not a strong character either, so it is quite easy to take him out. His bedroom is upstairs in the left corner. Be sure to kill him in two or more swings however, because if you kill him instantly he will be dead by the time he realizes you attacked him and if he is not aware then neither is the Brotherhood.
* Aelwin Merowald - He is a fisherman who lives in Weye, just outside the west entrance to the Imperial City. Do the quest he gives first and after you finish it, just kill him with a sneak attack. Not only will you gain the reward from his quest, but you will also get the invite to the Dark Brotherhood. As an added 'flavor', you can loot his dead corpse for a key that opens a chest in his house, and steal his life savings. Now that's evil!
* Earana, is also a particularly good choice if you have completed her associated quest. If you did not give her the book she wanted, she will just mope around Chorrol being rude to you whenever you try to speak to her. She spends her time near the Chorrol oak tree, the statue, and upstairs at The Grey Mare.

* During the Mages Guild quest Information at a Price, it is possible to kill the Vampire hunters while they are sleeping at the Two Sisters Lodge without causing a bounty.

* A great place to make a kill, not get caught, and sleep all in one place is the Abandoned Shack, near the shore at the Imperial City Waterfront. Make sure that the person you kill is not a beggar if you are in the Thieves Guild as this will get you thrown out.
* You can sometimes get away with a kill in a small village with a spell that damages on touch.
* Try walking on random paths outside of cities. There are normally some drifters who make easy targets.
* Killing unnamed guards may be the best option for someone who does not want to risk affecting an unrelated quest or who already has a bounty on their heads.
* Killing an Orc Adventurer also counts as murder. As they are two levels below the player and always encountered in remote locations they make good victims.
* Some enemy NPCs will try to talk to the hero before attacking (e.g. Umbra). If you kill them with sneak attacks before they speak to you, this may be considered as murder and trigger an invitation without gaining a bounty.
* If you don't want to gain the Infamy for the Dark Brotherhood quests, you can use the Gray Cowl of Nocturnal when you report back to the mission giver and your Gray Fox alter-ego will gain the Infamy instead. When you do the Dead Drop quests, make sure you are wearing the Cowl BEFORE you kill the person and finish the quest.
* Dorian is a Redguard citizen of the Talos Plaza District. He is a excellent target in that you don't lose any services or quest options, get a bed to sleep in right after, and if you are lucky enough to not have installed the current patches, you may take advantage of his infinite gold glitch by continuously looting gold from his corpse until you have however much you want, ranging into the tens of thousands if you wish.
* The few beggars each city in Cyrodiil includes make great marks so long as you are not simultaneously a part of the Thieves Guild, in which case you will be expelled and have to pay up about a thousand gold to return. They are mostly useless, annoying, and very easy to kill in that they sleep out in the open without locked doors, do not wear armor, are not armed and will not fight back with any effectiveness.
* Residents of Hackdirt make excellent targets for murder that you want to get away with. Just sneak into the town at night and kill one of them- it doesnt hurt your game much, they add little.
* Lazare Milvan is a wealthy Breton nobleman in Skingrad. However, for one reason or another he is entirely irrelevant. No quests seem to involve him, he doesn't offer any services, and finally even the dialogue he provides does not reach normal character levels, there is no rumors discussion with him, for example.
* On the PC, you can still enter the Dark Brotherhood even if you killed Lucien when you first encountered him. You will need to use the following console commmands:
o player.setstage Dark01Knife 20
o prid 25001
o kill
o player.setstage Dark01Knife 100
o player.additem B258 1

You can then enter the Cheydinhal sanctuary and talk to Ocheeva to complete the quest as usual.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Dark_Brotherhood

[puppetmasterjjk]

You can murder homeless people behind the shops on the docks at anvil, that's always the place I go when joining the brotherhood.

[Nick is cool]

Nice.. now im gonna talk to some of those people and if they say the wrong thing to me they are done.




Aight, one last question and i should be good.. where is the fighters guild?

[puppetmasterjjk]

Nice.. now im gonna talk to some of those people and if they say the wrong thing to me they are done.




Aight, one last question and i should be good.. where is the fighters guild?

Right across the street from the main gate of Anvil, in the southwest.

It is right next to the mages guild, which you can join also.

You might want to take all of the stuff you can from the mages guild once you join, then you can sell it.

Make sure you don't take the stuff that shows up red, they will kick you out.

[Nick is cool]

Right across the street from the main gate of Anvil, in the southwest.

It is right next to the mages guild, which you can join also.

You might want to take all of the stuff you can from the mages guild once you join, then you can sell it.

Make sure you don't take the stuff that shows up red, they will kick you out.





Aight thanks, im starting to get the hang of the game, i joined the dark brotherhood.